4th and Inches said:

---

curtpenn said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

SMH, I dont think anybody has thought that thru at all.. spend ten seconds and you would figure out its impossible to seperate without a collapse of the central govt.. thats not gonna happen.

---

You say " collapse of the central government" as if that was a bad thing. I believe we are very much at a point where collapse would be preferable to a further leftward move.

---

ok.. we are nowhere near collapse of the central govt. This isnt the fall of the USSR type situation.

While a very small minority is upset, the large majority isnt.

---

Things can change very vast.

You would have been called a fool to say the USSR was going to collapse in 1979 when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan to prop up a communist government….by 1991 the largest nation on earth and 2nd most powerful superpower was gone.

You would have been called a fool in 1913 to predict the collapse of the British Empire (largest empire in history that covered 13.01 million square miles of land - more than 22% of the earth's landmass. The empire had 458 million people). Yet it was bankrupt, with insolvency only barely averted by 1946 and the Empire basically totally dissolved by the 1960s.

Redbrickbear said:

---

boognish_bear said:

---

Any legislator who signs on to support this reckless, seditious and treasonous bill will not pass a single bill this session.

This isn’t a threat. It’s a promise. #txlege https://t.co/AjTiJjPCH5

— Jeff Leach (@leachfortexas) March 6, 2023

---

Baylor guy...huge goober

Of course secession by popular electoral will is not treason...never was and never will be.

But it is illuminating to see that people like Jeff in GOP leadership only really get their hair up in opposition (not against the cultural Left or against the increasingly autocratic Federal government) to the people when they start talking about their natural born rights and State sovereignty.

Really highlights what this party leadership really stands for.

---

I was wondering if he D or R

Nothing on his Twitter told me. Had to look elsewhere. Interesting

BaylorHistory said:

---

whiterock said:

---

For the record: I am opposed to the proposal for Texas to secede from the United States of America. I would, however, fully support the rights of any citizens of other states wishing to do so, most especially those in California, Illinois, and New York.

---

I'd rather not lose 3 of the top 5 GDP producing states in the union to prove a political point.

---

They won't bet that for long, after all the readjustment of people and capital.
it's already happening.

4th and Inches said:

---

curtpenn said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

SMH, I dont think anybody has thought that thru at all.. spend ten seconds and you would figure out its impossible to seperate without a collapse of the central govt.. thats not gonna happen.

---

You say " collapse of the central government" as if that was a bad thing. I believe we are very much at a point where collapse would be preferable to a further leftward move.

---

ok.. we are nowhere near collapse of the central govt. This isnt the fall of the USSR type situation.

While a very small minority is upset, the large majority isnt.

---

Don't think we are that close either. The fact that a large majority isn't upset accounts for why we've devolved so far. I fear for my grandchildren.

whiterock said:

---

BaylorHistory said:

---

whiterock said:

---

For the record: I am opposed to the proposal for Texas to secede from the United States of America. I would, however, fully support the rights of any citizens of other states wishing to do so, most especially those in California, Illinois, and New York.

---

I'd rather not lose 3 of the top 5 GDP producing states in the union to prove a political point.

---

They won't bet that for long, after all the readjustment of people and capital.
it's already happening.

---

Sure things can and have changed economically for some states like California, Texas, and Florida over the course of time but they sure as hell haven't lost their economic importance yet.

California alone made up 14.69% of GDP of the US in 2022 up from 14.49% on 2020.

4th and Inches said:

---

SMH, I dont think anybody has thought that thru at all.. spend ten seconds and you would figure out its impossible to seperate without a collapse of the central govt.. thats not gonna happen.

---

Don't start talking facts on this thread!!!!

Osodecentx said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

SMH, I dont think anybody has thought that thru at all.. spend ten seconds and you would figure out its impossible to seperate without a collapse of the central govt.. thats not gonna happen.

---

Don't start talking facts on this thread!!!!

---

Think of it as me adding a curveball in between my usual fastball pitches

Fre3dombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

boognish_bear said:

---

Any legislator who signs on to support this reckless, seditious and treasonous bill will not pass a single bill this session.

This isn’t a threat. It’s a promise. #txlege https://t.co/AjTiJjPCH5

— Jeff Leach (@leachfortexas) March 6, 2023

---

Baylor guy...huge goober

Of course secession by popular electoral will is not treason...never was and never will be.

But it is illuminating to see that people like Jeff in GOP leadership only really get their hair up in opposition (not against the cultural Left or against the increasingly autocratic Federal government) to the people when they start talking about their natural born rights and State sovereignty.

Really highlights what this party leadership really stands for.

---

I was wondering if he D or R

Nothing on his Twitter told me. Had to look elsewhere. Interesting

---

Republican...Baylor KOT.

He has no actual core beliefs or values....just does what he is told. Apparently upper level Texas GOP power players love him and have him on the fast track.

Redbrickbear said:

---

Fre3dombear said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

boognish_bear said:

---

Any legislator who signs on to support this reckless, seditious and treasonous bill will not pass a single bill this session.

This isn’t a threat. It’s a promise. #txlege https://t.co/AjTiJjPCH5

— Jeff Leach (@leachfortexas) March 6, 2023

---

Baylor guy...huge goober

Of course secession by popular electoral will is not treason...never was and never will be.

But it is illuminating to see that people like Jeff in GOP leadership only really get their hair up in opposition (not against the cultural Left or against the increasingly autocratic Federal government) to the people when they start talking about their natural born rights and State sovereignty.

Really highlights what this party leadership really stands for.

---

I was wondering if he D or R

Nothing on his Twitter told me. Had to look elsewhere. Interesting

---

Republican...Baylor KOT.

He has no actual core beliefs or values....just does what he is told. Apparently upper level Texas GOP power players love him and have him on the fast track.

---

I disagree
"Upper level Texas GOP" are folks like Dan Patrick

They not only hate you. They truly would enjoy watching an F-18 light up entire towns in middle America. https://t.co/HiZZl9UKG8

— 𝕾𝖜𝖊𝖆𝖗𝖊𝖓𝖌𝖊𝖓 🇺🇸 🏴‍☠️ (@Camelback71) March 9, 2023

Redbrickbear said:

---

They not only hate you. They truly would enjoy watching an F-18 light up entire towns in middle America. https://t.co/HiZZl9UKG8

— 𝕾𝖜𝖊𝖆𝖗𝖊𝖓𝖌𝖊𝖓 🇺🇸 🏴‍☠️ (@Camelback71) March 9, 2023

---

Kinzinger is not exactly correct. He may have a legal point. However, if a movement toward a national divorce--whatever that might look like--becomes popular enough, the legality does not matter. You will have a de facto divorce and possibly a de jure divorce as well.

Nations have changed borders throughout history. Why anyone thinks America is different is beyond me. This is why social cohesion such as common language, culture, views of history, and national purpose are important. I think we have forgotten that and our government antagonizes divisions rather emphasizing our commonalities.

If you want to put off a split, then the federal government needs to become less prominent in contentious social issues like abortion and racial politics. Let the individual states decide and we can see what works and what does not work. My view is federalism and limited federal power will save this country from social and political division.

He Hate Me said:

---

Redbrickbear said:

---

They not only hate you. They truly would enjoy watching an F-18 light up entire towns in middle America. https://t.co/HiZZl9UKG8

— 𝕾𝖜𝖊𝖆𝖗𝖊𝖓𝖌𝖊𝖓 🇺🇸 🏴‍☠️ (@Camelback71) March 9, 2023

---

Kinzinger is not exactly correct. He may have a legal point. However, if a movement toward a national divorce--whatever that might look like--becomes popular enough, the legality does not matter. You will have a de facto divorce and possibly a de jure divorce as well.

Nations have changed borders throughout history. Why anyone thinks America is different is beyond me. This is why social cohesion such as common language, culture, views of history, and national purpose are important. I think we have forgotten that and our government antagonizes divisions rather emphasizing our commonalities.

If you want to put off a split, then the federal government needs to become less prominent in contentious social issues like abortion and racial politics. Let the individual states decide and we can see what works and what does not work. My view is federalism and limited federal power will save this country from social and political division.

---

NEW: After years of incremental progress, Texas secessionists say they're more hopeful than ever about a "TEXIT." I spent Saturday at their first-ever conference, which also featured current and former lawmakers –– including Sen. Bob Hall. #txlegehttps://t.co/yL2PPQAJEe

— Robert Downen (@RobertDownen_) November 15, 2023

That place is packed ... PACKED I tell you.

fubar said:

---

That place is packed ... PACKED I tell you.

---

Will never happen. We have a San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Dallas/ FW problem.

boognish_bear said:

---

Today, I filed HB 3596, which is commonly known as the "Texas Independence Referendum Act," or TEXIT

If passed, it will place a referendum on the ballot during the next general election, allowing the people of Texas to vote on whether or not the State should investigate the possibility of Texas independence, and present potential plans to the Legislature.

The Texas Constitution is clear that all political power resides in the people. After decades of continuous abuse of our rights and liberties by the federal government, it is time to let the people of Texas make their voices heard.

On this 187th anniversary of the fall of the Alamo I'm proud to file this bill to let the people of Texas vote on the future of our State. Texas was born out of a desire for liberty and self-governance, and that desire continues to burn in the hearts of all Texans.

Sign the Petition below:
https://bryanslaton.com/issues/texit_petition/

---

What an idiotic piece of grandstanding.

Dude must be a CT.

KaiBear said:

---

boognish_bear said:

---

Today, I filed HB 3596, which is commonly known as the "Texas Independence Referendum Act," or TEXIT

If passed, it will place a referendum on the ballot during the next general election, allowing the people of Texas to vote on whether or not the State should investigate the possibility of Texas independence, and present potential plans to the Legislature.

The Texas Constitution is clear that all political power resides in the people. After decades of continuous abuse of our rights and liberties by the federal government, it is time to let the people of Texas make their voices heard.

On this 187th anniversary of the fall of the Alamo I'm proud to file this bill to let the people of Texas vote on the future of our State. Texas was born out of a desire for liberty and self-governance, and that desire continues to burn in the hearts of all Texans.

Sign the Petition below:
https://bryanslaton.com/issues/texit_petition/

---

What an idiotic piece of grandstanding.

Dude must be a CT.

---

I think he was expelled from the House

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

---

My view is federalism and limited federal power will save this country from social and political division.

---

Federalism would have that potential if the political left wasn't as expansionists a force as Islam. In their view they hold the moral high ground with government serving as god to redistribute wealth, enforce child castration, enforce abortion, enforce black supremacy, and so on. Federalism requires a willingness time live and let live outside your state's borders because it views your state as your primary national allegiance. Do a little reading about the Greater Idaho project. Will the government in Eugene allow some red counties to leave Oregon and join Idaho? Somehow I doubt it - even though those counties have already voted to do so.

America is finished because the philosophies that created it are no longer taught or believed.

The "country" may still exist and as North Korea and Iran show us it can take a very long time for a central government to fail.

I doubt that the Texas GOP will allow such a question to be put in front of voters but if they were to it would be interesting to see what the results were. I'm no longer convinced it would pass.