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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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Why are you talking to children on the internet?

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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Why are you talking to children on the internet?

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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Not in years, only in maturity, manners, & good sense.

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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Not in years, only in maturity, manners, & good sense.

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Some would say good sense excludes basing your life around a 2000 year old acid trip

That's just plain foolish. But you already know that.

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That's just plain foolish. But you already know that.

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"So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions"

Sounds like a line from a Harry Potter trivia night, not the words of a sane person

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That's just plain foolish. But you already know that.

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"So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions"

Sounds like a line from a Harry Potter trivia night, not the words of a sane person

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More arrogant foolishness.

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Of course. Relative to Ukraine there is only one, the one who won't endorse the ceasefire.

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Three years we tell the Russians to pound sand, then we make them an offer that's basically a chance to quit winning on the battlefield for 30 days, and we expect them to cave out of sheer gratitude that we did them the favor.

Only in America.

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Only in Trump's defective mind.

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Of course. Relative to Ukraine there is only one, the one who won't endorse the ceasefire.

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Three years we tell the Russians to pound sand, then we make them an offer that's basically a chance to quit winning on the battlefield for 30 days, and we expect them to cave out of sheer gratitude that we did them the favor.

Only in America.

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Only in Trump's defective mind.

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Well, he could put tariffs on Russian goods.

Damn, we already sanctioned them.

Ok, take the sanctions off and add the 50% tariffs.

That will show them.

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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The same Revelation, that barely made the cut to be included in the biblical list, written by an unknown author attributing the work to someone named John? The same Revelation that Eastern Orthodox Christians do not recognize? The same Revelation that ties the loving god of the NT back to the vengeful wrathful god of the OT? The same Revelation that every century gets reinterpreted, because its first century predictions never come to pass? The same Revelation that is at odds with even Jesus' apocalyptic teachings? It's not even good science fiction.

"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good."
Psalm 14:1

Gentlemen, please…you can't theologize in here, this is the St. Zelensky thread.

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For several months now, I have been studying Revelation with BSF. It's quite fascinating & illuminating. So many recent events seem to reflect on the prophecies in John's visions. However, they are subject to a variety of interpretations and we really don't know what all of it means.

The really scary part is that when that comes, there will be many people who will watch those events unfold, even participating in them. But they won't see what should be obvious, prophecy being fulfilled, because their hearts are hardened (& doubtless, much pride). The sad result is they will refuse to repent and turn away from their sins. Instead, they will take the mark of the Beast and spend eternity in hell.

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The same Revelation, that barely made the cut to be included in the biblical list, written by an unknown author attributing the work to someone named John? The same Revelation that Eastern Orthodox Christians do not recognize? The same Revelation that ties the loving god of the NT back to the vengeful wrathful god of the OT? The same Revelation that every century gets reinterpreted, because its first century predictions never come to pass? The same Revelation that is at odds with even Jesus' apocalyptic teachings? It's not even good science fiction.

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You really should not discourse on a topic over which you are so ignorant. Almost every statement here about the Bible is false: the authorship, the nature of God, the seeming contradictions in Scripture, etc. There are no contradictions. Anyone who seriously studies the Bible knows that there is an intrinsic unity throughout from the first chapter of Genesis to the final verses of Revelation and everywhere in between.

Jesus did not contradict the book of Revelation, He even spoke repeatedly in that book. God is both loving and just in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible is a book about faith. Those who have none cannot understand it and that is very sad.

Wonder if this is related to Ukraine? Belarus is the only country between them

Lithuanian soldiers hold a moment of silent prayer for the 4 missing U.S. soldiers that disappeared with their armored vehicle during a military exercise in Lithuania 4 days ago.

🇺🇸🇱🇹 pic.twitter.com/VR4h3ieSS3

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 29, 2025

🚨Reminder: USAID sent $4.8 million to Ukraine’s public affairs office in Kyiv—to fund social media influencers.

— DOGE NEWS- Department of Government Efficiency (@realdogeusa) March 30, 2025

This did not take long… https://t.co/uJpNjNH00n pic.twitter.com/W5hQLnbenG

— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) March 30, 2025

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I see no benefit from bombing Yemen. It's like trying to dry up a river with a towel instead of fixing the dam. Most of the ignorant ****s there have such a **** life I can hardly blame them for just wanting to see the world burn

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"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting "- Curtis LeMay

They will in fact get tired of being bombed and have special forces raids kill lots of them and cost them money

And denying them a long term occupation also denies them easy American targets and internet propaganda videos when they blow up a unlucky army vehicle

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Massie put out an interesting tweet that the United States isnt even in the top 5 countries who transport the most cargo through the Red Sea.
that is a true but misleading statistic. We are 2% of TOTAL global export shipments by sea (and a slightly larger share of global import shipments by sea).

The top transporter is China. So why are we spending billions of dollars to secure China's shipping lanes?

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because disruptions in trade to our trade partners have not inconsiderable ripple effects on us.
because maintaining/disrupting trade routes impact the security/stability position of entire regions (where we have interests).
because our navy uses the same trade routes Chinese cargo ships.

The Houthis are Shiites. They are a proxy of Iran, who seeks destabilize the Saudi Arabian peninsula, which:
-- Diminishes Saudi power
-- Shuts down Red Sea trade routes, which diminishes everyone who needs those trade routes
-- Strengthens Iranian soft power (if you defy Teheran, Teheran will deny you transit of the Red Sea)
-- Prevents Iran from being shut out of direct sea routes to the eastern Med (which allows them to pose flanking threats to a number of their geopolitical rivals - chiefly Turkey (with whom they have a land border) but also Israel and Egypt).
--Enables Iranian naval assets in the Med to counter Turkish support of Azerbaijan (who are fellow turks and also have a land border with Iran).
--Enables Iranian naval assets in the Med to have access to the Black Sea, to counter Turkey by supporting Armenia (who exists in constant tension with Turkey and Azerbaijan and typically looks to Iran for support).

And then there's this: 20% of international container shipping transits the Red Sea. Shut off that level of trade, and global recession looms. Global recession is a brake on US economic growth. And Iran is using the Houthis to do exactly that - attempt to shut down Red Sea trade routes. To the extent China is allied with Iran, Iranian support for Houthis is supportive of Chinese policy - to defend Chinese trade thru the Red Sea, or to afford Chinese ability to influence (facilitate or deny) the trade of others thru the Red Sea (Chinese soft power.....)

To the extent one thinks Iran is a problem, then one has an interest in what they are doing in the Red Sea.

Allowing the precedent to stand that a minor power can hold trade routes hostage would encourage other countries to consider such policies to strengthen their power.


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If supporting Iran ensures Armenia, the only remaining Christian country in the middle east, survives then let the houthis and Iran control the Red Sea.

I support the Armenians and all the rest of the scattered and beaten ME Christians.

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LOL I wasn't advocating American support or opposition for Armenia. I was merely pointing out that you are completely blind to the realities of geopolitics.

A) Religious similarities matter.
B) Ethnic/linguistic similarities matter.
C) Ideological similarities matter.
D) But NOTHING matters more than geography.
E) And Armenia's geography FORCE it to look to Iran (and Russia) for assistance.
F) That, in turn, often puts Armenian interests at odds with Israel.

Your policy is, and there's no polite way to say it, childish, Idiotic, etc..... You are letting A drive everything, everywhere, no matter what the consequences.

Your policy misses basic facts, too. Armenia is not a Middle Eastern country. It is in the Caucasus, sandwiched in a shatterzone BETWEEN the middle east and Eurasia, as well as between three major powers - Turkey, Iran, Russia. If the Armenians were muslims, their lot would be quite a bit more simple. But they're not. They're Christians wedged in between a major power (Turkey) and a minor power (Azerbaijan), which have A & B in common, both relative to each other and to other greater powers. That forces the Armenians to look elsewhere for support, and there are two major options - Russia and Iran. Now I, too, am favorably inclined to support a Christian nations in the situation Armenia faces. See "A" above. But rather than let that one issue drive the entirety of US policy in the Europe and the Middle East (and surrounding seas & gulfs), I would lean on quiet diplomacy and (more importantly) on intelligence liaison to further US policy interests. I would give Armenia a little foreign aid (we can debate pros/cons on specifics), but I would spend a lot more time & effort recruiting Armenian intel officers who liaise with Russian & Iranian intel agencies (as a way of gaining intel on Russian & Iranian plans/policies/intentions in the region). In other words, I can't change A-D above, but I can exploit it to my advantage as best as possible.

That's how you do it. You have to accept the realities on the ground and use the forces of gravity (A-D) to push your interests as best as you can. Armenia will always, always, always be forced to attend to the foreign policy concerns of Russia and Iran, because Russia and Iran are the only ones who have any serious incentive to help them resist Turkey. And Turkey is OUR ally against Iran & Russia. So despite whatever concerns I might have about Turkish intentions in the region (which are not seamlessly allied with ours), I have to manage things well enough to keep them lined up on our side on the major issues (Russia, Iran). THAT'S how I help Armenia. If I do too much directly, I end up at odds with a long list of more useful relationships. So I use other options to keep Turkey in check....to make Turkey calculate that it's in their interest not to beat up on Armenia too much for fear of provoking us to more forcefully engage to resist their interests elsewhere.

how do we do that, some might ask? (not you...you've already stuck your head in the sand....) Simple. You make sure the King of Jordan takes your calls (because Jordan is in the Mesopotamian shatterzone between Iran, Turkey, Saudi, and Egypt). You make sure you are on very good terms with the Egyptians and Saudis (who are highly motivated to resist Turkish expansion). And......(here's the part where your start frothing at the mouth).....you maintain very good relations with Israel, a highly capable Western country facing the exact same kinds of pressures Armenia is facing (isolated among hostiles). Look at what Israel is doing in Syria (degrading Syrian regime military assets, moving into Druze areas to establish a protectorate, etc....) Rarely does one have a better ally than a country surrounded by hostiles.

If there's one thing Israel, Jordan, Saudi, and Egypt are completely of one mind about, it's to stop the expansion of Turkish (or Iranian) power. Our interests are in line with theirs. Our policy flows thusly. But who's going to do the grunt work on that? Israel. You can hate them all you want, but they are the single best foreign policy investment we've ever made.

The Saudis and Egyptians are willing to put aside their aversion to Israel in order to further larger interests. Why can't you do the same?

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Because they are getting paid with a lot of my tax dollars to do so. If American Jews pooled their own money to bribe these nations I would have zero objections. But Israel has made an enemy of me by interfering in American elections and bankrupting my country. I grew up completely agnostic towards Israel and may have even leaned slightly in favor of them until I started discovering all the treacherous actions they have committed against us and the mendacious lies they propagandize the American public.

There is a major generational shift coming and most Americans under 40 do not support Israel.

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LOL. Nope. Rising generations will see what prior generations have seen and continue to support Israel = nothing furthers US policy in the region more than strong support for Israel.

My goodness. I don't think I've ever seen someone use so much energy to be so completely daft.

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You Boomers can cope and seethe.. but the data is already out there. Young Americans do not support Israel.

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You are correct. Our younger generation has been brainwashed by the leftist media

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or perhaps they will, over time, come to see the world as it really is and change their minds on Israel. Age & experience have tendency to do that.

we will always have close relationships with countries who A) need help and B) can help in return. Israel is a stellar investment in that regard.

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This did not take long… https://t.co/uJpNjNH00n pic.twitter.com/W5hQLnbenG

— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) March 30, 2025

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Blew up? If Putin was under the hood I'm not sure that would have even killed him

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This did not take long… https://t.co/uJpNjNH00n pic.twitter.com/W5hQLnbenG

— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) March 30, 2025

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Blew up? If Putin was under the hood I'm not sure that would have even killed him

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You sound like you have a lot of experience blowing things. Would you prefer that they stuck it in the trunk?

Trump still pumping money into Ukraine.

Over the last week, US military aid flights to Ukraine jumped, with 747 freighters delivering supplies from a number of locations:

2x from McGuire Air Force Base
3x from Joint Base Charleston
1x from Ramstein Air Base
1x from MacDill Air Force Base
1x from Biggs Army Airfield https://t.co/BRZs93Xcof pic.twitter.com/ufCHVPftGt

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 31, 2025

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This did not take long… https://t.co/uJpNjNH00n pic.twitter.com/W5hQLnbenG

— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) March 30, 2025

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Blew up? If Putin was under the hood I'm not sure that would have even killed him

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You sound like you have a lot of experience blowing things. Would you prefer that they stuck it in the trunk?

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I'd rather they use a bomb instead of installing a faulty alternator.

[The Ukraine Deception

On Sunday, the NYT published a very long and richly detailed account of how the United States quietly helped the Ukrainian war effort, far beyond what was publicly acknowledged. I strongly urge you to read it. Excerpt:

[A] New York Times investigation reveals that America was woven into the war far more intimately and broadly than previously understood. At critical moments, the partnership was the backbone of Ukrainian military operations that, by U.S. counts, have killed or wounded more than 700,000 Russian soldiers. (Ukraine has put its casualty toll at 435,000.) Side by side in Wiesbaden's mission command center, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kyiv's counteroffensives. A vast American intelligence-collection effort both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.

One European intelligence chief recalled being taken aback to learn how deeply enmeshed his N.A.T.O. counterparts had become in Ukrainian operations. "They are part of the kill chain now," he said.

What you read is that over and over, the Biden Administration crossed its own internal red lines, risking war nuclear war! with Russia. More:

As the Ukrainians won greater autonomy in the partnership, they increasingly kept their intentions secret. They were perennially angered that the Americans couldn't, or wouldn't, give them all of the weapons and other equipment they wanted. The Americans, in turn, were angered by what they saw as the Ukrainians' unreasonable demands, and by their reluctance to take politically risky steps to bolster their vastly outnumbered forces.

… Time and again, the Biden administration authorized clandestine operations it had previously prohibited. American military advisers were dispatched to Kyiv and later allowed to travel closer to the fighting. Military and C.I.A. officers in Wiesbaden helped plan and support a campaign of Ukrainian strikes in Russian-annexed Crimea. Finally, the military and then the C.I.A. received the green light to enable pinpoint strikes deep inside Russia itself.

This was all secret. What did Congress know? Did Congress know how close the Biden Administration's recklessness came to risking open conflict with Russia? Certainly the American people did not. Would they have supported this, had they been consulted?

We are talking about war with a nuclear power! And yet, Biden and the Pentagon kept it all quiet.

Look, I am very, very frustrated with Trump's bellicose and stupid rhetoric about Greenland. (Want to ensure that the US will never get Greenland? Then keep talking about how we might use military action to seize the sovereign territory of another country indeed, a liberal democratic ally!). But good grief, look at the caliber of people who led this country in the last administration people who very easily could have gotten America into a shooting war with Russia. "Whataboutism" is no defense of Trump's idiotic actions regarding Greenland; I'm simply saying that the real scandal is what the "responsible" members of Establishment government got up to.

Hannah Arendt, in her The Origins Of Totalitarianism, said that widespread loss of faith in institutions was a sign that a polity was ready for totalitarianism. But you cannot make yourself believe in institutions led by people who are incompetent, who are liars, and even who hate you.] -Rod Dreher

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[The Ukraine Deception

On Sunday, the NYT published a very long and richly detailed account of how the United States quietly helped the Ukrainian war effort, far beyond what was publicly acknowledged. I strongly urge you to read it. Excerpt:

[A] New York Times investigation reveals that America was woven into the war far more intimately and broadly than previously understood. At critical moments, the partnership was the backbone of Ukrainian military operations that, by U.S. counts, have killed or wounded more than 700,000 Russian soldiers. (Ukraine has put its casualty toll at 435,000.) Side by side in Wiesbaden's mission command center, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kyiv's counteroffensives. A vast American intelligence-collection effort both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.

One European intelligence chief recalled being taken aback to learn how deeply enmeshed his N.A.T.O. counterparts had become in Ukrainian operations. "They are part of the kill chain now," he said.

What you read is that over and over, the Biden Administration crossed its own internal red lines, risking war nuclear war! with Russia. More:

As the Ukrainians won greater autonomy in the partnership, they increasingly kept their intentions secret. They were perennially angered that the Americans couldn't, or wouldn't, give them all of the weapons and other equipment they wanted. The Americans, in turn, were angered by what they saw as the Ukrainians' unreasonable demands, and by their reluctance to take politically risky steps to bolster their vastly outnumbered forces.

… Time and again, the Biden administration authorized clandestine operations it had previously prohibited. American military advisers were dispatched to Kyiv and later allowed to travel closer to the fighting. Military and C.I.A. officers in Wiesbaden helped plan and support a campaign of Ukrainian strikes in Russian-annexed Crimea. Finally, the military and then the C.I.A. received the green light to enable pinpoint strikes deep inside Russia itself.

This was all secret. What did Congress know? Did Congress know how close the Biden Administration's recklessness came to risking open conflict with Russia? Certainly the American people did not. Would they have supported this, had they been consulted?

We are talking about war with a nuclear power! And yet, Biden and the Pentagon kept it all quiet.

Look, I am very, very frustrated with Trump's bellicose and stupid rhetoric about Greenland. (Want to ensure that the US will never get Greenland? Then keep talking about how we might use military action to seize the sovereign territory of another country indeed, a liberal democratic ally!). But good grief, look at the caliber of people who led this country in the last administration people who very easily could have gotten America into a shooting war with Russia. "Whataboutism" is no defense of Trump's idiotic actions regarding Greenland; I'm simply saying that the real scandal is what the "responsible" members of Establishment government got up to.

Hannah Arendt, in her The Origins Of Totalitarianism, said that widespread loss of faith in institutions was a sign that a polity was ready for totalitarianism. But you cannot make yourself believe in institutions led by people who are incompetent, who are liars, and even who hate you.] -Rod Dreher

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I am not surprised. The question is whether or not you have a problem with the US helping a Nation that was invaded maintain independence? Some do, some not so much.

I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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Russia's done worse in Afghanistan. Syria, and Iraq.

I've never called you out on this subject.

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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Russia's done worse in Afghanistan. Syria, and Iraq.

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Russia was never in Afghanistan…the USSR was

I also don't remember them being in Iraq

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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Russia's done worse in Afghanistan. Syria, and Iraq.

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Russia was never in Afghanistan…the USSR was

I almost don't remember them being in Iraq

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Done worse to us while we were in those countries

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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Russia's done worse in Afghanistan. Syria, and Iraq.

I've never called you out on this subject.

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No, sorry if I implied it was you calling me out.

I'm not sure what you mean by worse. My point is not that we're wrong to be involved, but that we're involved in a deeper and more dangerous way. Russia doesn't run proxy wars against the US in which they do everything from planning high-level strategy to pushing buttons on weapon systems in the field. Much less are they running attacks on American soil, or even in our bordering countries. Not to mention against our nuclear early warning systems. The level of hostility they're managing while trying to avoid escalation just isn't comparable to anything we've had to deal with.

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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Russia's done worse in Afghanistan. Syria, and Iraq.

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Russia was never in Afghanistan…the USSR was

I almost don't remember them being in Iraq

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Done worse to us while we were in those countries

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Russia actually helped us in Afghanistan by way of Putin's five-point assistance program. They changed their minds and provided some limited assistance to the Taliban as the occupation dragged on and they saw the threat from ISIS-K (the radical Islamist group and CIA cutout that went on to commit the Crocus City Hall terror attack in Moscow last year).

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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I have not just assumed such was going on, but frequently expressed frustration that we did not go further, sooner.

That the author attempts to present the bloody obvious (to anyone who has actually played the game) as a game-changing revelation shows that he is at best a propagandist, and at worst a naive neophyte purveying nonsense (that anything he alleged would remotely be a spark for war).

Nato is grinding down Russia's ability to wage war in the future. The 100yr stockpile of ordnance is gone. Forever. Now, Russia has to fight Nato head-up on manpower (where it has a 3-1 disadvantage) and industrial might (where it has a 10-1 disadvantage). It can no longer count on engaging in exactly the kind of warfare we see going on in Ukraine, burning thru steel & shot & blood & bone to outlast its opponent's will to fight. It will have to either engage in a blitzkrieg to force a quick surrender, or somehow find a way to overcome the 10x distance between their GDP and Nato's GDP in order to test it's belief that it cannot lose a war of wills. Russia cannot hope to do either one. Never has. Never will (as long as they lumber on in autocracy).

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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I'm surprised the NYT is surprised.

Heck, we have posters with friends, colleagues, and family members working in Ukraine.

I've known since 2022 we were closely involved in strategy, etc., and there were countless reports that certain weapons required our assistance.

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That's interesting, because I've been saying the same thing all along and have been called a propagandist.

I will point out a key takeaway from this. You've always maintained that what we're doing is no different from Russian support of our enemies in various places over the years. I think we can put that argument to rest, as nothing they've ever done remotely compares to our degree of involvement here.

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I have not just assumed such was going on, but frequently expressed frustration that we did not go further, sooner.

That the author attempts to present the bloody obvious (to anyone who has actually played the game) as a game-changing revelation shows that he is at best a propagandist, and at worst a naive neophyte purveying nonsense (that anything he alleged would remotely be a spark for war).

Nato is grinding down Russia's ability to wage war in the future. The 100yr stockpile of ordnance is gone. Forever. Now, Russia has to fight Nato head-up on manpower (where it has a 3-1 disadvantage) and industrial might (where it has a 10-1 disadvantage). It can no longer count on engaging in exactly the kind of warfare we see going on in Ukraine, burning thru steel & shot & blood & bone to outlast its opponent's will to fight. It will have to either engage in a blitzkrieg to force a quick surrender, or somehow find a way to overcome the 10x distance between their GDP and Nato's GDP in order to test it's belief that it cannot lose a war of wills. Russia cannot hope to do either one. Never has. Never will (as long as they lumber on in autocracy).

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Our orchestration of the Maidan putsch was obvious, too. That's never stopped you from churning out disinformation about it. Or about the state of the Russian military. Or about our participation in long-range attacks on Russian soil, which you've denied precisely because it could spark a war.

I welcome your acknowledgment that Russia is fighting the war in its preferred manner, not trying and failing to imitate the NATO model. It only took you 1,000 years to figure this out. What you'll learn rather more quickly, in the nearly unthinkable event that NATO joins the war, is that GDPs don't build munitions. Munition factories do. For all its flaws, Russian autocracy has given them an advantage over our profit-based military-industrial complex.

But all is not lost. Trump is reducing commitments in Europe and allocating resources to the Pacific and Taiwan. You'll get to see lots more meddling in other people's politics. More propaganda and rabble-rousing. More money wasted and lives lost. Maybe even more reckless tempting of the nuclear fates. You just won't see it in Ukraine for much longer.

Only Belarus is between Ukraine and Lithuania. Connection?

BREAKING:

The U.S. Army announces that they have found the body of the 4th missing soldier in Lithuania.

All 4 have now been found dead after their armored vehicle dissapeared in a swamp 1 week ago. pic.twitter.com/q8LKp3IafD

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 1, 2025