FLBear5630 said:The goofy thing to say is that Nunland having a conversation about Democracy in 2014 gave Russia the right to invade. That is goofy. You seem to have fixation on Nunland,Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Are we still on that? These nasty people hurt Putin's feelings so he invaded. Got it...Redbrickbear said:
Speaking of the intersection of domestic politics and Ukraine war.....
[Robert Kagan, William Kristol's longtime collaborator and Victoria Nuland's husband, has been an unremitting opponent of Donald Trump.
The prominent neoconservative Robert Kagan has resigned his position as an editor at large at the Washington Post due to the paper's Friday decision not to endorse a candidate for president. ]
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/neocon-grandee-kagan-resigns-over-post-non-endorsement/
[Kagan has had a long career within neoconservative politics, founding with William Kristol of the Project for a New American Century. Both Kagan and Kristol advocating for regime-change in Iraq long-before the Iraq war, including in a New York Times op-ed in 1998. Throughout the conflict, Kagan repeatedly praised the Iraq War, declaring victory multiple times, praising the "surge," and claiming after the invasion that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were merely yet to be found. More recently, Kagan has served as a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
Kagan is married to Victoria Nuland, a State Department official best known for her hawkish and anti-Russian views, including for her role in Ukraine's 2014 "Maidan" Color Revolution, and her promotion of the Russiagate hoax.]
An extremely simplistic and goofy thing to say... but ok
Maybe more its proof that we have some wack job neo-cons & liberal interventionists running the foreign policy of the USA.....who have been working hard for decades to get us into conflicts in parts of the world with very little importance to the geostrategic security concerns of the USA
And that at home they freak out when any candidate runs on a platform of reassessing our foreign policy and moving it away from interventionism
They also just happen to be bad people as well....Kagan is actively throwing a hissy fit and trying to get the editor of the Post fired because the paper won't come out against the Republican nominee for President
1. No one said a single conversation gave anyone a right to anything.
(did show she was kind of a jerk with the whole "**** the EU" thing and that she was strangely happy a domestic coup in Kyiv had been sparked off)
2. She is a major figure on foreign policy...so is her husband (the post above is specifically about him...not her)
You don't think they matter or don't have influence in DC?
[Robert Kagan has had a long career within neoconservative politics, founding with William Kristol of the Project for a New American Century. Both Kagan and Kristol advocating for regime-change in Iraq long-before the Iraq war, including in a New York Times op-ed in 1998. Throughout the conflict, Kagan repeatedly praised the Iraq War, declaring victory multiple times, praising the "surge," and claiming after the invasion that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were merely yet to be found. More recently, Kagan has served as a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.[
[ambassador Victoria Nuland assumed her position as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs on September 18, 2013. As Assistant Secretary she is responsible for diplomatic relations with 50 countries in Europe and Eurasia, as well as with NATO, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Previously, Ambassador Nuland served as State Department Spokesperson.
Ambassador Nuland was Special Envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe from February 2010 until June 2011, and before that, she served on the faculty of the National War College. Ambassador Nuland was the 18th United States Permanent Representative to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization from 2005 to 2008. As NATO Ambassador, she focused heavily on ...NATO-Russia issues, and on the Alliance's global partnerships and continued enlargement.
A career Foreign Service officer, Ambassador Nuland was Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President from 2003 to 2005, and the U.S. Deputy Permanent Representative to NATO from 2000 until 2003. She also served as Deputy to the Ambassador- at-Large for the Newly Independent States of the former Soviet Union, with primary responsibility for U.S. policy towards Russia and the Caucasus countries, and was twice a visiting fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations -- as a "Next Generation" Fellow looking at the effects of anti-Americanism on U.S. relations around the world, and as a State Department Fellow directing a task force on "Russia, its Neighbors and an Expanding NATO."]
