Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet

Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet

xfrodobagginsx said:

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Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet

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Please stop saying this over and over again. It's creepy.

Sam Lowry said:

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xfrodobagginsx said:

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Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet

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Please stop saying this over and over again. It's creepy.

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What exactly is wrong with it? You're opposed to reminding people we are to evangelize?

I don't see how it's creepy to anyone who understands the importance of Christ's role in salvation. He is the ONLY WAY. Anyone who does not accept that most essential truth needs to reflect on it themselves. It's purely an internal matter.

Literally, everyone's life depends on it.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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xfrodobagginsx said:

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Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet

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Please stop saying this over and over again. It's creepy.

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What exactly is wrong with it? You're opposed to reminding people we are to evangelize?

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Thank you

Exactly the point of this thread. Yes, we welcome and wamt discussion also, but our first priority is to lead folks to salvation through Jesus Christ.

historian said:

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I don't see how it's creepy to anyone who understands the importance of Christ's role in salvation. He is the ONLY WAY. Anyone who does not accept that most essential truth needs to reflect on it themselves. It's purely an internal matter.

Literally, everyone's life depends on it.

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AMEN! There is nothing more important. Hell is eternal
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AI Gives Comparison Chart On Different Christian Denominations. Which Do You Identify With?

Great! Here's a clear comparison between Evangelicals, Catholics, Mainline Protestants, and Pentecostals focusing on beliefs, practices, and church structure

Overview Comparison Table

Belief/Practice Evangelical Christians Catholics Mainline Protestants Pentecostals

Authority Bible alone ("sola scriptura") Bible + Tradition + Church Authority Bible + tradition (more liberal approach) Bible alone, often with extra emphasis on Spirit
Salvation By grace through faith in Jesus Faith plus sacraments and works Faith + often social action Faith in Jesus, plus Spirit empowerment
Conversion Born-again experience is central Infant baptism; lifelong process May or may not emphasize personal conversion Born-again + baptism in the Holy Spirit
Sacraments 2 (baptism & communion, symbolic) 7 sacraments (baptism, Eucharist, etc.) 2 sacraments, usually symbolic 2 sacraments + Spirit baptism experience
Evangelism Strong emphasis on missions/outreach Some (but less emphasized traditionally) Varies; often less focused Very strong emphasis, often through charismatic methods
Worship Style Contemporary or traditional Liturgical, formal Liturgical or blended Highly emotional, charismatic, energetic
View of the Holy Spirit Important but not always emphasized Present through sacraments Present but not a central focus Central miracles, tongues, healing
Church Structure Congregational or decentralized Hierarchical (Pope Bishops Priests) Varies (often hierarchical) Varies; often independent or loosely organized
Examples Southern Baptist, Evangelical Free, etc. Roman Catholic Church United Methodist, Presbyterian (USA), ELCA Assemblies of God, Church of God, etc.



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Key Differences Explained

Evangelicals vs. Catholics

Evangelicals believe in Scripture alone for guidance; Catholics also rely on Church tradition and papal authority.

Evangelicals reject the idea of praying to Mary or saints, while Catholics include them in spiritual life.

Salvation for evangelicals is by faith alone, while Catholic doctrine includes faith + works + sacraments.


Evangelicals vs. Mainline Protestants

Evangelicals are typically more conservative theologically.

Mainline churches often focus more on social justice, inclusion, and interfaith dialogue.

Evangelicals emphasize personal conversion, while many mainline Protestants may not.


Evangelicals vs. Pentecostals

Pentecostals are a subset of evangelicals but are more charismatic emphasizing speaking in tongues, healing, and miracles.

Evangelicals may believe in the gifts of the Spirit but usually don't focus on them in worship.



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Summary

Group Known for...

Evangelicals Personal conversion, Bible-centered faith, evangelism
Catholics Sacraments, tradition, church hierarchy
Mainline Protestants Tradition + social reform, broader theology
Pentecostals Spiritual Gifts, emotional worship, miracles

Tomorrow is Sunday. Find a good Bible believing church and attend.

Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet

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Christ's role in salvation. He is the ONLY WAY

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No Christian disagrees about this. The debate arises about the practical application of Matthew 7:13 so that you don't end up in John 6:66 or Matthew 7:23.

It is also interesting that all the church bodies the AI decided to list were launched in the 11th century or later.

Realitybites said:

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Christ's role in salvation. He is the ONLY WAY

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No Christian disagrees about this. The debate arises about the practical application of Matthew 7:13 so that you don't end up in John 6:66 or Matthew 7:23.

It is also interesting that all the church bodies the AI decided to list were launched in the 11th century or later.

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Unfortunately, there are people who claim to be Christian, who believe that all paths lead to heaven...lie

xfrodobagginsx said:

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Unfortunately, there are people who claim to be Christian, who believe that all paths lead to heaven...lie

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Unfortunately. But Perennialism is not Christianity, and those who follow it are not Christians.

Realitybites said:

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Christ's role in salvation. He is the ONLY WAY

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No Christian disagrees about this. The debate arises about the practical application of Matthew 7:13 so that you don't end up in John 6:66 or Matthew 7:23.

It is also interesting that all the church bodies the AI decided to list were launched in the 11th century or later.

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No one should ever rely upon AI for any spiritual information. Ever. In the end, it's still computer programming and susceptible to manipulation as has been demonstrated repeatedly.

It does help to get information, but has a liberal bias, which is very bad.

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Realitybites said:

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Christ's role in salvation. He is the ONLY WAY

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No Christian disagrees about this. The debate arises about the practical application of Matthew 7:13 so that you don't end up in John 6:66 or Matthew 7:23.

It is also interesting that all the church bodies the AI decided to list were launched in the 11th century or later.

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No one should ever rely upon AI for any spiritual information. Ever. In the end, it's still computer programming and susceptible to manipulation as has been demonstrated repeatedly.

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I have to say that I don't use it for theological Insight but I do use it to gather information for me and give me Bible verses. I do realize that it is definitely slanted to the left-wing viewpoint.

At least you are smart about it. I've never used AI but I would think a simple search would work as well.

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

And this will we do, if God permit.

For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."

Hebrews 6:1-3,7-8

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At least you are smart about it. I've never used AI but I would think a simple search would work as well.

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It pulls up a lot of useful information and interestingly, it says it belives that the Dispensational view is the most Biblically based.

Realitybites said:

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"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

And this will we do, if God permit.

For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."

Hebrews 6:1-3,7-8

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What is your interpretation of this verse?

2nd Peter 1:20. I don't have one. It says what it means in black and white. I'm actually doing a deep dive into Hebrews. It has a lot of good stuff that gets glossed over, from what worship services should look like (8:5) to straight up refutations of Christian Zionism (8:9,8:13) with the cancellation of the Aaronic priesthood.

Realitybites said:

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2nd Peter 1:20. I don't have one. It says what it means in black and white. I'm actually doing a deep dive into Hebrews. It has a lot of good stuff that gets glossed over, from what worship services should look like (8:5) to straight up refutations of Christian Zionism (8:9,8:13) with the cancellation of the Aaronic priesthood.

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I always found it interesting how some protestants will say "your Catholic mass looks nothing like the catholic masses of the first 1500 years before protestantism" when 1) a large portion of the mass today and the celebration of the eucharist is essentially whats been done now for 2000 years and 2) having been to many non denominational bible studies on sunday that certainly looks nothing like the mass of the Catholics of 2000 years ago

A perusing of several church fathers as is often the case can be eye opening and educational

I see some are still confusing the Roman Catholic Church for Christ's Catholic Church.

Realitybites said:

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2nd Peter 1:20. I don't have one. It says what it means in black and white. I'm actually doing a deep dive into Hebrews. It has a lot of good stuff that gets glossed over, from what worship services should look like (8:5) to straight up refutations of Christian Zionism (8:9,8:13) with the cancellation of the Aaronic priesthood.

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What do you mean by Christian Zionism?

xfrodobagginsx said:

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What do you mean by Christian Zionism?

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"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

The prophecy of the disappearance of the Old Covenant was fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple, an event that made practicing the religion of the Old Testament a physical impossibility.

Christian Zionism is a religious and political ideology that demands Christian support for the modern nation state of Israel and modern practioners of "Judaism" who reject Christ in contradiction to the clear teaching of the Bible.

It is most common in Evangelical dispensational circles. In its extreme forms, you will see churches with Israeli flags on the podiums, pastors blowing shofars, and heretics like John Hagee taking postions like this:

"I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption," and "I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith." The news article went on to report: "In fact, trying to convert Jews is a 'waste of time,' [Hagee] said. 'The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They [already] have a faith structure.' Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha'i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity, he says".

It is anti-Biblical and a tremendous insult to Christ.

This is how some abuse the Bible. Take a verse, make it say what you want and ignore anything and everything that weakens or opposes your point.

If all you have is one verse for your point, you are not sharing the Word of God, you are selling the Opinion of You.

It's amazing the lengths some people will go to try to justify their antisemitism. That position is not supported by scripture.

Oldbear83 said:

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This is how some abuse the Bible. Take a verse, make it say what you want and ignore anything and everything that weakens or opposes your point.

If all you have is one verse for your point, you are not sharing the Word of God, you are selling the Opinion of You.

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Protestants do this here with John3:16 endlessly

Oldbear83 said:

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I see some are still confusing the Roman Catholic Church for Christ's Catholic Church.

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Please explain the difference. Show your work. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Your soul depends on it.

Fre3dombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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This is how some abuse the Bible. Take a verse, make it say what you want and ignore anything and everything that weakens or opposes your point.

If all you have is one verse for your point, you are not sharing the Word of God, you are selling the Opinion of You.

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Protestants do this here with John3:16 endlessly

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As do RC's

Oldbear83 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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This is how some abuse the Bible. Take a verse, make it say what you want and ignore anything and everything that weakens or opposes your point.

If all you have is one verse for your point, you are not sharing the Word of God, you are selling the Opinion of You.

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Protestants do this here with John3:16 endlessly

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As do RC's

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Never seen a Catholic do this

Fre3dombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I see some are still confusing the Roman Catholic Church for Christ's Catholic Church.

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Please explain the difference. Show your work. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Your soul depends on it.

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"Please explain the difference."

I am spending the day with my daughter, will tend to this as time permits and the value of the discussion merits.


"Show your work."

Since you have tossed off claims with no work shown, that's some chutzpah you posted there.


"Thank you for your attention to this matter."

What does Trump have to do with this matter?



"Your soul depends on it."

If you mean my soul depends on following your direction, you are absolutely wrong.

Also, in my experience coercion is neither effective in decision-making nor compatible with Christ's demonstrated behavior and style. After all, the guy who started some conversations by telling some people that their sins were forgiven, and the thief on the cross he would be in Paradise that day is hardly the same as someone keen on technicalities and legal tricks .

Oldbear83 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I see some are still confusing the Roman Catholic Church for Christ's Catholic Church.

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Please explain the difference. Show your work. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Your soul depends on it.

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"Please explain the difference."

I am spending the day with my daughter, will tend to this as time permits and the value of the discussion merits.


"Show your work."

Since you have tossed off claims with no work shown, that's some chutzpah you posted there.


"Thank you for your attention to this matter."

What does Trump have to do with this matter?



"Your soul depends on it."

If you mean my soul depends on following your direction, you are absolutely wrong.

Also, in my experience coercion is neither effective in decision-making nor compatible with Christ's demonstrated behavior and style. After all, the guy who started some conversations by telling some people that their sins were forgiven, and the thief on the cross he would be in Paradise that day is hardly the same as someone keen on technicalities and legal tricks .

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Id recommend a word count be done on explanations i have given. Its extensive. If you choose not to read or understand, thats on you.

Nothing is at my direction. Its all at God's direction.

Enjoy time with family. I know i am. Went to confession already as well. Been an amazing day. Truly blessed. Praise God.

Oldbear83 said:

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This is how some abuse the Bible. Take a verse, make it say what you want and ignore anything and everything that weakens or opposes your point.

If all you have is one verse for your point, you are not sharing the Word of God, you are selling the Opinion of You.

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The verse is quite clear. The old covenant is *obsolete* and has passed away. You don't agree with John Hagee that Jews maintain a secret handshake with God that bypasses Jesus, do you?

Christian Zionists throw around "antisemite" like Democrats throw around "racist".

Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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This is how some abuse the Bible. Take a verse, make it say what you want and ignore anything and everything that weakens or opposes your point.

If all you have is one verse for your point, you are not sharing the Word of God, you are selling the Opinion of You.

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The verse is quite clear. The old covenant is *obsolete* and has passed away. You don't agree with John Hagee that Jews maintain a secret handshake with God that bypasses Jesus, do you?

Christian Zionists throw around "antisemite" like Democrats throw around "racist".

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I think the late 1800s dispensationalism topic has taken the protestants by storm recently.