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Screw this. To Hell with DeSantis and Tim Scott. Both are good men but only Trump can clean up this corruption that has taken over Washington, D.C. and rescue our Republic. Still do not like Trump as a person, but I am all in. The DOJ has convinced me to change my vote in the 2024 Presidential Election. Enough.

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You really think Trump is person to clean up DC? It got worse with him in the mix, Nation has never been as divided. He needs to go back to TV or this won't end.

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Seems you're a socialist Obama Biden type voter

What specifics did you dislike about Trump's policies that makes you dislike him so much?

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Love it, if I don't agree with you on Trump, I am a Socialist!

Trumps policies were not special, nor where they all his. I don't get why the "die on the hill" mentality for this clown. Read a little about Trump and his life in NY before he went to TV. The guy was the biggest Obama Dem there was. He is no conservative, unless he can make a buck at it.

That said, he was a better choice than Hilary or Biden in 2016 &2020. But, time for him to go away, he is not the same guy from 2016 and definitely different than his whole life as a Dem at the 1970s Studio 54 Trump. If he runs and wins, it will be 4 more years of the same BS. We can't survive that with China. He is not the answer.

By the way, I think HRC and Biden should be prosecuted too. All three broke the law and need to be held accountable. I would go Haley, Pompeo, Scott, DeSantis and even Christie over Trump. Trump is poison.

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I've still never gotten an answer from anyone that hates Trump about what they dislike about his policies

I definitely won't die on a hill for Trump. He's not a do nothing corrupt loser like Obama or Biden who severely hurt and are hurting the country but yes if one votes for those racist losers, they are in fact supporting socialism and as my white friends would say "how can any white guy vote Democrat?"

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I'm just curious, do you know anyone who hates Trump? Like who was it you asked.

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There several Examples in this very thread with betas emoting

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My experience is that Alpha's don't last. They push as bullies until they force those they are bullying to use overwhelming force or any means possible. Good example here, read a news story an ex-NAVY seal that got killed here a couple of years ago. Got into an altercation after a few drinks, guy who shot him in the restaurant said "what else was I supposed to do just let him beat me to death?"...

Learned the Alpha's don't last lesson at the JFK at Ft Bragg in 87, from a hand-to-hand instructor. The lesson I saw was outside the Flaming Mug bar, as a mild-mannered SF beta type, caved in a guys knee and walked away after being pushed and pushed. There is value in trying to reach compromise. The there can be only one doesn't end up well for the other 99.9%

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You have a misconstrued definition of alpha based on the examples you cite

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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100% disagree. Anyone who did what Trump appears to have done during an FBI investigation is charged and does real time. Again, I've not seen, heard, nor talked to one attorney who argues otherwise. Others from both parties have been charged for a lot less - Berger, Petraeus and countless others.

I despise Hillary, but Comey did likely cost her the election with his press conference. But, regardless, the allegations against her came nowhere close to the allegations against Trump: (1) no willful element, (2) no obstruction of FBI investigation, (3) no telling own attorneys to destroy, (4) no purposefully showing some of the most highly sensitive intel to others, and (5) the level of intel on a scale of 1-10 was a 1, while Trump's was a 10 (highly sensitive defense and nuclear intel).

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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Trump brought this on himself. No one else to blame.

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Strange how Biden isn't facing similar similiar charges .

Really believe if Obama had held the exact same documents at his house, this current Democratic administration would have filed similar charges ?

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Hypothetical question there is no answer for.

The difference in Biden/Pence and Trump is blatant obstruction, and refusal to turn over classified documents that he knew were in his possession.

The better question is would Trump have been indicted at all if he had cooperated the way Biden/Pence did? I think the answer is no.

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You are avoiding the answer to my question because the answer is obvious.

There is zero chance Biden would do to Obama what he is doing to Trump.

We are a banana republic.

The only 'special' aspect remaining about the US is our nuclear weapons.
Specifically those of dozens 'boomer' submarines prowling throughout the world's oceans .

Virtually undectable and each armed with over 50 nuclear warheads.

Now under the command of an 80 year old dementia and the puppet masters who control him.




Fun times.

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Somebody is rotten to the core.

Though there is no amount of evidence that will convince you as to who that somebody is.

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Indeed. But thats completely irrelevant to the separate question of whether this is tantamount to a political prosecution. That should concern all Americans, regardless of what type of individual the person is.

In line with his ******y behavior, Trump didn't turn over the docs immediately like Biden and Pence. But does that really make his behavior criminal while Biden's is not? Seems like they're reaching here.

Is this really that much worse than HRC's secret email server, and the destruction of documents included on that server? I don't think so. Yet HRC skated and Trump was indicted.

I suspect all this does is strengthen Trump and backfire on the Biden admin. I can't stand Trump, but political prosecutions are for banana republics not America.

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This indictment serves two purposes for the Democrats (and for all intents and purposes, the DOJ/FBI are de facto Democrats):

1, The timing allows Democrats to downplay the release of the document which appears to confirm Joe Biden took a $5 million dollar bribe while a Senator;

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2. It drives Republican voters to commit to supporting Trump as the GOP nominee. The Democrats believe they have an easier time against Trump than DeSantis (true) , but if the GOP allows the jackboot tactics employed here to go unopposed their voters would reject whatever nominee they select.


In the end, good people will get hurt and our nation with them.

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Isnt the Director of the FBI a lifelong Republican and Trump appointee?

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In the entire history of the FBI, it has literally never had permanent Democrat leader. At one point for period of months in the 90s it had a Dem as interim Director, but that's it.

All this talk about FBI/CIA being made up of liberals is just a coping mechanism, nothing more. They will believe anything else rather than admit to what is right in front of them: they got in bed with conmen, thieves, and traitors to obtain political power and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

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The Hillary case was exactly what I was alluding to. "Buttery males"="but-her-e-mails". Comey was quite clear in his justification presser that they could not establish intentionality or willful acts in defiance of the law, so even if not an actual statutory element, that's where the bar was set. He probably set it there thinking there was no way someone would be stupid enough to ever reach it, but that was the pre-Trump era.

Again, if just storing the info off site was prosecutable, that would be some bad news for Ivanka and Jared, but that's not even close to what happened here (meaning the Trump admin did in fact benefit from the "Hillary precedent"). They have Trump's dumb ass on tape bragging the he kept things he knew he wasn't supposed to (i.e. a corrupt purpose) and was deliberately concealing them from DoJ after a subpoena...what choice does law enforcement have at that point?

I didn't love that Hillary got a pass, so much so that I did not vote for her (you still voted for Trump and would again as I recall, like a good little partisan), but Trump's conduct is so far beyond and more egregious than what she (or anyone else really) did. There has to be a line somewhere, DoJ has decided it lies at the point of deliberate and willful misconduct (for public figures anyway, Reality Winner shows that the bar is a little lower for the rest of us) and I am at peace with that.

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You're significantly down-playing HRC's conduct. The criminal intent element was not the mere fact she stored classified information off site. If that were the standard then Biden would likewise be prosecuted.

Instead, it was the fact she set up a private server outside of govt. oversight to send classified information, and then deliberately destroyed most of the evidence of her misconduct. The intent element could be inferred from that conduct, as Comey himself later said in his memoir. Interestingly, he also admitted that his decision not to prosecute was in part based on the fact she was the democrat presidential candidate.

I'm not defending Trump. I think he's despicable and that his conduct was in line with his behavior. But let's not pretend HRC's conduct was all that different legally. There's a clear double standard here that you're conveniently ignoring.

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A strong majority of experts agreed with Comey that Hillary's case was a close call, and most former prosecutors agreed they would not have charged her based on the available facts. Some disagreed. My pro-Trump law contacts agreed with Comey and said if you charge Hillary, you'd have to charge hundreds or even thousands from both parties.

I'm just surprised more folks don't recall that the Repubs - led by Grassley - continued to investigate the Hillary mess for 3 years into the Trump administration and found no wrongdoing.

But, regardless, there is no way to get around the fact that what Trump allegedly did is at an entirely differently level in multiple respects. I'm sure we can dig something up on twitter but I've not read, heard, or talked to one attorney who has argued with a straight face that others would not be charged for these same crimes. Even legal experts who have defended Trump from day one say this is much different.

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I don't know. I'm not sure how different it is. I haven't seen any evidence that he tried to use the information for nefarious purposes. It seems he was extremely careless and flippant in sharing some of the information. His worst offense may have been his response to the subpoena, if he encouraged people to lie in response. We will see, but I don't see it as markedly different than HRC.

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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Trump brought this on himself. No one else to blame.

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While it might be true Trump brought this on himself, even a Trump hater such as yourself should have a problem with the unequal application of the law, and the precedent this kind of political prosecution sets.

I think in some of you Never Trumper's zeal to destroy the guy, you miss the forest through the trees, and fail to consider the larger implications. You can't see past your hatred.

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On the contrary, I'm all for equal application. There is a distinction between Trump and Biden/Pence. I don't see much of one for HRC. Failure to prosecute one is no excuse for failure to prosecute another over obstruction. We don't live in a perfect world unfortunately. If there isn't a limitations issue, I'm all for going after HRC today. We continue down a slippery slope, if we ignore Trump.

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We agree here.

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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100% disagree. Anyone who did what Trump appears to have done during an FBI investigation is charged and does real time. Again, I've not seen, heard, nor talked to one attorney who argues otherwise. Others from both parties have been charged for a lot less - Berger, Petraeus and countless others.

I despise Hillary, but Comey did likely cost her the election with his press conference. But, regardless, the allegations against her came nowhere close to the allegations against Trump: (1) no willful element, (2) no obstruction of FBI investigation, (3) no telling own attorneys to destroy, (4) no purposefully showing some of the most highly sensitive intel to others, and (5) the level of intel on a scale of 1-10 was a 1, while Trump's was a 10 (highly sensitive defense and nuclear intel).

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BS. HRC destroyed subpoenaed evidence. DESTROYED IT! Told her staff to use hammers for crying out loud.

Trump is going to die in prison. The message this sends to the public and world is to not **** with the DC establishment.

If you think Trump should go to prison over this then you need to support prison for those who carried out crossfire hurricane.

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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100% disagree. Anyone who did what Trump appears to have done during an FBI investigation is charged and does real time. Again, I've not seen, heard, nor talked to one attorney who argues otherwise. Others from both parties have been charged for a lot less - Berger, Petraeus and countless others.

I despise Hillary, but Comey did likely cost her the election with his press conference. But, regardless, the allegations against her came nowhere close to the allegations against Trump: (1) no willful element, (2) no obstruction of FBI investigation, (3) no telling own attorneys to destroy, (4) no purposefully showing some of the most highly sensitive intel to others, and (5) the level of intel on a scale of 1-10 was a 1, while Trump's was a 10 (highly sensitive defense and nuclear intel).

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I invested 30 seconds googling and found interviews with 4 attorneys whose names I know stating regarding the charges:

Weak
Unprecedented absurd
Politically motivated
Doesn't even rise to a Nixon level (which is know as weak)

A couple are known democrats. The others, unsure kf political Affiliation

The way you state it, it is interesting that such esteemed lawyers would go on the record in a case you suggest is tantamount to Benedict Arnold / Quisling type offense

Now the nation should trust the people that screamed and weeped Russia, peepeegate, Putin and Facebook posts for Trump Elected for 4+ years?

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Screw this. To Hell with DeSantis and Tim Scott. Both are good men but only Trump can clean up this corruption that has taken over Washington, D.C. and rescue our Republic. Still do not like Trump as a person, but I am all in. The DOJ has convinced me to change my vote in the 2024 Presidential Election. Enough.

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You really think Trump is person to clean up DC? It got worse with him in the mix, Nation has never been as divided. He needs to go back to TV or this won't end.

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Seems you're a socialist Obama Biden type voter

What specifics did you dislike about Trump's policies that makes you dislike him so much?

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Love it, if I don't agree with you on Trump, I am a Socialist!

Trumps policies were not special, nor where they all his. I don't get why the "die on the hill" mentality for this clown. Read a little about Trump and his life in NY before he went to TV. The guy was the biggest Obama Dem there was. He is no conservative, unless he can make a buck at it.

That said, he was a better choice than Hilary or Biden in 2016 &2020. But, time for him to go away, he is not the same guy from 2016 and definitely different than his whole life as a Dem at the 1970s Studio 54 Trump. If he runs and wins, it will be 4 more years of the same BS. We can't survive that with China. He is not the answer.

By the way, I think HRC and Biden should be prosecuted too. All three broke the law and need to be held accountable. I would go Haley, Pompeo, Scott, DeSantis and even Christie over Trump. Trump is poison.

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I've still never gotten an answer from anyone that hates Trump about what they dislike about his policies

I definitely won't die on a hill for Trump. He's not a do nothing corrupt loser like Obama or Biden who severely hurt and are hurting the country but yes if one votes for those racist losers, they are in fact supporting socialism and as my white friends would say "how can any white guy vote Democrat?"

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I'm just curious, do you know anyone who hates Trump? Like who was it you asked.

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There several Examples in this very thread with betas emoting

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My experience is that Alpha's don't last. They push as bullies until they force those they are bullying to use overwhelming force or any means possible. Good example here, read a news story an ex-NAVY seal that got killed here a couple of years ago. Got into an altercation after a few drinks, guy who shot him in the restaurant said "what else was I supposed to do just let him beat me to death?"...

Learned the Alpha's don't last lesson at the JFK at Ft Bragg in 87, from a hand-to-hand instructor. The lesson I saw was outside the Flaming Mug bar, as a mild-mannered SF beta type, caved in a guys knee and walked away after being pushed and pushed. There is value in trying to reach compromise. The there can be only one doesn't end up well for the other 99.9%

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You have a misconstrued definition of alpha based on the examples you cite

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Please what is your definition? I am using the Oxford Dictionary.

Definition of alpha male noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
alpha male

[ol]

[usually singular] the man or male animal in a particular group who has the most power

[url=https://elt.oup.com/catalogue/items/global/grammar_vocabulary/practical_english_usage_4th_edition/9780194202510?utm_source=old-site&utm_medium=content-link&utm_campaign=old-content-links][/url]

a man who tends to take control in social and professional situations

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I also know that was the term used in the hand-to-hand courses I had, - "remember alpha males have short life spans..."

In addition, based on you comment about Beta's and emotions.

Sorry, if I mis-read your intent.

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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100% disagree. Anyone who did what Trump appears to have done during an FBI investigation is charged and does real time. Again, I've not seen, heard, nor talked to one attorney who argues otherwise. Others from both parties have been charged for a lot less - Berger, Petraeus and countless others.

I despise Hillary, but Comey did likely cost her the election with his press conference. But, regardless, the allegations against her came nowhere close to the allegations against Trump: (1) no willful element, (2) no obstruction of FBI investigation, (3) no telling own attorneys to destroy, (4) no purposefully showing some of the most highly sensitive intel to others, and (5) the level of intel on a scale of 1-10 was a 1, while Trump's was a 10 (highly sensitive defense and nuclear intel).

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BS. HRC destroyed subpoenaed evidence. DESTROYED IT! Told her staff to use hammers for crying out loud.

Trump is going to die in prison. The message this sends to the public and world is to not **** with the DC establishment.

If you think Trump should go to prison over this then you need to support prison for those who carried out crossfire hurricane.

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I don't disagree. I thought Peter Stzrock and company were tried?

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You want to know why some of us don't vote for the other guys? Because we know they have no principles and they're willing to act recklessly with impunity. So when our own guy who constantly acted recklessly with impunity is now in trouble for his actions the defense is, "well the other guys have been doing it or worse and nothing happened"! We already knew this all along. Why the hell do you think we don't support them? But for some of you the answer is to double down on our guy who's acting in the similar manner as them?? How about some integrity and be opposed to both? No matter how much you love your dog, if they have fleas and you let it go, eventually you're going to get them.

Work the problem, not the person.

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Nice speech.

But at the end of the day, if you allow the Democrats to use the courts as a weapon against Trump, you know damn well they won't stop with him.

They will go after DeSantis if he wins the nomination just the same as they trashed Romney in 2012, lying that he did not pay his taxes.

They will go after Scott if he wins the nomination just the same as they attacked Judge (now Justice) Kavanaugh with false rape allegations.

Long before Trump ever ran for President, Obama weaponized the IRS to target and attack Conservative groups, and in so doing dismantled a lot of groups who could and should have played a proper role in the 2012 and 2014 elections.

The problem is that the Democrats have created a weapon that threatens the very foundation of our nation.

The choice is whether you allow that corruption to grow even stronger, just because you cannot stand to protect Trump from that corrupted power.

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Yet instead of dealing with the matters that I concur are at issue, we gave them an easy target and someone acting just like them. The problem with Trump is that while they never gave quarter to Republicans, nor will they in the future, we didn't give them anything substantive to support their claims and they looked like the idiots they are. We lost that with Trump. You don't fight corruption with corruption.

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Nice rant.

Pays absolutely no attention to what I just said.

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Addressed it directly. The threat the Democrats have always posed is their blatant abuse of power. The fact our guy didn't get away with it and they did/have thus far is only a symptom. If we argue our guy should get away with it because of the former we're no different than them.

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No, you did not address the problem, You decided to let the Democrats get away with their abuse, because defending Trump is unacceptable to you.

You don't want Trump to be the nominee, so you are going along with this outrageous abuse of power.

Ergo, you have endorsed their corruption and become one of them.

Trump at his worst was far better than Biden or Obama, and you know that.

Have you looked at the specific charges? Compared them with the known facts?

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Screw this. To Hell with DeSantis and Tim Scott. Both are good men but only Trump can clean up this corruption that has taken over Washington, D.C. and rescue our Republic. Still do not like Trump as a person, but I am all in. The DOJ has convinced me to change my vote in the 2024 Presidential Election. Enough.

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You really think Trump is person to clean up DC? It got worse with him in the mix, Nation has never been as divided. He needs to go back to TV or this won't end.

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Seems you're a socialist Obama Biden type voter

What specifics did you dislike about Trump's policies that makes you dislike him so much?

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Love it, if I don't agree with you on Trump, I am a Socialist!

Trumps policies were not special, nor where they all his. I don't get why the "die on the hill" mentality for this clown. Read a little about Trump and his life in NY before he went to TV. The guy was the biggest Obama Dem there was. He is no conservative, unless he can make a buck at it.

That said, he was a better choice than Hilary or Biden in 2016 &2020. But, time for him to go away, he is not the same guy from 2016 and definitely different than his whole life as a Dem at the 1970s Studio 54 Trump. If he runs and wins, it will be 4 more years of the same BS. We can't survive that with China. He is not the answer.

By the way, I think HRC and Biden should be prosecuted too. All three broke the law and need to be held accountable. I would go Haley, Pompeo, Scott, DeSantis and even Christie over Trump. Trump is poison.

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I've still never gotten an answer from anyone that hates Trump about what they dislike about his policies

I definitely won't die on a hill for Trump. He's not a do nothing corrupt loser like Obama or Biden who severely hurt and are hurting the country but yes if one votes for those racist losers, they are in fact supporting socialism and as my white friends would say "how can any white guy vote Democrat?"

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I'm just curious, do you know anyone who hates Trump? Like who was it you asked.

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There several Examples in this very thread with betas emoting

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My experience is that Alpha's don't last. They push as bullies until they force those they are bullying to use overwhelming force or any means possible. Good example here, read a news story an ex-NAVY seal that got killed here a couple of years ago. Got into an altercation after a few drinks, guy who shot him in the restaurant said "what else was I supposed to do just let him beat me to death?"...

Learned the Alpha's don't last lesson at the JFK at Ft Bragg in 87, from a hand-to-hand instructor. The lesson I saw was outside the Flaming Mug bar, as a mild-mannered SF beta type, caved in a guys knee and walked away after being pushed and pushed. There is value in trying to reach compromise. The there can be only one doesn't end up well for the other 99.9%

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You have a misconstrued definition of alpha based on the examples you cite

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Please what is your definition? I am using the Oxford Dictionary.

Definition of alpha male noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
alpha male

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[usually singular] the man or male animal in a particular group who has the most power

[url=https://elt.oup.com/catalogue/items/global/grammar_vocabulary/practical_english_usage_4th_edition/9780194202510?utm_source=old-site&utm_medium=content-link&utm_campaign=old-content-links][/url]

a man who tends to take control in social and professional situations

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I also know that was the term used in the hand-to-hand courses I had, - "remember alpha males have short life spans..."

In addition, based on you comment about Beta's and emotions.

Sorry, if I mis-read your intent.

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Interesting. Sounds like youre conflating dumb asses with potentially dangerous, capable men who are civilized.

The weak betas are the ones weeded out first. It's how humanity survives and one can't fight nature

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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100% disagree. Anyone who did what Trump appears to have done during an FBI investigation is charged and does real time. Again, I've not seen, heard, nor talked to one attorney who argues otherwise. Others from both parties have been charged for a lot less - Berger, Petraeus and countless others.

I despise Hillary, but Comey did likely cost her the election with his press conference. But, regardless, the allegations against her came nowhere close to the allegations against Trump: (1) no willful element, (2) no obstruction of FBI investigation, (3) no telling own attorneys to destroy, (4) no purposefully showing some of the most highly sensitive intel to others, and (5) the level of intel on a scale of 1-10 was a 1, while Trump's was a 10 (highly sensitive defense and nuclear intel).

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BS. HRC destroyed subpoenaed evidence. DESTROYED IT! Told her staff to use hammers for crying out loud.

Trump is going to die in prison. The message this sends to the public and world is to not **** with the DC establishment.

If you think Trump should go to prison over this then you need to support prison for those who carried out crossfire hurricane.

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I don't disagree. I thought Peter Stzrock and company were tried?

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Nope

Have you read the specific charges?

Do you understand who has the relevant authority in matters of Presidential Records?

Calling Trump "guilty" at this point is premature at best, and demonstrates the same garbage bias we have seen in all these threads.

And since I suspect I need to be clear, defending Trump on these charges is not at all the same thing as endorsing Trump for 2024. But throwing him under the bus does demonstrate that you are cool with abuse of power as long as you hate the target.

Yep. I was interviewed in DC. And *before I left the courthouse* they had leaked their Grand Jury questions to me to CNN.

Joe Biden is trying to lock up his political opponent. https://t.co/3LessRIuVd

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) June 9, 2023

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Yep. I was interviewed in DC. And *before I left the courthouse* they had leaked their Grand Jury questions to me to CNN.

Joe Biden is trying to lock up his political opponent. https://t.co/3LessRIuVd

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) June 9, 2023

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It's interesting. 99% of lawyers vote Democrat. It pays their bills. They are probably 60/40 R to D but vote or tell their associates they vote D. All lawyers in here will confirm that if honest like Joe Biden

I wonder how they excuse away things like this so they can nail trump For giving the nuke secrets to Putin

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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I've read the indictment. You're delusional. Get familiar with Waltine.

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Yep. I was interviewed in DC. And *before I left the courthouse* they had leaked their Grand Jury questions to me to CNN.

Joe Biden is trying to lock up his political opponent. https://t.co/3LessRIuVd

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) June 9, 2023

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It's interesting. 99% of lawyers vote Democrat. It pays their bills. They are probably 60/40 R to D but vote or tell their associates they vote D. All lawyers in here will confirm that if honest like Joe Biden

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Link?

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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100% disagree. Anyone who did what Trump appears to have done during an FBI investigation is charged and does real time. Again, I've not seen, heard, nor talked to one attorney who argues otherwise. Others from both parties have been charged for a lot less - Berger, Petraeus and countless others.

I despise Hillary, but Comey did likely cost her the election with his press conference. But, regardless, the allegations against her came nowhere close to the allegations against Trump: (1) no willful element, (2) no obstruction of FBI investigation, (3) no telling own attorneys to destroy, (4) no purposefully showing some of the most highly sensitive intel to others, and (5) the level of intel on a scale of 1-10 was a 1, while Trump's was a 10 (highly sensitive defense and nuclear intel).

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I invested 30 seconds googling and found interviews with 4 attorneys whose names I know stating regarding the charges:

Weak
Unprecedented absurd
Politically motivated
Doesn't even rise to a Nixon level (which is know as weak)

A couple are known democrats. The others, unsure kf political Affiliation

The way you state it, it is interesting that such esteemed lawyers would go on the record in a case you suggest is tantamount to Benedict Arnold / Quisling type offense

Now the nation should trust the people that screamed and weeped Russia, peepeegate, Putin and Facebook posts for Trump Elected for 4+ years?

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Please cite those attorneys

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Have you read the specific charges?

Do you understand who has the relevant authority in matters of Presidential Records?

Calling Trump "guilty" at this point is premature at best, and demonstrates the same garbage bias we have seen in all these threads.

And since I suspect I need to be clear, defending Trump on these charges is not at all the same thing as endorsing Trump for 2024. But throwing him under the bus does demonstrate that you are cool with abuse of power as long as you hate the target.

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Will bet he either settles or is convicted. No way he is acquited of 37 charges. All I want y bet is you saying I was right... You are right, I have no problem saying you called it.

I laid out why I think he is toast on this one. Him tweeting asking for help, indicates to me I am on right track.

By the way, I suspect whether you endorse him or not is going to be moot when this plays out...

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Have you read the specific charges?

Do you understand who has the relevant authority in matters of Presidential Records?

Calling Trump "guilty" at this point is premature at best, and demonstrates the same garbage bias we have seen in all these threads.

And since I suspect I need to be clear, defending Trump on these charges is not at all the same thing as endorsing Trump for 2024. But throwing him under the bus does demonstrate that you are cool with abuse of power as long as you hate the target.

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Will bet he either settles or is convicted. No way he is acquited of 37 charges. All I want y bet is you saying I was right... You are right, I have no problem saying you called it.

I laid out why I think he is toast on this one. Him tweeting asking for help, indicates to me I am on right track.

By the way, I suspect whether you endorse him or not is going to be moot when this plays out...

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Hes always on the grift asking for peoples help and Money, for someone who likes to position himself as the Alphas Alpha, he sure does need other peoples help a lot

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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I've read the indictment. You're delusional. Get familiar with Waltine.

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I wonder what the Libertarian position is on a sitting President having his top political rival indicted for mishandling documents? A sitting President that is in possession of classified documents from when he was a Senator and Vice President? Please ask one and get back to me.

I meant what I said.

— Kari Lake (@KariLake) June 10, 2023

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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I've read the indictment. You're delusional. Get familiar with Waltine.

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I wonder what the Libertarian position is on a sitting President having his top political rival indicted for mishandling documents? A sitting President that is in possession of classified documents from when he was a Senator and Vice President? Please ask one and get back to me.

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Well, Trump , while President, did everything possible to take down Biden, including conditioning foreign aide on help investigating him.

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I meant what I said.

— Kari Lake (@KariLake) June 10, 2023

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as with most people, shes all talk

Kid Rock to Tucker Carlson: "We're looking at maps and shit. I'm like, you know, I'm like, 'Am I supposed to be like, in on this shit?'" https://t.co/4RRWUQkcqO https://t.co/KgIp698j7M pic.twitter.com/xJuk9l2x3J

— Love your neighbor (@loveisphere) April 13, 2023

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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I've read the indictment. You're delusional. Get familiar with Waltine.

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I wonder what the Libertarian position is on a sitting President having his top political rival indicted for mishandling documents? A sitting President that is in possession of classified documents from when he was a Senator and Vice President? Please ask one and get back to me.

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Well, Trump , while President, did everything possible to take down Biden, including conditioning foreign aide on help investigating him.

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When Trump was President, Biden was as insignificant as a pimple on an elephant's ass. Unfortunately, that's how most world leaders perceive Biden as President. Sad.

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Screw this. To Hell with DeSantis and Tim Scott. Both are good men but only Trump can clean up this corruption that has taken over Washington, D.C. and rescue our Republic. Still do not like Trump as a person, but I am all in. The DOJ has convinced me to change my vote in the 2024 Presidential Election. Enough.

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You really think Trump is person to clean up DC? It got worse with him in the mix, Nation has never been as divided. He needs to go back to TV or this won't end.

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Seems you're a socialist Obama Biden type voter

What specifics did you dislike about Trump's policies that makes you dislike him so much?

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Love it, if I don't agree with you on Trump, I am a Socialist!

Trumps policies were not special, nor where they all his. I don't get why the "die on the hill" mentality for this clown. Read a little about Trump and his life in NY before he went to TV. The guy was the biggest Obama Dem there was. He is no conservative, unless he can make a buck at it.

That said, he was a better choice than Hilary or Biden in 2016 &2020. But, time for him to go away, he is not the same guy from 2016 and definitely different than his whole life as a Dem at the 1970s Studio 54 Trump. If he runs and wins, it will be 4 more years of the same BS. We can't survive that with China. He is not the answer.

By the way, I think HRC and Biden should be prosecuted too. All three broke the law and need to be held accountable. I would go Haley, Pompeo, Scott, DeSantis and even Christie over Trump. Trump is poison.

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I've still never gotten an answer from anyone that hates Trump about what they dislike about his policies

I definitely won't die on a hill for Trump. He's not a do nothing corrupt loser like Obama or Biden who severely hurt and are hurting the country but yes if one votes for those racist losers, they are in fact supporting socialism and as my white friends would say "how can any white guy vote Democrat?"

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I'm just curious, do you know anyone who hates Trump? Like who was it you asked.

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There several Examples in this very thread with betas emoting

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My experience is that Alpha's don't last. They push as bullies until they force those they are bullying to use overwhelming force or any means possible. Good example here, read a news story an ex-NAVY seal that got killed here a couple of years ago. Got into an altercation after a few drinks, guy who shot him in the restaurant said "what else was I supposed to do just let him beat me to death?"...

Learned the Alpha's don't last lesson at the JFK at Ft Bragg in 87, from a hand-to-hand instructor. The lesson I saw was outside the Flaming Mug bar, as a mild-mannered SF beta type, caved in a guys knee and walked away after being pushed and pushed. There is value in trying to reach compromise. The there can be only one doesn't end up well for the other 99.9%

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You have a misconstrued definition of alpha based on the examples you cite

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Please what is your definition? I am using the Oxford Dictionary.

Definition of alpha male noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
alpha male

[ol]

[usually singular] the man or male animal in a particular group who has the most power

[url=https://elt.oup.com/catalogue/items/global/grammar_vocabulary/practical_english_usage_4th_edition/9780194202510?utm_source=old-site&utm_medium=content-link&utm_campaign=old-content-links][/url]

a man who tends to take control in social and professional situations

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I also know that was the term used in the hand-to-hand courses I had, - "remember alpha males have short life spans..."

In addition, based on you comment about Beta's and emotions.

Sorry, if I mis-read your intent.

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Interesting. Sounds like youre conflating dumb asses with potentially dangerous, capable men who are civilized.

The weak betas are the ones weeded out first. It's how humanity survives and one can't fight nature

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Don't disagree. Tech has changed the rules somewhat. In my experience Alphas have trouble with that concept. They also have trouble with the concept that not everything is a zero sum game.

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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What you're missing is Obama, Biden, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Pence, nor anyone else has done this.

A better hypothetical is if you or me did this, how many chances would the government have given us to return the files? We'd be 18 months in jail either awaiting trial or 18 months into a sentence.

There is a double standard here but it's not the way conservatives are portraying it.

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You want to know why some of us don't vote for the other guys? Because we know they have no principles and they're willing to act recklessly with impunity. So when our own guy who constantly acted recklessly with impunity is now in trouble for his actions the defense is, "well the other guys have been doing it or worse and nothing happened"! We already knew this all along. Why the hell do you think we don't support them? But for some of you the answer is to double down on our guy who's acting in the similar manner as them?? How about some integrity and be opposed to both? No matter how much you love your dog, if they have fleas and you let it go, eventually you're going to get them.

Work the problem, not the person.

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Nice speech.

But at the end of the day, if you allow the Democrats to use the courts as a weapon against Trump, you know damn well they won't stop with him.

They will go after DeSantis if he wins the nomination just the same as they trashed Romney in 2012, lying that he did not pay his taxes.

They will go after Scott if he wins the nomination just the same as they attacked Judge (now Justice) Kavanaugh with false rape allegations.

Long before Trump ever ran for President, Obama weaponized the IRS to target and attack Conservative groups, and in so doing dismantled a lot of groups who could and should have played a proper role in the 2012 and 2014 elections.

The problem is that the Democrats have created a weapon that threatens the very foundation of our nation.

The choice is whether you allow that corruption to grow even stronger, just because you cannot stand to protect Trump from that corrupted power.

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Yet instead of dealing with the matters that I concur are at issue, we gave them an easy target and someone acting just like them. The problem with Trump is that while they never gave quarter to Republicans, nor will they in the future, we didn't give them anything substantive to support their claims and they looked like the idiots they are. We lost that with Trump. You don't fight corruption with corruption.

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Nice rant.

Pays absolutely no attention to what I just said.

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Addressed it directly. The threat the Democrats have always posed is their blatant abuse of power. The fact our guy didn't get away with it and they did/have thus far is only a symptom. If we argue our guy should get away with it because of the former we're no different than them.

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No, you did not address the problem, You decided to let the Democrats get away with their abuse, because defending Trump is unacceptable to you.

You don't want Trump to be the nominee, so you are going along with this outrageous abuse of power.

Ergo, you have endorsed their corruption and become one of them.

Trump at his worst was far better than Biden or Obama, and you know that.

Have you looked at the specific charges? Compared them with the known facts?

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Yes, he's incredibly guilty. I believe Biden, or at least his son to be guilty as well. Your argument is stupid. I'm letting the others get away because o think both are guilty?? WTH?

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It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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They won't need to if DeSantis keeps making silly comments.

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Have you read the specific charges?

Do you understand who has the relevant authority in matters of Presidential Records?

Calling Trump "guilty" at this point is premature at best, and demonstrates the same garbage bias we have seen in all these threads.

And since I suspect I need to be clear, defending Trump on these charges is not at all the same thing as endorsing Trump for 2024. But throwing him under the bus does demonstrate that you are cool with abuse of power as long as you hate the target.

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Will bet he either settles or is convicted. No way he is acquited of 37 charges. All I want y bet is you saying I was right... You are right, I have no problem saying you called it.

I laid out why I think he is toast on this one. Him tweeting asking for help, indicates to me I am on right track.

By the way, I suspect whether you endorse him or not is going to be moot when this plays out...

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Hes always on the grift asking for peoples help and Money, for someone who likes to position himself as the Alphas Alpha, he sure does need other peoples help a lot

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That's because he is a giant *****, and always has been. Hard to believe that dude has brainwashed so many.

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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I've read the indictment. You're delusional. Get familiar with Waltine.

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I wonder what the Libertarian position is on a sitting President having his top political rival indicted for mishandling documents? A sitting President that is in possession of classified documents from when he was a Senator and Vice President? Please ask one and get back to me.

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Well, Trump , while President, did everything possible to take down Biden, including conditioning foreign aide on help investigating him.

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When Trump was President, Biden was as insignificant as a pimple on an elephant's ass. Unfortunately, that's how most world leaders perceive Biden as President. Sad.

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No, he was the leading candidate for the Dem nomination and later obviously the actual nominee.

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Those that like Desantis, do you not realize they will treat him exactly the same as Trump or worse?

If you think this helps, you're not seeing the big picture.

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I've never understood this argument. Of course Dems will go after Repubs, just as Repubs went after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's how the game is played. The answer is not whining about it or doubling down on a buffoon, but rather, nominate normal, decent candidates who are not easy to attack. Reagan, the Bushes, and numerous successful GOP Governors and Senators withstood attacks just fine.

I've defended Trump on his legal troubles from Russia to Ukraine to J6 and everything in between. This is different. If even half of what is alleged in the indictment is true, he should be convicted and do real time. These are egregious crimes to say the least. And, unlike the other matters, he cannot blame anyone but himself.

If true, he intentionally (1) suggested his own attorneys destroy subpoenad evidence, (2) concealed subpoenad evidence, (3) allowed his attorneys to falsely certify compliance with subpoenas, and (4) lied to the FBI.

If these crimes don't bother you, how about exposing some of our most top secret defense and nuclear information by keeping it in public areas and then worse, actually showing it to and discussing with third parties and bragging that it is top secret? He put our country at risk.

And this is the guy you defend and use as an example why others will be treated the same way? Would Desantis, Scott, and Haley do this crap? Have others? No and No.

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They're letting Biden get away with pay for play bribery. Hillary destroyed classified data she stored on her server.

The difference is Trump is actually going to be locked up while everyone else gets a free pass.

It's the unequal application of law that YOU CANT DENY.

Do you really not think they'll use extreme lawfare on Desantis?

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What you fail to acknowledge is Trump is the exception. Both parties have gone after each other and will continue to. Trump is the only Republican making it easy for the Dems.

I can and do deny it IN THIS CASE. Unequal application requires similar facts. No other case comes close to what the indictment alleges about Trump. Trump has only himself to blame. And he knowingly put our country at risk.

HRC's case was completely different, and again, Repubs themselves found no wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

We will see what happens with Biden. The evidence seems to be piling up that he was directly involved.

Of course the Dems will come after Desantis, but what are the allegations . . . military service, a good family, keeping his state open during COVID, and taking on Disney/woke teachers?

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If Obama or Biden did exactly what Trump has done here, nobody would touch it.

That's what you're not understanding.

Nothing is going to happen to Biden.

What facts GOP presented about HRC are far worse than what Trump is being accused of here. Nobody was willing to actually hold her accountable. THATS A HUGE F 'ING PROBLEM.

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100% disagree. Anyone who did what Trump appears to have done during an FBI investigation is charged and does real time. Again, I've not seen, heard, nor talked to one attorney who argues otherwise. Others from both parties have been charged for a lot less - Berger, Petraeus and countless others.

I despise Hillary, but Comey did likely cost her the election with his press conference. But, regardless, the allegations against her came nowhere close to the allegations against Trump: (1) no willful element, (2) no obstruction of FBI investigation, (3) no telling own attorneys to destroy, (4) no purposefully showing some of the most highly sensitive intel to others, and (5) the level of intel on a scale of 1-10 was a 1, while Trump's was a 10 (highly sensitive defense and nuclear intel).

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I invested 30 seconds googling and found interviews with 4 attorneys whose names I know stating regarding the charges:

Weak
Unprecedented absurd
Politically motivated
Doesn't even rise to a Nixon level (which is know as weak)

A couple are known democrats. The others, unsure kf political Affiliation

The way you state it, it is interesting that such esteemed lawyers would go on the record in a case you suggest is tantamount to Benedict Arnold / Quisling type offense

Now the nation should trust the people that screamed and weeped Russia, peepeegate, Putin and Facebook posts for Trump Elected for 4+ years?

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Please cite those attorneys

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You can Google it yourself. It's all right there

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quash said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.

The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.

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I've read the indictment. You're delusional. Get familiar with Waltine.

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I wonder what the Libertarian position is on a sitting President having his top political rival indicted for mishandling documents? A sitting President that is in possession of classified documents from when he was a Senator and Vice President? Please ask one and get back to me.

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Well, Trump , while President, did everything possible to take down Biden, including conditioning foreign aide on help investigating him.

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And of course, though I know you and others hate to hear it, just yet another thing Trump was right about