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No response to my questions about Mr. Feldick?
I'm sorry I must have missed it. What questions did you have?
From my post up the page:
"Why did Mr. Feldick not belong to or accept the authority of any specific denomination?
I have to say that bothers me a bit, because that's what a lot of Mega-churches do, the ones which end up teaching whatever gets them popular and rich. Not saying Mr. Feldick was that way, but if someone is to teach the Bible, it matters where and how they learned what they are teaching.
I can't speak for him and neither can he, (he is deceased), but I can give my opinion. A lot of Churches drop the Denominational title because they know that people will tune them out before hearing their message rather than hearing the message and processing it fir what it is. His Authority is the Word of God that he quotes it to back him up. He do doesn't need a Church or Denomination or organization to affirm his views. He needs The Word of God. And Les shows in detail how the Bible fits together perfectly. No fancy degrees. Greatest Bible I have ever heard.
What was Mr. Feldick's explanation for those who do not experience Christ through direct witness by a believer in this life?
Well, there are certainly people who have Revelations from Jesus Christ and dreams and visions and come to salvation in Him. His view is that only those who place their faith in Jesus Christ, that He shed His blood as the sacrifice for our sins will go to heaven. And I agree with him.
Mr. Feldick wrote that "We believe the true believer will live a life pleasing to God [Titus 2:1, 12, & 13, Galatians 5:22 & 23]"
But a plain reading shows, to me at least, that we believers must persevere to grow our faith and while this journey pleases God, we should not imagine we are already perfected, as Mr. Feldick seems to imply.
Perfected in Les Feldick's view means maturity, not a perfect person. The journey leads to maturity (perfection). It is Christ, vis the Holy Spirit leading the believer to maturity, not the believer.
Also, I am curious about Mr. Feldick's statement that "We believe the lost of all the ages will be resurrected and appear before the great white throne and then sent to their eternal doom [John 5:28 & 29, Revelation 20:11-15]."
In your opinion, why would God resurrect someone just to punish them for eternity? I do believe that if someone does not accept the Lord, he or she is not reborn and will suffer the consequence of their sins, but to me that has always been a matter of us choosing our outcome through selfish pride rather than letting the Lord redeem us, while Mr. Feldick seems to be saying God chooses to cause maximum suffering in some cases.
Yes, The Great White Throne Judgement is the final judgement of the Non Believers. He resurrects them at the end of time to give them a fair trial of their lives and the final consequences of their actions. For instance, Mohammad started Islam, murdered, raped and tortured thousands of people, but also, the consequences of his false religion are still causing violence, rape, murder and destruction all over middle east & the world. It is also sadly leading countless millions of Muslims to an eternal hell. Mohammed will be judged for each and every person he leads astray, past, present and future of his actions and the other misery caused by his actions. That's why God is waiting until the end of time to judge them.
I am curious about your thoughts"
Thanks Frodo.
My responses are in bold above. Let me know of you have any more questions.
No problem.
Will be similar for Martin Luther and the nun he snuck out in a barrel etc etc
I would think that Martin Luther got it right. He believed in salvation by grace through faith In Christ Alone believing that He died and rose from the dead as a sacrifice for our sins. That's Romans 10:9 ,10 -13
"Faith in Christ alone"? Well that's a new spin.
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Well, when you cut out the rest of what he actually said, you sometimes get different meaning from what he actually said.
He just didn't want to say "faith alone" as we know 
Not sure any Christian twists on Catholicism think they keed faith in someone other than Christ (how he she wrote it, "Christ alone")
Also ironic given the point of view here of a few that ignore dozens of versus that should be considered in addition to just John 3:16 but they've been given the information to do with it as they choose for their soul
In the end God will make all crystal clear no doubt
How is "faith in Christ alone" any different from "faith alone"??
Another confusing take.
Because if you say faith alone then the question is Faith and what? Faith and faith? Faith in a rock? But if you say faith in Christ alone that is correct. Faith alone really means faith in Christ alone. But I want to make that very clear because it's very important.
But this is the twist of the Protestant. For some reason itnirks you to more correctly say what you believe in "faith alone in Christ" which is what y'all who believe this would debate me as several in this thread have tried to do
So you twist it and say "faith in Christ alone"
Why?
Excluding Mohammed? Buddha? Dalia lama?
No. You know why.
What Christian has faith in something besides Christ / God?
Tricky tricky
It's not tricky at all. Many other Denominationa of Christianity believe in Faith + Works= Salvatiom. But the Bible.says that those who add Works to Grace through Faith, nullify Grace. In other words, they aren't saved because they are polluting the Gospel. This is why Christians are ao passionate about Faith in Christ Alone.
No Christian is passionate about faith in Christ alone unless all Christian's are passionate about faith in Christ alone
Protestants are passionate about faith alone in Christ as had been Demonstrated here by a few. That's ultimately bordering on at best a huge misunderstanding and at worst heresy though sadly.
Please provide chapter and verse of works nullifying grace. Thank you
Baptist is by Far the Largest non Catholic Denomination and that is a core teaching of a Baptist. Salvation by Faith in Christ alone, without works, believing that He died and that He died and rose again for your sins. It's not a heresy, it's what the Bible says.
I don't know of the size of the Baptist faith relative to Catholicism or how that's counted across the various and denominations. But as we've discussed ad nauseum there's only one place the words "faith alone" appear in the Bible.
And that core teaching you mention of course is one of the biggest differentiations the split from the trunk espouses. Doesn't make it right. God will reveal all of course. Hopefully for the Protestants, that belief isn't a deal breaker. Obviously the 2,000 years of Catholicism see it differently.
Romans 3:27 NKJV
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
But the phrase ' faith wothout the deeds of the Law' mean the same thing and they are are all over Paul's writings to the Church.
Romans 3:28 NKJV
[28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.3.28.NKJV
Nothing added to faith:
Romans 3:22 NKJV
[22] even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
We've already been through all this.
Again, post the verse that says "faith alone" please. There's only one. You haven't posted it but you know which one it is. (Well I assume but one should never assume)
So, Let's get this straight, the phrases "Faith without the deeds of the Law", "Not Of Works", "Not by works of Righteousness which we have done" and many more, have to be phraed 'Faith Alone' before you can understand that it's by Faith Alone without works?
Romans 4:5 NKJV
[5] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Grace is when God does something for you that you cannot do for yourself . We are saved by grace through Faith...Faith is how we access God's Grace
Romans 5:2 NKJV
[2] through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
I guess you just want to be even just intellectually dishonest maybe? In other threads we've already explained those verses and "works" refer to "works of the law" cleary, meaning the Mosaic laws and if you understand the context you know why Paul was saying that ie "works of the law".
But it's still not the one verse in the Bible that says "faith alone".
Can you please provide it?
You're trying to make the case that a core tenant of the Baptist faith is "faith alone" but then you provide verses on works of mosaic law but not the verse that explicitly states "faith alone" from our Bible.
I already made my case. It's otbjust works of the Law, It's any work of righteousness. It doesn't say works of the Law here. It says any work of righteousness
Titus 3:5 NKJV
[5] not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
Why does no one want to post the single verse jn the Bible that says "faith alone"?
It really weakens your argument. You can focus on the rest and make this claim or that but is disingenuous or intellectually dishonest to not acknowledge this verse.
I could much more respect your attempts to defend your position but the ignoring of even that verse screams volumes.
It would be like a Catholic ignoring John 3:16 which is critical to the Catholic belief from the beginning on grace. It's just that the Protestant view picks and chooses and suggests "look, it's not that hard. All you have to do is this one tiny little thing that requires nothing else of you. No pain. No sacrificie. Just think this in your mind really really hard and you go to Heaven."
How hard? How do you know youve thought it hard enough? Nobody knows. None of us can measure it. Only God. There's no litmus test or measuring stick to calibrate but the Protestants know they have "enough". Seems good enough to ensure you're on the narrow path I guess. I hope so for the Protestants sake.
But dodging my question by all the Protestants here is a bit disappointing in a debate or discussion.
And yes, Paul was clearly talking about"works" of the mosaic law. That is the context clearly given the audience, time and example he used. It's been documented by countless authors and Church Fathers for millennia despite what Martin Luther and his progeny said thousands of years later over 40 generations removed from our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
