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Osodecentx said:

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President-elect Donald Trump plans to fire the entire team that worked with special counsel Jack Smith to pursue two federal prosecutions against the former president, including career attorneys typically protected from political retribution, according to two individuals close to Trump's transition.

Trump is also planning to assemble investigative teams within the Justice Department to hunt for evidence in battleground states that fraud tainted the 2020 election, one of the people said.

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GOOD!

why would anyone be troubled by this, given the outrageous things we have seen in election fraud and lawfare?

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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President-elect Donald Trump plans to fire the entire team that worked with special counsel Jack Smith to pursue two federal prosecutions against the former president, including career attorneys typically protected from political retribution, according to two individuals close to Trump's transition.

Trump is also planning to assemble investigative teams within the Justice Department to hunt for evidence in battleground states that fraud tainted the 2020 election, one of the people said.

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GOOD!

why would anyone be troubled by this, given the outrageous things we have seen in election fraud and lawfare?

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Ending lawfare with lawfare?

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Osodecentx said:

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President-elect Donald Trump plans to fire the entire team that worked with special counsel Jack Smith to pursue two federal prosecutions against the former president, including career attorneys typically protected from political retribution, according to two individuals close to Trump's transition.

Trump is also planning to assemble investigative teams within the Justice Department to hunt for evidence in battleground states that fraud tainted the 2020 election, one of the people said.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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President-elect Donald Trump plans to fire the entire team that worked with special counsel Jack Smith to pursue two federal prosecutions against the former president, including career attorneys typically protected from political retribution, according to two individuals close to Trump's transition.

Trump is also planning to assemble investigative teams within the Justice Department to hunt for evidence in battleground states that fraud tainted the 2020 election, one of the people said.

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GOOD!

why would anyone be troubled by this, given the outrageous things we have seen in election fraud and lawfare?

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Ending lawfare with eternal lawfare?

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You end lawfare by inflicting as much pain as is possible so that it is deterred in the future. Heads need to roll.

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GrowlTowel said:

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You end lawfare by inflicting as much pain as is possible so that it is deterred in the future. Heads need to roll.

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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President-elect Donald Trump plans to fire the entire team that worked with special counsel Jack Smith to pursue two federal prosecutions against the former president, including career attorneys typically protected from political retribution, according to two individuals close to Trump's transition.

Trump is also planning to assemble investigative teams within the Justice Department to hunt for evidence in battleground states that fraud tainted the 2020 election, one of the people said.

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GOOD!

why would anyone be troubled by this, given the outrageous things we have seen in election fraud and lawfare?

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Ending lawfare with eternal lawfare?

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Realitybites said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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You end lawfare by inflicting as much pain as is possible so that it is deterred in the future. Heads need to roll.

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Can't do that. They will simply do the same thing the next time they take power. Don't let the size of the electoral college victory fool you with regards to how close the election was in the swing states.

The only way forward is to destroy the infrastructure of tyranny that enabled this to happen. That means closing and eliminating many federal agencies entirely, securing the border, and securing our elections (photo ID, no junk mail ballots, deporting all illegals, cleaning the voter roles, and setting a reasonable time limit (say 24 hours) in which a state must report its result for it to count in a federal election).

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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I'm not tied of winning yet

BREAKING: Donald Trump to restart construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. - Politico pic.twitter.com/In33dX0cv3

— Dominic Michael Tripi (@DMichaelTripi) November 20, 2024

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This is the stuff he needs to focus, not the loony *****

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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I'm not tied of winning yet

BREAKING: Donald Trump to restart construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. - Politico pic.twitter.com/In33dX0cv3

— Dominic Michael Tripi (@DMichaelTripi) November 20, 2024

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This is the stuff he needs to focus, not the loony *****

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The Biden administration damn near gutted the country.
Trump faces a huge task attempting to repair the economic, cultural, and foreign policy damage.

Hope the narrow Republican majorities in the house and senate will focus on the big picture and not let their egos derail Trumps efforts…..but I wouldn't count on it.

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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I'm not tied of winning yet

BREAKING: Donald Trump to restart construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. - Politico pic.twitter.com/In33dX0cv3

— Dominic Michael Tripi (@DMichaelTripi) November 20, 2024

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This is the stuff he needs to focus, not the loony *****

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The Biden administration damn near gutted the country.
Trump faces a huge task attempting to repair the economic, cultural, and foreign policy damage.

Hope the narrow Republican majorities in the house and senate will focus on the big picture and not let their egos derail Trumps efforts…..but I wouldn't count on it.

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Well, we do agree that there are overarching issues that HAVE to be addressed, such as the border, China, national debt, and energy. That is 4 years-worth of effort, I would love to see him focus on those things and less on this "war on the so-called Deep State crap".

I also do not like people like Vivek and Musk taking part in gutting the Organization that provides oversight on their activities. I do not trust Vivek or Musk as far as I can throw a car. I fear we are going to see a gutting of regulation, but all regulation not just those that need to be updated or restructured.

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SCOTUS has already opened the door to eliminate a substantial amount of the administrative state by killing "Chevron deference." Agencies are going to have to provide obvious, compelling justification for future rules or Courts will intervene.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-strikes-down-chevron-curtailing-power-of-federal-agencies/

DOGE will identify the most egregious examples of regulatory rules which are not well tethered to statute and eliminate them, thereby rendering unnecessary the employees who administer them. That will send a powerful message to the remaining administrative state to stifle the impulse to expand power.

So many examples. What Obama did with the Waters of the USA Act to seize regulatory authority far beyond navigable waters, up into faintly identifiable folds in level high ground. What Biden did with Title IX, literally inverting it inside/out to force biological males into spaces previously protected for women. Etc..... Just look at the "pull it out of your ass" levels of overreach in the cases that resulted in overturning Chevron - unreasonable levels of oversight and fines without any statutory justification whatsoever....actually deciding to charge businesses for the cost of having regulators on site (when the law actually empowered neither the on-site regulation nor the charge for it.)

Chevron drove 3 decades of massive expansion of the administrative state. Paring it back by a third or more would be quite healthy for all concerned. It's also going to make Congress work a lot harder. They can no longer pass a bill full of authority and delegate all the parameters for bureaucrats to flesh out over time.

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Not trusting them is a healthy attitude. Right now it's all talk and many of us like what we hear. But the proof is in the pudding. They must also deliver and the institutional pushback will be fierce. Whatever you call it, the deep state is fierce & very powerful. This is why it must be dismantled & reduced.

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

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Really? Problems they try to solve are created by Government? Seems to me they are created by the greed and corruption of people. You wouldn't have the need for regulations if people were responsible and didn't pollute or exploit workers or anyone of a thousand different abuses. If you see a regulation it is there because someone's abused or it wouldn't exist.

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

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Really? Problems they try to solve are created by Government? Seems to me they are created by the greed and corruption of people. You wouldn't have the need for regulations if people were responsible and didn't pollute or exploit workers or anyone of a thousand different abuses. If you see a regulation it is there because someone's abused or it wouldn't exist.

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LOL

Not even close to true.

Many of the auto industry regulations have to do with non-sense like climate change. There are plenty of other regulations that are due to safety concerns and such, but the most impactful are due to politically motivated crap.

During the 60s there were "safety" regulations that were totally madeup too. For example, auto industry stopped making big, elaborate hood ornaments because they were told that such things could kill women & children who were struck by a car at a cross walk. I challenge you to find the hundreds or even dozens of deaths that were directly caused by hood ornaments... they never existed.

So no, not every regulation is there because of abuse or need.

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

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Really? Problems they try to solve are created by Government? Seems to me they are created by the greed and corruption of people. You wouldn't have the need for regulations if people were responsible and didn't pollute or exploit workers or anyone of a thousand different abuses. If you see a regulation it is there because someone's abused or it wouldn't exist.

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LOL

Not even close to true.

Many of the auto industry regulations have to do with non-sense like climate change. There are plenty of other regulations that are due to safety concerns and such, but the most impactful are due to politically motivated crap.

During the 60s there were "safety" regulations that were totally madeup too. For example, auto industry stopped making big, elaborate hood ornaments because they were told that such things could kill women & children who were struck by a car at a cross walk. I challenge you to find the hundreds or even dozens of deaths that were directly caused by hood ornaments... they never existed.

So no, not every regulation is there because of abuse or need.

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Ah, key phrase... "Not every Regulation". Agree 100%. Do we need to get rid of some? Yes. Are there others that should be in place, but aren't? Yes. Do some do what they were intended? Yes. It is not a cookie cutter or across the board proposition. We can't just get rid of a reg because it was put in place by a Govt. Even the hood ornament at the time was thought to solve a problem. I would bet if you look into it further, you would find you can put one on a car, like Mercedes or Cadilac, but the safety reg makes it cost prohibitive for most models. Or, they are just blaming the Govt to cut costs... I would bet that OEMs can put hood ornaments on cars.

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

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Really? Problems they try to solve are created by Government? Seems to me they are created by the greed and corruption of people. You wouldn't have the need for regulations if people were responsible and didn't pollute or exploit workers or anyone of a thousand different abuses. If you see a regulation it is there because someone's abused or it wouldn't exist.

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LOL

Not even close to true.

Many of the auto industry regulations have to do with non-sense like climate change. There are plenty of other regulations that are due to safety concerns and such, but the most impactful are due to politically motivated crap.

During the 60s there were "safety" regulations that were totally madeup too. For example, auto industry stopped making big, elaborate hood ornaments because they were told that such things could kill women & children who were struck by a car at a cross walk. I challenge you to find the hundreds or even dozens of deaths that were directly caused by hood ornaments... they never existed.

So no, not every regulation is there because of abuse or need.

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Ah, key phrase... "Not every Regulation". Agree 100%. Do we need to get rid of some? Yes. Are there others that should be in place, but aren't? Yes. Do some do what they were intended? Yes. It is not a cookie cutter or across the board proposition. We can't just get rid of a reg because it was put in place by a Govt. Even the hood ornament at the time was thought to solve a problem. I would bet if you look into it further, you would find you can put one on a car, like Mercedes or Cadilac, but the safety reg makes it cost prohibitive for most models. Or, they are just blaming the Govt to cut costs... I would bet that OEMs can put hood ornaments on cars.

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You kinda missed the point on the hood ornament.
The government put a regulation that all hood ornaments had to be spring loaded or retractable, so that they would not pose a threat to pedestrians.

Auto makers eventually got rid of them for their own reasons over time. The point is that the regulation was created because of some perceived idea, and NOT because of real world data or events.

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4th and Inches said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

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Really? Problems they try to solve are created by Government? Seems to me they are created by the greed and corruption of people. You wouldn't have the need for regulations if people were responsible and didn't pollute or exploit workers or anyone of a thousand different abuses. If you see a regulation it is there because someone's abused or it wouldn't exist.

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LOL

Not even close to true.

Many of the auto industry regulations have to do with non-sense like climate change. There are plenty of other regulations that are due to safety concerns and such, but the most impactful are due to politically motivated crap.

During the 60s there were "safety" regulations that were totally madeup too. For example, auto industry stopped making big, elaborate hood ornaments because they were told that such things could kill women & children who were struck by a car at a cross walk. I challenge you to find the hundreds or even dozens of deaths that were directly caused by hood ornaments... they never existed.

So no, not every regulation is there because of abuse or need.

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Ah, key phrase... "Not every Regulation". Agree 100%. Do we need to get rid of some? Yes. Are there others that should be in place, but aren't? Yes. Do some do what they were intended? Yes. It is not a cookie cutter or across the board proposition. We can't just get rid of a reg because it was put in place by a Govt. Even the hood ornament at the time was thought to solve a problem. I would bet if you look into it further, you would find you can put one on a car, like Mercedes or Cadilac, but the safety reg makes it cost prohibitive for most models. Or, they are just blaming the Govt to cut costs... I would bet that OEMs can put hood ornaments on cars.

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You kinda missed the point on the hood ornament.
The government put a regulation that all hood ornaments had to be spring loaded or retractable, so that they would not pose a threat to pedestrians.

Auto makers eventually got rid of them for their own reasons over time. The point is that the regulation was created because of some perceived idea, and NOT because of real world data or events.

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bring back hood ornaments 2028!

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4th and Inches said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

---

Really? Problems they try to solve are created by Government? Seems to me they are created by the greed and corruption of people. You wouldn't have the need for regulations if people were responsible and didn't pollute or exploit workers or anyone of a thousand different abuses. If you see a regulation it is there because someone's abused or it wouldn't exist.

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LOL

Not even close to true.

Many of the auto industry regulations have to do with non-sense like climate change. There are plenty of other regulations that are due to safety concerns and such, but the most impactful are due to politically motivated crap.

During the 60s there were "safety" regulations that were totally madeup too. For example, auto industry stopped making big, elaborate hood ornaments because they were told that such things could kill women & children who were struck by a car at a cross walk. I challenge you to find the hundreds or even dozens of deaths that were directly caused by hood ornaments... they never existed.

So no, not every regulation is there because of abuse or need.

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Ah, key phrase... "Not every Regulation". Agree 100%. Do we need to get rid of some? Yes. Are there others that should be in place, but aren't? Yes. Do some do what they were intended? Yes. It is not a cookie cutter or across the board proposition. We can't just get rid of a reg because it was put in place by a Govt. Even the hood ornament at the time was thought to solve a problem. I would bet if you look into it further, you would find you can put one on a car, like Mercedes or Cadilac, but the safety reg makes it cost prohibitive for most models. Or, they are just blaming the Govt to cut costs... I would bet that OEMs can put hood ornaments on cars.

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You kinda missed the point on the hood ornament.
The government put a regulation that all hood ornaments had to be spring loaded or retractable, so that they would not pose a threat to pedestrians.

Auto makers eventually got rid of them for their own reasons over time. The point is that the regulation was created because of some perceived idea, and NOT because of real world data or events.

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bring back hood ornaments 2028!

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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The problem we all need to recognize is that whatever problems the government tries to solve are usually created by the government in the first place. We need to seriously rethink what we want to trust the government to do.

Vaccines are great examples of modern medical miracles, when they are properly tested and all implications are understood. Basically this includes all the vaccines we have been taking for decades. But when the government rushes through a vaccine for a "sudden emergency" (covid) created in a Chinese lab with aid from corrupt American officials (Dr Fauci, etc) and then they lie to everyone about it and try to censor & destroy anyone who questions their scam, then we have very good reasons NOT to trust them. The government has corrupted health care just like they have corrupted everything else they touch.

Government at all levels repeatedly confirms that it cannot be trusted with power and thus should have it reduced whenever possible.

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Really? Problems they try to solve are created by Government? Seems to me they are created by the greed and corruption of people. You wouldn't have the need for regulations if people were responsible and didn't pollute or exploit workers or anyone of a thousand different abuses. If you see a regulation it is there because someone's abused or it wouldn't exist.

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LOL

Not even close to true.

Many of the auto industry regulations have to do with non-sense like climate change. There are plenty of other regulations that are due to safety concerns and such, but the most impactful are due to politically motivated crap.

During the 60s there were "safety" regulations that were totally madeup too. For example, auto industry stopped making big, elaborate hood ornaments because they were told that such things could kill women & children who were struck by a car at a cross walk. I challenge you to find the hundreds or even dozens of deaths that were directly caused by hood ornaments... they never existed.

So no, not every regulation is there because of abuse or need.

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Ah, key phrase... "Not every Regulation". Agree 100%. Do we need to get rid of some? Yes. Are there others that should be in place, but aren't? Yes. Do some do what they were intended? Yes. It is not a cookie cutter or across the board proposition. We can't just get rid of a reg because it was put in place by a Govt. Even the hood ornament at the time was thought to solve a problem. I would bet if you look into it further, you would find you can put one on a car, like Mercedes or Cadilac, but the safety reg makes it cost prohibitive for most models. Or, they are just blaming the Govt to cut costs... I would bet that OEMs can put hood ornaments on cars.

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You kinda missed the point on the hood ornament.
The government put a regulation that all hood ornaments had to be spring loaded or retractable, so that they would not pose a threat to pedestrians.

Auto makers eventually got rid of them for their own reasons over time. The point is that the regulation was created because of some perceived idea, and NOT because of real world data or events.

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bring back hood ornaments 2028!

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I think every car should have one. No, be required to have them.

I want a MAHOGA hat...

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