Realitybites said:

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The carrier battle group may be as irrelevant in a world with drones, sea drones, and hypersonic missles as the lone battleship was in a world with military aviation.

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agreed. a new age approaches. but today, only two countries can pose such a threat, and even then only in close proximity to their own borders. So even in the worst case, they remain highly effective tools across most of the world and can plan an important support role even against a land power like Russia. This will endure for several more decades, at minimum.

Every time I see a carrier group, I think of the Spanish Armada in 1588. The loss of even one carrier would be a historic event. The loss of two or more with any meaningful percentages of their attendant battle groups would change history itself, to include potentially signaling the end of America as the predominant world power. When you invest in capital assets, loss of capital assets are pivotal events. The only question is one of scale.

whiterock said:

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Realitybites said:

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The carrier battle group may be as irrelevant in a world with drones, sea drones, and hypersonic missles as the lone battleship was in a world with military aviation.

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agreed. a new age approaches. but today, only two countries can pose such a threat, and even then only in close proximity to their own borders. So even in the worst case, they remain highly effective tools across most of the world and can plan an important support role even against a land power like Russia. This will endure for several more decades, at minimum.

Every time I see a carrier group, I think of the Spanish Armada in 1588. The loss of even one carrier would be a historic event. The loss of two or more with any meaningful percentages of their attendant battle groups would change history itself, to include potentially signaling the end of America as the predominant world power. When you invest in capital assets, loss of capital assets are pivotal events. The only question is one of scale.

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Its also a good metric for you nations raw economic power

Regardless of if they might be technically obsolete

The USA can produce and afford 11 new multi-billion dollar carriers

China has 3 (one an old USSR-Ukraine produced ship) and has plans to eventually have 5-6 in operation. All diesel and none nuclear powered. So tied to Chinese bases and in need of constant refuel.

Russia has one…and it's been messing up so much it's now in dry dock…maybe forever. Many analysts think it will never set sail again.

Tells you a lot about the economy of each. Every new carrier the USA builds will cost us around $12-$13 billion. No one else can do that

[…nuclear-powered carrier USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78).

The Ford itself will cost US taxpayers $12.8 billion in materials and labor. This doesn't take into account the $4.7 billion spent in research and development of the new carrier class.]

Yep.

And you can bet they've got counter-measures for air/sea drone threats. Not saying the counter-measures are, or could be wholly effective. Won't know that until live-fire operations begin.

Similar arguments can be made against the carrier-capable F-35. It does not outclass the competition in dog fighting. It cannot carry a lot of ordnance. It is too expensive to produce in the kind of numbers needed to replace the F-15, F-16, F-18, etc...... And drones are the future. But the F-35 proved over Iran that it is very, very stealthy. It has robust technical capabilities. That makes it a perfect platform to command huge drone swarms, which are indeed the future of warfare (and are in development at this time).

In a world full of foreheads, a Ford Class carrier is a proverbial high-capacity pistol. Loaded up with F-35's it could, on its own, effectively destroy entire national fleets of combat aircraft (and theoretically even A2AD networks) in a single raid, anywhere in the world, on 72 hours notice or less. Nice to have that on our side.

Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

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great example of what "out of touch" looks like, Understanding that the war continues primarily because Putin does not have a viable exit scenario is the whole ballgame.

No question Trump believes it. So did Biden. The difference is in how they approached escalation management. Trump better understood Putin's plight, and tried to give him a door to take out. And now, after 8 months, Trump is signaling that the door is closing. That is going to increase odds of Russian factional struggles.

Russia cannot win this, buddy. Things are going to get worse for them from here. Putin has already had one coup attempt and is now throwing generals & ministers out of tall building windows almost weekly to forestall another. As winter approaches, the Ukrainian attacks on refineries will inflict great cost & hardship on the Russian domestic economy and on Russian treasury revenues. This harms everyone, from the boyars (oligarchs) on down. And for this cost, Putin has gotten insignificant results on the battlefield with zero prospects for victory and seen a calamitous change in Russian geopolitical situation - Sweden & Finland in Nato, Nato rejuvenation, Nato rearmament, a Polish renaissance, likely permanent Nato bases in one or more former WP/Soviet states. And now, Trump loads up Ukraine with weapons and removes restrictions on their use. He's let go of the door and going to let fate take over for a while.

Putin needs a miracle to come out of this alive.

We do not really WANT Russia to collapse. That would be incredibly destabilizing. But it's preferrable to Russian armies encamped on the Polish and Romanian borders.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

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great example of what "out of touch" looks like, Understanding that the war continues primarily because Putin does not have a viable exit scenario is the whole ballgame.

No question Trump believes it. So did Biden. The difference is in how they approached escalation management. Trump better understood Putin's plight, and tried to give him a door to take out. And now, after 8 months, Trump is signaling that the door is closing. That is going to increase odds of Russian factional struggles.

Russia cannot win this, buddy. Things are going to get worse for them from here. Putin has already had one coup attempt and is now throwing generals & ministers out of tall building windows almost weekly to forestall another. As winter approaches, the Ukrainian attacks on refineries will inflict great cost & hardship on the Russian domestic economy and on Russian treasury revenues. This harms everyone, from the boyars (oligarchs) on down. And for this cost, Putin has gotten insignificant results on the battlefield with zero prospects for victory and seen a calamitous change in Russian geopolitical situation - Sweden & Finland in Nato, Nato rejuvenation, Nato rearmament, a Polish renaissance, likely permanent Nato bases in one or more former WP/Soviet states. And now, Trump loads up Ukraine with weapons and removes restrictions on their use. He's let go of the door and going to let fate take over for a while.

Putin needs a miracle to come out of this alive.

We do not really WANT Russia to collapse. That would be incredibly destabilizing. But it's preferrable to Russian armies encamped on the Polish and Romanian borders.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

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great example of what "out of touch" looks like, Understanding that the war continues primarily because Putin does not have a viable exit scenario is the whole ballgame.

No question Trump believes it. So did Biden. The difference is in how they approached escalation management. Trump better understood Putin's plight, and tried to give him a door to take out. And now, after 8 months, Trump is signaling that the door is closing. That is going to increase odds of Russian factional struggles.

Russia cannot win this, buddy. Things are going to get worse for them from here. Putin has already had one coup attempt and is now throwing generals & ministers out of tall building windows almost weekly to forestall another. As winter approaches, the Ukrainian attacks on refineries will inflict great cost & hardship on the Russian domestic economy and on Russian treasury revenues. This harms everyone, from the boyars (oligarchs) on down. And for this cost, Putin has gotten insignificant results on the battlefield with zero prospects for victory and seen a calamitous change in Russian geopolitical situation - Sweden & Finland in Nato, Nato rejuvenation, Nato rearmament, a Polish renaissance, likely permanent Nato bases in one or more former WP/Soviet states. And now, Trump loads up Ukraine with weapons and removes restrictions on their use. He's let go of the door and going to let fate take over for a while.

Putin needs a miracle to come out of this alive.

We do not really WANT Russia to collapse. That would be incredibly destabilizing. But it's preferrable to Russian armies encamped on the Polish and Romanian borders.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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LOL Oh these propaganda myths again....

Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

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great example of what "out of touch" looks like, Understanding that the war continues primarily because Putin does not have a viable exit scenario is the whole ballgame.

No question Trump believes it. So did Biden. The difference is in how they approached escalation management. Trump better understood Putin's plight, and tried to give him a door to take out. And now, after 8 months, Trump is signaling that the door is closing. That is going to increase odds of Russian factional struggles.

Russia cannot win this, buddy. Things are going to get worse for them from here. Putin has already had one coup attempt and is now throwing generals & ministers out of tall building windows almost weekly to forestall another. As winter approaches, the Ukrainian attacks on refineries will inflict great cost & hardship on the Russian domestic economy and on Russian treasury revenues. This harms everyone, from the boyars (oligarchs) on down. And for this cost, Putin has gotten insignificant results on the battlefield with zero prospects for victory and seen a calamitous change in Russian geopolitical situation - Sweden & Finland in Nato, Nato rejuvenation, Nato rearmament, a Polish renaissance, likely permanent Nato bases in one or more former WP/Soviet states. And now, Trump loads up Ukraine with weapons and removes restrictions on their use. He's let go of the door and going to let fate take over for a while.

Putin needs a miracle to come out of this alive.

We do not really WANT Russia to collapse. That would be incredibly destabilizing. But it's preferrable to Russian armies encamped on the Polish and Romanian borders.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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LOL Oh these propaganda myths again....

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Truly amazing, isn't it. Doesn't really matter whether or not Russia's position on the battlefield "couldn't be better." They cannot exploit what they have and they cannot continue doing what they're doing.

Most like scenario would be for Putin successor to sue for peace because they will have no other choice. Then there will be an internal challenge to that replacement. Then there will be a consolidation.

The only question is whether that happens in 2026 or 2027.

BREAKING:

Wall Street Journal reports that Trump has signed an order for the U.S. to start providing Ukraine with intelligence for long-range strikes against energy infrastructure deep inside Russia for the first time since the war started.

The U.S. is also considering sending… pic.twitter.com/7275Mxo3cu

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 2, 2025

Sam Lowry said:

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

Realitybites said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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LOL.

Ukraine is losing yards per day; Russia is losing thousands of soldiers per day.
Ukraine, with Nato support, can keep that up indefinitely.
Russia cannot.

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

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great example of what "out of touch" looks like, Understanding that the war continues primarily because Putin does not have a viable exit scenario is the whole ballgame.

No question Trump believes it. So did Biden. The difference is in how they approached escalation management. Trump better understood Putin's plight, and tried to give him a door to take out. And now, after 8 months, Trump is signaling that the door is closing. That is going to increase odds of Russian factional struggles.

Russia cannot win this, buddy. Things are going to get worse for them from here. Putin has already had one coup attempt and is now throwing generals & ministers out of tall building windows almost weekly to forestall another. As winter approaches, the Ukrainian attacks on refineries will inflict great cost & hardship on the Russian domestic economy and on Russian treasury revenues. This harms everyone, from the boyars (oligarchs) on down. And for this cost, Putin has gotten insignificant results on the battlefield with zero prospects for victory and seen a calamitous change in Russian geopolitical situation - Sweden & Finland in Nato, Nato rejuvenation, Nato rearmament, a Polish renaissance, likely permanent Nato bases in one or more former WP/Soviet states. And now, Trump loads up Ukraine with weapons and removes restrictions on their use. He's let go of the door and going to let fate take over for a while.

Putin needs a miracle to come out of this alive.

We do not really WANT Russia to collapse. That would be incredibly destabilizing. But it's preferrable to Russian armies encamped on the Polish and Romanian borders.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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Buddy they have lost 100k-200k men killed or wounded to take an area about the size of East Texas.

I would not call that great or "position that couldn't be better"

God only knows what they have spent on this war (billions at least)

It's been barely above a disaster for them.

A leaking wound with no real sign it will end anytime soon.

That seems bad for Russia

Even if we haggle over exact numbers and equipment lost…it's a big number

[Russian equipment captured or destroyed
01.10.2025
Tanks 11223 (+1)
Armored fighting vehicle 23294 (+3)
Artillery systems 33324 (+13)
MLRS 1505
Anti-aircraft warfare 1224
Planes 427
Helicopters 346
UAV 65552 (+249)
Cruise missiles 3790
Ships (boats) 28
Submarines 1
Cars and cisterns 63274 (+33)
Special equipment 3979]

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This is an existential fight for the Russians. 100-200K is a rounding error compared to what they lost in WW2. Their army continues to grow by the month, along with their stockpiles of arms and ammunition. In a war of attrition, territory isn't the main measure of success. It's very much to Russia's advantage to let the Ukrainians come to them. The gradual pace lets them minimize casualties and do the bulk of the fighting where the population is friendly and the supply lines relatively short. Once the Donbas is secured, the terrain becomes much more difficult for a depleted Ukrainian army to defend.

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

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great example of what "out of touch" looks like, Understanding that the war continues primarily because Putin does not have a viable exit scenario is the whole ballgame.

No question Trump believes it. So did Biden. The difference is in how they approached escalation management. Trump better understood Putin's plight, and tried to give him a door to take out. And now, after 8 months, Trump is signaling that the door is closing. That is going to increase odds of Russian factional struggles.

Russia cannot win this, buddy. Things are going to get worse for them from here. Putin has already had one coup attempt and is now throwing generals & ministers out of tall building windows almost weekly to forestall another. As winter approaches, the Ukrainian attacks on refineries will inflict great cost & hardship on the Russian domestic economy and on Russian treasury revenues. This harms everyone, from the boyars (oligarchs) on down. And for this cost, Putin has gotten insignificant results on the battlefield with zero prospects for victory and seen a calamitous change in Russian geopolitical situation - Sweden & Finland in Nato, Nato rejuvenation, Nato rearmament, a Polish renaissance, likely permanent Nato bases in one or more former WP/Soviet states. And now, Trump loads up Ukraine with weapons and removes restrictions on their use. He's let go of the door and going to let fate take over for a while.

Putin needs a miracle to come out of this alive.

We do not really WANT Russia to collapse. That would be incredibly destabilizing. But it's preferrable to Russian armies encamped on the Polish and Romanian borders.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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Buddy they have lost 100k-200k men killed or wounded to take an area about the size of East Texas.

I would not call that great or "position that couldn't be better"

God only knows what they have spent on this war (billions at least)

It's been barely above a disaster for them.

A leaking wound with no real sign it will end anytime soon.

That seems bad for Russia

Even if we haggle over exact numbers and equipment lost…it's a big number

[Russian equipment captured or destroyed
01.10.2025
Tanks 11223 (+1)
Armored fighting vehicle 23294 (+3)
Artillery systems 33324 (+13)
MLRS 1505
Anti-aircraft warfare 1224
Planes 427
Helicopters 346
UAV 65552 (+249)
Cruise missiles 3790
Ships (boats) 28
Submarines 1
Cars and cisterns 63274 (+33)
Special equipment 3979]

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This is an existential fight for the Russians. 100-200K is a rounding error compared to what they lost in WW2. Their army continues to grow by the month, along with their stockpiles of arms and ammunition. In a war of attrition, territory isn't the main measure of success. It's very much to Russia's advantage to let the Ukrainians come to them. The gradual pace lets them minimize casualties and do the bulk of the fighting where the population is friendly and the supply lines relatively short. Once the Donbas is secured, the terrain becomes much more difficult for a depleted Ukrainian army to defend.

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LOL no.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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Ukraine is losing yards per day

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You're about two years behind the curve.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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Ukraine is losing yards per day

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You're about two years behind the curve.

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you're about a million behind the Russian casualty numbers.

East Tx is roughly 40k square miles.
Russia holds roughly 45k square miles of Ukraine.
That's not this year's gains. That's a cumulative effort over a 3.5 year war.
Russia is gaining yards of ground per day, on a good day. Some days none. Some days a neighborhood. Some days a building. And when they capture that building, Sam proclaims they captured a city.

Ukraine, as long as it has financial and military backing of Nato, can and will outlast Russia, whose casualty ratio exceeds Ukraine's by a factor greater than their population advantage. it is Russia who will run out of men first (if they continue to feed untrained troops into suicidal assaults on well prepared Ukrainian positions).

The war is not existential for Russia. Never was. Never will be.
It is existential for the man who started it. The more likely the scenario for peace, the less likely he is to survive politically. THAT is why the war continues. Putin, personally, cannot afford to stop it.

Think about that. A million casualties to capture East Tx. Incredible.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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Ukraine is losing yards per day

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You're about two years behind the curve.

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you're about a million behind the Russian casualty numbers.

East Tx is roughly 40k square miles.
Russia holds roughly 45k square miles of Ukraine.
That's not this year's gains. That's a cumulative effort over a 3.5 year war.
Russia is gaining yards of ground per day, on a good day. Some days none. Some days a neighborhood. Some days a building. And when they capture that building, Sam proclaims they captured a city.

Ukraine, as long as it has financial and military backing of Nato, can and will outlast Russia, whose casualty ratio exceeds Ukraine's by a factor greater than their population advantage. it is Russia who will run out of men first (if they continue to feed untrained troops into suicidal assaults on well prepared Ukrainian positions).

The war is not existential for Russia. Never was. Never will be.
It is existential for the man who started it. The more likely the scenario for peace, the less likely he is to survive politically. THAT is why the war continues. Putin, personally, cannot afford to stop it.

Think about that. A million casualties to capture East Tx. Incredible.

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What's incredible is that you believe this stuff. I don't even think you really do.

If Russia hasn't matched our escalations, it's only because they've been so ineffective. The longer they continue, the more pressure will be on Putin to teach the West a lesson.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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Ukraine is losing yards per day

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You're about two years behind the curve.

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you're about a million behind the Russian casualty numbers.

East Tx is roughly 40k square miles.
Russia holds roughly 45k square miles of Ukraine.
That's not this year's gains. That's a cumulative effort over a 3.5 year war.
Russia is gaining yards of ground per day, on a good day. Some days none. Some days a neighborhood. Some days a building. And when they capture that building, Sam proclaims they captured a city.

Ukraine, as long as it has financial and military backing of Nato, can and will outlast Russia, whose casualty ratio exceeds Ukraine's by a factor greater than their population advantage. it is Russia who will run out of men first (if they continue to feed untrained troops into suicidal assaults on well prepared Ukrainian positions).

The war is not existential for Russia. Never was. Never will be.
It is existential for the man who started it. The more likely the scenario for peace, the less likely he is to survive politically. THAT is why the war continues. Putin, personally, cannot afford to stop it.

Think about that. A million casualties to capture East Tx. Incredible.

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What's incredible is that you believe this stuff. I don't even think you really do.

If Russia hasn't matched our escalations, it's only because they've been so ineffective. The longer they continue, the more pressure will be on Putin to teach the West a lesson.

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LOL simply amazing

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President Vladimir Putin gave a lengthy speech on October 2 before the 22nd annual meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club, often called "Russia's Davos," before answering questions for three hours. In this nearly four-hour long media appearance, the president communicated his views on a variety of subjects, ranging from immigration to multipolarity, to Russian elites in various sectors of society for the coming year's planning.

The subject of the conference was polycentrism and multipolarity (two related concepts in international relations referring to the end of the unipolar moment). Putin expressed a belief that we already live in a multipolar era. "In fact, the multipolarity that has emerged is already shaping the framework, within which the governments act."
"It's a much more open, one might even say creative, space for foreign policy behavior." Putin stated. "Practically nothing is predetermined, everything can go differently."

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-goals-in-his-own-words/

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Yeah we're definitely at war, only a matter of time before it escalates rapidly.

We're at war. https://t.co/MZjFljXIhO

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 29, 2025

Lindsay Graham is probably the happiest he's ever been

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We've been at war since 2022 and it hasn't escalated yet. It won't now, either. Russia is too weak to do anything but try to bluff NATO into backing down. And NATO is not going to back down.

The driving force in events now is that Putin cannot let the war end. There is no viable outcome which allows him to survive politically, so he has to soldier on hoping that some future event(s) transform the situation. Note today's comments by Lavrov re Russia using its upcoming chairmanship of the UNSC to review the Dayton Accords (in an attempt to destabilize the Balkans).

Trump has tried (at considerable political cost domestically) to leave an escape hatch open for Putin. Didn't work. This policy change acknowledges that reality and sets in motion the forces necessary to force Russian collapse, which appears almost inevitable as long as Putin is alive. Russia cannot fail to grasp that this change of policy announced by Trump is a clear signal we are willing to risk Russian collapse. That will in turn increase incentive for factions to move against Putin.

Not necessarily saying that will or won't happen, or when. Just looking where the tectonic plates are and the forces moving against them. Hell, Lavrov may be able to pull a Serbian rabbit out of his hat in the UNSC. Short of something like that, though, it's hard to see a scenario where Russia gets a good enough outcome for Putin to survive.

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Of course no sensible person believes any of that. The real question is whether Trump believes it.

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great example of what "out of touch" looks like, Understanding that the war continues primarily because Putin does not have a viable exit scenario is the whole ballgame.

No question Trump believes it. So did Biden. The difference is in how they approached escalation management. Trump better understood Putin's plight, and tried to give him a door to take out. And now, after 8 months, Trump is signaling that the door is closing. That is going to increase odds of Russian factional struggles.

Russia cannot win this, buddy. Things are going to get worse for them from here. Putin has already had one coup attempt and is now throwing generals & ministers out of tall building windows almost weekly to forestall another. As winter approaches, the Ukrainian attacks on refineries will inflict great cost & hardship on the Russian domestic economy and on Russian treasury revenues. This harms everyone, from the boyars (oligarchs) on down. And for this cost, Putin has gotten insignificant results on the battlefield with zero prospects for victory and seen a calamitous change in Russian geopolitical situation - Sweden & Finland in Nato, Nato rejuvenation, Nato rearmament, a Polish renaissance, likely permanent Nato bases in one or more former WP/Soviet states. And now, Trump loads up Ukraine with weapons and removes restrictions on their use. He's let go of the door and going to let fate take over for a while.

Putin needs a miracle to come out of this alive.

We do not really WANT Russia to collapse. That would be incredibly destabilizing. But it's preferrable to Russian armies encamped on the Polish and Romanian borders.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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Buddy they have lost 100k-200k men killed or wounded to take an area about the size of East Texas.

I would not call that great or "position that couldn't be better"

God only knows what they have spent on this war (billions at least)

It's been barely above a disaster for them.

A leaking wound with no real sign it will end anytime soon.

That seems bad for Russia

Even if we haggle over exact numbers and equipment lost…it's a big number

[Russian equipment captured or destroyed
01.10.2025
Tanks 11223 (+1)
Armored fighting vehicle 23294 (+3)
Artillery systems 33324 (+13)
MLRS 1505
Anti-aircraft warfare 1224
Planes 427
Helicopters 346
UAV 65552 (+249)
Cruise missiles 3790
Ships (boats) 28
Submarines 1
Cars and cisterns 63274 (+33)
Special equipment 3979]

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Take it easy on Sam. It's hard being a propagandist for Putin.

A good predictor of what is actually going on or what will actually happen is to take Sam's predictions, and then predict the complete opposite. Ends up being right the vast majority of the time.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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LOL at the WW3 predictions.

I'd submit you might want to remember how your predictions of WW3 due to the Iran nuclear facility bombings turned out.

In short, you just might be overreacting just a tad...

Pokrovsk reportedly on its last legs as Ukrainian troops begin fleeing the city.

Major corruption scandal engulfs top Zelensky allies

Ukraine's energy and justice ministers have resigned in the wake of a major investigation into corruption in the country's energy sector.

President Volodymyr Zelensky called for Energy Minister Svitlana Grynchuk and Justice Minister Herman Halushchenko's removal on Wednesday.

On Monday anti-corruption bodies accused several people of orchestrating a embezzlement scheme in the energy sector worth about $100m (76m), including at the national nuclear operator Enerhoatom.

Some of those implicated in the scandal are - or have been - close associates of Zelensky's.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (Nabu) and Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (Sap) said the investigation - which was 15 months in the making and involved 1,000 hours of audio recordings - uncovered the participation of several members of the Ukrainian government.

The scandal is unfolding against the backdrop of escalating Russian attacks on Ukrainian energy facilities, including substations that supply electricity to nuclear power plants.

It will also shine a spotlight on corruption in Ukraine, which continues to be endemic despite work by Nabu and Sap in the 10 years since they were created.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8vw62j3g9o

Sam Lowry said:

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Major corruption scandal engulfs top Zelensky allies

Ukraine's energy and justice ministers have resigned in the wake of a major investigation into corruption in the country's energy sector.

President Volodymyr Zelensky called for Energy Minister Svitlana Grynchuk and Justice Minister Herman Halushchenko's removal on Wednesday.

On Monday anti-corruption bodies accused several people of orchestrating a embezzlement scheme in the energy sector worth about $100m (76m), including at the national nuclear operator Enerhoatom.

Some of those implicated in the scandal are - or have been - close associates of Zelensky's.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (Nabu) and Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (Sap) said the investigation - which was 15 months in the making and involved 1,000 hours of audio recordings - uncovered the participation of several members of the Ukrainian government.

The scandal is unfolding against the backdrop of escalating Russian attacks on Ukrainian energy facilities, including substations that supply electricity to nuclear power plants.

It will also shine a spotlight on corruption in Ukraine, which continues to be endemic despite work by Nabu and Sap in the 10 years since they were created.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8vw62j3g9o

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Ukraine learned from the best!

The difference is that Ukraine is actually doing something about it. The Zelensky administration has uncovered and prosecuted more corruption in the last 5 years than Putin has in decades. Then again, that shouldn't be a surprise given Russia is run by Putin's family, friends, and mob.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Major corruption scandal engulfs top Zelensky allies

Ukraine's energy and justice ministers have resigned in the wake of a major investigation into corruption in the country's energy sector.

President Volodymyr Zelensky called for Energy Minister Svitlana Grynchuk and Justice Minister Herman Halushchenko's removal on Wednesday.

On Monday anti-corruption bodies accused several people of orchestrating a embezzlement scheme in the energy sector worth about $100m (76m), including at the national nuclear operator Enerhoatom.

Some of those implicated in the scandal are - or have been - close associates of Zelensky's.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (Nabu) and Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (Sap) said the investigation - which was 15 months in the making and involved 1,000 hours of audio recordings - uncovered the participation of several members of the Ukrainian government.

The scandal is unfolding against the backdrop of escalating Russian attacks on Ukrainian energy facilities, including substations that supply electricity to nuclear power plants.

It will also shine a spotlight on corruption in Ukraine, which continues to be endemic despite work by Nabu and Sap in the 10 years since they were created.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8vw62j3g9o

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Ukraine learned from the best!

The difference is that Ukraine is actually doing something about it. The Zelensky administration has uncovered and prosecuted more corruption in the last 5 years than Putin has in decades. Then again, that shouldn't be a surprise given Russia is run by Putin's family, friends, and mob.

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Zelensky isn't doing anything except panicking. His "anti-corruption" agencies are there to protect the grifters we like and prosecute the ones we don't. He's increasingly finding himself on the wrong side of that line.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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Ukraine is losing yards per day

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You're about two years behind the curve.

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East Tx is roughly 40k square miles.
Russia holds roughly 45k square miles of Ukraine.
That's not this year's gains. That's a cumulative effort over a 3.5 years…

Think about that. A million casualties to capture East Tx. Incredible.

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Yep, also proves that Russia is simply not a major military rival to the USA

America invaded and conquered Iraq (169,235 sq miles) in about 30 days.

And we went across the globe to do it. While Russia has highways connecting right into Ukraine..lol

They are simply not in the same league with the USA and are far to corrupt to ever be so.

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Russia's position on the battlefield couldn't be better. The only real point of contention on their side is whether to stay the course or escalate in order to end the war sooner. If Putin is replaced, it won't be by someone who's looking to capitulate. It will be the kind of person who wants to drop a tactical nuke on Europe to show the dullards that they're serious. We didn't really want Russia to collapse at the end of the Cold War. Today we do, and that understanding will inform all of their decisions no matter who's in charge.

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True. With every passing month Ukraine loses more territory and men. Rather than listening to propaganda from NATO brass or their sockpuppet if you listen to voices from the Ukrainian military it becomes clear how badly they are losing.

Greenlighting long range strikes on Russian infrastructure is not MAGA.

The uniparty is pro death, whether it is raiding a house to euthanize a pet squirrel, trying to kill a bunch of ostriches at a farm in Canada (currently), abortion, or World War 3.

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Ukraine is losing yards per day

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You're about two years behind the curve.

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you're about a million behind the Russian casualty numbers.

East Tx is roughly 40k square miles.
Russia holds roughly 45k square miles of Ukraine.
That's not this year's gains. That's a cumulative effort over a 3.5 year war.
Russia is gaining yards of ground per day, on a good day. Some days none. Some days a neighborhood. Some days a building. And when they capture that building, Sam proclaims they captured a city.

The war is not existential for Russia. Never was. Never will be.
It is existential for the man who started it. The more likely the scenario for peace, the less likely he is to survive politically. THAT is why the war continues. Putin, personally, cannot afford to stop it.

Think about that. A million casualties to capture East Tx. Incredible.

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Also proves Putin is a fool.... beyond all previous assessments of him.

We all know he is ruthless, cruel, and his regime is corrupt. But I think most assumed he was level headed or rational... and was intelligent.

Now we know he is not...or at least he has lost the ability to do a simple cost-benefit analysis.

The current American President is basically offering him a very good deal.

End the war with a frozen stalemate. He gets the areas he has already stolen (parts of Donbas and Crimea) and the rest of Ukraine gets its full independence and gets to join the EU.

This gives Putin the ability to claim victory at home to his domestic population. And to stop this humiliating poor military campaign on the ground. A military operation that is costing him billions and hundreds of thousands of russian lives.

Says everything that he won't take that deal.....and he is unlikely to ever get a better one from a future President.

The way things are going on the front, there won't be an Ukraine left for a future American president to negotiate about. Which is actually a pretty acceptable result.

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The way things are going on the front, there won't be an Ukraine left for a future American president to negotiate about. Which is actually a pretty acceptable result.

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Just curious, you ever been to Ukraine or Russia?

Ukraine never stood a chance in this bloody war engineered by the Biden administration.

Ukraine's one hope was that the US would actively fight on their behalf.

And that hope vanished with Harris's election loss.

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Ukraine never stood a chance in this bloody war engineered by the Biden administration.

Ukraine's one hope was that the US would actively fight on their behalf.

And that hope vanished with Harris's election loss.

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Russia has taken 1% of Ukraine in the last 3 years.

US was never going to fight on Ukraine's behalf.