Well Trump is not blame on the Infrastructure Act, for More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History, for Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans, and Ending our Failed Approach to Marijuana.4th and Inches said:go ahead and finish the rebuttal so I can fully understand how everything is Trumps fault.Waco1947 said:4th and Inches said:chapter 1: blame what I do on others Which Trump is doing. He is blaming his confusion (I am being generous. He really knows what he's doing) on ,laWaco1947 said:
Trump and you are making it about identity politics.
I see you have been reading..
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— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) August 2, 2024
historian said:
Infrastructure Act was a wasteful boondoggle. Your proof please
More people working? Maybe more illegal aliens.Ending our Failed Approach to Marijuana
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Many Americans are having trouble making ends meet because they can't get jobs or are not paid enough to keep up with Bidenflation. Red herring because it does not go to the argument "More people working
Those are readings to vote for Trump and against Biden / Harris. In fact, everything in Biden's record gives sane people reasons to vote for Trump & against the fascists. Are we socialists or fascists?
boognish_bear said:Kyle Rittenhouse took the support of MAGA and Donald Trump but now is completely turning on him to “write in” a candidate in 2024.
— Joey Mannarino (@JoeyMannarinoUS) August 2, 2024
After all the movement did for him?
Absolutely disgusted with this kid. pic.twitter.com/ITNLN7OwwL
BREAKING: PA Supreme Court orders review of death of Ellen Greenberg case that Josh Shapiro ruled a suicide after she was stabbed 20 times in the chest and backhttps://t.co/CNKEfCsxi3https://t.co/CNKEfCsxi3
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 1, 2024
Sounds very Clintonian.Doc Holliday said:BREAKING: PA Supreme Court orders review of death of Ellen Greenberg case that Josh Shapiro ruled a suicide after she was stabbed 20 times in the chest and backhttps://t.co/CNKEfCsxi3https://t.co/CNKEfCsxi3
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 1, 2024
He likes to label dems as "fascists" when in reality the dems are neo Bolsheviks that want to do a red revolution on America.Waco1947 said:historian said:
Infrastructure Act was a wasteful boondoggle. Your proof please
More people working? Maybe more illegal aliens.Ending our Failed Approach to Marijuana
[url=
Many Americans are having trouble making ends meet because they can't get jobs or are not paid enough to keep up with Bidenflation. Red herring because it does not go to the argument "More people working
Those are readings to vote for Trump and against Biden / Harris. In fact, everything in Biden's record gives sane people reasons to vote for Trump & against the fascists. Are we socialists or fascists?
Aliceinbubbleland said:boognish_bear said:Kyle Rittenhouse took the support of MAGA and Donald Trump but now is completely turning on him to “write in” a candidate in 2024.
— Joey Mannarino (@JoeyMannarinoUS) August 2, 2024
After all the movement did for him?
Absolutely disgusted with this kid. pic.twitter.com/ITNLN7OwwL
Possibly the best for Trump
What parts? Since these are Omnibus it becomes difficult to determine where the waste and needed spending occurs. Them money for Bridges and Roads was 361 million and the Pipeline, Airports and Ports was pretty significant. That said, it represents 50% of the bill. I have no issues with that spending, it is needed and is an investment.historian said:
Infrastructure Act was a wasteful boondoggle.
More people working? Maybe more illegal aliens. Many Americans are having trouble making ends meet because they can't get jobs or are not paid enough to keep up with Bidenflation.
Those are readings to vote for Trump and against Biden / Harris. In fact, everything in Biden's record gives sane people reasons to vote for Trump & against the fascists.
The economy, foreign policy (Afghanistan, Russia, China, Ukraine, Israel, etc), competency, the border, American freedoms, Biden's illegal aliens crime wave, the rule of law, racism, etc, etc, etc ad nauseum.
Biden & Harris are a pathetic failure at everything except lying and projection. Eventually enough people will wake up to reality and vote for sanity. TDS is not a sane reason for anything. For all his faults, and there are many, Trump is the only qualified candidate for president and with a record to prove it.
There is alot of money out there now for Roads and Bridges, so much so that we are having a hard time finding skilled construction crews. TIming is becoming an issue. We are regularly seeing 2 or 3 contractors going after 350 million dollar projects. In 2015 we saw 10 bid. That is just roads. Airport construcition is booming and Port Tampa Bay is expanding. So, in FL we are seeing the spending hit the street. I don't know about rest on Nations, but TX is building like crazy toohistorian said:
Probably 99% or all of it. It matters not how much was budgeted for roads or bridges if little or none of the money is spent on roads or bridges. Remember the earlier law spending billions on electric chargers for all the EVs Big Brother was going to shove down our throats? The result was zero chargers actually built. This kind of waste and fraud apparently happens all the time and probably has been happening for decades. Where goes all that money go? Probably much of it goes to Leftist NGO's implementing the fascist agenda and reliably donating millions to Dem candidates every year. It's a fraud & a scam and will continue until the perps start going to prison.
It turns out the Founding Fathers were correct: bigger government doesn't work better it only becomes more tyrannical. Lord Acton was also correct: "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
That Ellen Greenberg case is wildwhitetrash said:Sounds very Clintonian.Doc Holliday said:BREAKING: PA Supreme Court orders review of death of Ellen Greenberg case that Josh Shapiro ruled a suicide after she was stabbed 20 times in the chest and backhttps://t.co/CNKEfCsxi3https://t.co/CNKEfCsxi3
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 1, 2024
Here's the thing. I totally get your position. Heck, it was my position in '16 and '20. It remains the position of my parents and my sister, my wife, her parents and brothers, and our two sons (though one is waffling). My daughter and I are all alone in Now Never Trump Land . . . but I could no longer look her or my sons in the eye and justify Trump support.Mothra said:You're a smart poster, and we probably agree 95% of the time, but your logic here is truly baffling.sombear said:Whiskey Pete said:Eh, he hates Trump more than he loves America.Mothra said:MT's absolutely correct. But what you NT's fail to see is the forest through the trees.sombear said:You're on a roll, and I love it. Truth. And now that he sees he's losing (again) it will only get worse.MT_Bear said:He's a whiny ***** that some one here claim has "guts" because he found the bravery to answer some journalists' questions. He's a coward who ducked the military with bone spurs. He's a snowflake who can't take the tiniest criticism without having a full-on meltdown.historian said:
Yes, Trump is weak & a coward! Here is those characteristics on display recently:
You want to vote for him, do so. I support you. But this worshipping of a man with absolute dog**** for character isn't the example we should be setting for our kids.
What's your alternative, if you are an actual conservative? Stand on "principle," which will lead to 4, and potentially 8 years of a Harris admin? 8 years of disastrous policies? Losing the Supreme Court? Foreign wars, and potentially war with Russia? Open borders? Racking up trillions in debt? 4 to 8 years of woke social policies? Legislation mandating the right to an abortion?
Can't stand Trump. But when the alternative for conservatives is to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, I'll take DT every time.
I hate Trump because I love America. We're better than him. He's everything I was raised not to be and that I raise my boys not to be.
I am a dad of three boys, and I likewise raised my boys to be good and decent men. In that regard, there isn't a single president in their lifetimes that I've held up as role models or someone to emulate. To the contrary, every single one of them had significant character flaws.
The real questions you should be asking yourself is this: Will a Kamala presidency be better for my boys? Will her decisions and policies be better for their futures?
My answers to these questions is why I believe that as a conservative, the only ethical and moral vote is Trump. And I say that as someone who agrees with you on Trump. It galls me that he is the only viable option for me and my family.
Of course it did.Waco1947 said:
Sounded ok to me. She simply caught herself and then put together a defense of diplomacy.
Now about Trump's healthcare plan, what is it?
I understand. You are where my wife and eldest son were until a few months ago. They were both done with Trump. And then my wife was listening to a podcast that went through Biden's proposed budget earlier this year, and the issues he wanted to spend money on, and it was at that point she had enough. This will be my eldest son's first opportunity to vote in a presidential election, and he's either not going to vote or vote Trump - he hasn't made up his mind.sombear said:Here's the thing. I totally get your position. Heck, it was my position in '16 and '20. It remains the position of my parents and my sister, my wife, her parents and brothers, and our two sons (though one is waffling). My daughter and I are all alone in Now Never Trump Land . . . but I could no longer look her or my sons in the eye and justify Trump support.Mothra said:You're a smart poster, and we probably agree 95% of the time, but your logic here is truly baffling.sombear said:Whiskey Pete said:Eh, he hates Trump more than he loves America.Mothra said:MT's absolutely correct. But what you NT's fail to see is the forest through the trees.sombear said:You're on a roll, and I love it. Truth. And now that he sees he's losing (again) it will only get worse.MT_Bear said:He's a whiny ***** that some one here claim has "guts" because he found the bravery to answer some journalists' questions. He's a coward who ducked the military with bone spurs. He's a snowflake who can't take the tiniest criticism without having a full-on meltdown.historian said:
Yes, Trump is weak & a coward! Here is those characteristics on display recently:
You want to vote for him, do so. I support you. But this worshipping of a man with absolute dog**** for character isn't the example we should be setting for our kids.
What's your alternative, if you are an actual conservative? Stand on "principle," which will lead to 4, and potentially 8 years of a Harris admin? 8 years of disastrous policies? Losing the Supreme Court? Foreign wars, and potentially war with Russia? Open borders? Racking up trillions in debt? 4 to 8 years of woke social policies? Legislation mandating the right to an abortion?
Can't stand Trump. But when the alternative for conservatives is to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, I'll take DT every time.
I hate Trump because I love America. We're better than him. He's everything I was raised not to be and that I raise my boys not to be.
I am a dad of three boys, and I likewise raised my boys to be good and decent men. In that regard, there isn't a single president in their lifetimes that I've held up as role models or someone to emulate. To the contrary, every single one of them had significant character flaws.
The real questions you should be asking yourself is this: Will a Kamala presidency be better for my boys? Will her decisions and policies be better for their futures?
My answers to these questions is why I believe that as a conservative, the only ethical and moral vote is Trump. And I say that as someone who agrees with you on Trump. It galls me that he is the only viable option for me and my family.
And it's all a matter of degree. It's a balancing of Trump's lack of character with short and long term consequences of the Dems winning in '24. In my and my daughter's view, that balance now militates against Trump. I can no longer support him and truly believe we'll be better off in the long run if we wash our hands now - rip the band aid off.
You say there's not a single President . . . . But I have a different standard. I obviously don't expect perfection or near perfection. Or a choir boy. Just a basic level of decency. I think other than Trump only one or two candidates in my lifetime (I'm 55) fail that test.
I became interested in politics late in college because I was appalled that a draft-dodging, philandering, lying Slick Willy could beat Bush Sr, a war hero, family man, with character.
And some of it I understand was probably wishful thinking, but I always considered the GOP as the party who took character seriously. Who stood for traditional Judeo Christian values and what is good and right. Trump has completely taken that away.
KaiBear said:whiterock said:
More bad fundamentals for DemocratsBoth initial and continuing unemployment claims are now notably above pre-pandemic levels.
— Peter Berezin (@PeterBerezinBCA) August 1, 2024
The soft landing is morphing into quicksand. pic.twitter.com/srXDsWwila
Women will vote their 'feelings'.
Period
sombear said:Here's the thing. I totally get your position. Heck, it was my position in '16 and '20. It remains the position of my parents and my sister, my wife, her parents and brothers, and our two sons (though one is waffling). My daughter and I are all alone in Now Never Trump Land . . . but I could no longer look her or my sons in the eye and justify Trump support.Mothra said:You're a smart poster, and we probably agree 95% of the time, but your logic here is truly baffling.sombear said:Whiskey Pete said:Eh, he hates Trump more than he loves America.Mothra said:MT's absolutely correct. But what you NT's fail to see is the forest through the trees.sombear said:You're on a roll, and I love it. Truth. And now that he sees he's losing (again) it will only get worse.MT_Bear said:He's a whiny ***** that some one here claim has "guts" because he found the bravery to answer some journalists' questions. He's a coward who ducked the military with bone spurs. He's a snowflake who can't take the tiniest criticism without having a full-on meltdown.historian said:
Yes, Trump is weak & a coward! Here is those characteristics on display recently:
You want to vote for him, do so. I support you. But this worshipping of a man with absolute dog**** for character isn't the example we should be setting for our kids.
What's your alternative, if you are an actual conservative? Stand on "principle," which will lead to 4, and potentially 8 years of a Harris admin? 8 years of disastrous policies? Losing the Supreme Court? Foreign wars, and potentially war with Russia? Open borders? Racking up trillions in debt? 4 to 8 years of woke social policies? Legislation mandating the right to an abortion?
Can't stand Trump. But when the alternative for conservatives is to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, I'll take DT every time.
I hate Trump because I love America. We're better than him. He's everything I was raised not to be and that I raise my boys not to be.
I am a dad of three boys, and I likewise raised my boys to be good and decent men. In that regard, there isn't a single president in their lifetimes that I've held up as role models or someone to emulate. To the contrary, every single one of them had significant character flaws.
The real questions you should be asking yourself is this: Will a Kamala presidency be better for my boys? Will her decisions and policies be better for their futures?
My answers to these questions is why I believe that as a conservative, the only ethical and moral vote is Trump. And I say that as someone who agrees with you on Trump. It galls me that he is the only viable option for me and my family.
And it's all a matter of degree. It's a balancing of Trump's lack of character with short and long term consequences of the Dems winning in '24. In my and my daughter's view, that balance now militates against Trump. I can no longer support him and truly believe we'll be better off in the long run if we wash our hands now - rip the band aid off.
You say there's not a single President . . . . But I have a different standard. I obviously don't expect perfection or near perfection. Or a choir boy. Just a basic level of decency. I think other than Trump only one or two candidates in my lifetime (I'm 55) fail that test.
I became interested in politics late in college because I was appalled that a draft-dodging, philandering, lying Slick Willy could beat Bush Sr, a war hero, family man, with character.
And some of it I understand was probably wishful thinking, but I always considered the GOP as the party who took character seriously. Who stood for traditional Judeo Christian values and what is good and right. Trump has completely taken that away.
sombear said:Here's the thing. I totally get your position. Heck, it was my position in '16 and '20. It remains the position of my parents and my sister, my wife, her parents and brothers, and our two sons (though one is waffling). My daughter and I are all alone in Now Never Trump Land . . . but I could no longer look her or my sons in the eye and justify Trump support.Mothra said:You're a smart poster, and we probably agree 95% of the time, but your logic here is truly baffling.sombear said:Whiskey Pete said:Eh, he hates Trump more than he loves America.Mothra said:MT's absolutely correct. But what you NT's fail to see is the forest through the trees.sombear said:You're on a roll, and I love it. Truth. And now that he sees he's losing (again) it will only get worse.MT_Bear said:He's a whiny ***** that some one here claim has "guts" because he found the bravery to answer some journalists' questions. He's a coward who ducked the military with bone spurs. He's a snowflake who can't take the tiniest criticism without having a full-on meltdown.historian said:
Yes, Trump is weak & a coward! Here is those characteristics on display recently:
You want to vote for him, do so. I support you. But this worshipping of a man with absolute dog**** for character isn't the example we should be setting for our kids.
What's your alternative, if you are an actual conservative? Stand on "principle," which will lead to 4, and potentially 8 years of a Harris admin? 8 years of disastrous policies? Losing the Supreme Court? Foreign wars, and potentially war with Russia? Open borders? Racking up trillions in debt? 4 to 8 years of woke social policies? Legislation mandating the right to an abortion?
Can't stand Trump. But when the alternative for conservatives is to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, I'll take DT every time.
I hate Trump because I love America. We're better than him. He's everything I was raised not to be and that I raise my boys not to be.
I am a dad of three boys, and I likewise raised my boys to be good and decent men. In that regard, there isn't a single president in their lifetimes that I've held up as role models or someone to emulate. To the contrary, every single one of them had significant character flaws.
The real questions you should be asking yourself is this: Will a Kamala presidency be better for my boys? Will her decisions and policies be better for their futures?
My answers to these questions is why I believe that as a conservative, the only ethical and moral vote is Trump. And I say that as someone who agrees with you on Trump. It galls me that he is the only viable option for me and my family.
And it's all a matter of degree. It's a balancing of Trump's lack of character with short and long term consequences of the Dems winning in '24. In my and my daughter's view, that balance now militates against Trump. I can no longer support him and truly believe we'll be better off in the long run if we wash our hands now - rip the band aid off.
You say there's not a single President . . . . But I have a different standard. I obviously don't expect perfection or near perfection. Or a choir boy. Just a basic level of decency. I think other than Trump only one or two candidates in my lifetime (I'm 55) fail that test.
I became interested in politics late in college because I was appalled that a draft-dodging, philandering, lying Slick Willy could beat Bush Sr, a war hero, family man, with character.
And some of it I understand was probably wishful thinking, but I always considered the GOP as the party who took character seriously. Who stood for traditional Judeo Christian values and what is good and right. Trump has completely taken that away.
Venezuela’s election results are sketchy:
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) August 1, 2024
- Pipe burst at a facility, which stopped the count
- Poll watchers were banned from observing key polling stations
- Boxes of ballots kept appearing and they went 90% for Maduro.
- Judges refused to hear fraud cases based on standing
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:sombear said:Here's the thing. I totally get your position. Heck, it was my position in '16 and '20. It remains the position of my parents and my sister, my wife, her parents and brothers, and our two sons (though one is waffling). My daughter and I are all alone in Now Never Trump Land . . . but I could no longer look her or my sons in the eye and justify Trump support.Mothra said:You're a smart poster, and we probably agree 95% of the time, but your logic here is truly baffling.sombear said:Whiskey Pete said:Eh, he hates Trump more than he loves America.Mothra said:MT's absolutely correct. But what you NT's fail to see is the forest through the trees.sombear said:You're on a roll, and I love it. Truth. And now that he sees he's losing (again) it will only get worse.MT_Bear said:He's a whiny ***** that some one here claim has "guts" because he found the bravery to answer some journalists' questions. He's a coward who ducked the military with bone spurs. He's a snowflake who can't take the tiniest criticism without having a full-on meltdown.historian said:
Yes, Trump is weak & a coward! Here is those characteristics on display recently:
You want to vote for him, do so. I support you. But this worshipping of a man with absolute dog**** for character isn't the example we should be setting for our kids.
What's your alternative, if you are an actual conservative? Stand on "principle," which will lead to 4, and potentially 8 years of a Harris admin? 8 years of disastrous policies? Losing the Supreme Court? Foreign wars, and potentially war with Russia? Open borders? Racking up trillions in debt? 4 to 8 years of woke social policies? Legislation mandating the right to an abortion?
Can't stand Trump. But when the alternative for conservatives is to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, I'll take DT every time.
I hate Trump because I love America. We're better than him. He's everything I was raised not to be and that I raise my boys not to be.
I am a dad of three boys, and I likewise raised my boys to be good and decent men. In that regard, there isn't a single president in their lifetimes that I've held up as role models or someone to emulate. To the contrary, every single one of them had significant character flaws.
The real questions you should be asking yourself is this: Will a Kamala presidency be better for my boys? Will her decisions and policies be better for their futures?
My answers to these questions is why I believe that as a conservative, the only ethical and moral vote is Trump. And I say that as someone who agrees with you on Trump. It galls me that he is the only viable option for me and my family.
And it's all a matter of degree. It's a balancing of Trump's lack of character with short and long term consequences of the Dems winning in '24. In my and my daughter's view, that balance now militates against Trump. I can no longer support him and truly believe we'll be better off in the long run if we wash our hands now - rip the band aid off.
You say there's not a single President . . . . But I have a different standard. I obviously don't expect perfection or near perfection. Or a choir boy. Just a basic level of decency. I think other than Trump only one or two candidates in my lifetime (I'm 55) fail that test.
I became interested in politics late in college because I was appalled that a draft-dodging, philandering, lying Slick Willy could beat Bush Sr, a war hero, family man, with character.
And some of it I understand was probably wishful thinking, but I always considered the GOP as the party who took character seriously. Who stood for traditional Judeo Christian values and what is good and right. Trump has completely taken that away.
Nah, "can't look them in the eyes" is just BS thinking imo. Sorry to be blunt, you're a great poster. You're just making an emotional response to not liking Trump and trying to "hyper-spiritualize" your vote.
You live in a secular society. As Christians we're not going to always get candidates we like. If we have to vote for Christian men or women only, we may be sitting out all elections. That'd be bad for us and society. And the vote is not an endorsement of everything about an individual. You are pretending that it is, but you KNOW it is not. Likewise we make consumer transactions in our society, not everyone of them is with great companies... or politicians if we're talking voting. Christians are called to be good stewards with things, your vote is one of those things. If Trump had done a bad or immoral job as president, you'd be somewhat justified, but the objective reality is that Trump was a very effective president. But that's not enough for those like you that falsely make your vote a sacrament. It's not, it's just a vote for best path forward given two options. The vote is clear, thankfully there are Christians who don't abdicate the privilege of voting.
Now, you've backed yourself up into a corner and youre stuck because you can't back down at this point. So you'll waste your vote on legalistic and false premises.
The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Here's the thing. I totally get your position. Heck, it was my position in '16 and '20. It remains the position of my parents and my sister, my wife, her parents and brothers, and our two sons (though one is waffling). My daughter and I are all alone in Now Never Trump Land . . . but I could no longer look her or my sons in the eye and justify Trump support.Mothra said:You're a smart poster, and we probably agree 95% of the time, but your logic here is truly baffling.sombear said:Whiskey Pete said:Eh, he hates Trump more than he loves America.Mothra said:MT's absolutely correct. But what you NT's fail to see is the forest through the trees.sombear said:You're on a roll, and I love it. Truth. And now that he sees he's losing (again) it will only get worse.MT_Bear said:He's a whiny ***** that some one here claim has "guts" because he found the bravery to answer some journalists' questions. He's a coward who ducked the military with bone spurs. He's a snowflake who can't take the tiniest criticism without having a full-on meltdown.historian said:
Yes, Trump is weak & a coward! Here is those characteristics on display recently:
You want to vote for him, do so. I support you. But this worshipping of a man with absolute dog**** for character isn't the example we should be setting for our kids.
What's your alternative, if you are an actual conservative? Stand on "principle," which will lead to 4, and potentially 8 years of a Harris admin? 8 years of disastrous policies? Losing the Supreme Court? Foreign wars, and potentially war with Russia? Open borders? Racking up trillions in debt? 4 to 8 years of woke social policies? Legislation mandating the right to an abortion?
Can't stand Trump. But when the alternative for conservatives is to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, I'll take DT every time.
I hate Trump because I love America. We're better than him. He's everything I was raised not to be and that I raise my boys not to be.
I am a dad of three boys, and I likewise raised my boys to be good and decent men. In that regard, there isn't a single president in their lifetimes that I've held up as role models or someone to emulate. To the contrary, every single one of them had significant character flaws.
The real questions you should be asking yourself is this: Will a Kamala presidency be better for my boys? Will her decisions and policies be better for their futures?
My answers to these questions is why I believe that as a conservative, the only ethical and moral vote is Trump. And I say that as someone who agrees with you on Trump. It galls me that he is the only viable option for me and my family.
And it's all a matter of degree. It's a balancing of Trump's lack of character with short and long term consequences of the Dems winning in '24. In my and my daughter's view, that balance now militates against Trump. I can no longer support him and truly believe we'll be better off in the long run if we wash our hands now - rip the band aid off.
You say there's not a single President . . . . But I have a different standard. I obviously don't expect perfection or near perfection. Or a choir boy. Just a basic level of decency. I think other than Trump only one or two candidates in my lifetime (I'm 55) fail that test.
I became interested in politics late in college because I was appalled that a draft-dodging, philandering, lying Slick Willy could beat Bush Sr, a war hero, family man, with character.
And some of it I understand was probably wishful thinking, but I always considered the GOP as the party who took character seriously. Who stood for traditional Judeo Christian values and what is good and right. Trump has completely taken that away.
You've always promoted Neocon, pro-globalist, America Last policies so this does let surprise me in the slightest.
You claim to be Serbian but have said the Christian Serbs deserved to be bombed by Bill Clinton resulting in the loss of half their historic homeland to Muslim invaders in the 90ties.
That kind of weakness and disloyalty is appalling to me.
sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Here's the thing. I totally get your position. Heck, it was my position in '16 and '20. It remains the position of my parents and my sister, my wife, her parents and brothers, and our two sons (though one is waffling). My daughter and I are all alone in Now Never Trump Land . . . but I could no longer look her or my sons in the eye and justify Trump support.Mothra said:You're a smart poster, and we probably agree 95% of the time, but your logic here is truly baffling.sombear said:Whiskey Pete said:Eh, he hates Trump more than he loves America.Mothra said:MT's absolutely correct. But what you NT's fail to see is the forest through the trees.sombear said:You're on a roll, and I love it. Truth. And now that he sees he's losing (again) it will only get worse.MT_Bear said:He's a whiny ***** that some one here claim has "guts" because he found the bravery to answer some journalists' questions. He's a coward who ducked the military with bone spurs. He's a snowflake who can't take the tiniest criticism without having a full-on meltdown.historian said:
Yes, Trump is weak & a coward! Here is those characteristics on display recently:
You want to vote for him, do so. I support you. But this worshipping of a man with absolute dog**** for character isn't the example we should be setting for our kids.
What's your alternative, if you are an actual conservative? Stand on "principle," which will lead to 4, and potentially 8 years of a Harris admin? 8 years of disastrous policies? Losing the Supreme Court? Foreign wars, and potentially war with Russia? Open borders? Racking up trillions in debt? 4 to 8 years of woke social policies? Legislation mandating the right to an abortion?
Can't stand Trump. But when the alternative for conservatives is to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, I'll take DT every time.
I hate Trump because I love America. We're better than him. He's everything I was raised not to be and that I raise my boys not to be.
I am a dad of three boys, and I likewise raised my boys to be good and decent men. In that regard, there isn't a single president in their lifetimes that I've held up as role models or someone to emulate. To the contrary, every single one of them had significant character flaws.
The real questions you should be asking yourself is this: Will a Kamala presidency be better for my boys? Will her decisions and policies be better for their futures?
My answers to these questions is why I believe that as a conservative, the only ethical and moral vote is Trump. And I say that as someone who agrees with you on Trump. It galls me that he is the only viable option for me and my family.
And it's all a matter of degree. It's a balancing of Trump's lack of character with short and long term consequences of the Dems winning in '24. In my and my daughter's view, that balance now militates against Trump. I can no longer support him and truly believe we'll be better off in the long run if we wash our hands now - rip the band aid off.
You say there's not a single President . . . . But I have a different standard. I obviously don't expect perfection or near perfection. Or a choir boy. Just a basic level of decency. I think other than Trump only one or two candidates in my lifetime (I'm 55) fail that test.
I became interested in politics late in college because I was appalled that a draft-dodging, philandering, lying Slick Willy could beat Bush Sr, a war hero, family man, with character.
And some of it I understand was probably wishful thinking, but I always considered the GOP as the party who took character seriously. Who stood for traditional Judeo Christian values and what is good and right. Trump has completely taken that away.
You've always promoted Neocon, pro-globalist, America Last policies so this does let surprise me in the slightest.
You claim to be Serbian but have said the Christian Serbs deserved to be bombed by Bill Clinton resulting in the loss of half their historic homeland to Muslim invaders in the 90ties.
That kind of weakness and disloyalty is appalling to me.
Not sure what posts you're referencing.
I don't recall saying that about Serbia. If I did, I must have been having one heckuva bad day …..
What I believe is that it was nuanced. The media and much of the world disregarded history and recent events and made Serbia the bogeyman. It was masterful PR. But a lot of it was BS.
On the other hand, certain factions got way out of hand and committed unthinkable atrocities. . Once those became public and Serbia violated truce terms, NATO action was inevitable.
I think NATO saw everything through anti-Serb lenses and went too far.
I remained proud Serb through it all and gave the other side of the story to whomever would listen.
BTW I'm a guy.
