US News, July 1st, 2025.

" MOSCOW (Reuters) -Russia has taken full control of Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region, more than three years after President Vladimir Putin ordered thousands of troops into Ukraine in February 2022, the Russian-backed head of the region told Russian state television."

" Russia controls nearly 19% of what is internationally recognised to be Ukraine, including Luhansk, plus over 70% of the Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, and fragments of the Kharkiv, Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk regions."

Russia will win this war, and that is a good thing. No, they aren't going to invade Poland unless Poland decides to attack. But that would be in the play stupid games, win stupid prizes category.

It is entirely possible that Ukraine disappears as a political entity with the eastern portions of the "country" and its Russian population becoming Russian oblasts and the far western portions being absorbed into Poland, Romania, etc.

Realitybites said:

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US News, July 1st, 2025.

" MOSCOW (Reuters) -Russia has taken full control of Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region, more than three years after President Vladimir Putin ordered thousands of troops into Ukraine in February 2022, the Russian-backed head of the region told Russian state television."

" Russia controls nearly 19% of what is internationally recognised to be Ukraine, including Luhansk, plus over 70% of the Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, and fragments of the Kharkiv, Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk regions."

Russia will win this war, and that is a good thing. No, they aren't going to invade Poland unless Poland decides to attack. But that would be in the play stupid games, win stupid prizes category.

It is entirely possible that Ukraine disappears as a political entity with the eastern portions of the "country" and its Russian population becoming Russian oblasts and the far western portions being absorbed into Poland, Romania, etc.

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At this point Russia should cease all advances and announce their list of peace demands

Ukraine should rid themselves of Zelensky

Remember, just a few months ago, the deal was on the table to the US to get a large portion of Ukraine's rare earth minerals. This would have prevented Vlad from advancing in that area AND most likely led to a peace deal that both sides hated but could live with. Stupid Z

Zelensky knows that when the war ends he's out of office. He's already overstated his welcome.

Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.






Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has run out of soldiers.

Trump says 'very disappointed' with conversation with Putin

"I am very disappointed with the conversation with Putin. I don't think he is there. I am very disappointed. I don't see that he looking to stop. And that's too bad." pic.twitter.com/387zfO8jMU

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) July 4, 2025

KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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He's gonna create some Golems...

Importing soldiers from North Korea. They are malnourished & diseased and pathetic soldiers but they will guarantee victory for Putin!

He might as well surrender now.

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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He's gonna create some Golems...

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One should be enough to hold the defensive line.

Three Golems would conquer Moscow .

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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Exactly how many casualties do you think Ukraine has taken? What is their population? How bad are you at math?

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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Exactly how many casualties do you think Ukraine has taken? What is their population? How bad are you at math?

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I believe Ukraine has over 300.000 of its combat aged men either killed or wounded.

Am actually pretty good at math.

Do you really think Ukraine is going to win this war ?

KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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they have nearly a half-million men reaching military age each year.......

They are choosing to fight with older demographic cohorts, but have over the course of the war starting moving the age of conscription downward. (out of necessity)

Much can be said about the limitations Ukraine faces in continuing the war. Manpower is, literally, the least of their concerns.

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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Exactly how many casualties do you think Ukraine has taken? What is their population? How bad are you at math?

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I believe Ukraine has over 300.000 of its combat aged men either killed or wounded.

Am actually pretty good at math.

Do you really think Ukraine is going to win this war ?

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they will run out of money and weaponry LONG before they run out of manpower.

(same for Russia, who is far weaker in the weapons & money category than their cheerleaders realize.)

KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.






Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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uh....no

Whiterock is an ex CIA boomer completely invested in the Victoria Nuland account of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, in realitystan...

"Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Andrii Sybiha: "Absolutely horrible and sleepless night in Kyiv. One of the worst so far.

Hundreds of Russian drones and ballistic missiles rained down on the Ukrainian capital."

Realitybites said:

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Whiterock is an ex CIA boomer completely invested in the Victoria Nuland account of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, in realitystan...

"Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Andrii Sybiha: "Absolutely horrible and sleepless night in Kyiv. One of the worst so far.

Hundreds of Russian drones and ballistic missiles rained down on the Ukrainian capital."

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Yes, we know you Russian shills and turncoats love rape and murder.

Actually generations do have specific general characteristics when viewed from a population wide perspective. While I understand you are perfectly willing to send the next generation of Ukrainians to the grave in a futile war, they may not agree. We shall see. Regardless, Russia will win this war.

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Actually generations do have specific general characteristics when viewed from a population wide perspective. While I understand you are perfectly willing to send the next generation of Ukrainians to the grave in a futile war, they may not agree. We shall see. Regardless, Russia will win this war.

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We know what Ukrainians think, and they want to defend their country to the death.

Nothing remarkable about that. with some notable exceptions, such is the norm for countries invaded by foreign powers. There is always some level of resistance that takes a bitter ending to kill. We are not very close at all to a bitter end in Ukraine. Ceteris paribus, these two can keep it up for at least 2 more years (at which time Russia will likely be more worse for the wear.

As many have predicted, Russia is at peak mobilization, peak power at this point in time. Ergo why they are so disinterested in peace negotiations. But they can only maintain this level of output it for a few more months. 2026 will be a lot harder for them. And 2027 will be even worse. Ukraine is in a relative stronger position (or perhaps better said "less bad") over that same timeframe.

For those reasons, I would assess a ceasefire to be very unlikely this year.

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Actually generations do have specific general characteristics when viewed from a population wide perspective. While I understand you are perfectly willing to send the next generation of Ukrainians to the grave in a futile war, they may not agree. We shall see. Regardless, Russia will win this war.

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Waco47 thinks exactly the same as I do.

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Actually generations do have specific general characteristics when viewed from a population wide perspective. While I understand you are perfectly willing to send the next generation of Ukrainians to the grave in a futile war, they may not agree. We shall see. Regardless, Russia will win this war.

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Waco47 thinks exactly the same as I do.

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Basically true, except he lives in constant fear of the Inquisition and you live in constant fear of the immigration.

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Realitybites said:

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Actually generations do have specific general characteristics when viewed from a population wide perspective. While I understand you are perfectly willing to send the next generation of Ukrainians to the grave in a futile war, they may not agree. We shall see. Regardless, Russia will win this war.

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Waco47 thinks exactly the same as I do.

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Basically true, except he lives in constant fear of the Inquisition and you live in constant fear of the illegal immigration.

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FIFY

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Whiterock is an ex CIA boomer completely invested in the Victoria Nuland account of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, in realitystan...

"Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Andrii Sybiha: "Absolutely horrible and sleepless night in Kyiv. One of the worst so far.

Hundreds of Russian drones and ballistic missiles rained down on the Ukrainian capital."

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There's still time for a few more delusional takes before this train hits the riverbed, and White's seizing every last chance. It should be entertaining if nothing else.

In all seriousness, I appreciate the perspective of our intel community's best and brightest right here on our very own forum. It's a privilege to read and know exactly what isn't going to happen months before anyone else does.

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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they have nearly a half-million men reaching military age each year.......

They are choosing to fight with older demographic cohorts, but have over the course of the war starting moving the age of conscription downward. (out of necessity)

Much can be said about the limitations Ukraine faces in continuing the war. Manpower is, literally, the least of their concerns.

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You mean those fighting age men that are being dragged kicking and screaming as they are pulled into unmarked vans with tinted windows in every major town square?

Yeah I'm sure they are going to fight real hard for a country that abducted them and essentially imposed a death sentence on them by shipping them into a war zone to fight for the losing side.

If I was one of those men who were kidnapped and forced into a fight I wanted no part in, I would execute my commissar at the first opportunity and surrender to the other side.

Forced conscription is an act of desperation, not strength.

The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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they have nearly a half-million men reaching military age each year.......

They are choosing to fight with older demographic cohorts, but have over the course of the war starting moving the age of conscription downward. (out of necessity)

Much can be said about the limitations Ukraine faces in continuing the war. Manpower is, literally, the least of their concerns.

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You mean those fighting age men that are being dragged kicking and screaming as they are pulled into unmarked vans with tinted windows in every major town square?

Yeah I'm sure they are going to fight real hard for a country that abducted them and essentially imposed a death sentence on them by shipping them into a war zone to fight for the losing side.

If I was one of those men who were kidnapped and forced into a fight I wanted no part in, I would execute my commissar at the first opportunity and surrender to the other side.

Forced conscription is an act of desperation, not strength.

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It happened here in the USA until Richard Nixon stopped it.

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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they have nearly a half-million men reaching military age each year.......

They are choosing to fight with older demographic cohorts, but have over the course of the war starting moving the age of conscription downward. (out of necessity)

Much can be said about the limitations Ukraine faces in continuing the war. Manpower is, literally, the least of their concerns.

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You mean those fighting age men that are being dragged kicking and screaming as they are pulled into unmarked vans with tinted windows in every major town square?

Yeah I'm sure they are going to fight real hard for a country that abducted them and essentially imposed a death sentence on them by shipping them into a war zone to fight for the losing side.

If I was one of those men who were kidnapped and forced into a fight I wanted no part in, I would execute my commissar at the first opportunity and surrender to the other side.

Forced conscription is an act of desperation, not strength.

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It happened here in the USA until Richard Nixon stopped it.

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Right.

And what was the result of Vietnam?

I have never heard anyone claim we won the war in Vietnam.

The_barBEARian said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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they have nearly a half-million men reaching military age each year.......

They are choosing to fight with older demographic cohorts, but have over the course of the war starting moving the age of conscription downward. (out of necessity)

Much can be said about the limitations Ukraine faces in continuing the war. Manpower is, literally, the least of their concerns.

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You mean those fighting age men that are being dragged kicking and screaming as they are pulled into unmarked vans with tinted windows in every major town square?

Yeah I'm sure they are going to fight real hard for a country that abducted them and essentially imposed a death sentence on them by shipping them into a war zone to fight for the losing side.

If I was one of those men who were kidnapped and forced into a fight I wanted no part in, I would execute my commissar at the first opportunity and surrender to the other side.

Forced conscription is an act of desperation, not strength.

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It happened here in the USA until Richard Nixon stopped it.

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Right.

And what was the result of Vietnam?

I have never heard anyone claim we won the war in Vietnam.

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Your comment wasn't directed at who won what, it was "Forced conscription is an act of desperation, not strength". Are you saying that all those Democrat POTUS who used it until a Republican stopped it were desperate? Not strong?

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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they have nearly a half-million men reaching military age each year.......

They are choosing to fight with older demographic cohorts, but have over the course of the war starting moving the age of conscription downward. (out of necessity)

Much can be said about the limitations Ukraine faces in continuing the war. Manpower is, literally, the least of their concerns.

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You mean those fighting age men that are being dragged kicking and screaming as they are pulled into unmarked vans with tinted windows in every major town square?

Yeah I'm sure they are going to fight real hard for a country that abducted them and essentially imposed a death sentence on them by shipping them into a war zone to fight for the losing side.

If I was one of those men who were kidnapped and forced into a fight I wanted no part in, I would execute my commissar at the first opportunity and surrender to the other side.

Forced conscription is an act of desperation, not strength.

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It happened here in the USA until Richard Nixon stopped it.

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Right.

And what was the result of Vietnam?

I have never heard anyone claim we won the war in Vietnam.

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Your comment wasn't directed at who won what, it was "Forced conscription is an act of desperation, not strength". Are you saying that all those Democrat POTUS who used it until a Republican stopped it were desperate? Not strong?

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Yes.

And we even have hindsight to valid my view.

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KaiBear said:

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Putin massing over 120,000 troops for the final push; as Ukraine is ready to collapse.

As money simply cannot replace lost blood, bone and brain matter.

Hate to see Putin win this; but Biden - Harris totally mishandled the entire situation.

Now unless Trump commits US troops, naval units and a no fly zone..............

Ukranine is finished.

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He's read the room. No help to Zelensky

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Putin has read the battlefield.....Zelensky has rin out of soldiers.

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He's no where near out. He has more potential soldier than any country in Europe right now...

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What is the source of these potential soldiers ?

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Exactly how many casualties do you think Ukraine has taken? What is their population? How bad are you at math?

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I believe Ukraine has over 300.000 of its combat aged men either killed or wounded.

Am actually pretty good at math.

Do you really think Ukraine is going to win this war ?

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How many 15,16,17 year olds are now 18+ since the war started, Pythagoras?

Kiev's persecution of the country's largest Christian church is reason enough for Washington to halt military assistance to Ukraine, US Representative Anna Paulina Luna has said, pledging to personally oppose any future weapons shipments.

The Florida Republican accused Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky of banning the Orthodox Church in a post on X on Friday, apparently referring to ongoing actions against the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) the largest religious organization in the country.

"I can promise there will be no weapons funding for you," wrote Luna, who serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

"We are not your piggy bank," she added, calling on Zelensky to "negotiate for peace" instead.