If it's anything like 1968, that surge could be for Trump.
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Does it matter if it is false if it gets a lot of votes?whiterock said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:He literally said it was a "fake" rally and no one was there. It's an unforced error on something completely irrelevant other than to his ego.whiterock said:I cannot understand why Trump's post would bother anyone not on Team Kamala - calling into doubt the accomplishments of one's opponents is hardly bad politics, even if all it does is stiffen the spine of one's supporters.ATL Bear said:You'll complain if I don't do the research for you, but don't ask again for dumb **** like this.Oldbear83 said:
Source? I ask because other sites have questioned the image from Harris, not just Trump.
Here's the link to the live streamed event.
https://www.youtube.com/live/AvVbLW6Xfbc?si=TncELI5OMRbktDmr
Go to about 28 mins if you need the photo angle segment
Just look at FL's post above. Trump is hardly "floundering." But FL is rattled by the Harris campaign's equally outlandish narrative that it is surging a grassroots wave of support into a wide lead.
His comments have enthused his supporters, who are out posting on social media about fake rallies. That muddies the waters for a lot of voters. It causes them to shrug off the whole issue as just more nonsense. That's a win.
Trump didn't say Nazis at Charlottesville were fine people, but a LOT of people believe it.
False stuff can get you a LOT of votes. You are smarter than this……
You just do not get it nor do you pay attention. None of those verses support socialism. There is not a single verse in the Bible that does. You can only get there by twisting God's word to mean something it clearly does not. You have proven you don't mind going there: you have tried to argue scripture supports homosexuality and other forms of perversion. Those efforts were almost comical in their futility. Very sad & pathetic.
You just cannot stop trolling.
You just cannot stop trolling.
Mothra said:Wow. Had not heard about this story.whiterock said:Sigh. False premise.FLBear5630 said:I think the difference is that when Trump circulates something even a bit off, he is fact checked and it is exposed on multiple outlets. Kamala is off or outright lies and it is left unchallenged. Trump is not going to win this battle. He needs to get his facts right OR the inaccuracy of his facts become the story.whiterock said:it's politics, buddy. and as it is in war, the first casualty is the truth. If you aren't saying what you need to say to win, you are going to lose.ATL Bear said:You're smarter than this as well. He and his supporters are looking like idiots circulating this, which compounds his already high unlike-ability, and just when he was moving it in the other direction. This crap only rallies his die hards, and exacerbates the low bar of truth he feeds to and encourages in his supporters.whiterock said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:He literally said it was a "fake" rally and no one was there. It's an unforced error on something completely irrelevant other than to his ego.whiterock said:I cannot understand why Trump's post would bother anyone not on Team Kamala - calling into doubt the accomplishments of one's opponents is hardly bad politics, even if all it does is stiffen the spine of one's supporters.ATL Bear said:You'll complain if I don't do the research for you, but don't ask again for dumb **** like this.Oldbear83 said:
Source? I ask because other sites have questioned the image from Harris, not just Trump.
Here's the link to the live streamed event.
https://www.youtube.com/live/AvVbLW6Xfbc?si=TncELI5OMRbktDmr
Go to about 28 mins if you need the photo angle segment
Just look at FL's post above. Trump is hardly "floundering." But FL is rattled by the Harris campaign's equally outlandish narrative that it is surging a grassroots wave of support into a wide lead.
His comments have enthused his supporters, who are out posting on social media about fake rallies. That muddies the waters for a lot of voters. It causes them to shrug off the whole issue as just more nonsense. That's a win.
Trump didn't say Nazis at Charlottesville were fine people, but a LOT of people believe it.
False stuff can get you a LOT of votes. You are smarter than this……
Harris is out there campaigning on Trump's platform, as if the prior 4 years never happened. And you get upset at Trump trying to discredit the veracity of her support? For getting millions of people out there to push a narrative that the Harris campaign is a lie?
It is amazing how obtuse the smart people can be when they confuse virtue with politics.
Media is making it tough sledding. CNN went from being pretty objective when it was Biden to full-out pro-Kamala and she is not being challenged. She denied a TIME Magazine interview and no one is saying a word. She is not going to have to defend anything. POTUS is being gifted...
They need us to be wrong, to be liars, etc..... If we tell the truth, they will explain it is a lie. Look at the way they use "misinformation" to justify censorship. You can be absolutely factually correct, but if it is at odds with their narrative, it will be described as misinformation and canceled.
Look at what Musk has done with X. A billion impressions on the Trump interview. Dems were willing to forego all that, pass up the chance to monetize the most widely viewed interview in history, to silence their opponent.
Look what Walz did to enforce a lockdown. And they call US the Nazis.......Never forget: Cops shoot people with paintballs standing on their front porches during the lockdown curfew ordered by Governor Tim Walz in Minnesota in 2020 pic.twitter.com/PZCWqszPwI
— Kerry Slone (@thereal_SnS) August 13, 2024
Repubs need to be replaying this over and over and over instead of focusing on crowd size.
Walz is truly an authoritarian nut.
Walz's Gestapo, truly horrific when you think about the mentality that the policemen operated under, and all due to some people being outside their homes.
I agree. But, it is funny how things play in an election. Doesn't always go like you think...historian said:
RDS's efforts might pay off for him in the long run. We can hope.
Nikki Haley, in Fox interview, says the GOP "needs to make a serious shift" as it faces Harris now. Haley says Republicans need to "quit whining" about things like whether Harris gives interviews
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) August 13, 2024
yes, attack policy and let her not give interviewsboognish_bear said:Nikki Haley, in Fox interview, says the GOP "needs to make a serious shift" as it faces Harris now. Haley says Republicans need to "quit whining" about things like whether Harris gives interviews
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) August 13, 2024
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boognish_bear said:Nikki Haley, in Fox interview, says the GOP "needs to make a serious shift" as it faces Harris now. Haley says Republicans need to "quit whining" about things like whether Harris gives interviews
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) August 13, 2024
Trump needs to listen to her if he wants the NeoCon and moderate vote. His base has to understand or numbers will work against him.
Waiting for her to mess up is not a strategy.
Sean O’Brien, Teamsters president, spoke at the GOP convention.
— Terry Moran 🇺🇸 (@TerryMoran) August 13, 2024
Now after Trump and @elonmusk laughed about firing workers on strike, he tells @rachaelmbade:
“Firing workers for organizing, striking, and exercising their rights as Americans is economic terrorism.” pic.twitter.com/wyt9ZSxY6O
FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Nikki Haley, in Fox interview, says the GOP "needs to make a serious shift" as it faces Harris now. Haley says Republicans need to "quit whining" about things like whether Harris gives interviews
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) August 13, 2024
Waiting for her to mess up is not a strategy.
Yep.... her campaign has the guard rails up and are doing their best to keep her in bubble wrap until November.
Bubble wrap. No policies needed....just vibes.
Kamala Harris has no policy stances on her website.https://t.co/nq8mLpiGjp
— News 4 San Antonio (@News4SA) August 13, 2024
boognish_bear said:
Bubble wrap. No policies needed....just vibes.Kamala Harris has no policy stances on her website.https://t.co/nq8mLpiGjp
— News 4 San Antonio (@News4SA) August 13, 2024
She is going to use the Biden tactic, avoid and let Trump/Vance talk.
BREAKING: Kamala Harris open to Sept. 25 debate if Trump shows up to ABC debate scheduled for Sept. 10, according to campaign officials.
— Patrick Webb (@RealPatrickWebb) August 13, 2024
attack policy and make them talkFLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:
Bubble wrap. No policies needed....just vibes.Kamala Harris has no policy stances on her website.https://t.co/nq8mLpiGjp
— News 4 San Antonio (@News4SA) August 13, 2024
She is going to use the Biden tactic, avoid and let Trump/Vance talk.
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4th and Inches said:only 5.4miilion to go to catch upwhiterock said:
140k GOP gain in one MONTH🗳️ July Voter registration change - California
— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) August 12, 2024
🔴 Republicans - +94,667
🔵 Democrats - -43,733
The disparity is a good indicator of voter enthusiasm
Good benchmark when looking at internal on media polls. Rasmussen is +2 Democrat, which happens to closely track with Twitter engagement stats
Fascinating. Our National Likely Voters survey party weighting has been locked since just after the 2022 midterms at -
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) August 13, 2024
Democrats 35%, Republicans 33% and Independents 32%. https://t.co/PXsoBcBKD7
These kinds of disconnects have been in the mix all year,
On closer inspection, Kamala is *COOKED.*
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) August 13, 2024
The hype is not real. Dems are getting slaughtered on voter registrations. Pollsters keep oversampling Dems for no damn reason except deceiving voters.
It's all designed to try to keep Harris within the MOC (Margin of Cheat*ng). pic.twitter.com/CwolxQn71p
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Just how reliable a source is kyleanbecker?
Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
indie journo that used to work for Fox newsBUDOS said:
Just how reliable a source is kyleanbecker?
Not a terrible source
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Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
He can't control that....but he has full control of his Truth Social and Twitter. He can shape the focus on issues completely on there if he can learn to resist the rage tweeting.
So for real now...
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) August 13, 2024
Is Kamala going to ever do an actual interview, or nah?
boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
He can't control that....but he has full control of his Truth Social and Twitter. He can shape the focus on issues completely on there if he can learn to resist the rage tweeting.
Buddy he just did a long one on one interview with Elon Musk that was watched by 60-80 million people.
And he talked plenty about the issues.
At some point you have to realize your perception is not reality…but it's a understandable perception if viewed through a certain media lens
He is engaging on the issues and before a lot of viewers
He throws out insults at his political opponents but it's not what he does the majority of the day or what he talks about the majority of the time.
But that's what is going to get most repeated. And you can't entirely blame the media, because Trump loves to throw out insults and likes to see them get attention. So it's not as if he is continually making minor social faux pas speaking in private that get overheard.Redbrickbear said:boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
He can't control that....but he has full control of his Truth Social and Twitter. He can shape the focus on issues completely on there if he can learn to resist the rage tweeting.
Buddy he just did a long one on one interview with Elon Musk that was watched by 60-80 million people.
And he talked plenty about the issues.
At some point you have to realize your perception is not reality…but it's a understandable perception if viewed through a certain media lens
He is engaging on the issues and before a lot of viewers
He throws out insults at his political opponents but it's not what he does the majority of the day or what he talks about the majority of the time.
I'm sure there is research out there on this, but I am curious if Trump is more likely to gain votes from people currently leaning Harris or more likely to gain votes from people currently leaning 3rd party or not voting at all just because of his behavior. If the answer is the latter, then he really should be tailoring his approach towards those.
He can even tie in subtle jabs at Harris, "Gosh I would really like to hear VP Harris' verbal thoughts on this subject..." But my guess is he won't be able to drop the heavier insults because he loves a good zinger that will encourage people who are already going to vote for him vote that much better.
Redbrickbear said:boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
He can't control that....but he has full control of his Truth Social and Twitter. He can shape the focus on issues completely on there if he can learn to resist the rage tweeting.
Buddy he just did a long one on one interview with Elon Musk that was watched by 60-80 million people.
And he talked plenty about the issues.
At some point you have to realize your perception is not reality…but it's a understandable perception if viewed through a certain media lens
He is engaging on the issues and before a lot of viewers
He throws out insults at his political opponents but it's not what he does the majority of the day or what he talks about the majority of the time.
Where is that 60 to 80 million figure coming from? Trump or Elon?
The TV interview with the biggest viewership of all time was Michael Jackson on Oprah in 1993 that drew 63 million viewers.
The majority of Americans vote on emotion and not policy. Literally how they feel about a candidate or maybe a particular issue. Rally crowd size doesn't move the political needle, but oblivious lying and the unhinged appearance of something like this does. To use the word the Democrats have glommed onto, it looks weird.whiterock said:it's politics, buddy. and as it is in war, the first casualty is the truth. If you aren't saying what you need to say to win, you are going to lose.ATL Bear said:You're smarter than this as well. He and his supporters are looking like idiots circulating this, which compounds his already high unlike-ability, and just when he was moving it in the other direction. This crap only rallies his die hards, and exacerbates the low bar of truth he feeds to and encourages in his supporters.whiterock said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:He literally said it was a "fake" rally and no one was there. It's an unforced error on something completely irrelevant other than to his ego.whiterock said:I cannot understand why Trump's post would bother anyone not on Team Kamala - calling into doubt the accomplishments of one's opponents is hardly bad politics, even if all it does is stiffen the spine of one's supporters.ATL Bear said:You'll complain if I don't do the research for you, but don't ask again for dumb **** like this.Oldbear83 said:
Source? I ask because other sites have questioned the image from Harris, not just Trump.
Here's the link to the live streamed event.
https://www.youtube.com/live/AvVbLW6Xfbc?si=TncELI5OMRbktDmr
Go to about 28 mins if you need the photo angle segment
Just look at FL's post above. Trump is hardly "floundering." But FL is rattled by the Harris campaign's equally outlandish narrative that it is surging a grassroots wave of support into a wide lead.
His comments have enthused his supporters, who are out posting on social media about fake rallies. That muddies the waters for a lot of voters. It causes them to shrug off the whole issue as just more nonsense. That's a win.
Trump didn't say Nazis at Charlottesville were fine people, but a LOT of people believe it.
False stuff can get you a LOT of votes. You are smarter than this……
Harris is out there campaigning on Trump's platform, as if the prior 4 years never happened. And you get upset at Trump trying to discredit the veracity of her support? For getting millions of people out there to push a narrative that the Harris campaign is a lie?
It is amazing how obtuse the smart people can be when they confuse virtue with politics.
How about pointing out the weird policies of the opponents instead of stupid distractions? How about attacking the opponents and quit truth socialing or tweeting about your own party people? I'm not looking for virtue. I'm looking for strategy and sanity, and it's been missing for the past several weeks from the Trump campaign.
I listened to the entire exchange. He should thank his lucky stars it was Elon 1 on 1 because he saved Trump from himself on multiple occasions. Trump has never been a good articulator on issues, and falls into non specific insults like "the worst" "horrible" "terrible" "you wouldn't believe how bad" etc. And when it comes to his own solutions he tends toward "the best" "so much better" "greatest" etc.Redbrickbear said:boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
He can't control that....but he has full control of his Truth Social and Twitter. He can shape the focus on issues completely on there if he can learn to resist the rage tweeting.
Buddy he just did a long one on one interview with Elon Musk that was watched by 60-80 million people.
And he talked plenty about the issues.
At some point you have to realize your perception is not reality…but it's a understandable perception if viewed through a certain media lens
He is engaging on the issues and before a lot of viewers
He throws out insults at his political opponents but it's not what he does the majority of the day or what he talks about the majority of the time.
Serious question, what point in the interview would you say was a real haymaker from Trump on Harris, and particular that didn't come from Musk framing it in the dialogue?
Bill O’Reilly says that a “very emotional” Trump is hurting his campaign with a “lack” of “discipline” pic.twitter.com/ByZCCNGDpo
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) August 13, 2024
My conversation with Elon last night was heard by a RECORD audience, and was really something special, as Elon himself is very special - and I thank him for such a strong Endorsement! Unfortunately, because of the complexity of modern day equipment, and cellphone technology, my…
— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) August 14, 2024
Watching Nikki Haley on Special Report. She would have beaten Kamala.
— Abe Greenwald (@AbeGreenwald) August 13, 2024
Yes, and the same people who chastise conservatives for not supporting Trump are the same people who would vow never to vote for Haley. Apparently what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.boognish_bear said:Watching Nikki Haley on Special Report. She would have beaten Kamala.
— Abe Greenwald (@AbeGreenwald) August 13, 2024
boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
He can't control that....but he has full control of his Truth Social and Twitter. He can shape the focus on issues completely on there if he can learn to resist the rage tweeting.
Buddy he just did a long one on one interview with Elon Musk that was watched by 60-80 million people.
And he talked plenty about the issues.
At some point you have to realize your perception is not reality…but it's a understandable perception if viewed through a certain media lens
He is engaging on the issues and before a lot of viewers
He throws out insults at his political opponents but it's not what he does the majority of the day or what he talks about the majority of the time.
Where is that 60 to 80 million figure coming from? Trump or Elon?
The TV interview with the biggest viewership of all time was Michael Jackson on Oprah in 1993 that drew 63 million viewers.
Fact Check put the number at closer to a million watched. He gets caught up in this number size pissing contest crap. He has an opportunity to talk issues and he waste it with dick size crap. A million on X, Reuters reported 1.3M, is a big number, which gets lost in his exaggerations.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-interview-trump-x-social-media-network-2024-08-12/
boognish_bear said:Watching Nikki Haley on Special Report. She would have beaten Kamala.
— Abe Greenwald (@AbeGreenwald) August 13, 2024
President Mitt McCain disagrees with this.
Realitybites said:boognish_bear said:Watching Nikki Haley on Special Report. She would have beaten Kamala.
— Abe Greenwald (@AbeGreenwald) August 13, 2024
President Mitt McCain disagrees with this.
Using this logic President Donald Trump, 2020, disagrees with this.
He lost too...