Ron & Don - Who is More Impressive?

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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 7:16a, 5/31/23
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muddybrazos said:


lol, Trumps trolling of Rob Desanctus is great. His return to twitter is going to be glorious.


Glorious? Nah. Only you MAGA types eat up his self-aggrandizing bull **** with a spoon. To most Americans he's buffoonish.


Oh this election will be entertaining, for sure. From the feed of the Axios National Political Correspondent:




You thought that was entertaining?

Huh. Like I said, whatever floats you MAGA types boats…
Lighten up, Francis. Yes, it was funny.

RDS needs to get a lot more active, with exactly the same kind of ridicule. It's not like Trump doesn't offer a lot of material for the same.

I've heard great things about the Desantis team, and I keep waiting for them to show us something. But frankly, I'm concerned. At this moment (and, yes, it is still early) Trump is pummeling him like Ali beating up on a Wepner doing a pretty bad imitation of rope-a-dope.

I could post more examples but it'd look like I'm trying to beat up on Desantis, which I'm not. EX: Stories all over the internet yesterday about the leak from a Desantis donor meeting, quoting that Desantis will run to the right of Trump in the primary then move to the middle. As an inside baseball analysis, nothing terribly unusual about that, as it happens to some degree in every campaign when the nominee changes messaging to appeal to the general election voter. But the context was dreadful. Desantis has lined up most of the donor class, including the Bushies. Again, one takes the support/funding one gets in a campaign. And one has to speak to the concerns of one's supporters (regardless what one plans to do or not). But as I've said many times here before = a GOP primary is a RINO hunt. The base is just looking looking looking hunting searching prodding to find a RINO. And Team Desantis lets him blunder into the trap.

These fumbles are indicative of something I've said before.......moving up from a Gov. race to a POTUS race is not just the next step up the ladder. It is a quantum leap. I still think (hope, actually) Desantis will get better, but right now, he's holding on to next rung on the ladder by a fingernail. He's GOT to get better or it will be over before it begins.

Net effect of all this? Team Trump may have denied Team Desantis the usual "bump" in support that occurs after formal announcement. We'll see numbers on that in 7-10 days, and can dissect the whys & wherefores then.


Only a moron would describe it as funny or creative. It was stupid, juvenile humor that you MAGA types eat up with a spoon. It was no surprise that known dbag Trump Jr. posted it. He knows you bumpkins love that stuff. That's red meat to you yahoos.

I was hoping that the issues affecting our country would be debated this election cycle - adult issues. Lord knows we have plenty of them. But I guess we can expect Trump to continue to campaign to the lowest common denominator this election cycle. It's going to be the **** show you know and love. We are doomed.

Btw how many Trump trading cards have you purchased?


If Desantis would post something funny, I'd laugh and post it here.


I guess he needs to brush up on his 7th grade put downs for you.


I'd been told that "The Office" was funny. That mashup makes me want to see it.
both of my kids loved it. I didn't think it was terribly funny. But then, I didn't see much humor in Seinfeld, either.

Friends was great. Big Bang Theory was the best ever.
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In reply to whiterock • 7:32a, 5/31/23
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Even Klanocrats waking up to worst president in US history.
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In reply to whiterock • 8:00a, 5/31/23
whiterock said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
muddybrazos said:


lol, Trumps trolling of Rob Desanctus is great. His return to twitter is going to be glorious.


Glorious? Nah. Only you MAGA types eat up his self-aggrandizing bull **** with a spoon. To most Americans he's buffoonish.


Oh this election will be entertaining, for sure. From the feed of the Axios National Political Correspondent:




You thought that was entertaining?

Huh. Like I said, whatever floats you MAGA types boats…
Lighten up, Francis. Yes, it was funny.

RDS needs to get a lot more active, with exactly the same kind of ridicule. It's not like Trump doesn't offer a lot of material for the same.

I've heard great things about the Desantis team, and I keep waiting for them to show us something. But frankly, I'm concerned. At this moment (and, yes, it is still early) Trump is pummeling him like Ali beating up on a Wepner doing a pretty bad imitation of rope-a-dope.

I could post more examples but it'd look like I'm trying to beat up on Desantis, which I'm not. EX: Stories all over the internet yesterday about the leak from a Desantis donor meeting, quoting that Desantis will run to the right of Trump in the primary then move to the middle. As an inside baseball analysis, nothing terribly unusual about that, as it happens to some degree in every campaign when the nominee changes messaging to appeal to the general election voter. But the context was dreadful. Desantis has lined up most of the donor class, including the Bushies. Again, one takes the support/funding one gets in a campaign. And one has to speak to the concerns of one's supporters (regardless what one plans to do or not). But as I've said many times here before = a GOP primary is a RINO hunt. The base is just looking looking looking hunting searching prodding to find a RINO. And Team Desantis lets him blunder into the trap.

These fumbles are indicative of something I've said before.......moving up from a Gov. race to a POTUS race is not just the next step up the ladder. It is a quantum leap. I still think (hope, actually) Desantis will get better, but right now, he's holding on to next rung on the ladder by a fingernail. He's GOT to get better or it will be over before it begins.

Net effect of all this? Team Trump may have denied Team Desantis the usual "bump" in support that occurs after formal announcement. We'll see numbers on that in 7-10 days, and can dissect the whys & wherefores then.


Only a moron would describe it as funny or creative. It was stupid, juvenile humor that you MAGA types eat up with a spoon. It was no surprise that known dbag Trump Jr. posted it. He knows you bumpkins love that stuff. That's red meat to you yahoos.

I was hoping that the issues affecting our country would be debated this election cycle - adult issues. Lord knows we have plenty of them. But I guess we can expect Trump to continue to campaign to the lowest common denominator this election cycle. It's going to be the **** show you know and love. We are doomed.

Btw how many Trump trading cards have you purchased?


If Desantis would post something funny, I'd laugh and post it here.


I guess he needs to brush up on his 7th grade put downs for you.


I'd been told that "The Office" was funny. That mashup makes me want to see it.
both of my kids loved it. I didn't think it was terribly funny. But then, I didn't see much humor in Seinfeld, either.

Friends was great. Big Bang Theory was the best ever.
you are a strange dude . I really hope this is a joke.
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In reply to whiterock • 8:00a, 5/31/23
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.
or you.
I can't recall making fun of someone's weight or looks or race or heritage or spouse or parents on this board. I don't even recall ever doing that in middle school either, but if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to post. We know how much you love the 7th grade taunts.
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In reply to whiterock • 8:00a, 5/31/23
whiterock said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
muddybrazos said:


lol, Trumps trolling of Rob Desanctus is great. His return to twitter is going to be glorious.


Glorious? Nah. Only you MAGA types eat up his self-aggrandizing bull **** with a spoon. To most Americans he's buffoonish.


Oh this election will be entertaining, for sure. From the feed of the Axios National Political Correspondent:




You thought that was entertaining?

Huh. Like I said, whatever floats you MAGA types boats…
Lighten up, Francis. Yes, it was funny.

RDS needs to get a lot more active, with exactly the same kind of ridicule. It's not like Trump doesn't offer a lot of material for the same.

I've heard great things about the Desantis team, and I keep waiting for them to show us something. But frankly, I'm concerned. At this moment (and, yes, it is still early) Trump is pummeling him like Ali beating up on a Wepner doing a pretty bad imitation of rope-a-dope.

I could post more examples but it'd look like I'm trying to beat up on Desantis, which I'm not. EX: Stories all over the internet yesterday about the leak from a Desantis donor meeting, quoting that Desantis will run to the right of Trump in the primary then move to the middle. As an inside baseball analysis, nothing terribly unusual about that, as it happens to some degree in every campaign when the nominee changes messaging to appeal to the general election voter. But the context was dreadful. Desantis has lined up most of the donor class, including the Bushies. Again, one takes the support/funding one gets in a campaign. And one has to speak to the concerns of one's supporters (regardless what one plans to do or not). But as I've said many times here before = a GOP primary is a RINO hunt. The base is just looking looking looking hunting searching prodding to find a RINO. And Team Desantis lets him blunder into the trap.

These fumbles are indicative of something I've said before.......moving up from a Gov. race to a POTUS race is not just the next step up the ladder. It is a quantum leap. I still think (hope, actually) Desantis will get better, but right now, he's holding on to next rung on the ladder by a fingernail. He's GOT to get better or it will be over before it begins.

Net effect of all this? Team Trump may have denied Team Desantis the usual "bump" in support that occurs after formal announcement. We'll see numbers on that in 7-10 days, and can dissect the whys & wherefores then.


Only a moron would describe it as funny or creative. It was stupid, juvenile humor that you MAGA types eat up with a spoon. It was no surprise that known dbag Trump Jr. posted it. He knows you bumpkins love that stuff. That's red meat to you yahoos.

I was hoping that the issues affecting our country would be debated this election cycle - adult issues. Lord knows we have plenty of them. But I guess we can expect Trump to continue to campaign to the lowest common denominator this election cycle. It's going to be the **** show you know and love. We are doomed.

Btw how many Trump trading cards have you purchased?


If Desantis would post something funny, I'd laugh and post it here.


I guess he needs to brush up on his 7th grade put downs for you.


I'd been told that "The Office" was funny. That mashup makes me want to see it.
both of my kids loved it. I didn't think it was terribly funny. But then, I didn't see much humor in Seinfeld, either.

Friends was great. Big Bang Theory was the best ever.
Man does this explain a lot.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 8:02a, 5/31/23
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.


I'm confident that if Trump loses in primary, he will try to burn it down instead of build up the Republican winner.
That is my fear as well.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 8:02a, 5/31/23
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
muddybrazos said:


lol, Trumps trolling of Rob Desanctus is great. His return to twitter is going to be glorious.


Glorious? Nah. Only you MAGA types eat up his self-aggrandizing bull **** with a spoon. To most Americans he's buffoonish.


Oh this election will be entertaining, for sure. From the feed of the Axios National Political Correspondent:




You thought that was entertaining?

Huh. Like I said, whatever floats you MAGA types boats…
Lighten up, Francis. Yes, it was funny.

RDS needs to get a lot more active, with exactly the same kind of ridicule. It's not like Trump doesn't offer a lot of material for the same.

I've heard great things about the Desantis team, and I keep waiting for them to show us something. But frankly, I'm concerned. At this moment (and, yes, it is still early) Trump is pummeling him like Ali beating up on a Wepner doing a pretty bad imitation of rope-a-dope.

I could post more examples but it'd look like I'm trying to beat up on Desantis, which I'm not. EX: Stories all over the internet yesterday about the leak from a Desantis donor meeting, quoting that Desantis will run to the right of Trump in the primary then move to the middle. As an inside baseball analysis, nothing terribly unusual about that, as it happens to some degree in every campaign when the nominee changes messaging to appeal to the general election voter. But the context was dreadful. Desantis has lined up most of the donor class, including the Bushies. Again, one takes the support/funding one gets in a campaign. And one has to speak to the concerns of one's supporters (regardless what one plans to do or not). But as I've said many times here before = a GOP primary is a RINO hunt. The base is just looking looking looking hunting searching prodding to find a RINO. And Team Desantis lets him blunder into the trap.

These fumbles are indicative of something I've said before.......moving up from a Gov. race to a POTUS race is not just the next step up the ladder. It is a quantum leap. I still think (hope, actually) Desantis will get better, but right now, he's holding on to next rung on the ladder by a fingernail. He's GOT to get better or it will be over before it begins.

Net effect of all this? Team Trump may have denied Team Desantis the usual "bump" in support that occurs after formal announcement. We'll see numbers on that in 7-10 days, and can dissect the whys & wherefores then.


Only a moron would describe it as funny or creative. It was stupid, juvenile humor that you MAGA types eat up with a spoon. It was no surprise that known dbag Trump Jr. posted it. He knows you bumpkins love that stuff. That's red meat to you yahoos.

I was hoping that the issues affecting our country would be debated this election cycle - adult issues. Lord knows we have plenty of them. But I guess we can expect Trump to continue to campaign to the lowest common denominator this election cycle. It's going to be the **** show you know and love. We are doomed.

Btw how many Trump trading cards have you purchased?


If Desantis would post something funny, I'd laugh and post it here.


I guess he needs to brush up on his 7th grade put downs for you.


I'd been told that "The Office" was funny. That mashup makes me want to see it.
It's pure greatness. I would suggest catching the early episodes.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 11:53a, 5/31/23
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I'm confident that if Trump loses in primary, he will try to burn it down instead of build up the Republican winner.
You are absolutely correct. Trump is not a Dem or Repub. He's 100% in this for himself.
Have you ever heard him say WE when crowing about anything positive that happened during his 4 years?. I predict he is going to implode or self combust before this is all over. Either he will or he will light the match that sets the country on fire.

I've got some cows I run on my small places. Trump's lips, when he really starts braying, reminds me of the South end of some of my Northbound cows after having eaten too much green grass. That little sneer he has of a spoiled and pampered rich kid who always gets his way reminds me of my cows. Maybe a better analogy is a horse.




"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
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In reply to Mothra • 1:19p, 5/31/23
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.
or you.
I can't recall making fun of someone's weight or looks or race or heritage or spouse or parents on this board. I don't even recall ever doing that in middle school either, but if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to post. We know how much you love the 7th grade taunts.

Politics is a tough & tumble game. One should learn in the primaries not to take offense at the things others say or do, because those others might be needed as allies not very far down
the road. That is easier said than done, for sure. Better to watch & listen & analyze the why/when/how aspects of the attacks. No question Trump's attacks are sharper than any GOP candidate I've seen heretofore, although no meaner than the things Dems call Republicans all the time. One would think at some point, Trump's sharp elbows would cost him. So far….not. He is getting a bit of blowback over his comments re McEnaney, though. We will see if it signals a reversal in his support.
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In reply to Cobretti • 1:20p, 5/31/23
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Brilliant!
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I will never vote for Trump again.
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In reply to whiterock • 2:16p, 5/31/23
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.
or you.
I can't recall making fun of someone's weight or looks or race or heritage or spouse or parents on this board. I don't even recall ever doing that in middle school either, but if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to post. We know how much you love the 7th grade taunts.

Politics is a tough & tumble game. One should learn in the primaries not to take offense at the things others say or do, because those others might be needed as allies not very far down
the road. That is easier said than done, for sure. Better to watch & listen & analyze the why/when/how aspects of the attacks. No question Trump's attacks are sharper than any GOP candidate I've seen heretofore, although no meaner than the things Dems call Republicans all the time. One would think at some point, Trump's sharp elbows would cost him. So far….not. He is getting a bit of blowback over his comments re McEnaney, though. We will see if it signals a reversal in his support.
Can you point me to specific examples of Democrat politicians making fun of a Republican's weight, looks, race, heritage, spouse or parents? I am sure there might be a few outliers, but I don't recall any off the top of my head, and certainly none with the consistency with which Trump does it.

Trump's attacks won't cost him with his base. They would vote for him if he murdered a family of 4. But it will continue to turn off the moderates and independents he needs to win another election. And I would argue it already cost him in 2020 and 2022.
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In reply to Mothra • 3:16p, 5/31/23
It's actually possible for Trump to win over Independents in the General Election, if Biden does bad enough at his job. Trump's big problem is Suburban Women.

Trump is less likely to win back Suburban Women than Mothra is to wear a MAGA hat. But DeSantis needs to work to gain their support, it won't happen just because he si running against Trump.
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Trump didn't declassify Russiagate documents, he didn't pardon Assange, he signed stupid spending bills authored by democrats. He's always been his own worst enemy.

DeSantis can hire people who won't see it as their last job. This is underweighted by people who aren't professionals. You're Trump's lawyer? That might be your last final client before being disbarred. Trump can't get things done because good people are too risk averse to jump onboard.

DeSantis is the better choice, BUT he's running like it's 2016. He doesn't have a ballot harvesting operation and he's biting Trump's bait. He needs to get it together and surpass Trump plus be able to fight against Democrat voting shenanigans.
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Kayleigh McEnany was one of the best things Trump did in the last few years and was able to articulate Trump's message to a higher quality...and he ****s on her too now.


In 6 months, Trump will end up ****ting on Ivanka, Melania and even his teenage son.

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In reply to Mothra • 3:49p, 5/31/23
Mothra said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.


I'm confident that if Trump loses in primary, he will try to burn it down instead of build up the Republican winner.
That is my fear as well.


O/U who gets the most criminal and indictments, Trump or Paxton?
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 3:59p, 5/31/23
Jack Bauer said:
Kayleigh McEnany was one of the best things Trump did in the last few years and was able to articulate Trump's message to a higher quality...and he ****s on her too now.


In 6 months, Trump will end up ****ting on Ivanka, Melania and even his teenage son.

Petty doesn't even begin to describe Trump. He may be the most thin-skinned person on the planet.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 4:01p, 5/31/23
Osodecentx said:
Mothra said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.


I'm confident that if Trump loses in primary, he will try to burn it down instead of build up the Republican winner.
That is my fear as well.


O/U who gets the most criminal and indictments, Trump or Paxton?
Indictments, pfft. Convictions is what matters, and from where I sit Paxton may have a lot more to worry about.

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Kayleigh McEnany was one of the best things Trump did in the last few years and was able to articulate Trump's message to a higher quality...and he ****s on her too now.


In 6 months, Trump will end up ****ting on Ivanka, Melania and even his teenage son.

Petty doesn't even begin to describe Trump. He may be the most thin-skinned person on the planet.

If he was a teenage girl, he would have his phone taken away....because he acts like a teenage girl on social media.
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Trump has never been an idealogue, and it's on full display now. DeSantis has returned him to his Democrat roots. Apparently he's praising Andrew Cuomo's Rona response.
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O/U who gets the most criminal and indictments, Trump or Paxton?
That could go into quadrouple overtime. We already have three ties in regulation.
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Osodecentx said:

O/U who gets the most criminal and indictments, Trump or Paxton?
That could go into quadrouple overtime. We already have three ties in regulation.


Indictments don't count. Settlements mean nothing. Bankruptcies are actually positives, good business moves. And civil judgements dont count. TV recordings are actually a negative against the person who recorded and a positive for Donald. Haven't you heard from the Trump crowd? All these things are actually positives.

Felony convictions are all that matter.
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A modest bump. Roughly twice what Haley got from announcement.

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whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.
or you.
I can't recall making fun of someone's weight or looks or race or heritage or spouse or parents on this board. I don't even recall ever doing that in middle school either, but if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to post. We know how much you love the 7th grade taunts.

Politics is a tough & tumble game. One should learn in the primaries not to take offense at the things others say or do, because those others might be needed as allies not very far down
the road. That is easier said than done, for sure. Better to watch & listen & analyze the why/when/how aspects of the attacks. No question Trump's attacks are sharper than any GOP candidate I've seen heretofore, although no meaner than the things Dems call Republicans all the time. One would think at some point, Trump's sharp elbows would cost him. So far….not. He is getting a bit of blowback over his comments re McEnaney, though. We will see if it signals a reversal in his support.
Can you point me to specific examples of Democrat politicians making fun of a Republican's weight, looks, race, heritage, spouse or parents? I am sure there might be a few outliers, but I don't recall any off the top of my head, and certainly none with the consistency with which Trump does it.
Why would they bother with those trivial things you listed when they can get by with calling us white supremacists or worse?

Trump's attacks won't cost him with his base. They would vote for him if he murdered a family of 4. But it will continue to turn off the moderates and independents he needs to win another election. And I would argue it already cost him in 2020 and 2022.
That is an assessment not entirely supported by polling. I suspect the more reasonable assessment would be that a decisive number of voters will end up deciding that Biden is even worse & has to go, no matter who we put on the ticket.
If you were to ask me am I surprised that Trump can get by doing what he's doing and have success in ANY electorate, I would say yes. My first synapse at literally all of his most objectionable actions is "aw, crap, again?...." but then, experience has taught me to watch & wait. Almost always, the ensuing furor has little impact on his support. As often as not it actually bumps him a bit. and then whatever concerns I might have about what he does are overcome by curiosity....what on earth could be causing this man's enduring support? Just look at his polling increases in both primary and general in the last 6 months. How could that happen? Democrats are purposefully working to string him up on an insurrection charge, and it's helping him. What part of Kansas are we no longer in?

I have some theories on all that which I'm pretty sure are clustered closer to the center of the dartboard than not. (and they tend to augur to Trump's favor). But more to the point, res ipsa loquitur. It IS working. Like it or not. So I'm going to watch & wait some more & see where things go. He may crater due to sheer voter fatigue with his schtick. More likely not. But we'll see. If he gets beat, I'm pretty confident it will be on other things. He was wrong in the first skirmish (Disney) in the "War on Wokeness" and has now pivoted 180. (HINT: you should be talking about that rather than electability or ungentlemanly behavior).

But one thing I know for sure: Whoever wins the primary is going to be our best shot at the general. I will be there no matter what. No virtue posture here. Just sharpen up the sword, get in shape, and give it another go. Democrats have to be stopped. They're going to slime every Republican on the ballot and not as Christian Nationalists (whatever that is) intent on putting POCs in chains and women in a harem. So I'll cut my nominee a little slack if he/she draws blood from innocent bystanders.

If the soldiers have to overcome the generalship, when then that's what it has to be. We just gotta win.
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RMF5630 said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
Osodecentx said:

O/U who gets the most criminal and indictments, Trump or Paxton?
That could go into quadrouple overtime. We already have three ties in regulation.


Indictments don't count. Settlements mean nothing. Bankruptcies are actually positives, good business moves. And civil judgements dont count. TV recordings are actually a negative against the person who recorded and a positive for Donald. Haven't you heard from the Trump crowd? All these things are actually positives.

Felony convictions are all that matter.
Until they don't.
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Sam Lowry said:
RMF5630 said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
Osodecentx said:

O/U who gets the most criminal and indictments, Trump or Paxton?
That could go into quadrouple overtime. We already have three ties in regulation.


Indictments don't count. Settlements mean nothing. Bankruptcies are actually positives, good business moves. And civil judgements dont count. TV recordings are actually a negative against the person who recorded and a positive for Donald. Haven't you heard from the Trump crowd? All these things are actually positives.

Felony convictions are all that matter.
Until they don't.


We agree here! If he is convicted tglhe Trumpeters will overlook that. It is a cult
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Yeah that guy was actually president.
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Jack Bauer said:
Kayleigh McEnany was one of the best things Trump did in the last few years and was able to articulate Trump's message to a higher quality...and he ****s on her too now.


In 6 months, Trump will end up ****ting on Ivanka, Melania and even his teenage son.

Smart Trump would have said some thing like this:

"I love Governor DeSantis. He's doing a great job and because of that my whole family moved to Florida. But I am leading him by over 30 points, that should tell you something important"

Instead, we get the brain-dead emission quoted above.

Insults a smart, loyal defender of his.

Mocks a man whose work and policies are almost identical with his own 2016 platform.

Trump comes off as tired and stupid.

It now stands to reason that those numbers Trump likes so much right now, well, they may not be so impressive a couple months from now.

By the way, it's just a bad joke to tell Pence he should run for President. Whoever sold him on that is a sad, mean person.
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Jack Bauer said:
Kayleigh McEnany was one of the best things Trump did in the last few years and was able to articulate Trump's message to a higher quality...and he ****s on her too now.


In 6 months, Trump will end up ****ting on Ivanka, Melania and even his teenage son.



By the way, it's just a bad joke to tell Pence he should run for President. Whoever sold him on that is a sad, mean person.
We have an election every two years. Campaign consultants need to have a horse in the race, and they get paid to guide that horse, win or lose......
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whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.
or you.
I can't recall making fun of someone's weight or looks or race or heritage or spouse or parents on this board. I don't even recall ever doing that in middle school either, but if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to post. We know how much you love the 7th grade taunts.

Politics is a tough & tumble game. One should learn in the primaries not to take offense at the things others say or do, because those others might be needed as allies not very far down
the road. That is easier said than done, for sure. Better to watch & listen & analyze the why/when/how aspects of the attacks. No question Trump's attacks are sharper than any GOP candidate I've seen heretofore, although no meaner than the things Dems call Republicans all the time. One would think at some point, Trump's sharp elbows would cost him. So far….not. He is getting a bit of blowback over his comments re McEnaney, though. We will see if it signals a reversal in his support.
Can you point me to specific examples of Democrat politicians making fun of a Republican's weight, looks, race, heritage, spouse or parents? I am sure there might be a few outliers, but I don't recall any off the top of my head, and certainly none with the consistency with which Trump does it.
Why would they bother with those trivial things you listed when they can get by with calling us white supremacists or worse?

Trump's attacks won't cost him with his base. They would vote for him if he murdered a family of 4. But it will continue to turn off the moderates and independents he needs to win another election. And I would argue it already cost him in 2020 and 2022.
That is an assessment not entirely supported by polling. I suspect the more reasonable assessment would be that a decisive number of voters will end up deciding that Biden is even worse & has to go, no matter who we put on the ticket.
If you were to ask me am I surprised that Trump can get by doing what he's doing and have success in ANY electorate, I would say yes. My first synapse at literally all of his most objectionable actions is "aw, crap, again?...." but then, experience has taught me to watch & wait. Almost always, the ensuing furor has little impact on his support. As often as not it actually bumps him a bit. and then whatever concerns I might have about what he does are overcome by curiosity....what on earth could be causing this man's enduring support? Just look at his polling increases in both primary and general in the last 6 months. How could that happen? Democrats are purposefully working to string him up on an insurrection charge, and it's helping him. What part of Kansas are we no longer in?

I have some theories on all that which I'm pretty sure are clustered closer to the center of the dartboard than not. (and they tend to augur to Trump's favor). But more to the point, res ipsa loquitur. It IS working. Like it or not. So I'm going to watch & wait some more & see where things go. He may crater due to sheer voter fatigue with his schtick. More likely not. But we'll see. If he gets beat, I'm pretty confident it will be on other things. He was wrong in the first skirmish (Disney) in the "War on Wokeness" and has now pivoted 180. (HINT: you should be talking about that rather than electability or ungentlemanly behavior).

But one thing I know for sure: Whoever wins the primary is going to be our best shot at the general. I will be there no matter what. No virtue posture here. Just sharpen up the sword, get in shape, and give it another go. Democrats have to be stopped. They're going to slime every Republican on the ballot and not as Christian Nationalists (whatever that is) intent on putting POCs in chains and women in a harem. So I'll cut my nominee a little slack if he/she draws blood from innocent bystanders.

If the soldiers have to overcome the generalship, when then that's what it has to be. We just gotta win.
When your attacks make you look like a 7th grade bully, I would submit that turns off voters outside of the base which, in the grand scheme of things, is a small minority. And yes, we did indeed see that in the 2020 election. And we will see it again in 2024. Watch and see. So, while I agree that those petty put downs are red meat to his base, more people are turned off by them. It gives them yet another reason to never vote for Trump.

Let's be honest - Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2020. He squeaked by and lost the popular vote to one of the worst candidates in modern history, and hasn't won anything since - losing to one of the least inspiring candidates in 2020, and losing the midterms. When push comes to shove, Americans will turn out and pull the trigger for Biden, despite how uninspiring he is, given the alternative.

If Trump is the candidate, which I fully expect he will be, watch for a repeat of 2020. Trump cannot win.
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Oldbear83 said:
Jack Bauer said:
Kayleigh McEnany was one of the best things Trump did in the last few years and was able to articulate Trump's message to a higher quality...and he ****s on her too now.


In 6 months, Trump will end up ****ting on Ivanka, Melania and even his teenage son.

Smart Trump would have said some thing like this:

"I love Governor DeSantis. He's doing a great job and because of that my whole family moved to Florida. But I am leading him by over 30 points, that should tell you something important"

Instead, we get the brain-dead emission quoted above.

Insults a smart, loyal defender of his.

Mocks a man whose work and policies are almost identical with his own 2016 platform.

Trump comes off as tired and stupid.

It now stands to reason that those numbers Trump likes so much right now, well, they may not be so impressive a couple months from now.

By the way, it's just a bad joke to tell Pence he should run for President. Whoever sold him on that is a sad, mean person.
If only he could communicate like that - like an adult.
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In reply to Mothra • 8:00a, 6/1/23
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.
or you.
I can't recall making fun of someone's weight or looks or race or heritage or spouse or parents on this board. I don't even recall ever doing that in middle school either, but if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to post. We know how much you love the 7th grade taunts.

Politics is a tough & tumble game. One should learn in the primaries not to take offense at the things others say or do, because those others might be needed as allies not very far down
the road. That is easier said than done, for sure. Better to watch & listen & analyze the why/when/how aspects of the attacks. No question Trump's attacks are sharper than any GOP candidate I've seen heretofore, although no meaner than the things Dems call Republicans all the time. One would think at some point, Trump's sharp elbows would cost him. So far….not. He is getting a bit of blowback over his comments re McEnaney, though. We will see if it signals a reversal in his support.
Can you point me to specific examples of Democrat politicians making fun of a Republican's weight, looks, race, heritage, spouse or parents? I am sure there might be a few outliers, but I don't recall any off the top of my head, and certainly none with the consistency with which Trump does it.
Why would they bother with those trivial things you listed when they can get by with calling us white supremacists or worse?

Trump's attacks won't cost him with his base. They would vote for him if he murdered a family of 4. But it will continue to turn off the moderates and independents he needs to win another election. And I would argue it already cost him in 2020 and 2022.
That is an assessment not entirely supported by polling. I suspect the more reasonable assessment would be that a decisive number of voters will end up deciding that Biden is even worse & has to go, no matter who we put on the ticket.
If you were to ask me am I surprised that Trump can get by doing what he's doing and have success in ANY electorate, I would say yes. My first synapse at literally all of his most objectionable actions is "aw, crap, again?...." but then, experience has taught me to watch & wait. Almost always, the ensuing furor has little impact on his support. As often as not it actually bumps him a bit. and then whatever concerns I might have about what he does are overcome by curiosity....what on earth could be causing this man's enduring support? Just look at his polling increases in both primary and general in the last 6 months. How could that happen? Democrats are purposefully working to string him up on an insurrection charge, and it's helping him. What part of Kansas are we no longer in?

I have some theories on all that which I'm pretty sure are clustered closer to the center of the dartboard than not. (and they tend to augur to Trump's favor). But more to the point, res ipsa loquitur. It IS working. Like it or not. So I'm going to watch & wait some more & see where things go. He may crater due to sheer voter fatigue with his schtick. More likely not. But we'll see. If he gets beat, I'm pretty confident it will be on other things. He was wrong in the first skirmish (Disney) in the "War on Wokeness" and has now pivoted 180. (HINT: you should be talking about that rather than electability or ungentlemanly behavior).

But one thing I know for sure: Whoever wins the primary is going to be our best shot at the general. I will be there no matter what. No virtue posture here. Just sharpen up the sword, get in shape, and give it another go. Democrats have to be stopped. They're going to slime every Republican on the ballot and not as Christian Nationalists (whatever that is) intent on putting POCs in chains and women in a harem. So I'll cut my nominee a little slack if he/she draws blood from innocent bystanders.

If the soldiers have to overcome the generalship, when then that's what it has to be. We just gotta win.
When your attacks make you look like a 7th grade bully, I would submit that turns off voters outside of the base which, in the grand scheme of things, is a small minority. And yes, we did indeed see that in the 2020 election. And we will see it again in 2024. Watch and see. So, while I agree that those petty put downs are red meat to his base, more people are turned off by them. It gives them yet another reason to never vote for Trump.

Let's be honest - Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2020. He squeaked by and lost the popular vote to one of the worst candidates in modern history, and hasn't won anything since - losing to one of the least inspiring candidates in 2020, and losing the midterms. When push comes to shove, Americans will turn out and pull the trigger for Biden, despite how uninspiring he is, given the alternative.

If Trump is the candidate, which I fully expect he will be, watch for a repeat of 2020. Trump cannot win.
Problem is, if we apply that same analysis to Biden, we end up at the same conclusion - Biden cannot win. And the trends of the last 6 months are all against Biden (and Desantis) and for Trump. That could change, for sure.

It's early. We'll have a better idea what is possible or not 8 months from now. In the meantime, we have an old bull who is capable being challenged by a younger bull who might be better. But we won't know until they start butting heads.
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whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Aliceinbubbleland said:
"He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured".About McCain, coming from a draft dodger.

"You could see blood coming out of her wherever" re; Megyn Kelly

Mocking Serge Kovaleski.

The purpose of my retort to you was to simply say those you dislike (AOC, Warren, Biden) never ever make such stupid insults but they apparently appeal to a lot of people with similar beliefs.

He lost his re-election because of his big mouth.
"RACIST!!!!"

The other side is even worse. It's politics. Get tougher.


Perhaps, but they don't come across as 7th grade schoolyard bullies when they do it. You don't typically hear the Dems attacking a Republican's looks or weight. While you are correct they will play the race card, you don't typically hear them making fun of a Republican's name or heritage. You don't typically hear then attacking the looks of Republican's' spouses or questioning the patriotism of their parents. And one thing you never hear them engage in is scathing attacks on each other. They don't shoot members of their own team.

I'm other words, they're not like Trump.
or you.
I can't recall making fun of someone's weight or looks or race or heritage or spouse or parents on this board. I don't even recall ever doing that in middle school either, but if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to post. We know how much you love the 7th grade taunts.

Politics is a tough & tumble game. One should learn in the primaries not to take offense at the things others say or do, because those others might be needed as allies not very far down
the road. That is easier said than done, for sure. Better to watch & listen & analyze the why/when/how aspects of the attacks. No question Trump's attacks are sharper than any GOP candidate I've seen heretofore, although no meaner than the things Dems call Republicans all the time. One would think at some point, Trump's sharp elbows would cost him. So far….not. He is getting a bit of blowback over his comments re McEnaney, though. We will see if it signals a reversal in his support.
Can you point me to specific examples of Democrat politicians making fun of a Republican's weight, looks, race, heritage, spouse or parents? I am sure there might be a few outliers, but I don't recall any off the top of my head, and certainly none with the consistency with which Trump does it.
Why would they bother with those trivial things you listed when they can get by with calling us white supremacists or worse?

Trump's attacks won't cost him with his base. They would vote for him if he murdered a family of 4. But it will continue to turn off the moderates and independents he needs to win another election. And I would argue it already cost him in 2020 and 2022.
That is an assessment not entirely supported by polling. I suspect the more reasonable assessment would be that a decisive number of voters will end up deciding that Biden is even worse & has to go, no matter who we put on the ticket.
If you were to ask me am I surprised that Trump can get by doing what he's doing and have success in ANY electorate, I would say yes. My first synapse at literally all of his most objectionable actions is "aw, crap, again?...." but then, experience has taught me to watch & wait. Almost always, the ensuing furor has little impact on his support. As often as not it actually bumps him a bit. and then whatever concerns I might have about what he does are overcome by curiosity....what on earth could be causing this man's enduring support? Just look at his polling increases in both primary and general in the last 6 months. How could that happen? Democrats are purposefully working to string him up on an insurrection charge, and it's helping him. What part of Kansas are we no longer in?

I have some theories on all that which I'm pretty sure are clustered closer to the center of the dartboard than not. (and they tend to augur to Trump's favor). But more to the point, res ipsa loquitur. It IS working. Like it or not. So I'm going to watch & wait some more & see where things go. He may crater due to sheer voter fatigue with his schtick. More likely not. But we'll see. If he gets beat, I'm pretty confident it will be on other things. He was wrong in the first skirmish (Disney) in the "War on Wokeness" and has now pivoted 180. (HINT: you should be talking about that rather than electability or ungentlemanly behavior).

But one thing I know for sure: Whoever wins the primary is going to be our best shot at the general. I will be there no matter what. No virtue posture here. Just sharpen up the sword, get in shape, and give it another go. Democrats have to be stopped. They're going to slime every Republican on the ballot and not as Christian Nationalists (whatever that is) intent on putting POCs in chains and women in a harem. So I'll cut my nominee a little slack if he/she draws blood from innocent bystanders.

If the soldiers have to overcome the generalship, when then that's what it has to be. We just gotta win.
When your attacks make you look like a 7th grade bully, I would submit that turns off voters outside of the base which, in the grand scheme of things, is a small minority. And yes, we did indeed see that in the 2020 election. And we will see it again in 2024. Watch and see. So, while I agree that those petty put downs are red meat to his base, more people are turned off by them. It gives them yet another reason to never vote for Trump.

Let's be honest - Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2020. He squeaked by and lost the popular vote to one of the worst candidates in modern history, and hasn't won anything since - losing to one of the least inspiring candidates in 2020, and losing the midterms. When push comes to shove, Americans will turn out and pull the trigger for Biden, despite how uninspiring he is, given the alternative.

If Trump is the candidate, which I fully expect he will be, watch for a repeat of 2020. Trump cannot win.
Problem is, if we apply that same analysis to Biden, we end up at the same conclusion - Biden cannot win. And the trends of the last 6 months are all against Biden (and Desantis) and for Trump. That could change, for sure.

It's early. We'll have a better idea what is possible or not 8 months from now. In the meantime, we have an old bull who is capable being challenged by a younger bull who might be better. But we won't know until they start butting heads.
I am starting to think we need someone to be drafted into the race. Been hearing rumblings of Jaimie Dimon of Chase. They don't know if he would run as a Democrat or Republican, I can go for that! We need an adult that is not a professional politician. The guy has more money than God, so he wouldn't be padding the pockets. Wonder how he would do. It would be fun to see him in a debate with Trump.
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