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Osodecentx
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ScottS said:

Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.

ABC was shamefully biased.

How so? She lied through the whole thing. She failed to answer questions on the economy, the border, if people are better off now than 4 years ago, if she is ok with abortion in the 7, 8, and 9th month, and all her flip flopping. The media, who is all democrats, might say she won, but that is not the truth.


Why didn't Trump fact check her himself instead of relying on ABC? I know, he wasn't prepared. He just winged it

He did fact check her on some things (link to 2025 etc). But ABC was clearly not fact checking her on anything.


It's never Trump's fault
Osodecentx
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Will this help Republicans keep a majority in the House or gain a majority in the Denate?
House Rebels Reject Reality

In what might prove a land speed record, the House GOP's rabble-rouser caucus took less than a day upon their return from August recess to cause headaches for House Speaker Mike Johnson. The problem: Government runs out of money Sept. 30 absent a continuing funding resolution. The choice for House Republicans: Pass a bill or own a crippling shutdown five weeks before an election. Team Rabble Rouser is opting for the latter. Obviously.
sombear
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ScottS said:

sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.

ABC was shamefully biased.

How so? She lied through the whole thing. She failed to answer questions on the economy, the border, if people are better off now than 4 years ago, if she is ok with abortion in the 7, 8, and 9th month, and all her flip flopping. The media, who is all democrats, might say she won, but that is not the truth.


He missed countless opportunities and spent far too much time on J6, rehashing 2020, rallies, and eating pets.
Jacques Strap
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There is always some Leftist organization making crazy amounts of money off the government in the background.

Whiskey Pete
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Osodecentx said:

ScottS said:

Osodecentx said:

ScottS said:

sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.

ABC was shamefully biased.

How so? She lied through the whole thing. She failed to answer questions on the economy, the border, if people are better off now than 4 years ago, if she is ok with abortion in the 7, 8, and 9th month, and all her flip flopping. The media, who is all democrats, might say she won, but that is not the truth.


Why didn't Trump fact check her himself instead of relying on ABC? I know, he wasn't prepared. He just winged it

He did fact check her on some things (link to 2025 etc). But ABC was clearly not fact checking her on anything.


It's never Trump's fault
It's always Trump's fault
Redbrickbear
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Jacques Strap said:

There is always some Leftist organization making crazy amounts of money off the government in the background.




What's also interesting is that Springfield Ohio has been dying for 40 years

Losing huge numbers of jobs to outsourcing and to the closing of manicuring companies in the area.

"Throughout the '90s we lost in Clark County, Ohio, 22,000 high-paying blue-collar jobs. We've never recovered from it."

Yet now we are supposed to buy this propaganda line that 22,000 Haitians are being brought in over 2 years and this has reversed this long term economic trend?

Besides lacking education and skills…where are the plants these guys are stopped to work at? They have been closed and sent over seas decades ago.




FLBear5630
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.


Why didn't Trump talk about the bad policies and the incompetence. Instead he continued to whine about his 2020 loss and disappearing pets in Ohio. Speaking of incompetence


I fear Trump is in May mode with Harris in September. First debate is like a data dump. Second will be better and third better. He knew and prepared for Biden for years, the new Candidate was a stroke of Obama genius, Trump is still trying to get his legs with Harris. I fear he is running out of time. This compressed timeframe and a total switch, has really thrown him. Vance was a good pick for a Biden race and disaster versus Harris. Two white guys is not gonna play well versus Harris. Haley, Scott, Noem, or another women would have worked better. This is gonna be tight.
Realitybites
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Anyone in North Carolina know what is going on in that governor's race?
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

Will this help Republicans keep a majority in the House or gain a majority in the Denate?
House Rebels Reject Reality

In what might prove a land speed record, the House GOP's rabble-rouser caucus took less than a day upon their return from August recess to cause headaches for House Speaker Mike Johnson. The problem: Government runs out of money Sept. 30 absent a continuing funding resolution. The choice for House Republicans: Pass a bill or own a crippling shutdown five weeks before an election. Team Rabble Rouser is opting for the latter. Obviously.
a Govt shutdown is a good way to focus national attention on issues.. In this case, the issue of requiring proof of citizenship to vote is a major focus. It touches two important issues - illegal immigration and election integrity, each of which are considered major problems by super-majority margins of VOTERS.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Mike Johnson as Speaker, but he is more willing to use the docket as a political weapon than his predecessor. Progress, at least......

Mothra
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sombear said:

ScottS said:

sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.

ABC was shamefully biased.

How so? She lied through the whole thing. She failed to answer questions on the economy, the border, if people are better off now than 4 years ago, if she is ok with abortion in the 7, 8, and 9th month, and all her flip flopping. The media, who is all democrats, might say she won, but that is not the truth.


He missed countless opportunities and spent far too much time on J6, rehashing 2020, rallies, and eating pets.
True. But for Trump, it was much better than I expected it to be. I suppose that says something about how far the bar has been lowered.
Mothra
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sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.
Nah. She was much better than expected, which again, says something about how far the bar has been lowered. But the woman has no substance. She couldn't articulate a single policy position outside of the child tax credit.

Trump in his own way pointed out many of her negatives. No he didn't do a very good job of it, but he did point them out. And he maintained some semblance of self control.
sombear
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Mothra said:

sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.
Nah. She was much better than expected, which again, says something about how far the bar has been lowered. But the woman has no substance. She couldn't articulate a single policy position outside of the child tax credit.

Trump in his own way pointed out many of her negatives. No he didn't do a very good job of it, but he did point them out. And he maintained some semblance of self control.
Yes, I'm factoring in Harris' low expectations, which Trump and MAGA in large part facilitated.

But I also think she performed well generally. She came across as smart, confident, likeable, and credible, which is amazing given all her policy flip flops.

I disagree that Trump did a good job pointing out her negatives. And the few times he did, he focused on the wrong issues and did not rebut her when she expressed a changed position. He was just really off his game.

And I disagree Harris didn't talk policy. She gave more details on her economic and tax plans than Trump, and also contrasted their plans.
whiterock
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Mothra said:

sombear said:

ScottS said:

sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.

ABC was shamefully biased.

How so? She lied through the whole thing. She failed to answer questions on the economy, the border, if people are better off now than 4 years ago, if she is ok with abortion in the 7, 8, and 9th month, and all her flip flopping. The media, who is all democrats, might say she won, but that is not the truth.


He missed countless opportunities and spent far too much time on J6, rehashing 2020, rallies, and eating pets.
True. But for Trump, it was much better than I expected it to be. I suppose that says something about how far the bar has been lowered.
missed opportunities and digressions are demerits, for sure. The more important question is, did he make the big points he needed to make. Seems pretty clear that he did. Trump never clutters main themes with torrents of data, details , plans, etc..... He is not ever going to please a wonk with masterful manipulation of minutiae. But it does speak to one-issue voters and simpler minds. Half of the electorate, remember, has below average intelligence.

I have seen no discussion of Harris's demeanor in the debate. I think it hurt her. Very expressively ridiculing him, incredulous expressions, smiling/laughing at "antics," fairly animated repositioning behind the podium etc..... Perhaps that inadvertently confirmed suspicions many have about how serious she is. To the extent she was trying to show lack of respect....that is not wise for Democrat who are the face of cancel culture.....judging harshly people with whom they disagree. That was almost a rallying cry in 2016 - Hillary's "basket of deplorables" prompting an visceral outburst of "YESSSS" from so many Trump voters. I don't at all think the debate was that kind of moment, but I do think Harris's demeanor was off putting to a lot of independent voters. Just another glib, arrogant, lightweight looking down her nose at someone who they disagreed with.

Trump, by contrast - stolid, scowling, serious, no nonsense demeanor, conveying a sense of exasperation at the ideological nonsense she represents, ideological nonsense which is feeding chaos across a number important policy realms. there are a LOT of voters out there who feel that way, who know they are being fed a quivering pile Democrat BS but are sick & tired of trying nail Jello to a tree. To them, Trump is a handy mallet.

Not trying to say Tuesday night was a big win for Trump or anything like that. But the numbers are pretty clear that she missed as many opportunities as he did, and perhaps did as much self-harm as Trump did. Maybe more with independents. We should get a better glimpse by Fri.
Osodecentx
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?
Mothra
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sombear said:

Mothra said:

sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.
Nah. She was much better than expected, which again, says something about how far the bar has been lowered. But the woman has no substance. She couldn't articulate a single policy position outside of the child tax credit.

Trump in his own way pointed out many of her negatives. No he didn't do a very good job of it, but he did point them out. And he maintained some semblance of self control.
Yes, I'm factoring in Harris' low expectations, which Trump and MAGA in large part facilitated.

But I also think she performed well generally. She came across as smart, confident, likeable, and credible, which is amazing given all her policy flip flops.

I disagree that Trump did a good job pointing out her negatives. And the few times he did, he focused on the wrong issues and did not rebut her when she expressed a changed position. He was just really off his game.

And I disagree Harris didn't talk policy. She gave more details on her economic and tax plans than Trump, and also contrasted their plans.


If you'll read my post again, you'll see I say Trump didn't do a very good job of pointing out her negatives. What I did say is that he did point them out, repeatedly. Could he have done a better job? Absolutely.

As for Harris talking about her policies, we just disagree here. The only economic policies Harris mentioned were as follows.: a $6,000 child tax credit for infants, a $50,000 tax cut for small businesses and $25,000 to help first time. I mean, that was the full extent of it. And she repeated it several times. Come on man That's not a good job of explaining your policies. And all of the polls, following the debate seem to agree with me, as every single one of them consistently said Harris didn't talk nearly enough about her policies.

I remember when debate used to delve Deeply into policy discussions. It's a shame we've become so superficial as Americans, that Politicians can get away with such superficial policy discussions.
Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
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Frank Galvin said:

KaiBear said:

Frank Galvin said:

historian said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020


It's not the pet eating per se. It's the 10+ million illegal alien invasion that Joe & the Ho perpetrated in the US, the economic despair created by that, the insane crime wave these illegals are engaged in, the gross injustices perpetrated by fascists all over the country for treating Americans like crap & illegals as special guests, the blatant voter fraud all over the place, and all the other insane things those evil people are doing to our country and our citizens. That is why blacks, Hispanics, and other traditionally Dem groups will probably be voting for Trump in record numbers. They want to Make America Great Again and they know that Kam the Kommie will only deliver more of the same misery.
If you actually believe these things you are trul;y special.




You are an articulate individual.

How about discussing where you disagree with ' Historian' ?


Economic despair is hyperbole. After the pandemic ended, employment has been exceptional and wage growth has been close to or above inflation. There is no denying that there are tough spots-the rise in itnerest rates makes home oenwership tough and inflation tends to hit people differently

Violent crime is dropping fast and has been for some time. There is no insane crime wave. It is non-existent.


Minorities are going to support Harris. Just my prediction.

1. Most Americans don't feel that way. And I have a strong feeling those numbers are not accurate. All the people I work with complain about the prices of everything and that their wages have not kept up. Anecdotal info I know... but I think it indicates that there is a disconnect between official data and how most Americans experience the economy.

2. Violent crime has been on a downward trend nationally since the 1990s....that does not mean there was not a huge spike in certain cities and States after the BLM summer.

"Black murders spiked by 32% in 2020 compared to 2019, and by 43% that year compared to the 10-year average"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-silent-2020-black-murder-spike-experts-blm-defund-contributed

3. Certain minorities....I think the trend of Trump and Republicans doing better with Hispanics (especially Hispanic men) will continue. Black Americans will no doubt stay loyal to the Democratic nominee like that have for several decades.
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Mothra said:

sombear said:

Mothra said:

sombear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
Harris destroyed Trump last night.
Nah. She was much better than expected, which again, says something about how far the bar has been lowered. But the woman has no substance. She couldn't articulate a single policy position outside of the child tax credit.

Trump in his own way pointed out many of her negatives. No he didn't do a very good job of it, but he did point them out. And he maintained some semblance of self control.
Yes, I'm factoring in Harris' low expectations, which Trump and MAGA in large part facilitated.

But I also think she performed well generally. She came across as smart, confident, likeable, and credible, which is amazing given all her policy flip flops.

I disagree that Trump did a good job pointing out her negatives. And the few times he did, he focused on the wrong issues and did not rebut her when she expressed a changed position. He was just really off his game.

And I disagree Harris didn't talk policy. She gave more details on her economic and tax plans than Trump, and also contrasted their plans.


If you'll read my post again, you'll see I say Trump didn't do a very good job of pointing out her negatives. What I did say is that he did point them out, repeatedly. Could he have done a better job? Absolutely.

As for Harris talking about her policies, we just disagree here. The only economic policies Harris mentioned were as follows.: a $6,000 child tax credit for infants, a $50,000 tax cut for small businesses and $25,000 to help first time. I mean, that was the full extent of it. And she repeated it several times. Come on man That's not a good job of explaining your policies. And all of the polls, following the debate seem to agree with me, as every single one of them consistently said Harris didn't talk nearly enough about her policies.

I remember when debate used to delve Deeply into policy discussions. It's a shame we've become so superficial as Americans, that Politicians can get away with such superficial policy discussions.
You did say he did not do a good job of pointing them out. I missed that. We agree.

Similarly, though, I didn't say Harris did a good job of discussing her policies. I said she did better than Trump. Yes, she discussed the policies you highlighted, and she also attacked Trump's policies - tariffs, debt, tax cuts for the wealthy, health care, and more. Trump did far too little of the same.
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Frank Galvin said:

KaiBear said:

Frank Galvin said:

historian said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020


It's not the pet eating per se. It's the 10+ million illegal alien invasion that Joe & the Ho perpetrated in the US, the economic despair created by that, the insane crime wave these illegals are engaged in, the gross injustices perpetrated by fascists all over the country for treating Americans like crap & illegals as special guests, the blatant voter fraud all over the place, and all the other insane things those evil people are doing to our country and our citizens. That is why blacks, Hispanics, and other traditionally Dem groups will probably be voting for Trump in record numbers. They want to Make America Great Again and they know that Kam the Kommie will only deliver more of the same misery.
If you actually believe these things you are trul;y special.




You are an articulate individual.

How about discussing where you disagree with ' Historian' ?

Violent crime is dropping fast and has been for some time. There is no insane crime wave. It is non-existent.

Possible that we might not know.....the data is not exactly accurate these days.



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Redbrickbear said:

Frank Galvin said:

KaiBear said:

Frank Galvin said:

historian said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020


It's not the pet eating per se. It's the 10+ million illegal alien invasion that Joe & the Ho perpetrated in the US, the economic despair created by that, the insane crime wave these illegals are engaged in, the gross injustices perpetrated by fascists all over the country for treating Americans like crap & illegals as special guests, the blatant voter fraud all over the place, and all the other insane things those evil people are doing to our country and our citizens. That is why blacks, Hispanics, and other traditionally Dem groups will probably be voting for Trump in record numbers. They want to Make America Great Again and they know that Kam the Kommie will only deliver more of the same misery.
If you actually believe these things you are trul;y special.




You are an articulate individual.

How about discussing where you disagree with ' Historian' ?

Violent crime is dropping fast and has been for some time. There is no insane crime wave. It is non-existent.

Possible that we might not know.....the data is not exactly accurate these days.




Crime reporting is based on incidents reported to the police not prosecutions. There are follow-up statistics to show what crimes are followed by prosecutions, unsolved, etc.

There have been changes in methodology for reporting incidents that create some noise in the data, but almost all subject experts agree that crime spiked in the summer of 2020 (while Trump was president) slightly decreased over the next few years and is now falling. Also, crime trends are highly localized with some jurisdictions going up while others go down. I am not aware of any study that has demonstrated that those areas that have increased crime correlate with the presence of illegal immigrants/undocumented workers/lawfully waiting an asylum determination.

None of that matters to Trump or Musk-they are throwing s--- against the wall to create a fear of others for their own purposes.
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
Ronald Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 went 5 for 6. The one loss was partially just bad luck with Perot. They all had an optimistic view of America and believed the coutnry had an obligation to promote and defend democracy. It is almost impossible for conservatives to have less than 48 senators and we will have a conservative Supreme Court for decades.

edit: I would add McCain, Romney, Bush 1 (and Dole) lost to two extremely gifted politicians who had skills well beyond what I see in anybody present in today's Democrats. McCain and Dole had terrible timing to be candidates based on economic factors. All meaning that what I call (and what I used to be) "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans can still win elections
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Frank Galvin said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
Ronald Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 went 5 for 6. The one loss was partially just bad luck with Perot. They all had an optimistic view of America and believed the coutnry had an obligation to promote and defend democracy. It is almost impossible for conservatives to have less than 48 senators and we will have a conservative Supreme Court for decades.


Through the wonders of mass 3rd world migration anything is possible.

Springfield Ohio went from have less than 1% of its population being Haitian to having 34% of its population being Haitian in just 2 years.

California went from 76.3-78% of the state's population being native born White in 1980 to 36.5% in 2019

(From solidly Red to solidly Blue in almost no time at all)

You can change anything given enough migration and a few decades
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
First, you're the Republican, not I, what are you hoping for post-Trump? You guys have made MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, and Hawley spokesmen. for you. You nominated, Dole, McCain, Romney, HW Bush and W Bush and I voted for every one of them only to find out now you think they are loser "neocon' (whatever that means). Meantime you defend a AG who is a crook
I'll hold my nose and vote for Cruz because Kavanaugh.

This is your post from first page of this thread. it is a good assessment of where y'all are. I think you'll have Trump wannabes because apparently that' works. I'm homeless politically. I don't like the path the Democrats are walking and I won't associate myself with Trump or Paxton.

From Mothra: Great. Awesome. So we nominate the self-aggrandizing buffoon only so that he can get his ass kicked.
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Frank Galvin said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
Ronald Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 went 5 for 6. The one loss was partially just bad luck with Perot. They all had an optimistic view of America and believed the coutnry had an obligation to promote and defend democracy. It is almost impossible for conservatives to have less than 48 senators and we will have a conservative Supreme Court for decades.

edit: I would add McCain, Romney, Bush 1 (and Dole) lost to two extremely gifted politicians who had skills well beyond what I see in anybody present in today's Democrats. McCain and Dole had terrible timing to be candidates based on economic factors. All meaning that what I call (and what I used to be) "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans can still win elections
Bush 2 lost the popular vote, and worse, was a neo-conservative who spent like a liberal and did far worse than anything Trump has done by getting us into a needless and costly war, destabilizing the ME and getting hundreds of thousands of people killed, including thousands of our boys, who ended up maimed or dead. If you recall, your side of the aisle called him a war criminal. Do we really want a return to that?

And Romney and McCain (another war monger) both lost soundly and decisively to Obama, who BTW had a pretty poor approval rating the second time around. Sure, he was a better candidate than Biden or Harris, but the Repubs also ran what should have been on paper a much better candidate from a likability standpoint, and were still soundly beaten.

Sorry, but I just don't think a return to the party of the country club neo-con republicans is a winning strategy. They were on the way out when McCain and Romney lost...
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Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
First, you're the Republican, not I, what are you hoping for post-Trump? You guys have made MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, and Hawley spokesmen. for you. You nominated, Dole, McCain, Romney, HW Bush and W Bush and I voted for every one of them only to find out now you think they are loser "neocon' (whatever that means). Meantime you defend a AG who is a crook
I'll hold my nose and vote for Cruz because Kavanaugh.

This is your post from first page of this thread. it is a good assessment of where y'all are. I think you'll have Trump wannabes because apparently that' works. I'm homeless politically. I don't like the path the Democrats are walking and I won't associate myself with Trump or Paxton.

From Mothra: Great. Awesome. So we nominate the self-aggrandizing buffoon only so that he can get his ass kicked.
Let me help you with your facts:

1) Never been a registered Republican in my life. I vote for them in national elections, mostly because the other side has gotten so extreme. I'd describe myself as a conservative. Never been a Republican.

2) I asked because you've repeatedly decried what the Republican Party has turned into the last 4 years. One would think if you like to ***** and moan about it incessantly, you'd have an idea of what you'd prefer. But if you're too timid to share your views, or are incapable of doing so, so be it. I certainly understand.

3) Unlike you, I WILL answer the question. I'd like to see the Repubs move away from extreme populist MAGA, but incorporate some elements. I'd love to get rid of the idiots you referenced. I can't stand the MGTs of the world. And I hate Trump's divisive rhetoric and petty grievances. But I do like some of the elements he has brought to the party. In short, I'd prefer a party that has traditional Republican values on spending, the deficit, and the size of govt., which seems to have been on the outs since the Bush 2 years (and has continued under Trump).

I'd like to return to traditional Republican roots on foreign policy, which is walk softly and carry a big stick. The neo-con Bush I and Bush II years that you loved are not traditional Republican roots. I am thankful that Trump has returned to the walk softly and carry a big stick roots of the Republican Party. That is how Reagan operated.

I like that Trump has brought in Hispanics and more African Americans to the party. I also like that he has brought in the traditional blue collar factory worker. I like being the party of the little guy and working man, and not merely the party of the big corporation. And I like protecting our domestic jobs, instead of shipping them out to third world countries.

In short, I like the fact the party now appeals to more than the white country club Repubs. It's those guys - the Bushes and Cheneys of the world - who've had the hardest time with Trump. They hate his non-aggressive stance when it comes to the world. Hell, Adam Kinzinger essentially admitted recently that Trump's foreign policy is the number one reason he won't vote for him. And that's fine with me. I'd prefer not to be the party of war mongers anymore. That hasn't gotten us anywhere the last 25 years.

4) I think Trump is going to lose. Been saying that since 2020. My idea hasn't changed. I think he's a bad candidate, and that if he had chosen not to run and the Repubs had gone with someone like DeSantis, he'd be up big over Harris right now, especially if he had Trump's blessing.

But I also realize, as I've said for years, that he's far better than the current iteration of the Democrat Party. And though I don't like him personally, nor do I like all of his policies, I know that his policies will be far better for me and my family, as a conservative. He's not going to tax the **** out of us. He's not going to involve us in unnecessary wars. He's not going to instill woke policies throughout all levels of govt. and the military. He's not going to allow open borders. He's going to put conservative judges on the bench, and the Supreme Court. And he's not going to install economic policies that make it harder for people to afford food and housing.

That's why the choice to vote for he self-aggrandizing Republican buffoon over the liberal buffoon should be such an easy one for actual conservatives.
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Redbrickbear said:

Frank Galvin said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
Ronald Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 went 5 for 6. The one loss was partially just bad luck with Perot. They all had an optimistic view of America and believed the coutnry had an obligation to promote and defend democracy. It is almost impossible for conservatives to have less than 48 senators and we will have a conservative Supreme Court for decades.


Through the wonders of mass 3rd world migration anything is possible.

Springfield Ohio went from have less than 1% of its population being Haitian to having 34% of its population being Haitian in just 2 years.

California went from 76.3-78% of the state's population being native born White in 1980 to 36.5% in 2019

(From solidly Red to solidly Blue in almost no time at all)

You can change anything given enough migration and a few decades


Especially with the difference in birth rates.
We had 3 kids…….an illegal we knew in Socorro Texas had 27 kids….at least.
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I'd describe myself as a conservative. Never been a Republican.
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I like being the party of the little guy and working man

I'd prefer not to be the party of war mongers anymore.
Sounds a little like you are being a bit disingenuous with that first statement, similar, but in the opposite direction of what those "lifelong Republican" turned Democrats always seem to claim. They tout their "former affiliation" while you deny any former or current connection, yet speak of the party in terms only a member would use.

Why are so many so afraid of the Democrats that they either feel the need to score points by proclaiming that they have seen the light, or by acting as if they aren't really what they are voting for and would surely come back home if only...? It's really a strange phenomena.
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Malbec said:

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I'd describe myself as a conservative. Never been a Republican.
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I like being the party of the little guy and working man

I'd prefer not to be the party of war mongers anymore.
Sounds a little like you are being a bit disingenuous with that first statement, similar, but in the opposite direction of what those "lifelong Republican" turned Democrats always seem to claim. They tout their "former affiliation" while you deny any former or current connection, yet speak of the party in terms only a member would use.

Why are so many so afraid of the Democrats that they either feel the need to score points by proclaiming that they have seen the light, or by acting as if they aren't really what they are voting for and would surely come back home if only...? It's really a strange phenomena.


Not sure what's disingenuous. Never been a registered Republican at any point.

Am a conservative and always have been.
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Mothra said:

Frank Galvin said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

"If I have to decide who is more likely to be truthful, Trump, Mattis, McMaster or Kelly, I'll take the generals.
-Oso

love the faulty premise that generals are not political animals.

there is an old adage amongst retired military officers that "the guys who retire as brigadiers are the warriors," meaning to suggest that they lacked the political acumen to accumulate more stars.



The premise is the generals are more likely to be truthful
You're way too jaded to really believe that.


Let's talk when the generals say Trump won 2020 and pets are eaten in Ohio


If the Generals DON'T say pets are being eaten in Ohio, you can be sure they are playing politics.







Pet eating has always been the issue undecided voters care about, second only to Trump's victory in 2020
It's a sign of the times, a glaring avatar for the chaos and dysfunction facing ordinary people which has been CAUSED by bad policy. It builds on the narrative that Democrats in general and Biden/Harris in particular are not just incompetent but oblivious to the harm they're causing.

And, to top it all off, Muir stuck a knife in ABC's own kidney quoting the city manager's denial of it happening in order to defend Harris. ABC is the functional equivalent of the DNC press office.

Moderate Republicans cannot come to grips with the reality that our campaign opponent is really not Harris but rather the media. The MRs cannot shake the the instinct to accept the constraints and be willing to lose nobly rather than attack the adversaries we have.
It's never Trump's fault
I agree. The neverTrumpers are indeed responsible for many of the problems besetting the country.


And there we have it
What about RINOs & MRs? It's all their fault, right?


I truly am curious, what are you hoping the Republican party will do after Trump either loses or leaves office? Are you hoping for a Mitt Romney type party? Or a dick Cheney neocon type party? Just trying to figure out what it is exactly you want. Would also like to know how you think it has a chance in hell of winning an election.

Mitt Romney and John McCain, don't win elections my friend.
Ronald Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 went 5 for 6. The one loss was partially just bad luck with Perot. They all had an optimistic view of America and believed the coutnry had an obligation to promote and defend democracy. It is almost impossible for conservatives to have less than 48 senators and we will have a conservative Supreme Court for decades.

edit: I would add McCain, Romney, Bush 1 (and Dole) lost to two extremely gifted politicians who had skills well beyond what I see in anybody present in today's Democrats. McCain and Dole had terrible timing to be candidates based on economic factors. All meaning that what I call (and what I used to be) "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans can still win elections
Bush 2 lost the popular vote, and worse, was a neo-conservative who spent like a liberal and did far worse than anything Trump has done by getting us into a needless and costly war, destabilizing the ME and getting hundreds of thousands of people killed, including thousands of our boys, who ended up maimed or dead. If you recall, your side of the aisle called him a war criminal. Do we really want a return to that?

And Romney and McCain (another war monger) both lost soundly and decisively to Obama, who BTW had a pretty poor approval rating the second time around. Sure, he was a better candidate than Biden or Harris, but the Repubs also ran what should have been on paper a much better candidate from a likability standpoint, and were still soundly beaten.

Sorry, but I just don't think a return to the party of the country club neo-con republicans is a winning strategy. They were on the way out when McCain and Romney lost...
This straw man is getting tiresome. The choice isn't between an establishment/moderate/Neocon or Trump.

Who out of popular GOP politicos right now falls under the former? I can't think of any. Some would say Haley, but I disagree. Same with Pence (although he doesn't have enough of a following to even count.)

And BTW, Trump talks a big game now, but he supported the Iraq war before declaring it a promising campaign issue. He provided weapons to Ukraine. He took out Solemani. I could go on and on.
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Mothra said:

Malbec said:

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I'd describe myself as a conservative. Never been a Republican.
Quote:

I like being the party of the little guy and working man

I'd prefer not to be the party of war mongers anymore.
Sounds a little like you are being a bit disingenuous with that first statement, similar, but in the opposite direction of what those "lifelong Republican" turned Democrats always seem to claim. They tout their "former affiliation" while you deny any former or current connection, yet speak of the party in terms only a member would use.

Why are so many so afraid of the Democrats that they either feel the need to score points by proclaiming that they have seen the light, or by acting as if they aren't really what they are voting for and would surely come back home if only...? It's really a strange phenomena.


Not sure what's disingenuous. Never been a registered Republican at any point.

Am a conservative and always have been.


Texas doesn't have party registration, so nobody in Texas is a registered Republican. You are a self identified Conservative, & I accept that
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Mothra said:

Malbec said:

Quote:

I'd describe myself as a conservative. Never been a Republican.
Quote:

I like being the party of the little guy and working man

I'd prefer not to be the party of war mongers anymore.
Sounds a little like you are being a bit disingenuous with that first statement, similar, but in the opposite direction of what those "lifelong Republican" turned Democrats always seem to claim. They tout their "former affiliation" while you deny any former or current connection, yet speak of the party in terms only a member would use.

Why are so many so afraid of the Democrats that they either feel the need to score points by proclaiming that they have seen the light, or by acting as if they aren't really what they are voting for and would surely come back home if only...? It's really a strange phenomena.


Not sure what's disingenuous. Never been a registered Republican at any point.

Am a conservative and always have been.
I simply meant that you made a point to distance yourself from the party, and then proceeded to attach yourself to it with how you "like being the party..."
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