Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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1. The Obama administration made a policy of helping to pull Ukraine out of the orbit of Moscow.....the criticism of that policy (almost certainly going to be a bloody process) is legitimate

Biden was part of both Obama administrations and Biden's key people on eastern european policy were Obama holdovers.

2. Hard to know that since Ukraine is not having elections right now (right or wrong, legally by their Constitution or not).....its open to debate.

I think the vast majority of Ukrainians want to fight hard and prevent themselves from being taken over by Russia. But they might be open to a peace deal that gives up on recovering Crimea and Donbas.

But of course Putin is the big problem....Trump has offered him that very thing....and Putin so far refuses

Every president since Clinton took office is to blame for coercing Ukraine into this futile and devastating war. Trump spent his first term arming them up to the eyeballs and has done nothing to bring peace in his second term.

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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1. The Obama administration made a policy of helping to pull Ukraine out of the orbit of Moscow.....the criticism of that policy (almost certainly going to be a bloody process) is legitimate

Biden was part of both Obama administrations and Biden's key people on eastern european policy were Obama holdovers.

2. Hard to know that since Ukraine is not having elections right now (right or wrong, legally by their Constitution or not).....its open to debate.

I think the vast majority of Ukrainians want to fight hard and prevent themselves from being taken over by Russia. But they might be open to a peace deal that gives up on recovering Crimea and Donbas.

But of course Putin is the big problem....Trump has offered him that very thing....and Putin so far refuses

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I was talking about blaming Biden or anyone else at the time of the invasion itself. I dd not intend to reference the history - on which we disagree of course.

Strong majorities, including Zelensky's political opponents, oppose elections during the war.

I agree that Ukrainians (and Zelensky himself) would support a reasonable deal and that Putin has not come close to proposing anything remotely reasonable.

sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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The Biden administration continued to insist on Ukrainian membership into NATO even after Putin had placed 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

The single biggest US foreign policy blunder since the Korean War.

KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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The Biden administration continued to insist on Ukrainian membership into NATO even after Putin had placed 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

The single biggest US foreign policy blunder since the Korean War.

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Not true. It was widely reported that Ukraine was willing to take NATO off the table and that Biden was on board.

And, remember, when Russia invaded in 2014, Ukraine did not even want NATO.

This was NEVER about NATO. And it still isn't. No-NATO has been part of every US proposal to end this war, and Ukraine has agreed to it.

sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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The Biden administration continued to insist on Ukrainian membership into NATO even after Putin had placed 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

The single biggest US foreign policy blunder since the Korean War.

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Not true. It was widely reported that Ukraine was willing to take NATO off the table and that Biden was on board.

And, remember, when Russia invaded in 2014, Ukraine did not even want NATO.

This was NEVER about NATO. And it still isn't. No-NATO has been part of every US proposal to end this war, and Ukraine has agreed to it.

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It is absolutely true.

I still vividly remember Harris in Europe publicly calling for Ukraine to join NATO even with those 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

I was outraged by her stupidity.

Putin invaded 48 hours later.

Don't try to change history fella.

KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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The Biden administration continued to insist on Ukrainian membership into NATO even after Putin had placed 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

The single biggest US foreign policy blunder since the Korean War.

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Not true. It was widely reported that Ukraine was willing to take NATO off the table and that Biden was on board.

And, remember, when Russia invaded in 2014, Ukraine did not even want NATO.

This was NEVER about NATO. And it still isn't. No-NATO has been part of every US proposal to end this war, and Ukraine has agreed to it.

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It is absolutely true.

I still vividly remember Harris in Europe publicly calling for Ukraine to join NATO even with those 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

I was outraged by her stupidity.

Putin invaded 48 hours later.

Don't try to change history fella.

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There are many reports, but here a couple.

The story behind 2022's secret Ukraine-Russia peace negotiations


Published May 6, 2024 at 5:00 AM CDT

CHAKRABARTI: He went on to say the principles include Ukraine's willingness not to join NATO, a renunciation of nuclear weapons, as well as possessing, acquiring, and developing of other weapons of mass destruction. A commitment to hold military drills with foreign military participation only upon agreement with guarantor states among which would be the Russian Federation. Of course, that was what Medinsky said the Ukrainians were willing to do. The same day, the top negotiator for the Ukrainian side. David Arakhamia told reporters that a final agreement could be near.
CHARAP: The bigger picture is that, what I mentioned, the Ukrainian willingness to embrace permanent neutrality, the core of the deal was that in return, Ukraine would get these security guarantees from the United States, its allies and Russia would also be a guarantor, but this sort of concession from the Ukrainians of renouncing its ambitions to join NATO was potentially enough to engender some relatively significant concessions, even if they weren't prepared to give back Crimea, so to speak. Merely putting it on the table was an acknowledgment that they had not been willing to make before and does suggest that they could have imagined, I don't know, some sort of compensation mechanism for having taken it from Ukraine, or something like that.

Exclusive: As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by aide
By Reuters
September 14, 2022
- Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
The Ukrainian-born envoy, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin that he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine, according to these sources. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.
Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.
But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.
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Two of the three sources said a push to get the deal finalized occurred immediately after Russia's Feb. 24 invasion. Within days, Kozak believed he had Ukraine's agreement to the main terms Russia had been seeking and recommended to Putin that he sign an agreement, the sources said.
The investigation was launched by Italian authorities who are probing claims that foreigners paid large sums of money to

"After Feb. 24, Kozak was given carte blanche: they gave him the green light; he got the deal. He brought it back and they told him to clear off. Everything was cancelled. Putin simply changed the plan as he went along," said one of the sources close to the Russian leadership.
The third source - who was told about the events by people who were briefed on the discussions between Kozak and Putin - differed on the timing, saying Kozak had proposed the deal to Putin, and had it rejected, just before the invasion. The sources all requested anonymity to share sensitive internal information.
Moscow's offensive in Ukraine is the largest military campaign in Europe since World War II. It prompted sweeping economic sanctions against Russia and military support for Ukraine from Washington and its Western allies.
Kozak, who is 63, has been a loyal lieutenant to Putin since working with him in the 1990s in the St. Petersburg mayor's office.
Kozak was well-placed to negotiate a peace deal because since 2020 Putin had tasked him with conducting talks with Ukrainian counterparts about the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, which has been controlled by Russian-backed separatists following an uprising in 2014.

THE HILL
Russia's invasion of Ukraine was never about NATO expansion
by Oleh S. Ilnytzkyj

If NATO expansion were truly the trigger, why did Vladimir Putin wait until 2022 to invade? Why not in 2008, when Ukraine first sought membership, or in 2014, when NATO discussions resurfaced after Russia seized Crimea
The truth is that Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO. There was no Membership Action Plan, and key NATO members had made it clear they were unwilling to admit Ukraine any time soon.
Ukraine's NATO aspirations were not a provocation. They were a response to Russian aggression: the illegal annexation of Crimea, the Russian proxy war in Donbas, and Moscow's long-standing efforts to control Ukraine politically, economically and culturally.
In his Feb. 21, 2022, speech justifying the war, Putin barely mentioned NATO. Instead, he fixated on Ukraine as an artificial state, an accident of history, a wayward part of the so-called "Russian world." His argument had nothing to do with military threats or self-defense; it was an assertion of imperial entitlement. It echoed his 2021 essay,"On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians," which outright denied Ukraine's legitimacy as a sovereign nation.
Russia's pre-invasion demands further expose the hollowness of the NATO excuse. Moscow didn't just insist that Ukraine never join the alliance it demanded NATOwithdrawfrom Eastern Europe entirely, rolling back security guarantees for Poland, the Baltics and other frontline states. This was never just about Ukraine. It was a broader push to reassert Russian dominance over its former empire.
Russia's pattern of aggression is the clearest refutation of the "NATO expansion" myth. Georgia, attacked in 2008, was not on the verge of NATO membership. Ukraine, invaded in 2014, had no realistic path to joining the alliance. Russia was not and is not defending itself against NATO it is targeting neighbors seeking independence from its grip.
Witkoff's disgraceful parroting of Kremlin propaganda is not diplomacy in pursuit of peace. It is a demoralizing attempt to undermine Ukraine and weaken Europe. By framing any defensive posture as a "provocation" against Russia while excusing Russian aggression as self-defense, he legitimizes the very logic used to justify war and subjugation.

🚨New: President Trump's full 28-point Ukraine-Russia peace plan was officially released pic.twitter.com/U1cnkdOjb5

— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) November 20, 2025

Redbrickbear said:

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🚨New: President Trump's full 28-point Ukraine-Russia peace plan was officially released pic.twitter.com/U1cnkdOjb5

— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) November 20, 2025

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right???????? are trump, grease monkey Lutnick, Strippper Bondi, Queer Bessent, Curry wielding FBI Guy, and of course lil Petey the drunk ho chaser insane? No way Ukraine agrees to this, nor should they. They were invited for lil Pete's sake. Definitely the negotiator in chief. Start with giving away the farm. Only the best people.

Rubio Confirms Ukraine Peace Plan Authored By US As Leaders Meet In Geneva

Finally, sanity.

"President Trump said on Nov. 21 that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had until Thursday to approve the 28-point plan, which would compel Ukraine to renounce ambitions to join NATO, accept limits on its military, and cede territory.

he published draft points indicated the United States would recognize Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk as de facto territories of Russia, and freeze the conflict along the current battle lines in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia

The plan also appears to rule out Ukrainian entry into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and NATO will agree not to expand any further, while Russia will agree not to invade any more countries. Further, the plan states Ukraine will receive security guarantees, but will also have to cap the size of its military force."

Thanksgiving Day deadline for Zelenskyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to accept. Otherwise we pull support.

Realitybites said:

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Rubio Confirms Ukraine Peace Plan Authored By US As Leaders Meet In Geneva

Finally, sanity.

"President Trump said on Nov. 21 that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had until Thursday to approve the 28-point plan, which would compel Ukraine to renounce ambitions to join NATO, accept limits on its military, and cede territory.

he published draft points indicated the United States would recognize Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk as de facto territories of Russia, and freeze the conflict along the current battle lines in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia

The plan also appears to rule out Ukrainian entry into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and NATO will agree not to expand any further, while Russia will agree not to invade any more countries. Further, the plan states Ukraine will receive security guarantees, but will also have to cap the size of its military force."

Thanksgiving Day deadline for Zelenskyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to accept. Otherwise we pull support.

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Sorry, Vlad, neither the proposal nor the deadline lasted 12 hours.

Realitybites said:

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Rubio Confirms Ukraine Peace Plan Authored By US As Leaders Meet In Geneva

Finally, sanity.

"President Trump said on Nov. 21 that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had until Thursday to approve the 28-point plan, which would compel Ukraine to renounce ambitions to join NATO, accept limits on its military, and cede territory.

he published draft points indicated the United States would recognize Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk as de facto territories of Russia, and freeze the conflict along the current battle lines in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia

The plan also appears to rule out Ukrainian entry into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and NATO will agree not to expand any further, while Russia will agree not to invade any more countries. Further, the plan states Ukraine will receive security guarantees, but will also have to cap the size of its military force."

Thanksgiving Day deadline for Zelenskyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to accept. Otherwise we pull support.

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What an absurd "peace" deal.

Sam Lowry said:

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Every president since Clinton took office is to blame for coercing Ukraine into this futile and devastating war. Trump spent his first term arming them up to the eyeballs and has done nothing to bring peace in his second term.

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It's almost as if you're such a Russian cuck that you forgot it was Russia that invaded Ukraine.

Just another example of you taking the immoral side of an issue.

That money is gone. https://t.co/sOeoRcyTmK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) November 25, 2025

Scattershooting while wondering what happened to all the Ukrainian virtue signaling form the LWNJs?

sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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The Biden administration continued to insist on Ukrainian membership into NATO even after Putin had placed 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

The single biggest US foreign policy blunder since the Korean War.

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Not true. It was widely reported that Ukraine was willing to take NATO off the table and that Biden was on board.

And, remember, when Russia invaded in 2014, Ukraine did not even want NATO.

This was NEVER about NATO. And it still isn't. No-NATO has been part of every US proposal to end this war, and Ukraine has agreed to it.

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The US has never offered any such thing. Ukraine was close to such an agreement at Istanbul until we intervened.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Every president since Clinton took office is to blame for coercing Ukraine into this futile and devastating war. Trump spent his first term arming them up to the eyeballs and has done nothing to bring peace in his second term.

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It's almost as if you're such a Russian cuck that you forgot it was Russia that invaded Ukraine.

Just another example of you taking the immoral side of an issue.

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Woe to you Pharisees, who strain out the gnat and swallow the camel.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Every president since Clinton took office is to blame for coercing Ukraine into this futile and devastating war. Trump spent his first term arming them up to the eyeballs and has done nothing to bring peace in his second term.

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It's almost as if you're such a Russian cuck that you forgot it was Russia that invaded Ukraine.

Just another example of you taking the immoral side of an issue.

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Woe to you Pharisees, who strain out the gnat and swallow the camel.

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It's interesting you believe Russia and your boy, Putin, literally have no agency.

And of course your own country is the big, bad bogeyman in all of this, as usual.

You're like the wife beater who blames his wife's sassy mouth for smacking her. If only she had kept her mouth shut and behaved...

Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

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I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.

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The Biden administration continued to insist on Ukrainian membership into NATO even after Putin had placed 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

The single biggest US foreign policy blunder since the Korean War.

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Not true. It was widely reported that Ukraine was willing to take NATO off the table and that Biden was on board.

And, remember, when Russia invaded in 2014, Ukraine did not even want NATO.

This was NEVER about NATO. And it still isn't. No-NATO has been part of every US proposal to end this war, and Ukraine has agreed to it.

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The US has never offered any such thing. Ukraine was close to such an agreement at Istanbul until we intervened.

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I provided the sources, which included Russian negotiators.

"Foreign policy often involves nothing more than the decision whom to make war upon."
-Peter Heather, The Fall of the Roman Empire:

Well, the globalist Mark Rutte, NATO chief is trying to screw it up by saying that the Russians do not have a veto over who will join NATO in the future. Of course they do, Mark. They are a massive country with a capable military and nuclear weapons. You can't run your mouth without taking their strategic outlook into consideration. The good news is that they aren't expansionist in the way that Nazi Germany or the USSR was.

I'm telling you, we have to get out of NATO. The western european nations we sat down and made common cause with almost 100 years ago have transformed into proto-Islamofacist states. We cannot maintain our own national security and prosperity if we continue to maintain treaties written for a world that no longer exists.

If Muslims are your concern. you should double down on NATO.

Russia, China, and India have 3 times as many Muslims as all of Europe. Remove Turkey, and they have 15 times as many Muslims as Europe.

Heck, if Muslims are your concern, you should go all in on supporting Ukraine. Russia has more attending mosques than churches, while Ukraine has only 400k Muslims and is one of the most truly Christina countries in Europe.

And I must assume also, given your great Muslim concern, that you switched your support to Israel.

sombear said:

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If Muslims are your concern. you should double down on NATO.

Russia, China, and India have 3 times as many Muslims as all of Europe. Remove Turkey, and they have 15 times as many Muslims as Europe.

Heck, if Muslims are your concern, you should go all in on supporting Ukraine. Russia has more attending mosques than churches, while Ukraine has only 400k Muslims and is one of the most truly Christina countries in Europe.

And I must assume also, given your great Muslim concern, that you switched your support to Israel.

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Well played.

sombear said:

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If Muslims are your concern. you should double down on NATO.

Russia, China, and India have 3 times as many Muslims as all of Europe. Remove Turkey, and they have 15 times as many Muslims as Europe.

Heck, if Muslims are your concern, you should go all in on supporting Ukraine. Russia has more attending mosques than churches, while Ukraine has only 400k Muslims and is one of the most truly Christina countries in Europe.

And I must assume also, given your great Muslim concern, that you switched your support to Israel.

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What makes you think I don't support Israel? We just disagree on what form that support should take. You call the Jews "God's Chosen People" without being able to answer if this is a question of race or religion. You're 100% content raiding our treasury to support a foreign country. I'm not.

And remaining in a military alliance with islamofacist nations is not a way of doing anything about Islam.

🚨🇵🇱 Poland’s answer to drones: the “Tarnów Monster” 🔥

A minigun firing 3,700 × 12.7 mm rounds per minute — built to shred incoming UAVs. Could this be the ultimate drone counter? pic.twitter.com/u8ce2htrSp

— Defence Index (@Defence_Index) November 30, 2025

sombear said:

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If Muslims are your concern. you should double down on NATO.

Russia, China, and India have 3 times as many Muslims as all of Europe. Remove Turkey, and they have 15 times as many Muslims as Europe.

Heck, if Muslims are your concern, you should go all in on supporting Ukraine. Russia has more attending mosques than churches, while Ukraine has only 400k Muslims...

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You might want to check your figures…Europe has more right now than Russia or China and that figure keeps growing by mass migration.

[number of Muslims in Russia vary, ranging from 15 million to 20 million people, representing 10% of the total population. ]

[China's repression of Islam is spreading beyond Xinjiang
Estimates for the number of Muslims in China is estimated to be approximately 20 million, representing about 1.5% of the total population. This population includes various ethnic groups, with the Hui and Uyghurs..the largest]

[Percentage of Muslims in some European countries:
As of a 2016 Pew Research Center study, there were approximately 25.8 million Muslims in Europe, representing about 4.9% of the continent's population. By 2030… estimates suggest Muslims might make up around 6% to 10% of Europe's population]

Only India has a larger Muslim population than the EU

boognish_bear said:

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🚨🇵🇱 Poland’s answer to drones: the “Tarnów Monster” 🔥

A minigun firing 3,700 × 12.7 mm rounds per minute — built to shred incoming UAVs. Could this be the ultimate drone counter? pic.twitter.com/u8ce2htrSp

— Defence Index (@Defence_Index) November 30, 2025

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Poles are preparing for still another war with Russia.

With or without NATO support.

Can't blame them.

Meanwhile, in "Europe's largest Christian Democracy" /s

Horrifying Scandal Reveals Brutal Underbelly of Zelensky's Regime: Ukrainian Draft Officer Arrested for Mutilating Conscript's Genitals

EU Issues Warning to Ukraine as New Corruption Scandal Engulfs the Zelensky Regime's Inner Circle

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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If Muslims are your concern. you should double down on NATO.

Russia, China, and India have 3 times as many Muslims as all of Europe. Remove Turkey, and they have 15 times as many Muslims as Europe.

Heck, if Muslims are your concern, you should go all in on supporting Ukraine. Russia has more attending mosques than churches, while Ukraine has only 400k Muslims...

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You might want to check your figures…Europe has more right now than Russia or China and that figure keeps growing by mass migration.

[number of Muslims in Russia vary, ranging from 15 million to 20 million people, representing 10% of the total population. ]

[China's repression of Islam is spreading beyond Xinjiang
Estimates for the number of Muslims in China is estimated to be approximately 20 million, representing about 1.5% of the total population. This population includes various ethnic groups, with the Hui and Uyghurs..the largest]

[Percentage of Muslims in some European countries:
As of a 2016 Pew Research Center study, there were approximately 25.8 million Muslims in Europe, representing about 4.9% of the continent's population. By 2030… estimates suggest Muslims might make up around 6% to 10% of Europe's population]

Only India has a larger Muslim population than the EU

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Russia, China, and India together

Realitybites said:

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Meanwhile, in "Europe's largest Christian Democracy" /s

Horrifying Scandal Reveals Brutal Underbelly of Zelensky's Regime: Ukrainian Draft Officer Arrested for Mutilating Conscript's Genitals

EU Issues Warning to Ukraine as New Corruption Scandal Engulfs the Zelensky Regime's Inner Circle

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This is unbelievable comedic relief . . . thank you!

According to a report from the Ukrainian news outlet Pravda, a Russian-state-backed website that is designed to impersonate a legitimate Ukrainian news . . . .

sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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Meanwhile, in "Europe's largest Christian Democracy" /s

Horrifying Scandal Reveals Brutal Underbelly of Zelensky's Regime: Ukrainian Draft Officer Arrested for Mutilating Conscript's Genitals

EU Issues Warning to Ukraine as New Corruption Scandal Engulfs the Zelensky Regime's Inner Circle

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This is unbelievable comedic relief . . . thank you!

According to a report from the Ukrainian news outlet Pravda, a Russian-state-backed website that is designed to impersonate a legitimate Ukrainian news . . . .

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"Shoot the messenger! Shoot the messenger! Shoot the messenger!"

Is it your allegation that despite "Prosecutors have stated that the detained officer will be held in custody without bail" that this event is fictional and never happened? If that is the case you are making, what evidence do you have that substantiates that point of view?

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Meanwhile, in "Europe's largest Christian Democracy" /s

Horrifying Scandal Reveals Brutal Underbelly of Zelensky's Regime: Ukrainian Draft Officer Arrested for Mutilating Conscript's Genitals

EU Issues Warning to Ukraine as New Corruption Scandal Engulfs the Zelensky Regime's Inner Circle

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This is unbelievable comedic relief . . . thank you!

According to a report from the Ukrainian news outlet Pravda, a Russian-state-backed website that is designed to impersonate a legitimate Ukrainian news . . . .

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"Shoot the messenger! Shoot the messenger! Shoot the messenger!"

Is it your allegation that despite "Prosecutors have stated that the detained officer will be held in custody without bail" that this event is fictional and never happened? If that is the case you are making, what evidence do you have that substantiates that point of view?

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How can you assume ANY story from that outlet is true?
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But, if it happened, I say it's a good thing they are prosecuting the guy. Think there would be a prosecution in Russia? I don't.

From everything I've read, both countries have a problem with desertion and similar avoidance and are taking very aggressive (and ugly) approaches to say the least.

"This beating is likely just the tip of the iceberg, though. As already reported by Remix News, a Hungarian citizen and entrepreneur, Jzsef Sebestyn, died in July in the Beregssz hospital after Ukrainian recruiters severely beat him with iron bars in a forest, with the incident also caught on film.

Prime Minister Viktor Orbn has forcefully condemned forced conscription in Ukraine after the beating death. Speaking on Kossuth Radio, Orbn linked the tragic incident directly to the ongoing war, asserting that a country where such events occur due to forced conscription is unfit for European Union membership.
"A country where this could happen cannot be a member of the EU," said Orbn.

"We are talking about a Hungarian-Ukrainian dual citizen. This entitles us to avoid using cautious language. They beat a Hungarian citizen to death, that's the situation. And this is a case that we need to investigate, as this cannot happen," Orbn stated, emphasizing the gravity of the situation.

He highlighted that while the front lines might seem distant to many Hungarians, "the war is taking place in our neighboring country. The threat is directly here.""

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Because it's a well known fact. Assuming it's false is the wrong answer.