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In reply to KaiBear • 1:08p, 1/20/24
I reject your rules, Kai.

First off, the adults in the room understand this is not a simple situation. Like Whiskey Pete, I support DeSantis, but like him and others I recognize Trump right now has command of the primary race and leading in most polls against Biden, making Trump relevant to any discussion.

Second, the clearly partisan nature of the Lawfare being waged against Trump will certainly be taken into consideration by the appellate courts, so no conviction will be enforced prior to the general election in November. Further, polls have consistently shown that most voters not psychopathically committed to Biden consider the legal attacks on Trump to be political, and this is a big part of Trump's support among Independents. There is no reason to believe that support will evaporate just because the cases produce predicted verdicts.

The sound course for voters, in my opinion and others, is to support your preferred candidate in the primaries, and to vote for the GOP nominee in the November election. Anything else is morally dishonest.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 1:17p, 1/20/24
Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.

As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.


I invite you to post evidence in support of your position, but as we all know you have difficulty backing up your bull**** and would just rather yell at the clouds.
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In reply to Whiskey Pete • 1:21p, 1/20/24
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KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
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Whiskey Pete said:
ATL Bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
FLBear5630 said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.

As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.

Let's cut to the chase.


Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?

That Donald Trump can WIN back the White House ?

One word answers.

Mine is ' no '.
Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.

If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? The two are not related. If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. Biden is the worst President in history. It is not an either/or until November.
What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.

If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.

And I'm a DeSantis guy.
You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle.
Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.

I've never said anything about "uniparty"
Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around.

And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to.

Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.


Dummy


If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump

Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?

And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.


But nominate Trump irregardless ?

That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.

But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.

And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.

So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .

I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.

Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.

This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.

You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.

By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.


And of course dummy you again ignore my point.

Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.

If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general

Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.

This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .

That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .

Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.




FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.

Land in 80 minutes .
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In reply to Mothra • 1:22p, 1/20/24
Mothra said:
Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.

As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.


I invite you to post evidence in support of your position, but as we all know you have difficulty backing up your bull**** and would just rather yell at the clouds.
Actually, what we all know is that I use reason and evidence all the time. I stopped with you because you resorted to personal insults like that one to ignore the facts.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 1:40p, 1/20/24
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Mothra said:
Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.

As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.


I invite you to post evidence in support of your position, but as we all know you have difficulty backing up your bull**** and would just rather yell at the clouds.
Actually, what we all know is that I use reason and evidence all the time. I stopped with you because you resorted to personal insults like that one to ignore the facts.


You might be the least self aware poster on these boards. You regularly personally attack others and most of your posts are conclusory in nature - with little to no evidence to support same. This thread is a perfect example. You attacked me personally when I posted a number of polls that disagreed with your assumptions, and then when you were invited to cite some evidence to support your positions you failed and refused to do so.

You're the proverbial old man who yells at the clouds on these boards. It's rare when you make a cogent argument.

I'll vote for trump over the alternative but the idea there is some general consensus that he's the best candidate to beat Biden is complete and total horse ***** Pretty much all of the evidence suggests otherwise.
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In reply to Mothra • 1:56p, 1/20/24
More personal attacks. All you got, then.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:20p, 1/20/24
SMH. Saying your personally attack others is a personal attack.

Oy vey.
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In reply to Mothra • 2:37p, 1/20/24
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SMH. Saying your personally attack others is a personal attack.

Oy vey.


Look at your last several posts, you literally cannot post without the same tired, stale 'old man yells at clouds' lie.

Ironic in particular since you are the angry one here, mad just because Trump still leads in most of the polls, and you blow up whenever someone mentions it, even forgetting that I and others support non-Trump candidates: we just won't ignore Reality because our guy is losing.
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In reply to KaiBear • 3:50p, 1/20/24
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
ATL Bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
ATL Bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
FLBear5630 said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.

As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.

Let's cut to the chase.


Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?

That Donald Trump can WIN back the White House ?

One word answers.

Mine is ' no '.
Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.

If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? The two are not related. If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. Biden is the worst President in history. It is not an either/or until November.
What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.

If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.

And I'm a DeSantis guy.
You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle.
Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.

I've never said anything about "uniparty"
Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around.

And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to.

Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.


Dummy


If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump

Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?

And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.


But nominate Trump irregardless ?

That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.

But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.

And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.

So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .

I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.

Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.

This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.

You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.

By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.


And of course dummy you again ignore my point.

Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.

If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general

Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.

This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .

That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .

Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.




FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.

Land in 80 minutes .
You fail to see my point, or perhaps you're mentally not capable of comprehension, which is more likely.

You continue to try and argue the same crap over and over and over that has zero to do with my original point.

YOU CAN'T ONLY BLAME ONLY TRUMPERS FOR GIVING BIDEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT BLAME NEVER TRUMPERS TOO.

It's not hard to understand, except for you. You're a fool and have **** for brains.

FYI, I've had people on ignore for quite some time and it has never timed out.
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In reply to Whiskey Pete • 5:09p, 1/20/24
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
ATL Bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
ATL Bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
FLBear5630 said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.

As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.

Let's cut to the chase.


Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?

That Donald Trump can WIN back the White House ?

One word answers.

Mine is ' no '.
Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.

If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? The two are not related. If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. Biden is the worst President in history. It is not an either/or until November.
What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.

If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.

And I'm a DeSantis guy.
You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle.
Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.

I've never said anything about "uniparty"
Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around.

And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to.

Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.


Dummy


If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump

Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?

And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.


But nominate Trump irregardless ?

That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.

But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.

And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.

So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .

I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.

Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.

This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.

You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.

By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.


And of course dummy you again ignore my point.

Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.

If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general

Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.

This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .

That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .

Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.




FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.

Land in 80 minutes .
You fail to see my point, or perhaps you're mentally not capable of comprehension, which is more likely.

You continue to try and argue the same crap over and over and over that has zero to do with my original point.

YOU CAN'T ONLY BLAME ONLY TRUMPERS FOR GIVING BIDEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT BLAME NEVER TRUMPERS TOO.

It's not hard to understand, except for you. You're a fool and have **** for brains.

FYI, I've had people on ignore for quite some time and it has never timed out.
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 5:27p, 1/20/24
Sam Lowry said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
ATL Bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
ATL Bear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
FLBear5630 said:
Whiskey Pete said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
I'm glad you are having fun, Mothra. But you continue to cherry-pick polls, and that won't go where you seem to think.

As for your last line, it would be nice if you started listening, but I won't hold my breath.
Good grief man; forget this ' poll game '.

Let's cut to the chase.


Do you predict Trump is going to receive enough votes from women, minorites, and independents to overcome his possible convictions on multiple indictments regarding both state and federal charges ?

That Donald Trump can WIN back the White House ?

One word answers.

Mine is ' no '.
Yep, the Never Trumpers (like yourself) won't check their emotions at the door, apply a little logic and just let Biden waltz right back into the White House.

If you want to blame those voting for Trump in the primary, then you need to blame yourself for not voting for Trump in the general.
What is it with you and this if you don't love Trump you are pro-Biden??? The two are not related. If on November 1st we are in that position, than it is a decision to make. To say in January not supporting Trump is giving Biden the WH is ridiculous. My dislike of Trump has NOTHING to do with Biden. Biden is the worst President in history. It is not an either/or until November.
What is it with? Well, genius, my beef is with people who sit on their high horse and try to blame people for voting for Trump in the primary, but refuse to accept any blame for they themselves not voting for Trump in the general.

If you don't want to vote for Trump, then don't, but don't pretend it's only Trump supporters that are too blame and none of it falls on the Never Trumpers.

And I'm a DeSantis guy.
You openly blame people voting for Biden. Why shouldn't the Trump voters get the same scrutiny? And for all the "uniparty" "swamp" fist pounding, it's odd to see the criticisms being leveled at those that would actually be voting against that cycle.
Never once did I say the Trump voters wouldn't be to blame. I have said, more than once, that the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers.

I've never said anything about "uniparty"
Apologies if you didn't say uniparty, but a lot of the Trump lot fling that around.

And make no mistake, Donald Trump, not any voters, are to blame. Bad candidates are bad candidates and he chose to run when he didn't have to.

Yes, Trump is a brash ******* who has no filter and invites chaos. The guy can't even pick and choose his battles. He gives the democrats and media too much ammunition and frankly his last go 'round was very tiresome to watch. But is sure was a hell of a lot better than the ****show we've had the past 3 years.


Dummy


If you as a registered Republican have such an opinion of Trump

Just what in the hell makes you think INDEPENDENTS are going to vote for Trump in the numbers required for him to overcome the Dems numerical advantage?

And if it's obvious Trump can't get those independent voters, he is going to lose.


But nominate Trump irregardless ?

That's NOT on MAGA voters . Hell many just love his free comedy routine. They can't understand why the ready of the country is tired of their fat freak.

But party leadership is supposed to LEAD.

And the Republican hierarchy has abandoned that function.

So they are going ( apparently willingly ) to ensure the election of the Dems with all the chaos and hell that will result .

I'm not a registered Republican, dumb-ass.

Holy ****, you really are about as bright as a broken light bulb. You keep arguing points I'm not even trying to make.

This post of yours shows me that you comprehension skills are along the same lines as Biden. Where the in **** did I say you should nominate Trump? Holy cow, you really are an idiot.

You're not a fool, but a clown and an idiot.

By the way, I though you put me on ignore. Couldn't help yourself, I see.


And of course dummy you again ignore my point.

Because you realize the answer negates your whole jr high thought process.

If Trump can't win the majority of independent voters he loses the general

Irregardless on how much ' responsibility' you are attempting to put on Republican primary voters.

This reality involving independents has been understood since day one. And yet Republican leadership has still allowed Trumps campaign to progress .

That's on them. Republican power brokers are the ones who are supposed to comprehend the realities of national politics .

Not MAGA voters who can't see beyond their infatuation with the orange haired guy.




FYI ' ignore' eventually times out . And after you addressed a couple of inane posts to me I decided to kill some time on this flight to Fort Lauderdale.

Land in 80 minutes .
You fail to see my point, or perhaps you're mentally not capable of comprehension, which is more likely.

You continue to try and argue the same crap over and over and over that has zero to do with my original point.

YOU CAN'T ONLY BLAME ONLY TRUMPERS FOR GIVING BIDEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT BLAME NEVER TRUMPERS TOO.

It's not hard to understand, except for you. You're a fool and have **** for brains.

FYI, I've had people on ignore for quite some time and it has never timed out.
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
establishment politics is entirely to blame. Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency.

Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
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Sam Lowry said:

MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
establishment politics is entirely to blame. %A0Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. %A0People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. %A0To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. %A0Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency. %A0

Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. %A0Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
MAGA voters rejected politics as usual in 2016. They didn't actually step outside the system until 1/6/21. There's no reason they couldn't go with DeSantis in 2024 except for the personality cult.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 5:54p, 1/20/24
Sam Lowry said:
4th and Inches said:
Sam Lowry said:

MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
establishment politics is entirely to blame. %A0Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. %A0People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. %A0To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. %A0Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency. %A0

Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. %A0Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
MAGA voters rejected politics as usual in 2016. They didn't actually step outside the system until 1/6/21. There's no reason they couldn't go with DeSantis in 2024 except for the personality cult.
Desantis performed like a screen door on a submarine. Thats on him, his message didnt resonate so people gravitated back to something that worked previously.
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MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 6:43p, 1/20/24
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Sam Lowry said:
4th and Inches said:
Sam Lowry said:

MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
establishment politics is entirely to blame. %A0Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. %A0People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. %A0To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. %A0Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency. %A0

Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. %A0Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
MAGA voters rejected politics as usual in 2016. They didn't actually step outside the system until 1/6/21. There's no reason they couldn't go with DeSantis in 2024 except for the personality cult.
Desantis performed like a screen door on a submarine. Thats on him, his message didnt resonate so people gravitated back to something that worked previously.
I'm still voting DeSantis, but I can't say that I haven't been disappointed with his campaign.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 6:48p, 1/20/24
Sam Lowry said:
4th and Inches said:
Sam Lowry said:

MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
establishment politics is entirely to blame. %A0Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. %A0People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. %A0To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. %A0Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency. %A0

Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. %A0Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
MAGA voters rejected politics as usual in 2016. They didn't actually step outside the system until 1/6/21. There's no reason they couldn't go with DeSantis in 2024 except for the personality cult.


It is the reality TV crowd that love Trump. Think the real world is a TV show, it is funny. Sad.
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Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
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KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I want DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.
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8:17p, 1/20/24
Trump doesn't need my vote to win. He needs the votes of people he used to attract but no longer does.

Trump isn't an outsider or a swamp drainer. He's like the Burmese Python in the Everglades. A new apex predator competing for his own dominance and benefit. His talent has been to use his emotional approach to get people emotionally invested in him and distracted from who and what he is. It's a bizarre loyalty built on countering anything not Trump (friend or foe). Trumpers will roast Nikki Hailey for her service on Boeing's Board and consulting gigs, but Trump made 10x more getting favorable debt restructure terms thanks to JP Morgan and political insider relationships not much more than a year after leaving office. He got more cash after leaving office, while under the threat of indictment, and in the middle of rising rates, post COVID economy, inflationary Biden-nomics, etc.

This cult of personality seems to wash away so many failings with the only defense being "the other guy really sucks!" Time to stop being binary. They both can be bad even if for differing reasons.
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ATL Bear said:
Trump doesn't need my vote to win. He needs the votes of people he used to attract but no longer does.

Trump isn't an outsider or a swamp drainer. He's like the Burmese Python in the Everglades. A new apex predator competing for his own dominance and benefit. His talent has been to use his emotional approach to get people emotionally invested in him and distracted from who and what he is. It's a bizarre loyalty built on countering anything not Trump (friend or foe). Trumpers will roast Nikki Hailey for her service on Boeing's Board and consulting gigs, but Trump made 10x more getting favorable debt restructure terms thanks to JP Morgan and political insider relationships not much more than a year after leaving office. He got more cash after leaving office, while under the threat of indictment, and in the middle of rising rates, post COVID economy, inflationary Biden-nomics, etc.

This cult of personality seems to wash away so many failings with the only defense being "the other guy really sucks!" Time to stop being binary. They both can be bad even if for differing reasons.


You nailed it.
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In reply to KaiBear • 8:29p, 1/20/24
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
You can't comprehend jack *****

You keep bringing up Republicans. I haven't talked about Republicans. I've talked about Only Trumpers and Never Trumpers. I haven't said anyone is "obligated" to vote for Trump.

My point is once again... you can't blame only blame those that voted for Trump in the primary and not blame those who didn't vote for him in the general.

So, it's simple, you don't have to vote for Trump. But if you don't, you'll share the blame just like you love to cast onto those that vote for Trump in the primary.

You keep trying to argue a point that is completely different. Wow, dude, you're a ****ing moron.

The MAGA crowd will be to blame. Trump will be to blame. The Never MAGA crowd will also be to blame (that includes YOU).

Now, why can't you get that through your thick head?
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In reply to Whiskey Pete • 8:34p, 1/20/24
Whiskey Pete (to the Hate-Trump crowd)

"Now, why can't you get that through your thick head?"

Because for them, they must hate Trump more than loving their country.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 8:41p, 1/20/24
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

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In reply to KaiBear • 8:46p, 1/20/24
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

Only the sane believe Trump can win.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 8:51p, 1/20/24
Oldbear83 said:
Whiskey Pete (to the Hate-Trump crowd)

"Now, why can't you get that through your thick head?"

Because for them, they must hate Trump more than loving their country.
Yep. The Never Trumpers are just as bad as the Nobody But Trumpers.

If DeSantis was the GOP nominee and lost to Biden, Kai would be blaming "the idiots that didn't vote for DeSantis" in the general election. He'd waste zero time calling out those awful MAGAs for not voting for Ron D.
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Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

Only the sane believe Trump can win.


Anyone 'can' win.

Stop straddling the fence .

Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?

Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?

Not a chance.




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KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

Only the sane believe Trump can win.


Anyone 'can' win.

Stop straddling the fence .

Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?

Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?

Not a chance.




The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.

Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact.

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Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

Only the sane believe Trump can win.


Anyone 'can' win.

Stop straddling the fence .

Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?

Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?

Not a chance.




The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.

Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact.





I am going on record that Trump will lose. And just as an added caveat I say he will lose worse than he did in 2020.

So come on

Make your call. Trump wins the general or not ?
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4th and Inches said:
Sam Lowry said:
4th and Inches said:
Sam Lowry said:

MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
establishment politics is entirely to blame. %A0Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. %A0People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. %A0To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. %A0Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency. %A0

Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. %A0Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
MAGA voters rejected politics as usual in 2016. They didn't actually step outside the system until 1/6/21. There's no reason they couldn't go with DeSantis in 2024 except for the personality cult.
Desantis performed like a screen door on a submarine. Thats on him, his message didnt resonate so people gravitated back to something that worked previously.
Is his message all that different from Trump's? If you mean his personality didn't resonate, sure. Seems like reasonable voters could get past that, though.
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KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

Only the sane believe Trump can win.


Anyone 'can' win.

Stop straddling the fence .

Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?

Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?

Not a chance.




The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.

Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact.





I am going on record that Trump will lose. And just as an added caveat I say he will lose worse than he did in 2020.

So come on

Make your call. Trump wins the general or not ?
Just read what I already posted. Lord knows I have been clear.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 10:42p, 1/20/24
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KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
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MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

Only the sane believe Trump can win.


Anyone 'can' win.

Stop straddling the fence .

Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?

Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?

Not a chance.




The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.

Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact.





I am going on record that Trump will lose. And just as an added caveat I say he will lose worse than he did in 2020.

So come on

Make your call. Trump wins the general or not ?
Just read what I already posted. Lord knows I have been clear.


A total non answer .

Instead of a simple yes or no I am required to dig up your old comments and analyze them.

Talk about arrogance.
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In reply to KaiBear • 10:57p, 1/20/24
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.

Now he is under indictment for various state and federal crimes. In some cases multi counts. Think it doesn't matter to non fanatics ?



LOL good grief what if Trump catches a conviction before Election Day ? Even on a single count of a single indictment ?

How can anyone really believe Trump will still win ?

It's ludicrous.

Only the sane believe Trump can win.


Anyone 'can' win.

Stop straddling the fence .

Is Trump going to win the general election if he is the nominee …..,yes or no ?

Despite indictments, despite a potential conviction, despite an uncanny compulsion to say politically self destructive things ?

Not a chance.




The polls have generally been right except for 2016. They consistently show Trump winning if he gets the nomination.

Hard to understand why you cannot accept that fact.





I am going on record that Trump will lose. And just as an added caveat I say he will lose worse than he did in 2020.

So come on

Make your call. Trump wins the general or not ?
Just read what I already posted. Lord knows I have been clear.


A total non answer .

Instead of a simple yes or no I am required to dig up your old comments and analyze them.

Talk about arrogance.
Actually, I gave you a clear answer. The arrogance comes from demanding I say things in the way you want, and refusing to accept a plain response that does not please you.
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In reply to KaiBear • 11:21p, 1/20/24
KaiBear said:

Make your call. Trump wins the general or not ?


Hard to make such a call when there is a lot that is unknown.

Who is his VP choice?

Will he be running against Biden? Harris? Big Mike?

How will RFK poll and perform in a three way race?
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In reply to KaiBear • 12:01a, 1/21/24
KaiBear said:
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Whiskey Pete said:
Quote:
MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
Never Trumpers to blame as well if Biden walks back into the White House.

If you stay and don't vote in the general, then those folks can shut their ass and stop complaining about a Biden White House when their inability to check their emotions at the door contributed to Dementia Joe strolling right back into the Oval Office


LOL

You just can not comprehend the most basic realities.

If all republicans are somehow obligated to vote for Trump in the general.

Then by your logic all Democrats would be obligated to vote for Biden.

So Trump loses.

As there are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans.

So to stand any chance of winning Trump has to garner a significant majority of the votes of independents.
Which he obviously can't.

But the MAGA crowd is going to nominate him anyway.
Then blame others when Trump loses still again.

Now exactly what part of this can you not get through your prepubescent brain ?
Another argument which depends heavily on insults and arrogance, while ignoring the point.

So let's try this again:

Trump may win or he may lose in November if he wins the GOP nomination, but the polls have constantly shown he has support among Independents, he absolutely can win.

{ should not have to do this, but because any defense of Trump is considered evidence of somehow wanting Trump to win the nomination - I was DESANTIS to win the nomination, but this is about the BS by the people working hard for Biden by lying about the facts}

Roughly seventy million people voted for Trump in 2020, so pretending he doesn't have a lot of support is a stupid lie. The polls have shown Trump in front not only of his GOP opponents but also Biden for a long time now, and he seems to be gaining among minorities and independents. We can argue about why this is happening, but it's dumb to pretend it's not happening.



Trump lost in 2020 by millions of votes.


tell me you dont know how presidential elections work without telling me you dont know how presidential elections work..
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4th and Inches said:
Sam Lowry said:
4th and Inches said:
Sam Lowry said:

MAGA voters are entirely to blame. Trump is unqualified for the office. By nominating him, they will have left conservatives with no legitimate choice but to stay home.
establishment politics is entirely to blame. %A0Figure it out, MAGA voters told yall enough was enough and stepped outside the system because it wasnt working for them. Trump was an outsider in 2016.. Ramswamy who is an absolute nobody got 8%. %A0People should look at that.. a huge voting block hates the direction of the country, you have to have them to win. %A0To pull the MAGA voter back from Trump to alternative canidates, you have to ask them what they want and come up with a plan to solve it. %A0Trump is picking up people who are not doing well now but were during his presidency. %A0

Had Biden been status quo, Trump would be out. Had Biden been effective, Trump would be out. Because Biden is an absolute disaster, Trump is in. %A0Because GOP hasnt learned any lessons since 2008, It has set itself up for failure again. MAGA isnt at fault, lack of a message the resonates with all the GOP is at fault. When the main part of your voting base is displeased, do something different.
MAGA voters rejected politics as usual in 2016. They didn't actually step outside the system until 1/6/21. There's no reason they couldn't go with DeSantis in 2024 except for the personality cult.
Desantis performed like a screen door on a submarine. Thats on him, his message didnt resonate so people gravitated back to something that worked previously.
Is his message all that different from Trump's? If you mean his personality didn't resonate, sure. Seems like reasonable voters could get past that, though.
lol, of the 160 million voters in the last election, how many of them are "reasonable" voters? Recent elections are all about feelings and that isnt reasonable when picking a president yet here we are
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