The Big Payback - Reparations in Evanston IL
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Last: 1 yr ago by Golem
Yep. Bleks have gotten more than $20T in reparations and more in affirmative action. It will NEVER be enough.
Additional millions of unemployable illegals to support each year.
Billions in foreign aid to Ukraine and other countries.
Devastating the economy with mindless woke green energy programs .
Trillions in reparations for a growing list of 'victims'…… none of whom have been legitimate 'victims' for generations.
None of this is remotely sustainable.
Economic collapse is inevitable.
Billions in foreign aid to Ukraine and other countries.
Devastating the economy with mindless woke green energy programs .
Trillions in reparations for a growing list of 'victims'…… none of whom have been legitimate 'victims' for generations.
None of this is remotely sustainable.
Economic collapse is inevitable.
Reparations in the Free State of Illinois? Does that mean someone is finally discussing expressing a little gratitude for the hundreds of thousands of families whose loved ones died fighting a war that set people free? Or is this more of - "your family died so mine could be free. Pay us more trillions."
Or is this reparations for the billions of dollars of damage done by the BLM frauds and Antifa terrorists?
Or is this reparations for the billions of dollars of damage done by the BLM frauds and Antifa terrorists?
If we're being completely honest in this conversation, the reality is that the Africans whose ancestors were not transported to the United States are the ones who have been economically disadvantaged and left behind. That includes the vast majority of slaves that never made it out of Brazil or the Caribbean.
The economic value equation of slavery has been so overstated as to be absurd.
The economic value equation of slavery has been so overstated as to be absurd.
Correct. Ask LeBron James if he had a time machine would he do it over again regarding his first enslaved ancestor (who was 99% likely enslaved by an African).ATL Bear said:
If we're being completely honest in this conversation, the reality is that the Africans whose ancestors were not transported to the United States are the ones who have been economically disadvantaged and left behind. That includes the vast majority of slaves that never made it out of Brazil or the Caribbean.
The economic value equation of slavery has been so overstated as to be absurd.
Africans who immigrate to the United States make more money than the average as an ethnic group, and it is the wealthiest place in the world for Africans. So we need to stop pretending there is some systematic problem causing dysfunction in the blek community the requires redress. There are plenty of very successful and brilliant African Americans and have been for more than a century ... this is nothing but yet another special interest group race hustling for our money, but the Race Card is so strong most are afraid to call their bull*****
The beatings will continue until morale improves
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
The the African-American community should address them. It's ultimate racism to act as if African-Americans are still slaves and lack agency.
What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
There was once a time for reparations, and until Republicans abandoned Reconstruction, there was hope that some justice would be done. Reconstruction certainly started off well for the newly freedmen.
The issue is it has been too long since anyone was directly impacted by slavery. Many descendants of slaves are now wealthy, and bloodlines are so mixed and clear records absent that figuring out who is truly the descendant of a slave is difficult bordering on impossible.
If we had records that could show direct lineages for all descendants of slaves, I would be on favor of some form of reparations for those who are still mired in generational poverty.
The thing is, we can do that, go to war with generational poverty, and we don't need to brand it as reparation. If a person in America lacks basic necessities and will statistically not ever be able to pull themselves out of poverty, passing it down to their children, does it matter who their ancestors were? Does it matter what color their skin is?
Democrats could get this type of help to the impoverished much more quickly than reparations, but would never even consider it. They want to be on the moral high road and win completely. Ration, logic, common sense be damned.
The issue is it has been too long since anyone was directly impacted by slavery. Many descendants of slaves are now wealthy, and bloodlines are so mixed and clear records absent that figuring out who is truly the descendant of a slave is difficult bordering on impossible.
If we had records that could show direct lineages for all descendants of slaves, I would be on favor of some form of reparations for those who are still mired in generational poverty.
The thing is, we can do that, go to war with generational poverty, and we don't need to brand it as reparation. If a person in America lacks basic necessities and will statistically not ever be able to pull themselves out of poverty, passing it down to their children, does it matter who their ancestors were? Does it matter what color their skin is?
Democrats could get this type of help to the impoverished much more quickly than reparations, but would never even consider it. They want to be on the moral high road and win completely. Ration, logic, common sense be damned.
Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
How much do we pay LeBron James? Oprah? Clarence Thomas? Does Barack Obama just pay himself? Please advise if you would be so kind.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Slavery to the democrats, to fatherless homes, to growing up with a planned parenthood clinic in the neighborhood.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
New slavery teaches
Democrats are good
Planned Parenthood is good
Fathers unnecessary
You are a victim
How is it false?Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
No one alive today was ever a slave owner or slave.
The fallout from slavery is over except for people like you and others on the left that want to pretend it still exists and that blacks just can't get on from it because of racism/slavery effects but then ignore when we have large numbers of blacks who have done that and become successful.
Sorry but your take is 'ridiculously false' Porteroso.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
You can make something of a claim that Racism remains an issue to address. especially at a Cultural level, but that would morally require the observation that Blacks are now Racist at least as often as any other race.
There is effectively zero systemic racism in the US, excepting Affirmative Action programs. Individual hate behavior still exists, but is commonly a product of Cultural indoctrination more than anything else.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
White guilt pays - and pays big.
Many have reaped from its fertile grounds.
Just ask Patrisse Cullors and her 5 mansions.
Many have reaped from its fertile grounds.
Just ask Patrisse Cullors and her 5 mansions.
cowboycwr said:How is it false?Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
No one alive today was ever a slave owner or slave.
The fallout from slavery is over except for people like you and others on the left that want to pretend it still exists and that blacks just can't get on from it because of racism/slavery effects but then ignore when we have large numbers of blacks who have done that and become successful.
If only it was that easy to right such a massive wrong. Make it illegal and wait till everyone involved is dead. If you can't already see how incorrect that is, there is no explaining it to you.
Oldbear83 said:Sorry but your take is 'ridiculously false' Porteroso.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
You can make something of a claim that Racism remains an issue to address. especially at a Cultural level, but that would morally require the observation that Blacks are now Racist at least as often as any other race.
There is effectively zero systemic racism in the US, excepting Affirmative Action programs. Individual hate behavior still exists, but is commonly a product of Cultural indoctrination more than anything else.
We can have a separate discussion of systemic racism. Thats not what I'm talking about. Even if racism had completely ended, there would be fallout to slavery. If you deny a people education and knowledge for generations, you can't just fix it with a law. The fact that such a huge percentage of blacks living in generational poverty can trace the roots of that poverty back to slavery proves nothing but should make you consider whether maybe slavery had consequences. White share croppers too, for that matter.
I am all for personal esponsibility, but there are entire zip codes where statistically, for generations, very few raise themselves out of poverty. Living next to one presents a reality to me that you might just not see, and that's ok. The system has failed these people hard. Not talking about systemic racism, just busted education and social services. And when it has been this way going straight back to slavery, it becomes especially clear slavery had something to do with it. That and a failed Reconstruction that left many blacks even worse off than the day they were freed.
You, Sir, don't need to wait on us to get over your white guilt. Go ahead and just write two checks each month. One for the Climate Change warriors and the second one for slave reparations. Do it. Nobody is stopping you.Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:Sorry but your take is 'ridiculously false' Porteroso.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
You can make something of a claim that Racism remains an issue to address. especially at a Cultural level, but that would morally require the observation that Blacks are now Racist at least as often as any other race.
There is effectively zero systemic racism in the US, excepting Affirmative Action programs. Individual hate behavior still exists, but is commonly a product of Cultural indoctrination more than anything else.
We can have a separate discussion of systemic racism. Thats not what I'm talking about. Even if racism had completely ended, there would be fallout to slavery. If you deny a people education and knowledge for generations, you can't just fix it with a law. The fact that such a huge percentage of blacks living in generational poverty can trace the roots of that poverty back to slavery proves nothing but should make you consider whether maybe slavery had consequences. White share croppers too, for that matter.
I am all for personal esponsibility, but there are entire zip codes where statistically, for generations, very few raise themselves out of poverty. Living next to one presents a reality to me that you might just not see, and that's ok. The system has failed these people hard. Not talking about systemic racism, just busted education and social services. And when it has been this way going straight back to slavery, it becomes especially clear slavery had something to do with it. That and a failed Reconstruction that left many blacks even worse off than the day they were freed.
P.S.- My apologies if I referred to you with the wrong pronoun.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
You, Sir, don't need to wait on us to get over your white guilt. Go ahead and just write two checks each month. One for the Climate Change warriors and the second one for slave reparations. Do it. Nobody is stopping you.
P.S.- My apologies if I referred to you with the wrong pronoun.
As I said, I am not in favor of reparations, but I am in favor of the federal government doing a better job helping people out of generational poverty. Too fine a line for you?
Sorry but that is utter bilge, the product of 'bad things happen so I'm going to find someone to blame' pseudopsychology.Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:Sorry but your take is 'ridiculously false' Porteroso.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
You can make something of a claim that Racism remains an issue to address. especially at a Cultural level, but that would morally require the observation that Blacks are now Racist at least as often as any other race.
There is effectively zero systemic racism in the US, excepting Affirmative Action programs. Individual hate behavior still exists, but is commonly a product of Cultural indoctrination more than anything else.
We can have a separate discussion of systemic racism. Thats not what I'm talking about. Even if racism had completely ended, there would be fallout to slavery. If you deny a people education and knowledge for generations, you can't just fix it with a law. The fact that such a huge percentage of blacks living in generational poverty can trace the roots of that poverty back to slavery proves nothing but should make you consider whether maybe slavery had consequences. White share croppers too, for that matter.
I am all for personal esponsibility, but there are entire zip codes where statistically, for generations, very few raise themselves out of poverty. Living next to one presents a reality to me that you might just not see, and that's ok. The system has failed these people hard. Not talking about systemic racism, just busted education and social services. And when it has been this way going straight back to slavery, it becomes especially clear slavery had something to do with it. That and a failed Reconstruction that left many blacks even worse off than the day they were freed.
Slavery ended in 1865 in the United States. Ergo, the direct effects of Slavery ended with the children who were alive in 1865. By now Slavery is a historical episode, worthy of examination and discussion but no more a direct factor in anyone's life than the style of boots worn by Antebellum soldiers.
Conflating Poverty and Slavery is very Woke but has nothing in the way of real substance. I agree that Education and Culture and a range of factors are present as causes for both Poverty and Prosperity, but it's intellectually lazy, verging on dishonest, to lay it all on one cause, however handy the villain.
Don't forget that freed slaves in many cases immediately became successful. The first Blacks elected to Congress were in 1870; both the House and Senate. Many black Americans were successful entrepreneurs and businessmen, too. Some did not thrive, but again there are a plethora of reasons for that, not just the scapegoat you want to beat.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:Sorry but that is utter bilge, the product of 'bad things happen so I'm going to find someone to blame' pseudopsychology.Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:Sorry but your take is 'ridiculously false' Porteroso.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
You can make something of a claim that Racism remains an issue to address. especially at a Cultural level, but that would morally require the observation that Blacks are now Racist at least as often as any other race.
There is effectively zero systemic racism in the US, excepting Affirmative Action programs. Individual hate behavior still exists, but is commonly a product of Cultural indoctrination more than anything else.
We can have a separate discussion of systemic racism. Thats not what I'm talking about. Even if racism had completely ended, there would be fallout to slavery. If you deny a people education and knowledge for generations, you can't just fix it with a law. The fact that such a huge percentage of blacks living in generational poverty can trace the roots of that poverty back to slavery proves nothing but should make you consider whether maybe slavery had consequences. White share croppers too, for that matter.
I am all for personal esponsibility, but there are entire zip codes where statistically, for generations, very few raise themselves out of poverty. Living next to one presents a reality to me that you might just not see, and that's ok. The system has failed these people hard. Not talking about systemic racism, just busted education and social services. And when it has been this way going straight back to slavery, it becomes especially clear slavery had something to do with it. That and a failed Reconstruction that left many blacks even worse off than the day they were freed.
Slavery ended in 1865 in the United States. Ergo, the direct effects of Slavery ended with the children who were alive in 1865. By now Slavery is a historical episode, worthy of examination and discussion but no more a direct factor in anyone's life than the style of boots worn by Antebellum soldiers.
Conflating Poverty and Slavery is very Woke but has nothing in the way of real substance. I agree that Education and Culture and a range of factors are present as causes for both Poverty and Prosperity, but it's intellectually lazy, verging on dishonest, to lay it all on one cause, however handy the villain.
Don't forget that freed slaves in many cases immediately became successful. The first Blacks elected to Congress were in 1870; both the House and Senate. Many black Americans were successful entrepreneurs and businessmen, too. Some did not thrive, but again there are a plethora of reasons for that, not just the scapegoat you want to beat.
So you declare that the fallout of slavery ended with children who were alive in 1865? And think that just ends the argument? And as far as those first blacks to be elected into Congress, do you know their history, or are you just using their milestones for ammo? It wasn't the rosy fairy tale story you imagine. Just following that historical road of black politicians could only result in the realization that slavery had a huge fallout that was more than legal or physical.
You try to arbitrarily limit the fallout to a timeline propped up by a few important firsts, but it would be easy enough to present other arbitrary timelines, like I don't know first black President? Of course that would be hogwash, devoid of substance.
Either figure out a way to quantify that the consequences of slavery ended with Americans alive in 1865, or just stop. I can keep quantifying with facts and statistics that it sure didn't.
Edit: As always it is funny to me that not toeing the echo chamber line results in you zealots thinking I must think the opposite thing as you. You end up arguing these insane arguments because of your need to protect the party line.
And declaring that millions of blacks living in generational poverty traced back to slavery aren't suffering from the fallout of slavery, merely their own personal choices, is certainly insanely stupid.
Porteroso: "So you declare that the fallout of slavery ended with children who were alive in 1865? And think that just ends the argument?"
It's on you to establish your claim beyond unsupported opinion.
To my mind, you have not begun to support it.
What evidence is there that Poverty 2023 is primarily and mostly due to Slavery rather than the many other factors which affect people's success or economic failure?
I don't do Woke, I do Reason. Let's see some proof.
It's on you to establish your claim beyond unsupported opinion.
To my mind, you have not begun to support it.
What evidence is there that Poverty 2023 is primarily and mostly due to Slavery rather than the many other factors which affect people's success or economic failure?
I don't do Woke, I do Reason. Let's see some proof.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:
Porteroso: "So you declare that the fallout of slavery ended with children who were alive in 1865? And think that just ends the argument?"
It's on you to establish your claim beyond unsupported opinion.
To my mind, you have not begun to support it.
What evidence is there that Poverty 2023 is primarily and mostly due to Slavery rather than the many other factors which affect people's success or economic failure?
I don't do Woke, I do Reason. Let's see some proof.
Oh man. I have a lot of educating to do. I need to come up with a good list of ways Trump was a disaster so Harrison doesn't think he was America's greatest President, and now I need to quantify for old bear that unbroken lines of generational poverty sharing 1 common root can be partially attributed to that root. I might even do both, but I know it always falls upon deaf ears. If you were willing to learn you would have already learned such an obvious fact.
I see 'Woke Ranting' there.Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
Porteroso: "So you declare that the fallout of slavery ended with children who were alive in 1865? And think that just ends the argument?"
It's on you to establish your claim beyond unsupported opinion.
To my mind, you have not begun to support it.
What evidence is there that Poverty 2023 is primarily and mostly due to Slavery rather than the many other factors which affect people's success or economic failure?
I don't do Woke, I do Reason. Let's see some proof.
Oh man. I have a lot of educating to do. I need to come up with a good list of ways Trump was a disaster so Harrison doesn't think he was America's greatest President, and now I need to quantify for old bear that unbroken lines of generational poverty sharing 1 common root can be partially attributed to that root. I might even do both, but I know it always falls upon deaf ears. If you were willing to learn you would have already learned such an obvious fact.
Get back to me when you have compelling evidence, not just a screed.
Remember, the 'folks are poor now because Slavery' theory is yours so the burden of proof is on you.
Good luck with that.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I am all for government assistance to the poor, but here are only so many government assistance dollars to go around. How are the millions and millions of illegal aliens pouring over the southern border going to affect the "generational poor" already in our country? Not good.Porteroso said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
You, Sir, don't need to wait on us to get over your white guilt. Go ahead and just write two checks each month. One for the Climate Change warriors and the second one for slave reparations. Do it. Nobody is stopping you.
P.S.- My apologies if I referred to you with the wrong pronoun.
As I said, I am not in favor of reparations, but I am in favor of the federal government doing a better job helping people out of generational poverty. Too fine a line for you?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
PS My MBA is concentrated in Accounting, so I am a numbers guy, not persuaded by an emotional story.Oldbear83 said:I see 'Woke Ranting' there.Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
Porteroso: "So you declare that the fallout of slavery ended with children who were alive in 1865? And think that just ends the argument?"
It's on you to establish your claim beyond unsupported opinion.
To my mind, you have not begun to support it.
What evidence is there that Poverty 2023 is primarily and mostly due to Slavery rather than the many other factors which affect people's success or economic failure?
I don't do Woke, I do Reason. Let's see some proof.
Oh man. I have a lot of educating to do. I need to come up with a good list of ways Trump was a disaster so Harrison doesn't think he was America's greatest President, and now I need to quantify for old bear that unbroken lines of generational poverty sharing 1 common root can be partially attributed to that root. I might even do both, but I know it always falls upon deaf ears. If you were willing to learn you would have already learned such an obvious fact.
Get back to me when you have compelling evidence, not just a screed.
Remember, the 'folks are poor now because Slavery' theory is yours so the burden of proof is on you.
Good luck with that.
When you work a few audits you get a well-tuned BS meter.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Except that a lot more has happened then that.Porteroso said:cowboycwr said:How is it false?Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
No one alive today was ever a slave owner or slave.
The fallout from slavery is over except for people like you and others on the left that want to pretend it still exists and that blacks just can't get on from it because of racism/slavery effects but then ignore when we have large numbers of blacks who have done that and become successful.
If only it was that easy to right such a massive wrong. Make it illegal and wait till everyone involved is dead. If you can't already see how incorrect that is, there is no explaining it to you.
But if we are going to repay for slavery why are we only going to repay for African slavery? Why not force native Americans to pay for their slaves? Romans for theirs? Persians for theirs? Etc.
So now explain how it is false instead of just making a snarky comment and ignoring it. Why does someone who was never a slave deserve to be paid because their ancestor was a slave?
And yet every day there are people from those zip codes that get out and have bettered themselves and are no longer in poverty. The others are still there because of their personal choices and dependency on handouts. The education system didn't fail them. They gave up on the education system and stopped caring about it long before there was talk of it failing them.Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:Sorry but your take is 'ridiculously false' Porteroso.Porteroso said:Golem said:What if those gross deficiencies in the American black culture were in large part created by the New Deal and, particularly, the Great Society? What if blacks in America could immediately reverse those trends by exercising self-control, finishing school, waiting to have kids until they are married and getting married? What if virtually the entirety of the social pathology in the black community could be eliminated by promoting good choices and denigrating the actors in the subculture who are promoting the opposite?Mothra said:Interestingly enough, that issue is fairly recent. The black community used to ne majority married. Then came the 60's, and single parent families began to rise significantly.LIB,MR BEARS said:would single-parent families count?Sam Lowry said:
What if there are systemic problems in the African-American community that don't exist in the African immigrant community?
And along with it, drug use and violent crime.
Blacks in America today aren't victims of anything but their own choices....just like every other race, creed and color in the country. If you want others to think you are a victim, it's because you are a piece of chit grifter who wants free cash and no expectations.
This last part is ridiculously false. It is shocking that people try to say the fallout from slavery is over, but people like you have been for a hundred years.
You can make something of a claim that Racism remains an issue to address. especially at a Cultural level, but that would morally require the observation that Blacks are now Racist at least as often as any other race.
There is effectively zero systemic racism in the US, excepting Affirmative Action programs. Individual hate behavior still exists, but is commonly a product of Cultural indoctrination more than anything else.
We can have a separate discussion of systemic racism. Thats not what I'm talking about. Even if racism had completely ended, there would be fallout to slavery. If you deny a people education and knowledge for generations, you can't just fix it with a law. The fact that such a huge percentage of blacks living in generational poverty can trace the roots of that poverty back to slavery proves nothing but should make you consider whether maybe slavery had consequences. White share croppers too, for that matter.
I am all for personal esponsibility, but there are entire zip codes where statistically, for generations, very few raise themselves out of poverty. Living next to one presents a reality to me that you might just not see, and that's ok. The system has failed these people hard. Not talking about systemic racism, just busted education and social services. And when it has been this way going straight back to slavery, it becomes especially clear slavery had something to do with it. That and a failed Reconstruction that left many blacks even worse off than the day they were freed.
Porteroso said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
You, Sir, don't need to wait on us to get over your white guilt. Go ahead and just write two checks each month. One for the Climate Change warriors and the second one for slave reparations. Do it. Nobody is stopping you.
P.S.- My apologies if I referred to you with the wrong pronoun.
As I said, I am not in favor of reparations, but I am in favor of the federal government doing a better job helping people out of generational poverty. Too fine a line for you?
We've already spent trillions on helping people escape generational poverty, and yet we still have generational poverty. describing the problem as systemic oppression is grandiose excuse making for failed policy.
Yep. There is still generational poverty in this country, but its relation to systemic racism or oppression has faded into history.whiterock said:Porteroso said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
You, Sir, don't need to wait on us to get over your white guilt. Go ahead and just write two checks each month. One for the Climate Change warriors and the second one for slave reparations. Do it. Nobody is stopping you.
P.S.- My apologies if I referred to you with the wrong pronoun.
As I said, I am not in favor of reparations, but I am in favor of the federal government doing a better job helping people out of generational poverty. Too fine a line for you?
We've already spent trillions on helping people escape generational poverty, and yet we still have generational poverty. describing the problem as systemic oppression is grandiose excuse making for failed policy.
One thing that gets ignored in all of this is that the black community in the US is the most successful black community in the world. Full stop. Economically, politically, standards of living, by pretty much any measure you apply. That doesn't mean everything is perfect, or further advances can't/shouldn't occur, but you have to ask yourself, what about America has enabled descendants of the African slave trade to flourish here more than any other nation?
There is no way one can look at inner cities and say policies from the past like redlining and segregation, haven't impacted parts of the black community even today. It's not systemic racism, it's just a ripple effect from when we actually had systemic racism. Slavery/Jim crow was the splash and we did stop splashing but those ripples are still there, slowly fading away.