Calvin Klein: Budweiser, hold my beer!

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Wangchung
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Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

whitetrash
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Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
Common tactic is to just ignore reality.

Pointing out that the larger danger to children and women is different than what is being legislated against is a straight forward criticism of the right's current obssession.
J.R.
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Waco1947 said:

These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.
Nope. The almighty dollar is the best protest instrument. I don't shop, so target doesn't matter to me. In Bev (AB), however is different. If they want to market to trans folks, that is their choice (albeit a very bad one as seen in their sales decline). when they say "we are trying to market to trans and LBQ (whatever) and not a bunch of frat boys." That is fine too, but frat boys and blue collar men help build that brand and now they want to push this trans crap all up in my grill....sorry, out on Bud (not that it is good), now have to give up a little Negro Modelo does hurt!
Frank Galvin
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Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Sam Lowry
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Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Wangchung
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Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
I am saying exactly what you are saying, just in a way that might sink into your brain and make you realize what you're actually espousing here.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Frank Galvin
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Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
Sam Lowry
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Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Frank Galvin
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Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Sam Lowry
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Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger issue is that 1) it is an issue, i.e. people disagree about it and 2) it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Frank Galvin
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Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
GrowlTowel
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Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
One is illegal. Why can't both be illegal?

When was your last gig any way?
GrowlTowel
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Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?
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GrowlTowel said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?
The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?
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GrowlTowel said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
One is illegal. Why can't both be illegal?

When was your last gig any way?
Pedophilia is illegal no matter who commits it.
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Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.
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Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?


I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Frank Galvin said:

GrowlTowel said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?
The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

If it's entirely elective because they think having one leg will make them feel better (or a unicorn) then, yes, absolutely.
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Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.
I am not qualified to know whether "gender affirming care" is abuse or necessary to a child's well being. Doctors are; parents have to make tough decisions. We should let them do it, even if we would not make the same decision. We do the same with a wide variety of similar parenting/medical decisions.

You give too much credit to Christians. Many proclaimed Chrisitians want to stigmatize people; judgment is their default mechanism. But many more Christians are being buffaloed about what is going on in schools. The "woke curricula" they are up in arms about (at least in the younger grades) is literally we should be kind to everybody. The activists and fearmongers transform that simple lesson, which is one of two core Christian concepts, into a radical idealogy that will fundamentally alter America.
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Being nice to a trans person and agreeing that a man is a woman are NOT the same thing.

We should be kind to everyone. We should not, under any circumstance, pretend a man can become a woman or vise versa…because they can't. No matter how much they want to or feel like they are.
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Frank Galvin said:

GrowlTowel said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?
The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?
Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?
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D. C. Bear said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?


I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.
But most can't. I pointed out the problem with religious instittutions because despite all the training you discussed (with which I am well familiar) there has been and still is a cover-up problem. And, to prove my point, 90% of the responses castigated me for mentioning it. Lets pretend that harm cannot come from the church. Speck and log comes to mind.

As I replied below, I don't pretend to be qualified to judge this issue. When children and minors are in pain, our default should be to honor the parents' decisions, particularly where those decisions have support from medical professionals.

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Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

GrowlTowel said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?
The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?
Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?
No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.
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D. C. Bear said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?


I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.
It's not about walking and chewing gum, Jinx or whomever this is, underlying agenda of condemning christians, and condeming hetrosexual men, no matter what they do or don't do is the real agenda.

The christian ministers that abused children, and you would have to be really sure about this, but the ones that really do, should first have their balls cut off, then thrown in prison for at least 20 years, at least 20.

Guys or gals that struggle with gender dysphoria need mental help, this new transgenger push will have them be mutilated before they can get the real clinical help they need.

But, don't be fooled by this "new" guy, they aren't looking for dialog, they are looking down their noses with condemnation to anybody that disagrees with them.

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Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.
100%. The typical regressive motte and bailey argument that the issue is "being kind" is ludicrous. Travestistites have existed for likely as long as humans have, and by and large folks were as kind to them as anyone. Real, committed transvestites want to live and let live and be left alone and not have attention called to them. However, actual gender dysphoria largely has been replaced by Gaystapo activists putting on Girlface and demanding:
- Men freely use women's restrooms and showers
- Men compete in women's sports
- Experimental mutiliations on children
- Sexualizing children
- Pornograpy in elementary school libraries

So stop acting like it has anythign to do with "kindness" or making the false equivalency that wanting to protect women and children is "anti-trans." It's an immature, emotional fallacy common among the regressive program.

I acknowledge state legislatures getting involved in healh care decisions is not my preferred path, but someone has to protect children from mentally ill parents and politicized medicine. The correlation between the profiles of parents with so-called "trans" kids demonstrates it is not a function of the child but the mentally ill parents seeking attention.

There literally is no evidence than mutiliting children is beneficial for them, and "affirming" mental illness is not standard medical practice - we do not "affirm" anorexia, depression, suicidal thoughts, or (maybe it's changing) morbid obesity. As I noted before, without irony Vanity Fair did a piece on Megan Fox' body dysphoria, and classified it as mental illness. Literally nothing is different with gender dysphoria other than the special interest group.

Even Europe has realized the folly and stopped much of the extreme mutilation on children. There is going to be a rash of likley suicides among those poor children who have been sacrificed to the Gaystapo god and the complicit medical community, and we must protect them. The state regularly intervenes in child abuse cases, and giving a child experimental medications or surgery in response to a parent's metnal illness is the definition of child abuse.

Not to mention standing up for women and the rights they have won over 100 years.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

D. C. Bear said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?


I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.
It's not about walking and chewing gum, Jinx or whomever this is, underlying agenda of condemning christians, and condeming hetrosexual men, no matter what they do or don't do is the real agenda.

The christian ministers that abused children, and you would have to be really sure about this, but the ones that really do, should first have their balls cut off, then thrown in prison for at least 20 years, at least 20.

Guys or gals that struggle with gender dysphoria need mental help, this new transgenger push will have them be mutilated before they can get the real clinical help they need.

But, don't be fooled by this "new" guy, they aren't looking for dialog, they are looking down their noses with condemnation to anybody that disagrees with them.


You are quite the mind reader, knowning how the terrible "they" are looking down their nose at you. Part of our problem with the absence of civil discourse is the need to ascribe ill motives to everyone who disagrees with us.

Is it not possible that most of the folks who want medical options are just people doing their best to resolve problems you and I do not fully understand?

And for the record, the walk and chew gum metaphor was yours, not mine.
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D. C. Bear said:

Frank Galvin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Frank Galvin said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?


I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?
The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?
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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.
I am not qualified to know whether "gender affirming care" is abuse or necessary to a child's well being. Doctors are; parents have to make tough decisions. We should let them do it, even if we would not make the same decision. We do the same with a wide variety of similar parenting/medical decisions.

You give too much credit to Christians. Many proclaimed Chrisitians want to stigmatize people; judgment is their default mechanism. But many more Christians are being buffaloed about what is going on in schools. The "woke curricula" they are up in arms about (at least in the younger grades) is literally we should be kind to everybody. The activists and fearmongers transform that simple lesson, which is one of two core Christian concepts, into a radical idealogy that will fundamentally alter America.
The "treatments" are irreversible. To do that to your own child is despicable. If adults choose to do that to themselves, so be it, as long as they don't ask us to pay for the treatments & no special rights are included.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.
100%. The typical regressive motte and bailey argument that the issue is "being kind" is ludicrous. Travestistites have existed for likely as long as humans have, and by and large folks were as kind to them as anyone. Real, committed transvestites want to live and let live and be left alone and not have attention called to them. However, actual gender dysphoria largely has been replaced by Gaystapo activists putting on Girlface and demanding:
- Men freely use women's restrooms and showers
- Men compete in women's sports
- Experimental mutiliations on children
- Sexualizing children
- Pornograpy in elementary school libraries

So stop acting like it has anythign to do with "kindness" or making the false equivalency that wanting to protect women and children is "anti-trans." It's an immature, emotional fallacy common among the regressive program.

I acknowledge state legislatures getting involved in healh care decisions is not my preferred path, but someone has to protect children from mentally ill parents and politicized medicine. The correlation between the profiles of parents with so-called "trans" kids demonstrates it is not a function of the child but the mentally ill parents seeking attention.

There literally is no evidence than mutiliting children is beneficial for them, and "affirming" mental illness is not standard medical practice - we do not "affirm" anorexia, depression, suicidal thoughts, or (maybe it's changing) morbid obesity. As I noted before, without irony Vanity Fair did a piece on Megan Fox' body dysphoria, and classified it as mental illness. Literally nothing is different with gender dysphoria other than the special interest group.

Even Europe has realized the folly and stopped much of the extreme mutilation on children. There is going to be a rash of likley suicides among those poor children who have been sacrificed to the Gaystapo god and the complicit medical community, and we must protect them. The state regularly intervenes in child abuse cases, and giving a child experimental medications or surgery in response to a parent's metnal illness is the definition of child abuse.

Not to mention standing up for women and the rights they have won over 100 years.
Kindness would probably start by not comparing those who disagree with you to Nazis. And the idea that society has been kind to transvestites (and gays/esbians) is just laughable.

Why don't you go to med school, do a residency, then a fellowship before explaining medical conditions and appropriate responses.
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Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?


I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.
It's not about walking and chewing gum, Jinx or whomever this is, underlying agenda of condemning christians, and condeming hetrosexual men, no matter what they do or don't do is the real agenda.

The christian ministers that abused children, and you would have to be really sure about this, but the ones that really do, should first have their balls cut off, then thrown in prison for at least 20 years, at least 20.

Guys or gals that struggle with gender dysphoria need mental help, this new transgenger push will have them be mutilated before they can get the real clinical help they need.

But, don't be fooled by this "new" guy, they aren't looking for dialog, they are looking down their noses with condemnation to anybody that disagrees with them.


Is it not possible that most of the folks who want medical options are just people doing their best to resolve problems you and I do not fully understand?
It is not in this case because the so-called "gender affimring" care prescribed to children defies all general standards of care and logic.

1. There is no evidence that giving children puberty blockers and voluntary mutiliaton solves any medical problem, which is the point of medicine - it is treating mental illness with surgery
2. Real-world evidence actually contradicts the efficacy of mutiliting children and given them irreversible damage
3. In virtually every other discipline, medicine is conservative and life-altering medications and surgery is a last resord not front-line therapy
4. Especially in children, life-altering treatment is given only as a last resort
5. No other mental illness is affirmed: not anorexia, not people that want to cut of limbs, not morbidly obese, not clinically depressed, not alcoholics, etc.

The only thing different is the medical establishment has been captured by politicians and special interest groups. The question is who are these people and how could anyone with a brain or a heart want to permantenly disfigure a child?
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Wangchung said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.
100%. The typical regressive motte and bailey argument that the issue is "being kind" is ludicrous. Travestistites have existed for likely as long as humans have, and by and large folks were as kind to them as anyone. Real, committed transvestites want to live and let live and be left alone and not have attention called to them. However, actual gender dysphoria largely has been replaced by Gaystapo activists putting on Girlface and demanding:
- Men freely use women's restrooms and showers
- Men compete in women's sports
- Experimental mutiliations on children
- Sexualizing children
- Pornograpy in elementary school libraries

So stop acting like it has anythign to do with "kindness" or making the false equivalency that wanting to protect women and children is "anti-trans." It's an immature, emotional fallacy common among the regressive program.

I acknowledge state legislatures getting involved in healh care decisions is not my preferred path, but someone has to protect children from mentally ill parents and politicized medicine. The correlation between the profiles of parents with so-called "trans" kids demonstrates it is not a function of the child but the mentally ill parents seeking attention.

There literally is no evidence than mutiliting children is beneficial for them, and "affirming" mental illness is not standard medical practice - we do not "affirm" anorexia, depression, suicidal thoughts, or (maybe it's changing) morbid obesity. As I noted before, without irony Vanity Fair did a piece on Megan Fox' body dysphoria, and classified it as mental illness. Literally nothing is different with gender dysphoria other than the special interest group.

Even Europe has realized the folly and stopped much of the extreme mutilation on children. There is going to be a rash of likley suicides among those poor children who have been sacrificed to the Gaystapo god and the complicit medical community, and we must protect them. The state regularly intervenes in child abuse cases, and giving a child experimental medications or surgery in response to a parent's metnal illness is the definition of child abuse.

Not to mention standing up for women and the rights they have won over 100 years.
Kindness would probably start by not comparing those who disagree with you to Nazis. And the idea that society has been kind to transvestites (and gays/esbians) is just laughable.

Why don't you go to med school, do a residency, then a fellowship before explaining medical conditions and appropriate responses.
Now that is the pot calling the kettle black. Do you have an response or just more distraction?
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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?
Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.
Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?
I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.
Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.
Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.
Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."
So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?
The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?
Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?
No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.
The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?
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Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wangchung said:

Frank Galvin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.
It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.
Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.
Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.
Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.
For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.




yeah, fair question, for which we have an indication of outcome = Virginia. Wokeness in the schools was a big factor in a 9%-swing that brought Youngkin into office. And then the reaction to Bud Lite. While not a particularly outrageous stunt itself, the Mulvaney can finally snapped the boundary tape. And we're seeing more of it. For a reason. The critical mass of the body politic has seen enough.

Re that part in bold: Drag performers are not predators or groomers when they ply their trade in girly bars, burlesque shows, sales convention stag parties, or even bachelorette parties. Yeah, yeah, the Wednesday night church crowd will squeal about their existence, for sure. But ordinary people are pretty blase about things that are not up in their grille, and drag shows are not going to get much reaction until trannies start tucking & spreading their wares in the noses of kindergarten aged kids. THAT crosses a line that should not have to be explained here or anywhere else, and the groomer epithet is spot on.
 
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