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Oldbear83 said:

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Realitybites said:

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while the Protestants are heretical and offensive to Christ

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As an Orthodox Christian, it is difficult to speak of "Protestants" as a group because there is such a wide variation in what the different denominations believe.

This is why we refer to Protestants as heterodox, not heretical.

While this Protestant reformation undoubtedly began with good intentions it very quickly became a process of continual innovation. Under that label there are groups that are much closer to the faith once delivered to the Saints such as confessional Lutherans and others such as oneness and prosperity preaching Pentecostals, liberal Methodists, etc who are inhabiting a space in a galaxy far, far away.

I do not believe that confessional Lutherans are offensive to Christ. I cannot say the same about the other two groups.

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I agree that throwing all 'Protestants' into one box is a mistake, Southern Baptists are very different from Episcopalians and United Methodists (how far has the UMC strayed!), as obvious examples, and that's not touching all the non-denominational churches which seem to me to be Christian only in advertising.

I also agree with you, RealityBites, that we should all consider whether a certain person's preaching and teaching is in line with what Jesus did and taught. No one should imagine that the Gospel was about money and comfort in this life, especially knowing the poverty of the prophets and the Saints in Scripture. No one should read that we are to 'take up our cross and follow Christ', and take that to mean we should expect an easy life with no trouble. And no one should forget that Satan hates all believers and will persecute and attack believers throughout their lives. Just one reason we are constantly warned to persevere to the end.

I do wish there was more clear affirmation among various denominations on the common ground we share.

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some of the most powerful churches spiritually that I know of are non denominational.

These churches are preaching the full word of God(Heaven, hell, the narrow gate), telling their members to read their own bible daily and not just listen to sermons, telling them to pray 1-3 hours a day and help the least of us and they are growing at a rapid rate in members, God is feeding these churches in accordance with John 6:44

xfrodobagginsx said:

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Chris Thomlin

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Amen

xfrodobagginsx said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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So what happens to all the Asians, Indians, Arabs, Jews, Americans and European non believers?

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The same thing that happens to all white non believers
God doesn't favor one race over another as it pertains to Salvation.

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those that do not have the opportunity to know Christ are judged differently than those that did and rejected him

2 Peter 2:21
For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.

xfrodobagginsx said:

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Realitybites said:

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In the end, God is the one who determines who gets to heaven and who doesn't…and that's ok. We don't have to live with some constant reassurance of our personal salvation if we live with the constant assurance of who God is.

I don't know if at the end of my life I will be welcomed into heaven by Christ or told to depart because He never knew me. Neither do any of you, because that would assume a level of knowledge humans are incapable of this side of heaven.

I certainly hope for the former, but I know that whatever His decision is, it will be the right one.

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Well that's false because the Bible clearly tells us what we must do to be saved.

Romans 10:9,10,13 tells us that if we confess Jesus Christ as our Lord and believe in our heart that He died and rose again, we will be saved. It goes on to say for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I know I am going to heaven because my faith is in what He did for me on the cross to pay for my sins.

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Salvation has a very low burden, call it 30%(parable of the sower)

Attaining the full measure or even the double portion is much tougher.

There are many on Earth that cant see past their own pride and arrogance which will keep them from the full measure of Heaven's riches.

If an evangelist/pastor who has a large church is given 50 talents but only uses 30 of them, then his reward will be less in Heaven than the man in his church who recieved 10 talents but used all 10 effectively to the glory of God through Christ Jesus.

Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Agree to disagree. You should know, of course, that anytime you make the assertion that Peter was the Christ-anointed Church, rather than one of the leaders of the Church built on Faith, I will challenge the claim.

One reason the early Church survived the persecutions, after all, was because the leadership was decentralized and the Church would not be undone by the imprisonment or death of any one leader.

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Correct.

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Sort of. The church survived in part because its hierarchy was replaceable, but without a hierarchy it would not have survived.

Sam Lowry said:

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Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Agree to disagree. You should know, of course, that anytime you make the assertion that Peter was the Christ-anointed Church, rather than one of the leaders of the Church built on Faith, I will challenge the claim.

One reason the early Church survived the persecutions, after all, was because the leadership was decentralized and the Church would not be undone by the imprisonment or death of any one leader.

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Correct.

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Sort of. The church survived in part because its hierarchy was replaceable, but without a hierarchy it would not have survived.

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Wrong again, Sam.

Sam Lowry said:

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Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Agree to disagree. You should know, of course, that anytime you make the assertion that Peter was the Christ-anointed Church, rather than one of the leaders of the Church built on Faith, I will challenge the claim.

One reason the early Church survived the persecutions, after all, was because the leadership was decentralized and the Church would not be undone by the imprisonment or death of any one leader.

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Correct.

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Sort of. The church survived in part because its hierarchy was replaceable, but without a hierarchy it would not have survived.

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The Church survived because of Christ. CHRIST is the Rock:

Matthew 16:18 NKJV
[18] And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

I Corinthians 10:4 NKJV
[4] and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Are church elders considered spiritual leaders of their church family?

New religions don't survive without hierarchies. If the early church had been organized in the way of today's non-denominational "Bible" churches, we would never have heard of it.

Sam Lowry said:

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New religions don't survive without hierarchies. If the early church had been organized in the way of today's non-denominational "Bible" churches, we would never have heard of it.

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Jesus wiped out the hierarchy of Judaism, Sam.

Things worked out.

Put your trust in Christ, not men.

4th and Inches said:

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If an evangelist/pastor who has a large church is given 50 talents but only uses 30 of them, then his reward will be less in Heaven than the man in his church who recieved 10 talents but used all 10 effectively to the glory of God through Christ Jesus.

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Are you 100% certain about this math?

Might want to double check the work against the parable.

""Then he who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.'

And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'"

(Matthew 25)

Not entirely sure that sitting on 2/5ths of what God gives you is what is called for here.

Realitybites said:

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4th and Inches said:

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If an evangelist/pastor who has a large church is given 50 talents but only uses 30 of them, then his reward will be less in Heaven than the man in his church who recieved 10 talents but used all 10 effectively to the glory of God through Christ Jesus.

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Are you 100% certain about this math?

Might want to double check the work against the parable.

""Then he who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.'

And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'"

(Matthew 25)

Not entirely sure that sitting on 2/5ths of what God gives you is what is called for here.

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clearly it would not be perfect but it might be acceptable. Jesus in the parable of the sower said 100,60,30% harvest

The parable of the talents said the one who used zero talents was cast into the outer darkness, it doesnt say those that were underwhelming in their performance.

I don't think looking for specific return on investment applies here. Jesus is clearly talking about where our hearts are, and whether we are putting Christ first or ourselves.

The kind of test we should all think about, I know I wouldn't pass it very often.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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New religions don't survive without hierarchies. If the early church had been organized in the way of today's non-denominational "Bible" churches, we would never have heard of it.

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Jesus wiped out the hierarchy of Judaism, Sam.

Things worked out.

Put your trust in Christ, not men.

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I agree

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Jesus: "Are you still so dull?" - Matthew 15:16.

"Mocking" was YOUR word. I was really just saying to you exactly what Jesus said there.

Here's the issue: I'VE TOLD YOU the definition. OVER AND OVER. We even had a long debate about Augustine affirming sola scriptura. The concept of "infallible source of authority" was harped on, repeatedly, because you and others were CONSTANTLY forgetting.

It's because of this, and the fact that you STILL continued to get it wrong with subsequent posts, which made me give up on your cognitive ability and ability to be honest with regard to this topic.

You asked "is that Christ-like". Well, to that, I ask you: is it Christ-like to worship Mary?

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You may have told us, but why is it such an issue to repeat it again? Seriously?

Are you trying to educate others or just stand on your soap box and proclaim YOUR truth?

Since you won't present your view again, I (and others) have presented commonly accepted views of the doctrine that are WIDELY held and accepted by many protestants.

It really doesn't matter WHICH view is presented. It could be the half-dozen views that are held by the different denominations of protestants or your super-secret, superior view. They are ALL unbiblical and made up by man. They all fall apart under scrutiny.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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You asked "is that Christ-like". Well, to that, I ask you: is it Christ-like to worship Mary?

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I noticed you dodged my question with another question, but I'll answer, because I'm not afraid of the truth.

No, it is not Christ-like to worship Mary. It's a great thing that Catholics and EO's do NOT worship Mary.

Oldbear83 said:

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Agree to disagree. You should know, of course, that anytime you make the assertion that Peter was the Christ-anointed Church, rather than one of the leaders of the Church built on Faith, I will challenge the claim.

One reason the early Church survived the persecutions, after all, was because the leadership was decentralized and the Church would not be undone by the imprisonment or death of any one leader.

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Please cite/quote the post where I "Peter was the Christ-anointed Church."

I have NEVER said or believed that. The Church does NOT teach that. I have only stated (and backed up with biblical and historical proofs) that the Church was build upon Peter and his faith.

Finally, with respect Church surviving persecution, 28 if the first 32 popes are venerated as martyrs. This lasted until 313 and the Edict of Milan.

Coke Bear said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Jesus: "Are you still so dull?" - Matthew 15:16.

"Mocking" was YOUR word. I was really just saying to you exactly what Jesus said there.

Here's the issue: I'VE TOLD YOU the definition. OVER AND OVER. We even had a long debate about Augustine affirming sola scriptura. The concept of "infallible source of authority" was harped on, repeatedly, because you and others were CONSTANTLY forgetting.

It's because of this, and the fact that you STILL continued to get it wrong with subsequent posts, which made me give up on your cognitive ability and ability to be honest with regard to this topic.

You asked "is that Christ-like". Well, to that, I ask you: is it Christ-like to worship Mary?

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You may have told us, but why is it such an issue to repeat it again? Seriously?

Are you trying to educate others or just stand on your soap box and proclaim YOUR truth?

Since you won't present your view again, I (and others) have presented commonly accepted views of the doctrine that are WIDELY held and accepted by many protestants.

It really doesn't matter WHICH view is presented. It could be the half-dozen views that are held by the different denominations of protestants or your super-secret, superior view. They are ALL unbiblical and made up by man. They all fall apart under scrutiny.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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You asked "is that Christ-like". Well, to that, I ask you: is it Christ-like to worship Mary?

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I noticed you dodged my question with another question, but I'll answer, because I'm not afraid of the truth.

No, it is not Christ-like to worship Mary. It's a great thing that Catholics and EO's do NOT worship Mary.

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Rhetorical "is that Christ-like?" questions are not meant to be answered. Good grief. You can't "dodge" those questions. On the other hand, you have continually dodged my questions that are actual, substantive questions that deal with the topic.

Go ahead - answer the questions I've been asking in here and in other threads, about the appparition messages, and water baptism vs. Eucharist. They've been dodged by you guys up to this point. And we all know why.

You've been given my definition of sola scriptura. It's the correct definition, not the definitions you provided. Sola scriptura is NOT the view that Scripture is the ONLY authority for the church. If you don't know this by now, after its been repeated to you over and over and over, then we've reached an intellectual/honesty impasse.

You're only fooling yourself at this point - if you couldn't even grasp the concept to begin with, what on earth makes you think you've debunked it?

Again, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that in no way means a slanted interpretation of Scripture counts as proof, especially when you ignore the part which debunks your claim.

Have a good one.

I Corinthians 10:4 NKJV
[4] and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Oldbear83 said:

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Again, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that in no way means a slanted interpretation of Scripture counts as proof, especially when you ignore the part which debunks your claim.

Have a good one.

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Yes, we have to believe ALL of Scripture and interpret it in that light. If it contradicts our beliefs, we must change our beliefs to conform to it ratger than trying to ignore the parts we don't agree with or that we don't understand. We must take it by faith.

Oldbear83 said:

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It's funny how people can ignore Scripture, preferring human tradition instead.

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I hear you on that:

Mark 7:6-8 NKJV
[6] He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. [7] And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' [8] For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."