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What is your view on the true way of salvation? What do you believe the true biblical view of Salvation is?

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Salvation is the process that begins when you put your faith in Christ, trusting in God's grace through faith (Luke 18:9-14).

It continues on a daily basis as your pick up your cross and follow Him, being conformed to his image as His disciple (Matthew 16:24-26).

It concludes when your body falls asleep in the Lord and you return to Him hoping to hear "Well done, good and faithful servant." (Matthew 25:23).

There's nothing inherently wrong with idea behind the sinner's prayer, although some of the language in it is a bit problematic. After all, it is an expanded version of the prayer of the Publican, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have Mercy on me a sinner."

The problem is when people are told that this is the beginning and end of the disciple's journey towards salvation that establishes a once saved, always saved status in the mind. It becomes a Luciferian incantation of salvation in the spirit of Isaiah 14:14 in which you say the magic words and presto chango you walk away from the altar call a Christian for all time.

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So then what you're saying is salvation is by faith and works? But the Bible doesn't say that

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What is your view on the true way of salvation? What do you believe the true biblical view of Salvation is?

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Salvation is the process that begins when you put your faith in Christ, trusting in God's grace through faith (Luke 18:9-14).

It continues on a daily basis as your pick up your cross and follow Him, being conformed to his image as His disciple (Matthew 16:24-26).

It concludes when your body falls asleep in the Lord and you return to Him hoping to hear "Well done, good and faithful servant." (Matthew 25:23).

There's nothing inherently wrong with idea behind the sinner's prayer, although some of the language in it is a bit problematic. After all, it is an expanded version of the prayer of the Publican, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have Mercy on me a sinner."

The problem is when people are told that this is the beginning and end of the disciple's journey towards salvation that establishes a once saved, always saved status in the mind. It becomes a Luciferian incantation of salvation in the spirit of Isaiah 14:14 in which you say the magic words and presto chango you walk away from the altar call a Christian for all time.

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So then what you're saying is salvation is by faith and works? But the Bible doesn't say that

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There is a trap for each side, frodo. One side likes to think we have no duties once we are saved, ignoring Christ telling us to take up our cross daily. The other side likes to think we are doing what Christ cannot, and therefore can claim some small merit.

Both ways leads to terrible ends.

The way Christ wants us to follow is right there in the Gospels, but because it requires us to put away our pride and realize the former life is the illusion, many do not even see it as they turn from it.

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Realitybites said:

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What is your view on the true way of salvation? What do you believe the true biblical view of Salvation is?

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Salvation is the process that begins when you put your faith in Christ, trusting in God's grace through faith (Luke 18:9-14).

It continues on a daily basis as your pick up your cross and follow Him, being conformed to his image as His disciple (Matthew 16:24-26).

It concludes when your body falls asleep in the Lord and you return to Him hoping to hear "Well done, good and faithful servant." (Matthew 25:23).

There's nothing inherently wrong with idea behind the sinner's prayer, although some of the language in it is a bit problematic. After all, it is an expanded version of the prayer of the Publican, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have Mercy on me a sinner."

The problem is when people are told that this is the beginning and end of the disciple's journey towards salvation that establishes a once saved, always saved status in the mind. It becomes a Luciferian incantation of salvation in the spirit of Isaiah 14:14 in which you say the magic words and presto chango you walk away from the altar call a Christian for all time.

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So then what you're saying is salvation is by faith and works? But the Bible doesn't say that

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No.

Salvation is the complete process which begins by grace through faith and ends with you hearing "well done, good and faithful servant." It is a gift from God that you accept synergystically through your faithfulness. It isn't this thing you claim by way of an incantation at a given point in your life and and have.

That's why the morning prayers of the Eastern Orthodox Church contain the following:'

"O Saviour. save me by Thy grace, I pray Thee. For if Thou shouldst save me for my works, this would not be grace or a gift, but rather a duty; yea, Thou Who art great in compassion and ineffable in mercy. For he that believeth in Me, Thou hast said, O my Christ, shall live and never see death. If, then, faith in Thee saveth the desperate, behold, I believe, save me, for Thou art my God and Creator. Let faith instead of works be imputed to me, O my God, for Thou wilt find no works which could justify me. But may my faith suffice instead of all works, may it answer for, may it acquit me, may it make me a partaker of Thine eternal glory."

That's a clearer rejection of what a protestant would call "works salvation" than the sinner's prayer. But they also go on to say this:

"Vouchsafe me, O Lord, to love Thee now as fervently as I once loved sin itself, and also to work for Thee without idleness, diligently, as I worked before for deceptive Satan. But supremely shall I work for Thee, my Lord and God, Jesus Christ, all the days of my life, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen."

Remember "But Jesus said to him, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62)

There's big a difference between working to advance God's Kingdom and do God's will as a disciple of Christ and working to accumulate merit to earn your salvation.

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What is your view on the true way of salvation? What do you believe the true biblical view of Salvation is?

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Salvation is the process that begins when you put your faith in Christ, trusting in God's grace through faith (Luke 18:9-14).

It continues on a daily basis as your pick up your cross and follow Him, being conformed to his image as His disciple (Matthew 16:24-26).

It concludes when your body falls asleep in the Lord and you return to Him hoping to hear "Well done, good and faithful servant." (Matthew 25:23).

There's nothing inherently wrong with idea behind the sinner's prayer, although some of the language in it is a bit problematic. After all, it is an expanded version of the prayer of the Publican, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have Mercy on me a sinner."

The problem is when people are told that this is the beginning and end of the disciple's journey towards salvation that establishes a once saved, always saved status in the mind. It becomes a Luciferian incantation of salvation in the spirit of Isaiah 14:14 in which you say the magic words and presto chango you walk away from the altar call a Christian for all time.

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So then what you're saying is salvation is by faith and works? But the Bible doesn't say that

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There is a trap for each side, frodo. One side likes to think we have no duties once we are saved, ignoring Christ telling us to take up our cross daily. The other side likes to think we are doing what Christ cannot, and therefore can claim some small merit.

Both ways leads to terrible ends.

The way Christ wants us to follow is right there in the Gospels, but because it requires us to put away our pride and realize the former life is the illusion, many do not even see it as they turn from it.

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True faith in Christ is to submit your will to His. This results in obedience, but obedience does not save. Faith does. Works do not. You are skating the line of works Salvation. The faith that saves is in what Christ did for us on the cross, His payment, His Sacrifice, His blood. The obedience comes because of love for Him and what He did for us. A desire to please Him. The Gospels are still under Law. If you apply them to the Church, you getva works based religion. It puts you back under the Law. Paul's writings are for the Church.

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The faith that saves is in what Christ did for us on the cross, His payment, His Sacrifice, His blood. The obedience comes because of love for Him and what He did for us. A desire to please Him.

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You can't say that acknowledging the facts of the crucifixion is saving faith if it is separated from the obedience that follows. You're right about what motivates that obedience, but you can't simply say "I'm saved because I believe these events happened." Saving faith is actually faithfulness. These things cannot be separated.

Think of the difference between a wedding and a marriage. A wedding commences a marriage, but it is not the marriage.

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The Gospels are still under Law. If you apply them to the Church, you getva works based religion. It puts you back under the Law. Paul's writings are for the Church.

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Your rejection of the Gospels as for the Jews under the law is a major blind spot in your theology. It results in you rejecting the things that Jesus actually said and were recorded as "for the Jews". I hope that someday you free yourself from that philosophical anchor and come to embrace the full Gospel and understand that all of Christ's teachings are for all his disciples.

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The faith that saves is in what Christ did for us on the cross, His payment, His Sacrifice, His blood. The obedience comes because of love for Him and what He did for us. A desire to please Him.

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You can't say that acknowledging the facts of the crucifixion is saving faith if it is separated from the obedience that follows. You're right about what motivates that obedience, but you can't simply say "I'm saved because I believe these events happened." Saving faith is actually faithfulness. These things cannot be separated.

Think of the difference between a wedding and a marriage. A wedding commences a marriage, but it is not the marriage.

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The Gospels are still under Law. If you apply them to the Church, you getva works based religion. It puts you back under the Law. Paul's writings are for the Church.

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Your rejection of the Gospels as for the Jews under the law is a major blind spot in your theology. It results in you rejecting the things that Jesus actually said and were recorded as "for the Jews". I hope that someday you free yourself from that philosophical anchor and come to embrace the full Gospel and understand that all of Christ's teachings are for all his disciples.

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It's not a rejection of what Jesus said. It's a knowledge that Jesus was talking to the Jews under Law, but regarding the coming Kingdom, the 1000 year reign of Christ that is future. It will be the Law at that time. I am free from bad theology and mis match theology. The Bible makes complete sense now.

Romans 3:19 KJV
[19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.


Where does the Non Pauline writings tell us that we are no longer under the Law? That we are under grace?


Jesus Ministry was to Israel only until AFTER the Resurrection:

Matthew 15:24 KJV
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6 KJV
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: [6] but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; [6] who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Will Pagans Be Saved?
And while you're wondering whether the pagans will repent before they die, there's a much more pressing question that you need to answer

Deep in the heart of Africa, there's a small tribe that has never heard about Christ. Is it possible for them to go to heaven?

It sounds like a very deep theological question, but sometimes it's just a sneaky way of avoiding the question that God is asking you.

God gives us commands and we pretend not to hear Him. He calls us, but we make excuses. He wakes up our conscience, and then we reach for the spiritual "snooze button", so to speak. Then once we've got our conscience quiet, we sit comfortably and we ask these big giant questions about everybody else's salvation.
"But what about the pagans? Can they be saved?"

Well, suppose God answered this question with a simple "yes" or "no" like we demand.
God says, "yes". Well, then what? Are we going to stop evangelizing? Are we going to stop fasting and praying and repenting and struggling against sin? Why spread the gospel?
"They'll make it to heaven anyway."
Before long, a "yes" to that question becomes an excuse for religious indifference and laziness.
Okay, fine.

So suppose God says, "no".
Well, now we get the opposite temptation. Suddenly, we imagine ourselves to be more compassionate than God.

"What kind of God would condemn billions of people that don't even have a chance?"
"I refuse to worship a God like that."

Think about the arrogance of saying something like that.

Jesus was scourged. He was nailed to a cross and He died because of his love for humanity. You didn't do that. I didn't do that. Yet somehow you can conclude that you love humanity more than He does?
Well, maybe the problem is the question itself.

We want eternal mysteries reduced to simple checkboxes: "yes" or "no", "saved" or "damned". But Christianity, real Christianity, gives us something that is much bigger than that.

Christ died for all. God desires the salvation of all. Scripture says so. And yet Scripture never promises that all will be saved.

There are mysteries that are bigger than the categories we create.

So if the fate of unbelievers really keeps you awake at night, and you're worried about it, there's something more useful that you can do, than speculating and imagining.

You go tell them about Christ.
You learn their language.
You preach the Gospel.
You send your money to support some missionaries.
And if you can't go anywhere yourself, then get on your knees and pray for them.

Because God never commanded you to solve the mathematics of how everybody else gets saved.
He commanded you to love them.

And while you're wondering whether the pagans will repent before they die, there's a much more pressing question that you need to answer, and that is:

Will you?

- Father Joseph Gleason

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Will Pagans Be Saved?
And while you're wondering whether the pagans will repent before they die, there's a much more pressing question that you need to answer

Deep in the heart of Africa, there's a small tribe that has never heard about Christ. Is it possible for them to go to heaven?

It sounds like a very deep theological question, but sometimes it's just a sneaky way of avoiding the question that God is asking you.

God gives us commands and we pretend not to hear Him. He calls us, but we make excuses. He wakes up our conscience, and then we reach for the spiritual "snooze button", so to speak. Then once we've got our conscience quiet, we sit comfortably and we ask these big giant questions about everybody else's salvation.
"But what about the pagans? Can they be saved?"

Well, suppose God answered this question with a simple "yes" or "no" like we demand.
God says, "yes". Well, then what? Are we going to stop evangelizing? Are we going to stop fasting and praying and repenting and struggling against sin? Why spread the gospel?
"They'll make it to heaven anyway."
Before long, a "yes" to that question becomes an excuse for religious indifference and laziness.
Okay, fine.

So suppose God says, "no".
Well, now we get the opposite temptation. Suddenly, we imagine ourselves to be more compassionate than God.

"What kind of God would condemn billions of people that don't even have a chance?"
"I refuse to worship a God like that."

Think about the arrogance of saying something like that.

Jesus was scourged. He was nailed to a cross and He died because of his love for humanity. You didn't do that. I didn't do that. Yet somehow you can conclude that you love humanity more than He does?
Well, maybe the problem is the question itself.

We want eternal mysteries reduced to simple checkboxes: "yes" or "no", "saved" or "damned". But Christianity, real Christianity, gives us something that is much bigger than that.

Christ died for all. God desires the salvation of all. Scripture says so. And yet Scripture never promises that all will be saved.

There are mysteries that are bigger than the categories we create.

So if the fate of unbelievers really keeps you awake at night, and you're worried about it, there's something more useful that you can do, than speculating and imagining.

You go tell them about Christ.
You learn their language.
You preach the Gospel.
You send your money to support some missionaries.
And if you can't go anywhere yourself, then get on your knees and pray for them.

Because God never commanded you to solve the mathematics of how everybody else gets saved.
He commanded you to love them.

And while you're wondering whether the pagans will repent before they die, there's a much more pressing question that you need to answer, and that is:

Will you?

- Father Joseph Gleason

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Gee, I've never heard that question before Oh wait maybe I have. Well I cannot tell you what God is going to do, I can say that there have been many a Time when one of these isolated tribes have had visions of missionaries coming to their tribe beforehand. And then the missionaries came. There have been tribes that have laid out airports for missionaries before the missionaries came so that they had a place for their planes to land. In these cases the tribes were led to Christ in large numbers. But it is not for us to judge God as to how He is supposed to do things. I can also tell you that after speaking with various missionaries and hearing them talk that between 50 and 70% of the Muslims that come to Christ do so because of a vision or a dream of Christ. So is Christianity true that is the big question? Yes it absolutely is. How does God lead people to Himself? It is not for us to judge God. But what I will say is that He tends to use men to spread the gospel. If God calls a man to spread the gospel he is to go. God is the one who will work out the details.

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What is your view on the true way of salvation? What do you believe the true biblical view of Salvation is?

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Salvation is the process that begins when you put your faith in Christ, trusting in God's grace through faith (Luke 18:9-14).

It continues on a daily basis as your pick up your cross and follow Him, being conformed to his image as His disciple (Matthew 16:24-26).

It concludes when your body falls asleep in the Lord and you return to Him hoping to hear "Well done, good and faithful servant." (Matthew 25:23).

There's nothing inherently wrong with idea behind the sinner's prayer, although some of the language in it is a bit problematic. After all, it is an expanded version of the prayer of the Publican, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have Mercy on me a sinner."

The problem is when people are told that this is the beginning and end of the disciple's journey towards salvation that establishes a once saved, always saved status in the mind. It becomes a Luciferian incantation of salvation in the spirit of Isaiah 14:14 in which you say the magic words and presto chango you walk away from the altar call a Christian for all time.

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So then what you're saying is salvation is by faith and works? But the Bible doesn't say that

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There is a trap for each side, frodo. One side likes to think we have no duties once we are saved, ignoring Christ telling us to take up our cross daily. The other side likes to think we are doing what Christ cannot, and therefore can claim some small merit.

Both ways leads to terrible ends.

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First of all, NO ONE who is arguing for salvation by faith alone is saying that a saved person does not have "duties" as a Christian; rather, what's being emphasized is that a person's salvation is not contingent upon the successful performance of those "duties".

In contrast, the side that is arguing for salvation by faith AND works is saying that salvation IS ultimately contingent upon successfully performing those "duties", thus directly contradicting the gospel of grace.

Only one of these sides has the truly "terrible end". Even in the case of a person who is saved but feels they have no duties whatsoever, which leads to a failure to produce a lot of fruit, the "terrible end" for that person might be a loss of reward in heaven, but not a loss of salvation. In that case, still, the other side has a much, much more terrible end. There's just no equivalency here, despite your attempts to present it that way.

" True faith in Christ is to submit your will to His"

The religious True Scotsman, hmm.

" And while you're wondering whether the pagans will repent before they die, there's a much more pressing question that you need to answer, and that is:

Will you?

- Father Joseph Gleason"


I cannot help but wonder why Father Gleason applies his question to others. given his point.

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" True faith in Christ is to submit your will to His"

The religious True Scotsman, hmm.

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What does that mean? That is what faith is. Itbhas nothing to do with works but it does result in works.

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" True faith in Christ is to submit your will to His"

The religious True Scotsman, hmm.

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What does that mean? That is what faith is. Itbhas nothing to do with works but it does result in works.

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It's about the difference between talking with other Christians about an issue, and pretending we are right and they should admit it.

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" True faith in Christ is to submit your will to His"

The religious True Scotsman, hmm.

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What does that mean? That is what faith is. Itbhas nothing to do with works but it does result in works.

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It's about the difference between talking with other Christians about an issue, and pretending we are right and they should admit it.

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True faith sinply believes God to the point of submission to His Will.

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" True faith in Christ is to submit your will to His"

The religious True Scotsman, hmm.

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What does that mean? That is what faith is. Itbhas nothing to do with works but it does result in works.

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It's about the difference between talking with other Christians about an issue, and pretending we are right and they should admit it.

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True faith sinply believes God to the point of submission to His Will.

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Again, you are using convenient wiggle words. The Muslim thinks he has "true faith", so does the Shaman. Specific doctrines clarify and force decision, and therefore are where we see whether someone is open to Christ or simply slapping a label on their own bias in hopes of looking pious.

"Islam" means submission. But Muslims submit to a false god, Satan, who is the opposite of God in every way: a murder, a liar, the Father of lies. Naturally, Muslims believe they are allowed to lie and kill in the name of their god. And they often do both.

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"Islam" means submission. But Muslims submit to a false god, Satan, who is the opposite of God in every way: a murder, a liar, the Father of lies. Naturally, Muslims believe they are allowed to lie and kill in the name of their god. And they often do both.

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The problem, historian, is not the excuses someone else makes to excuse their sin, but people who claim to be followers of Christ, who do not speak and act as He did.

Claiming my or our beliefs represent the 'True Faith' only asserts my or our pride.

Both are problems. There are many others. Anything that goes against the teachings of Christ and the example He set is a problem.

Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet

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Both are problems. There are many others. Anything that goes against the teachings of Christ and the example He set is a problem.

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Just to be clear, Paul's writings were given to him by Christ and therefore are Christ's teachings.

Absolutely. And everything in the NT is derived from the OT. Christ is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets.

These are the things Jesus instructed us to do

1. Repent - Matthew 4:17

"From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'"

2. Follow Me - Matthew 4:19

"And he said to them, 'Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.'"

3. Rejoice - Matthew 5:12

"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

4. Let Your Light Shine - Matthew 5:16

"In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."

5. Honor God's Law - Matthew 5:17-19

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

6. Be Reconciled - Matthew 5:24-25

"Leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison."

7. Do Not Lust - Matthew 5:28-30

"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell."

8. Keep Your Word - Matthew 5:37

"Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil."

9. Go the Second Mile - Matthew 5:38-42

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."

10. Love Your Enemies - Matthew 5:44

"But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"

11. Be Perfect - Matthew 5:48

"You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

12. Practice Secret Disciplines (Giving, Praying, Fasting) - Matthew 6:1-18

this passage outlines Jesus' teaching on giving to the needy, praying, and fasting, emphasizing doing these actions not to be seen by others but in secret, where your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

13. Lay Up Treasures in Heaven - Matthew 6:19-21

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

14. Seek God's Kingdom - Matthew 6:33

"But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you."

15. Judge Not - Matthew 7:1-2

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

16. Do Not Throw Pearls to Pigs - Matthew 7:6

"Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you."

17. Ask, Seek, Knock - Matthew 7:7-8

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened."

18. Do Unto Others - Matthew 7:12

"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."

19. Choose the Narrow Way - Matthew 7:13-14

"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."

20. Beware of False Prophets - Matthew 7:15

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

21. Pray for Laborers - Matthew 9:38

"Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest."

22. Be Wise as Serpents - Matthew 10:16

"Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

23. Fear Not - Matthew 10:28

"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

24. Hear God's Voice - Matthew 11:15

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

25. Take My Yoke - Matthew 11:29

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

26. Honor Your Parents - Matthew 15:4

"For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'"

27. Beware of Leaven - Matthew 16:6

"Jesus said to them, 'Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.'"

28. Deny Yourself - Matthew 16:24

"Then Jesus told his disciples, 'If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.'"

29. Do Not Despise Little Ones - Matthew 18:10

"See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven."

30. Go to Offenders - Matthew 18:15

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother."

31. Beware of Covetousness - Luke 12:15

"And he said to them, 'Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.'"

32. Forgive Offenders - Matthew 18:21-22

"Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?' Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times.'"

33. Honor Marriage - Matthew 19:6

"So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

34. Be a Servant - Matthew 20:26-27

"It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be your slave,"

35. Be a House of Prayer - Matthew 21:13

"He said to them, 'It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer,' but you make it a den of robbers.'"

36. Ask in Faith - Matthew 21:21-22

"And Jesus answered them, 'Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and thrown into the sea,' it will happen. And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.'"

37. Bring in the Poor - Luke 14:12-14

"He said also to the man who had invited him, 'When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.'"

38. Render to Caesar - Matthew 22:19-21

"Show me the coin for the tax.' And they brought him a denarius. And Jesus said to them, 'Whose likeness and inscription is this?' They said, 'Caesar's.' Then he said to them, 'Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.'"

39. Love the Lord - Matthew 22:37

"And he said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'"

40. Love Your Neighbor - Matthew 22:39

"And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

41. Await My Return - Matthew 24:42-44

"Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."

42. Celebrate the Lord's Supper - Matthew 26:26-27

"Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, 'Take, eat; this is my body.' And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, 'Drink of it, all of you,'"

43. Watch and Pray - Matthew 26:41

"Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."

44. Feed My Sheep - John 21:15-16

"When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, 'Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?' He said to him, 'Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.' He said to him, 'Feed my lambs.' He said to him a second time, 'Simon, son of John, do you love me?' He said to him, 'Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.' He said to him, 'Tend my sheep.'"

45. Baptize My Disciples - Matthew 28:19

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"

46. Teach Them to Obey My Commands - Matthew 28:20

"Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

47. Receive God's Power - Luke 24:49

"And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."

48. Make Disciples - Matthew 28:19-20

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

All of these things He instructed to Israel not the Church. His Ministry was to Israel, but yes His death and Resurrection carried over to the Church and the Elect:


Matthew 15:24 KJV
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6 KJV
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: [6] but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:26-27 KJV
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Christ's Ministry was to Israel only. Christ sent Paul to Minister to the Gentile Church with a different message in many areas.

xfrodobagginsx said:

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All of these things He instructed to Israel not the Church. His Ministry was to Israel, but yes His death and Resurrection carried over to the Church and the Elect:


Matthew 15:24 KJV
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6 KJV
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: [6] but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:26-27 KJV
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Christ's Ministry was to Israel only. Christ sent Paul to Minister to the Gentile Church with a different message in many areas.

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This is precisely why I said what I said about your hyper-dispensationalist form of Chrisitanity rejecting the gospels. Romans 1:16. Salvation was offered to the Jews first chronologically, and when they rejected it to the Gentiles. There is only one gospel, not a gospel for Jews and a gospel for Gentiles.

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