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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.

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100%. The typical regressive motte and bailey argument that the issue is "being kind" is ludicrous. Travestistites have existed for likely as long as humans have, and by and large folks were as kind to them as anyone. Real, committed transvestites want to live and let live and be left alone and not have attention called to them. However, actual gender dysphoria largely has been replaced by Gaystapo activists putting on Girlface and demanding:
- Men freely use women's restrooms and showers
- Men compete in women's sports
- Experimental mutiliations on children
- Sexualizing children
- Pornograpy in elementary school libraries

So stop acting like it has anythign to do with "kindness" or making the false equivalency that wanting to protect women and children is "anti-trans." It's an immature, emotional fallacy common among the regressive program.

I acknowledge state legislatures getting involved in healh care decisions is not my preferred path, but someone has to protect children from mentally ill parents and politicized medicine. The correlation between the profiles of parents with so-called "trans" kids demonstrates it is not a function of the child but the mentally ill parents seeking attention.

There literally is no evidence than mutiliting children is beneficial for them, and "affirming" mental illness is not standard medical practice - we do not "affirm" anorexia, depression, suicidal thoughts, or (maybe it's changing) morbid obesity. As I noted before, without irony Vanity Fair did a piece on Megan Fox' body dysphoria, and classified it as mental illness. Literally nothing is different with gender dysphoria other than the special interest group.

Even Europe has realized the folly and stopped much of the extreme mutilation on children. There is going to be a rash of likley suicides among those poor children who have been sacrificed to the Gaystapo god and the complicit medical community, and we must protect them. The state regularly intervenes in child abuse cases, and giving a child experimental medications or surgery in response to a parent's metnal illness is the definition of child abuse.

Not to mention standing up for women and the rights they have won over 100 years.

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Kindness would probably start by not comparing those who disagree with you to Nazis. And the idea that society has been kind to transvestites (and gays/esbians) is just laughable.

Why don't you go to med school, do a residency, then a fellowship before explaining medical conditions and appropriate responses.

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Now that is the pot calling the kettle black. Do you have an response or just more distraction?

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My response has been to defer to the medical professionals; yours is to challenge them.

You used the term Gaystopo, I haven't used derogatory terms to my knowledge. So I am not sure what you are talking about.

Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?

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No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.

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The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?

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Again, maybe a doctor should be answering that question rather than me-or a real estate agent who happens to be a state legislator.

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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yeah, fair question, for which we have an indication of outcome = Virginia. Wokeness in the schools was a big factor in a 9%-swing that brought Youngkin into office. And then the reaction to Bud Lite. While not a particularly outrageous stunt itself, the Mulvaney can finally snapped the boundary tape. And we're seeing more of it. For a reason. The critical mass of the body politic has seen enough.

Re that part in bold: Drag performers are not predators or groomers when they ply their trade in girly bars, burlesque shows, sales convention stag parties, or even bachelorette parties. Yeah, yeah, the Wednesday night church crowd will squeal about their existence, for sure. But ordinary people are pretty blase about things that are not up in their grille, and drag shows are not going to get much reaction until trannies start tucking & spreading their wares in the noses of kindergarten aged kids. THAT crosses a line that should not have to be explained here or anywhere else, and the groomer epithet is spot on.

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Wokeness in schools is a political tactic that has had some success by over-sensationilizing the curricula. We will see if ithe issue has staying power.

I don't see the utiity of drag shows for kindergarteners (or any minors), we agree there. The state should not sponsor anythng like that, whether at school or in other public space. The state should also not prevent parents from taking their teens to private shows anymore thanit should prevent parents from showing R-rated movies in their own homes.

Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

---

It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

---

Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

---

Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

---

Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

---

For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?

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No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.

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The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?

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Complete lack of irony in this story.

"While BDD typically isn't curable, treatment can help mitigate its effects. Treatment can consist of psychotherapy that can help adapt your thought processes and coping strategies. In some cases, medications like antidepressants can be helpful. However, it's never a good idea to jump to medications as soon as possible, unless there is an urgent, high-potential-for harm problem."

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

---

Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

---

Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

---

For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?

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No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.

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The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?

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Complete lack of irony in this story.

"While BDD typically isn't curable, treatment can help mitigate its effects. Treatment can consist of psychotherapy that can help adapt your thought processes and coping strategies. In some cases, medications like antidepressants can be helpful. However, it's never a good idea to jump to medications as soon as possible, unless there is an urgent, high-potential-for harm problem."

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I am sure that doctors understand this idea.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

---

Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

---

Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

---

For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?

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No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.

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The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?

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Complete lack of irony in this story.

"While BDD typically isn't curable, treatment can help mitigate its effects. Treatment can consist of psychotherapy that can help adapt your thought processes and coping strategies. In some cases, medications like antidepressants can be helpful. However, it's never a good idea to jump to medications as soon as possible, unless there is an urgent, high-potential-for harm problem."

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I am sure that doctors understand this idea.

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It seems very obvious with regard to BDD. They don't always seem to understand it with regard to gender treatment. Why not?

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?

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No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.

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The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?

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Complete lack of irony in this story.

"While BDD typically isn't curable, treatment can help mitigate its effects. Treatment can consist of psychotherapy that can help adapt your thought processes and coping strategies. In some cases, medications like antidepressants can be helpful. However, it's never a good idea to jump to medications as soon as possible, unless there is an urgent, high-potential-for harm problem."

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I am sure that doctors understand this idea.

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The evidence contradicts your understanding.

Hey, guys, Frank isn't a doctor, and since he agrees with some alleged doctors he read about or watched a video of you can't refute his opinions! Nanny nanny boo boo and so on.

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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If it is done as elective surgery, yes. It would be an indicator of an extreme emotional/mental issue that needed to be addressed.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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It's not about walking and chewing gum, Jinx or whomever this is, underlying agenda of condemning christians, and condeming hetrosexual men, no matter what they do or don't do is the real agenda.

The christian ministers that abused children, and you would have to be really sure about this, but the ones that really do, should first have their balls cut off, then thrown in prison for at least 20 years, at least 20.

Guys or gals that struggle with gender dysphoria need mental help, this new transgenger push will have them be mutilated before they can get the real clinical help they need.

But, don't be fooled by this "new" guy, they aren't looking for dialog, they are looking down their noses with condemnation to anybody that disagrees with them.

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You are quite the mind reader, knowning how the terrible "they" are looking down their nose at you. Part of our problem with the absence of civil discourse is the need to ascribe ill motives to everyone who disagrees with us.

Is it not possible that most of the folks who want medical options are just people doing their best to resolve problems you and I do not fully understand?

And for the record, the walk and chew gum metaphor was yours, not mine.

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For the record, it was my metaphor, not his and the point is that you have offered as argument a logical fallacy that would get you a a very poor grade if you is used it in a freshman-level speech class.

Abuse in the church is horrible and it is unrelated to whether or not chemically blocking puberty and surgically mutilating children is also horrible abuse. One major difference is that everyone, or pretty much everyone, agrees that the abuse in the church is horrible (there are some who want to normalize pedophilia) while there are more of those who openly push for the medical abuse of those with gender dysphoria.

Anybody considering life altering elective surgery to change their natural gender, should at the very least be a legal adult
Since the brain isn't fully formed until the late 20's and it is an unnecessary surgery, age 21 should be the absolute minimum age. Age 21 is the minimum for drinking, that should be the absolute minimum age.

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Wangchung said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.

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100%. The typical regressive motte and bailey argument that the issue is "being kind" is ludicrous. Travestistites have existed for likely as long as humans have, and by and large folks were as kind to them as anyone. Real, committed transvestites want to live and let live and be left alone and not have attention called to them. However, actual gender dysphoria largely has been replaced by Gaystapo activists putting on Girlface and demanding:
- Men freely use women's restrooms and showers
- Men compete in women's sports
- Experimental mutiliations on children
- Sexualizing children
- Pornograpy in elementary school libraries

So stop acting like it has anythign to do with "kindness" or making the false equivalency that wanting to protect women and children is "anti-trans." It's an immature, emotional fallacy common among the regressive program.

I acknowledge state legislatures getting involved in healh care decisions is not my preferred path, but someone has to protect children from mentally ill parents and politicized medicine. The correlation between the profiles of parents with so-called "trans" kids demonstrates it is not a function of the child but the mentally ill parents seeking attention.

There literally is no evidence than mutiliting children is beneficial for them, and "affirming" mental illness is not standard medical practice - we do not "affirm" anorexia, depression, suicidal thoughts, or (maybe it's changing) morbid obesity. As I noted before, without irony Vanity Fair did a piece on Megan Fox' body dysphoria, and classified it as mental illness. Literally nothing is different with gender dysphoria other than the special interest group.

Even Europe has realized the folly and stopped much of the extreme mutilation on children. There is going to be a rash of likley suicides among those poor children who have been sacrificed to the Gaystapo god and the complicit medical community, and we must protect them. The state regularly intervenes in child abuse cases, and giving a child experimental medications or surgery in response to a parent's metnal illness is the definition of child abuse.

Not to mention standing up for women and the rights they have won over 100 years.

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Kindness would probably start by not comparing those who disagree with you to Nazis. And the idea that society has been kind to transvestites (and gays/esbians) is just laughable.

Why don't you go to med school, do a residency, then a fellowship before explaining medical conditions and appropriate responses.

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Now that is the pot calling the kettle black. Do you have an response or just more distraction?

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My response has been to defer to the medical professionals; yours is to challenge them.

You used the term Gaystopo, I haven't used derogatory terms to my knowledge. So I am not sure what you are talking about.

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Are these medical professionals who prescribed thalidomide and said Rona lockdowns will not harm kids? Are these medical professionals that claimed burn loot murder protests magically will not spread Rona?

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?

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No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.

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The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?

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Complete lack of irony in this story.

"While BDD typically isn't curable, treatment can help mitigate its effects. Treatment can consist of psychotherapy that can help adapt your thought processes and coping strategies. In some cases, medications like antidepressants can be helpful. However, it's never a good idea to jump to medications as soon as possible, unless there is an urgent, high-potential-for harm problem."

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I am sure that doctors understand this idea.

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I know many doctors that disagree with this and would never prescribe such medication or perform such surgeries. So who is right?

I also know that doctors are human just like everyone else and there are differing opinions on what might be a best course of action. I know doctors that are just as able to be influenced by "modern thinking" without any actual research to back it up. And lastly there are also many doctors who are influenced by old fashioned greed. "Gender affirming care" doesn't come cheap.

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Healthy limb amputation is widely considered unethical and probably is illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

Would you support it for a child if their parents agreed?

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No, just as I would not support trans surgery or medication for children who offer no symptoms that would call for those procedures. I assume doctors who want to keep their licenses would feel the same way.

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The symptoms of gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria are essentially the same, i.e. suffering from a strong subjective feeling that the body is "wrong." Why treat the one any differently from the other?

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Complete lack of irony in this story.

"While BDD typically isn't curable, treatment can help mitigate its effects. Treatment can consist of psychotherapy that can help adapt your thought processes and coping strategies. In some cases, medications like antidepressants can be helpful. However, it's never a good idea to jump to medications as soon as possible, unless there is an urgent, high-potential-for harm problem."

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I am sure that doctors understand this idea.

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I know many doctors that disagree with this and would never prescribe such medication or perform such surgeries. So who is right?

I also know that doctors are human just like everyone else and there are differing opinions on what might be a best course of action. I know doctors that are just as able to be influenced by "modern thinking" without any actual research to back it up. And lastly there are also many doctors who are influenced by old fashioned greed. "Gender affirming care" doesn't come cheap.

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Appeal to Authority is a fallacy often employed by morons.

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whiterock said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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yeah, fair question, for which we have an indication of outcome = Virginia. Wokeness in the schools was a big factor in a 9%-swing that brought Youngkin into office. And then the reaction to Bud Lite. While not a particularly outrageous stunt itself, the Mulvaney can finally snapped the boundary tape. And we're seeing more of it. For a reason. The critical mass of the body politic has seen enough.

Re that part in bold: Drag performers are not predators or groomers when they ply their trade in girly bars, burlesque shows, sales convention stag parties, or even bachelorette parties. Yeah, yeah, the Wednesday night church crowd will squeal about their existence, for sure. But ordinary people are pretty blase about things that are not up in their grille, and drag shows are not going to get much reaction until trannies start tucking & spreading their wares in the noses of kindergarten aged kids. THAT crosses a line that should not have to be explained here or anywhere else, and the groomer epithet is spot on.

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Wokeness in schools is a political tactic that has had some success by over-sensationilizing the curricula. We will see if ithe issue has staying power.

I don't see the utiity of drag shows for kindergarteners (or any minors), we agree there. The state should not sponsor anythng like that, whether at school or in other public space. The state should also not prevent parents from taking their teens to private shows anymore thanit should prevent parents from showing R-rated movies in their own homes.

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Wokeness is a way bigger problem than you allow, but I agree that a parent should be able to take their kids to a private drag show, for whatever reasons they made deem appropriate, on their own time and money. I would go a step further on restrictions, though - government facilities should not be used to hold a drag show. Time and place for that is in the private sector.

Frank Galvin said:

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whiterock said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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yeah, fair question, for which we have an indication of outcome = Virginia. Wokeness in the schools was a big factor in a 9%-swing that brought Youngkin into office. And then the reaction to Bud Lite. While not a particularly outrageous stunt itself, the Mulvaney can finally snapped the boundary tape. And we're seeing more of it. For a reason. The critical mass of the body politic has seen enough.

Re that part in bold: Drag performers are not predators or groomers when they ply their trade in girly bars, burlesque shows, sales convention stag parties, or even bachelorette parties. Yeah, yeah, the Wednesday night church crowd will squeal about their existence, for sure. But ordinary people are pretty blase about things that are not up in their grille, and drag shows are not going to get much reaction until trannies start tucking & spreading their wares in the noses of kindergarten aged kids. THAT crosses a line that should not have to be explained here or anywhere else, and the groomer epithet is spot on.

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...I don't see the utiity of drag shows for kindergarteners (or any minors), we agree there. The state should not sponsor anythng like that, whether at school or in other public space....

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The reason it should never be allowed is not for its lack of "utility". We shouldn't allow it because it grooms children for sexual deviancy. The problem is harm, not a lack of benefit. It's ridiculous to understate it that way.

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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So, how many sterilizations and mutilations of children before the State has an interest?

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The amputation of a leg mutilates a minor's body. Should we outlaw that procedure too?

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Can you give us an example of an instance in which a child's healthy leg is amputated merely because the child doesn't want it anymore?

I'll hang up and listen.

Spoken like a true DEI Chief

Target’s DEI chief Kiera Fernandez: “One of the hardest things to be in the world every day is black” pic.twitter.com/cuMauPJRIL

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) May 31, 2023

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Spoken like a true DEI Chief

Target’s DEI chief Kiera Fernandez: “One of the hardest things to be in the world every day is black” pic.twitter.com/cuMauPJRIL

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) May 31, 2023

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Really must suck to have to perform 50% as well as everyone else and get the same benefits.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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Anybody considering life altering elective surgery to change their natural gender, should at the very least be a legal adult
Since the brain isn't fully formed until the late 20's and it is an unnecessary surgery, age 21 should be the absolute minimum age. Age 21 is the minimum for drinking, that should be the absolute minimum age.

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Disagree. It should be 25. Most people don't reach full puberty maturation until around 25, some even later.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the %A0culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I didn't say it was worse, but that it's now a larger problem. Although, if we're talking about certain drugs and surgeries for adolescents or even younger people, the harm may be just as permanent.

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Why is it a "larger problem"? Sexual assault and other types of abuse of children by the non-trans population is unfortunately widespread.

Edit: as is the sexualization and objectification of women by the hetero population, resulting in a wide variety of problems for girls and women who have not been assaulted.

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Big business and the media aren't trying to normalize sexual abuse of children or calling you a bigot for not supporting it (at least not yet). The Catholic Church isn't doing any of that. What makes trans activism a bigger problem is the fact that it's being aggressively mainstreamed.

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Big business has long (and still today) normalized the objectification of women. The Catholic Church and most other religious instittuions have long tried to normalize a power structure that denies or at least reduces women's natural rights. It is the mainstream.

And the primary deserved criticism of the Catholic Church on the sexual abuse issue is that it did normalize the behavior by accepting it instead of rejecting it.

To the extent trans activism asks that others to be kind to trans people (which is the core lesson that many Christians are apopletic about being taught in school) and to not discriminate against them in the marketplace, there is hardly a parallel.

I draw the line at interference by the government in the parent-child relationship. Neither school counselors (from the liberal side) nor state legislators (from the conservative side) should be guiding a minor's decisions on these issues; that is the job of the parents and the child's medical providers. So, I understand there has been overrreach from some trans activists; that overreach, however is not the horror show the right pretends it to be and that overreach does far less damage than what we have allowed to go on in the name of "normallity."

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That's not what normalizing means, nor is it kindness that's upsetting most Christians. And if you think Catholics deny women's "natural rights," wait till you see where the trans movement leads. If you're paying attention, it's already started.

I respect your consistency in saying neither the schools nor the state should interfere. However, I don't see how that position is tenable if you really believe "gender affirming care" is a form of abuse. If it is, the state would obviously have an interest in preventing it.

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100%. The typical regressive motte and bailey argument that the issue is "being kind" is ludicrous. Travestistites have existed for likely as long as humans have, and by and large folks were as kind to them as anyone. Real, committed transvestites want to live and let live and be left alone and not have attention called to them. However, actual gender dysphoria largely has been replaced by Gaystapo activists putting on Girlface and demanding:
- Men freely use women's restrooms and showers
- Men compete in women's sports
- Experimental mutiliations on children
- Sexualizing children
- Pornograpy in elementary school libraries

So stop acting like it has anythign to do with "kindness" or making the false equivalency that wanting to protect women and children is "anti-trans." It's an immature, emotional fallacy common among the regressive program.

I acknowledge state legislatures getting involved in healh care decisions is not my preferred path, but someone has to protect children from mentally ill parents and politicized medicine. The correlation between the profiles of parents with so-called "trans" kids demonstrates it is not a function of the child but the mentally ill parents seeking attention.

There literally is no evidence than mutiliting children is beneficial for them, and "affirming" mental illness is not standard medical practice - we do not "affirm" anorexia, depression, suicidal thoughts, or (maybe it's changing) morbid obesity. As I noted before, without irony Vanity Fair did a piece on Megan Fox' body dysphoria, and classified it as mental illness. Literally nothing is different with gender dysphoria other than the special interest group.

Even Europe has realized the folly and stopped much of the extreme mutilation on children. There is going to be a rash of likley suicides among those poor children who have been sacrificed to the Gaystapo god and the complicit medical community, and we must protect them. The state regularly intervenes in child abuse cases, and giving a child experimental medications or surgery in response to a parent's metnal illness is the definition of child abuse.

Not to mention standing up for women and the rights they have won over 100 years.

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Kindness would probably start by not comparing those who disagree with you to Nazis. And the idea that society has been kind to transvestites (and gays/esbians) is just laughable.

Why don't you go to med school, do a residency, then a fellowship before explaining medical conditions and appropriate responses.

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Why don't you follow your own advise.

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Data from Bump Williams Consulting and Nielsen IQ provided to Newsweek shows sales by volume are down 29.5% for the week ending May 20 compared to last year. Sales are down 25.7% for revenue compared to the same time window.

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It's encouraging to see those who believe in science and protecting children from pedophiles getting some traction against the groomer extremists.

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Then it is time for them to turn their full attention and market power to the Catholic Church and the many Christian youth camps where predatory conduct is an established tradition.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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Common tactic when one lack's the intellectual ability to make a cogent argument - just distract with whataboutism and red herrings ... the obsession with grooming kids is weird, but they're passionate about it.

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For the past six months the constant drumbeat from the right has been the predatory danger of woke politics and in particular sexualizing children. Drag performers are regularly referred to as predators.One of the two leading candidates for the GOP nomination seems to be basing his enitre campaign on this aspect of the culture war. GOP led legislatures acrtoss the country have made "protecting our children" their number one priority. And you have the gall to say the left has an obsession with grooming? Wow, pot and kettle have had a huge collision.

It is more to fair to ask the Christian right why, if they see the sexualization of and/or predatory conduct directeed at children to be the key issue of the campaign, why do they stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting.

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Good point! We should totally ignore the pedophiles in group A because pedophiles exist in group B, also.

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You are advocating for the same thing and condoning the fact that it has occurred. And somehow convincing yourself that you are clever.

Where is the bigger danger for a ten-year old boy: attending a drag show or serving as an altar boy?

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Child abuse is no more prevalent in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. It attracts more attention for a few reasons: 1) the Catholic hierarchy is better equipped to address the problem than other churches or even most schools, yet for many years it failed to do so; 2) people resent the Church's fidelity to sound moral teaching; and 3) whataboutism is an extremely easy debate tactic.

Normalizing gender dysphoria and indoctrinating a whole generation with trans ideology has become the larger problem, by far.

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Beg to differ. The thought that normalizing another person's behavior is worse than actual trauma inflicted on a person does not make sense to me. How is saying "its ok for that man to become, or act like, a woman" worse than actual sexual assault of a child?

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I don't "stand silent in the face of regular, repeated, and wide-spread abuse on children and women in the church setting." My church has very robust child protection policies that serve both to protect children and the adults who interact with them in ministry. If we did not, I would not volunteer to work with kids. If and when something terrible happens, it will be dealt with appropriately at all levels.

I don't think you actually understand the implications of what you are saying. Normalizing the idea that a man can actually be a woman or that a woman can actually be a man involves promoting both drugging these children and surgical mutilation to go along with their delusions. We know that the vast majority (percentages in the high 90s) of individuals who experience gender dysphoria emerge from that experience with the gender they feel they are matching what their bodies show that they actually are. By short circuiting that process, many of these children will be irreparably and greatly physically and psychologically harmed.

This is abuse, just like pedophiles in the church may abuse children. You don't have to pick one or the other of these terribly abusive situations to condemn. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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It's not about walking and chewing gum, Jinx or whomever this is, underlying agenda of condemning christians, and condeming hetrosexual men, no matter what they do or don't do is the real agenda.

The christian ministers that abused children, and you would have to be really sure about this, but the ones that really do, should first have their balls cut off, then thrown in prison for at least 20 years, at least 20.

Guys or gals that struggle with gender dysphoria need mental help, this new transgenger push will have them be mutilated before they can get the real clinical help they need.

But, don't be fooled by this "new" guy, they aren't looking for dialog, they are looking down their noses with condemnation to anybody that disagrees with them.

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You are quite the mind reader, knowning how the terrible "they" are looking down their nose at you. Part of our problem with the absence of civil discourse is the need to ascribe ill motives to everyone who disagrees with us.

Is it not possible that most of the folks who want medical options are just people doing their best to resolve problems you and I do not fully understand?

And for the record, the walk and chew gum metaphor was yours, not mine.

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Gender bending dissolves categories, especially fundamental ones. Culture is a structure of category and our culture will dissolve if we don't have a bedrock of agreement.

We're dealing with a social contagion: it meets all of the criteria for that definition. Quite literally a pathological outbreak. The statistical increase in young people claiming to be trans is astronomical and impossibly natural.

If our culture is pathologized, our socialization will be too.

10-20 years from now we will have countless people who are flooded with disease and cancer from prepubescent hormone treatment. They will be VERY ANGRY.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

" Gender bending dissolves categories, especially fundamental ones. Culture is a structure of category and our culture will "
Really? Prove it

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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And what you are engaging is heresy. Scripture clearly labels it as sin. Nowhere in the bible will you find scriptural support for homosexuality and transgenderism. Nowhere. In every instance, it is described as evil and sinful.

You continue to twist the word of God to suit your evil agenda, heretic.

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Categories are cognitive and linguistic models for applying prior knowledge; creating and using categories are essential human activities. Categories enable us to relate things to each other in terms of similarity and dissimilarity and are involved whenever we perceive, communicate, analyze, predict, or classify. Without categories, we would perceive the world as an unorganized blur of things with no understandable or memorable relation to each other.

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There's no limit on what one can identify within this new age of leftist driven gender "theory" hypotheses. Many are also claiming to change from one identity to the next from day to day.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Neither is pedophilia according to you. Your deity is Molech, and you sacrifice children to your regressive religion. If you cannot abort them, you want to mutiliate and groom them.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Is bigotry fluid?

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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Bigotry is a sin.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Whoa, I agree that term will never create anything but a divisivness.

But, you are wrong about it not being a sin.

To gossip is a sin.
To covet is a sin.
To lie is a sin.
Having "haughty eyes" is a sin, because God hates it. He hates it because it shows pride.
These simple things that almost everybody does is sin.
For a man to lie with a man, like he would with a woman, is a sin.

Why are you trying to make this more complex than it is.

We all sinned yesterday, we all will sin today, we will all sin tomorrow. We all sin.

You simply can't have a special category of sin, that you claim is
not sin. It doesn't work that way.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Yes. "Bigotry" is whatever regressives disagree with.

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Abusing children is sin, and it is not "bigotry" to oppose both lying to those children about the reality of their situation and mutilating those same children. We know that in the high 90 percent range, that those with gender dysphoria resolve to the place where their perception and biological fact match. Promoting the idea that a child with gender dysphoria is actually not what they biologically are is not in the best interest of the child. It would be better for you to have a millstone placed around your neck and be cast into the sea. Pushing these lies as you are doing is both sinful and, if you were a professional, ethically reprehensible. It is not the first time that people have called sin good and thought that horribly unethical behavior was acceptable, and it will not be that last time.

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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Bigotry is a sin.

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Nope, it is bigotry and homophobic to use that term and to call it a "sin." It is not.

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Whoa, I agree that term will never create anything but a divisivness.

But, you are wrong about it not being a sin.

To gossip is a sin.
To covet is a sin.
To lie is a sin.
Having "haughty eyes" is a sin, because God hates it. He hates it because it shows pride.
These simple things that almost everybody does is sin.
For a man to lie with a man, like he would with a woman, is a sin.

Why are you trying to make this more complex than it is.

We all sinned yesterday, we all will sin today, we will all sin tomorrow. We all sin.

You simply can't have a special category of sin, that you claim is
not sin. It doesn't work that way.

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Society doesn't tell God what offends Him.

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Waco1947 said:

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These boycotts are bigotry pure and simple.

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And, your point is?

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Bigotry is a sin.

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So is butt ****ing.

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male/female couple too? Asking for a friend!