It's certainly willful, but the purpose is unclear. "Whatever purpose" could mean…whatever.TexasScientist said:Hiding them, in the face of a subpoena, from the DOJ to keep them for yourself (to use for whatever purpose you want later) would be a corrupt purpose.Sam Lowry said:I agree with you about Hillary, but I'm not sure Trump's knowledge that he was keeping things he wasn't supposed to constitutes a corrupt purpose. To me that would be something like selling secrets or blackmailing public officials.HuMcK said:
The Hillary case was exactly what I was alluding to. "Buttery males"="but-her-e-mails". Comey was quite clear in his justification presser that they could not establish intentionality or willful acts in defiance of the law, so even if not an actual statutory element, that's where the bar was set. He probably set it there thinking there was no way someone would be stupid enough to ever reach it, but that was the pre-Trump era.
Again, if just storing the info off site was prosecutable, that would be some bad news for Ivanka and Jared, but that's not even close to what happened here (meaning the Trump admin did in fact benefit from the "Hillary precedent"). They have Trump's dumb ass on tape bragging the he kept things he knew he wasn't supposed to (i.e. a corrupt purpose) and was deliberately concealing them from DoJ after a subpoena...what choice does law enforcement have at that point?
I didn't love that Hillary got a pass, so much so that I did not vote for her (you still voted for Trump and would again as I recall, like a good little partisan), but Trump's conduct is so far beyond and more egregious than what she (or anyone else really) did. There has to be a line somewhere, DoJ has decided it lies at the point of deliberate and willful misconduct (for public figures anyway, Reality Winner shows that the bar is a little lower for the rest of us) and I am at peace with that.
I think this was a tough call -- not on guilt, but on the appropriateness of charging an ex-president and presidential candidate. It's somewhere in between what Biden did and the kind of substantive crime that would clearly demand prosecution.
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That does not read to me like a joke, but more importantly, I highly doubt Smith includes that unless the attorneys are prepared to testify.Doc Holliday said:The DOJ is indicting Trump, in part, for joking with his lawyer?
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) June 9, 2023
Trump's rhetorical questions about consequences are now obstructive?
Whew... pic.twitter.com/0gdBNosdrl
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I wonder what the Libertarian position is on a sitting President having his top political rival indicted for mishandling documents? A sitting President that is in possession of classified documents from when he was a Senator and Vice President? Please ask one and get back to me.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
regarding the classified documents found at Mar-A-Lago. No specifics available yet.
The Biden Administration, Department of Justice, the FBI, and CIA are rotten to the core. If they are not careful, they may get to see what a real insurrection looks like. The Deep State is alive and well. I do not like Donald Trump, but this is a sad day for our country.
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I've read the indictment. You're delusional. Get familiar with Waltine.
Doesn't require a Libertarian to see the difference between a black bag operation and an independent special counsel conducting an investigation. But if you need to be told what Libertarians support, and you always do, it is the rule of law.
Mishandling is a laughable description of moving documents around to avoid returning them when requested, and to deceive his own lawyer (attorney 1).
He used his valet to play a shell game among the ballroom, storage room and the Classified Crapper.
I don't know what will happen to President Biden as to his handling of the documents he possessed (and returned). We know Vice President Pence will not be indicted. We know President Trump has been indicted.
Trump does not face a reeducation camp or the gulag.
He faces a trial where he will enjoy all the rights guaranteed by the constitution. Libertarians like that process. Why don't you?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Fox's Shannon Bream on Trump indictment: "Any chance that he would take a plea deal?"
— The Recount (@therecount) June 11, 2023
Trump attorney Alina Habba: "No. I could never imagine. I know I would never advise that, especially when he's not done anything wrong. You take a plea deal to make something go away." pic.twitter.com/tctrhTvGHS
Quash: "Libertarians like that process. Why don't you?"
Actually, most Libertarians despise the clear double standard being used here.
It's telling that you are comfortable with someone using a system to protect one person from consequences while delivering all possible attacks against another for essentially the same behavior.
You don't have to like Trump or his behavior to see the deep and serious wrong in this matter.
Actually, most Libertarians despise the clear double standard being used here.
It's telling that you are comfortable with someone using a system to protect one person from consequences while delivering all possible attacks against another for essentially the same behavior.
You don't have to like Trump or his behavior to see the deep and serious wrong in this matter.
Oldbear83 said:
Quash: "Libertarians like that process. Why don't you?"
Actually, most Libertarians despise the clear double standard being used here.
It's telling that you are comfortable with someone using a system to protect one person from consequences while delivering all possible attacks against another for essentially the same behavior.
You don't have to like Trump or his behavior to see the deep and serious wrong in this matter.
Wrong. Like, exactly wrong.
Reason is the Libertarian paper of record.
Here's an article from the Libertarian viewpoint:
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/06/10/against-the-banana-republic-critique-of-indicting-trump/.
This is calculated misconduct followed by a cover up. No one will be above the law.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
You are still wrong. Preferred site editorial does not change the fact of double standard.
Oldbear83 said:
You are still wrong. Preferred site editorial does not change the fact of double standard.
By whom?
Who didn't indict Hillary? (Trumps DOJ)
Is Biden being investigated by Special.Counsel? (Yes)
Tell me about SC Hur? Biden lackey? Who appointed him to District of Maryland? What political party? (Republican) (Trump appointed him to District of Maryland)
There is no double standard. Only double standard is Trump didn't prosecute Hillary. Why did he let her off? Believe that some are above the law? His letting Hillary off can be used to show a disrespect for the law.
Trump is screwed, this is a trap. The evidence must be so overwhelming that there is no fear? Every box is checked...
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Lindsey Graham just went off on George Stephanopoulos for interrupting him after bringing up Hillary Clinton's private server: "Let me finish...I'm trying to answer the question from a Republican point of view. That may not be acceptable on this show." pic.twitter.com/yMzT6rKNaR
— Kevin Tober (@KevinTober94) June 11, 2023
Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Huh? You are the one saying there is a double standard, this is weaponizing DOJ, etc... Every excuse under the sun except that he did it or provided enough evidence for a Grand Jury to warrant a ln indictment.
Hell, you got a bad case of the "Trumps", might want to get a penicillin shot for that.... Maybe if you send him a $20 he'll give you an autographed picture.
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
Doc Holliday said:The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
Everyone should be held accountable. If Trump goes down, that's on him. I can't bring myself to care anymore.
If you want to die on a hill for someone that doesn't give two ****s about you, go for it. I can't imagine caring about that guy when DeSantis is an option.
Who didn't indict Hillary?Doc Holliday said:The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
I think most people on this site and in general are happy that if someone breaks the Law, they get punished for it, if Hilary or Biden broke the law, then yeah, they should be tried in a court of their peers and if found guilty, should be appropriately punished.Doc Holliday said:The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
The fact that they haven't (despite the fact Hilary was investigated by the DoJ) implies at the very least that there isn't enough evidence to make a trial worthwhile and could at the other end of the spectrum mean they haven't done anything illegal.
The fact that Trump has been indicted/charged on several counts also implies that they feel there is sufficient evidence to find him guilty (Think what you like, but i seriously doubt that they would charge a former President with anything if they didnt have some kind of evidence that he did something illegal)
I'm the English Guy
FLBear5630 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Screw this. To Hell with DeSantis and Tim Scott. Both are good men but only Trump can clean up this corruption that has taken over Washington, D.C. and rescue our Republic. Still do not like Trump as a person, but I am all in. The DOJ has convinced me to change my vote in the 2024 Presidential Election. Enough.
You really think Trump is person to clean up DC? It got worse with him in the mix, Nation has never been as divided. He needs to go back to TV or this won't end.
There will be no healing until onside loses and one side wins. My wife can't stand Trump but the indictment pushed her over into his camp. She understands it clearly - if we let them do this to Trump, they will do it to anyone of us, too. All we have to do to earn the treatment is get in the way.
To stop this from happening again, we have to show that it won't work, that it might actually be counter-productive.
Dude. Stop and think carefully. If they are successful with this, do you really think they're going to say to themselves "whew! We slayed the dragon. Now we can stand back and let Republicans have a chance to compete against us on a level field & let the chips fall where they may"?
Who is this "they" of whom you speak?
Otherwise, cool story, bro.
Otherwise, cool story, bro.
They are able to be successful with this mess because Trump is an undisciplined, blowhard that allowed himself to be trapped like this. If Trump follows protocol or pays attention to anything besides what his ego wants, he wouldn't have been in this position and probably would have been re-elected. So, this is a Trump or someone like him issue, not a GOP issue.whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Screw this. To Hell with DeSantis and Tim Scott. Both are good men but only Trump can clean up this corruption that has taken over Washington, D.C. and rescue our Republic. Still do not like Trump as a person, but I am all in. The DOJ has convinced me to change my vote in the 2024 Presidential Election. Enough.
You really think Trump is person to clean up DC? It got worse with him in the mix, Nation has never been as divided. He needs to go back to TV or this won't end.
There will be no healing until onside loses and one side wins. My wife can't stand Trump but the indictment pushed her over into his camp. She understands it clearly - if we let them do this to Trump, they will do it to anyone of us, too. All we have to do to earn the treatment is get in the way.
To stop this from happening again, we have to show that it won't work, that it might actually be counter-productive.
Dude. Stop and think carefully. If they are successful with this, do you really think they're going to say to themselves "whew! We slayed the dragon. Now we can stand back and let Republicans have a chance to compete against us on a level field & let the chips fall where they may"?
Biden and Pence also had classified documents.FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Huh? You are the one saying there is a double standard, this is weaponizing DOJ, etc... Every excuse under the sun except that he did it or provided enough evidence for a Grand Jury to warrant a ln indictment.
Hell, you got a bad case of the "Trumps", might want to get a penicillin shot for that.... Maybe if you send him a $20 he'll give you an autographed picture.
No raids, no charges.
Just ignore that, will you?
They gave them back. That is all Trump had to do. Yet the blowhard made it into an indictment! Cooperate, like everyone else does.Oldbear83 said:Biden and Pence also had classified documents.FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Huh? You are the one saying there is a double standard, this is weaponizing DOJ, etc... Every excuse under the sun except that he did it or provided enough evidence for a Grand Jury to warrant a ln indictment.
Hell, you got a bad case of the "Trumps", might want to get a penicillin shot for that.... Maybe if you send him a $20 he'll give you an autographed picture.
No raids, no charges.
Just ignore that, will you?
Biden has a Special Counsel investigating him. Not good enough???
More denial.FLBear5630 said:They gave them back. That is all Trump had to do. Yet the blowhard made it into an indictment! Cooperate, like everyone else does.Oldbear83 said:Biden and Pence also had classified documents.FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Huh? You are the one saying there is a double standard, this is weaponizing DOJ, etc... Every excuse under the sun except that he did it or provided enough evidence for a Grand Jury to warrant a ln indictment.
Hell, you got a bad case of the "Trumps", might want to get a penicillin shot for that.... Maybe if you send him a $20 he'll give you an autographed picture.
No raids, no charges.
Just ignore that, will you?
Biden has a Special Counsel investigating him. Not good enough???
Obama's IRS targeted conservatives. That is a fact.
Clinton broke several major laws. That was the statement made by Comey, and it stands as fact.
Pretty much every President kept documents for years, but it only became an issue this year.
There was zero need for an armed raid on Trump's residence.
And about Biden. Unlike Trump, he took home classified documents while he was a Senator, with no authorization to remove them from the SCIF. That is also fact.
The double standard is obvious to everyone but those who find it useful.
They asked him for the documents back, simple as that. All he had to do was cooperate, but as usual he can't do that.Oldbear83 said:More denial.FLBear5630 said:They gave them back. That is all Trump had to do. Yet the blowhard made it into an indictment! Cooperate, like everyone else does.Oldbear83 said:Biden and Pence also had classified documents.FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Huh? You are the one saying there is a double standard, this is weaponizing DOJ, etc... Every excuse under the sun except that he did it or provided enough evidence for a Grand Jury to warrant a ln indictment.
Hell, you got a bad case of the "Trumps", might want to get a penicillin shot for that.... Maybe if you send him a $20 he'll give you an autographed picture.
No raids, no charges.
Just ignore that, will you?
Biden has a Special Counsel investigating him. Not good enough???
Obama's IRS targeted conservatives. That is a fact.
Clinton broke several major laws. That was the statement made by Comey, and it stands as fact.
Pretty much every President kept documents for years, but it only became an issue this year.
There was zero need for an armed raid on Trump's residence.
And about Biden. Unlike Trump, he took home classified documents while he was a Senator, with no authorization to remove them from the SCIF. That is also fact.
The double standard is obvious to everyone but those who find it useful.
All Trump had to do was give back what was asked. Nothing else.
Trump, once again, made his own mess. He knows they are looking to get him, yet he just keeps giving them the means to do **** like this. He is poison, keep defending him.
By the way, you keep bringing up Clinton, Trump's DOJ was the one that didn't prosecute her?? Then you use that as proof of a double standard?? Trump should have prosecuted, it is on him it didn't happen.
Biden is being investigated. There is no double standard, there is nothing that Trump didn't create himself.
** sigh **
OK, cling to that story. Pretty weak one, but if it helps you sleep at night ...
OK, cling to that story. Pretty weak one, but if it helps you sleep at night ...
Comey said Hillary did break laws, so explain that.cms186 said:I think most people on this site and in general are happy that if someone breaks the Law, they get punished for it, if Hilary or Biden broke the law, then yeah, they should be tried in a court of their peers and if found guilty, should be appropriately punished.Doc Holliday said:The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
The fact that they haven't (despite the fact Hilary was investigated by the DoJ) implies at the very least that there isn't enough evidence to make a trial worthwhile and could at the other end of the spectrum mean they haven't done anything illegal.
The fact that Trump has been indicted/charged on several counts also implies that they feel there is sufficient evidence to find him guilty (Think what you like, but i seriously doubt that they would charge a former President with anything if they didnt have some kind of evidence that he did something illegal)
So, why didn't the Trump DOJ prosecute??? Let's ask Donald why? That is on himDoc Holliday said:Comey said Hillary did break laws, so explain that.cms186 said:I think most people on this site and in general are happy that if someone breaks the Law, they get punished for it, if Hilary or Biden broke the law, then yeah, they should be tried in a court of their peers and if found guilty, should be appropriately punished.Doc Holliday said:The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
The fact that they haven't (despite the fact Hilary was investigated by the DoJ) implies at the very least that there isn't enough evidence to make a trial worthwhile and could at the other end of the spectrum mean they haven't done anything illegal.
The fact that Trump has been indicted/charged on several counts also implies that they feel there is sufficient evidence to find him guilty (Think what you like, but i seriously doubt that they would charge a former President with anything if they didnt have some kind of evidence that he did something illegal)
Increasing your support for a politician after finding out they're more criminal than previously known might be one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.
Truly the oddest of all arguments. "They're going to continue to come after us, so let's nominate the guy who has zero self control and makes it super easy for them!"whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Screw this. To Hell with DeSantis and Tim Scott. Both are good men but only Trump can clean up this corruption that has taken over Washington, D.C. and rescue our Republic. Still do not like Trump as a person, but I am all in. The DOJ has convinced me to change my vote in the 2024 Presidential Election. Enough.
You really think Trump is person to clean up DC? It got worse with him in the mix, Nation has never been as divided. He needs to go back to TV or this won't end.
There will be no healing until onside loses and one side wins. My wife can't stand Trump but the indictment pushed her over into his camp. She understands it clearly - if we let them do this to Trump, they will do it to anyone of us, too. All we have to do to earn the treatment is get in the way.
To stop this from happening again, we have to show that it won't work, that it might actually be counter-productive.
Dude. Stop and think carefully. If they are successful with this, do you really think they're going to say to themselves "whew! We slayed the dragon. Now we can stand back and let Republicans have a chance to compete against us on a level field & let the chips fall where they may"?
And I'm shocked someone with your background acts as if this is new in politics. Dems went hard after Reagan and Trump. GOP went hard after Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. That's life in DC.
How about we nominate someone who is a more difficult target?
If these allegations are true, are you saying indictment was not warranted?
Another vapid campaign promise from the Donald.FLBear5630 said:So, why didn't the Trump DOJ prosecute??? Let's ask Donald why? That is on himDoc Holliday said:Comey said Hillary did break laws, so explain that.cms186 said:I think most people on this site and in general are happy that if someone breaks the Law, they get punished for it, if Hilary or Biden broke the law, then yeah, they should be tried in a court of their peers and if found guilty, should be appropriately punished.Doc Holliday said:The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
The fact that they haven't (despite the fact Hilary was investigated by the DoJ) implies at the very least that there isn't enough evidence to make a trial worthwhile and could at the other end of the spectrum mean they haven't done anything illegal.
The fact that Trump has been indicted/charged on several counts also implies that they feel there is sufficient evidence to find him guilty (Think what you like, but i seriously doubt that they would charge a former President with anything if they didnt have some kind of evidence that he did something illegal)
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comey-admits-mistakes-describing-clintons-sloppy-handling-classified/story?id=54487996Doc Holliday said:Comey said Hillary did break laws, so explain that.cms186 said:I think most people on this site and in general are happy that if someone breaks the Law, they get punished for it, if Hilary or Biden broke the law, then yeah, they should be tried in a court of their peers and if found guilty, should be appropriately punished.Doc Holliday said:The only dumbasses are those that want Trump locked up and are completely fine if nobody else is held accountable.BearTruth13 said:
Trump continues to out himself as a thundering dumbass and some of you continue to double down. Even Obama is amazed at that level of devotion.
Jesus, have some semblance of self-worth.
-2020 Trump voter
The fact that they haven't (despite the fact Hilary was investigated by the DoJ) implies at the very least that there isn't enough evidence to make a trial worthwhile and could at the other end of the spectrum mean they haven't done anything illegal.
The fact that Trump has been indicted/charged on several counts also implies that they feel there is sufficient evidence to find him guilty (Think what you like, but i seriously doubt that they would charge a former President with anything if they didnt have some kind of evidence that he did something illegal)
"I should've worked harder to find a way to convey that it's more than just the ordinary mistake, but it's not criminal behaviour, and find different words to describe that,"
I'm the English Guy
FLBear5630 said:They gave them back. That is all Trump had to do. Yet the blowhard made it into an indictment! Cooperate, like everyone else does.Oldbear83 said:Biden and Pence also had classified documents.FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Huh? You are the one saying there is a double standard, this is weaponizing DOJ, etc... Every excuse under the sun except that he did it or provided enough evidence for a Grand Jury to warrant a ln indictment.
Hell, you got a bad case of the "Trumps", might want to get a penicillin shot for that.... Maybe if you send him a $20 he'll give you an autographed picture.
No raids, no charges.
Just ignore that, will you?
Biden has a Special Counsel investigating him. Not good enough???
They gotcha. Hook line and sinker
"Had he just turned them in or turned them in faster"
Democrats are always like cats with a laser pointer. Just look why they did to y'all for 4 years convincing you Putin elected his homey Orange Man and trump asked strippers to pee on his head
We just sat and chuckled at y'all talking at dinner about it and watching msnbc for "the latest!"
No, they got idiot Trump. He and his ego let them box him in. He is toast. He knew they were trying, yet rather than be careful and not give them an opportunity, he thumbed his nose at them. This is not the strategic thinking we need in the WH to face China.Fre3dombear said:FLBear5630 said:They gave them back. That is all Trump had to do. Yet the blowhard made it into an indictment! Cooperate, like everyone else does.Oldbear83 said:Biden and Pence also had classified documents.FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
Huh? You are the one saying there is a double standard, this is weaponizing DOJ, etc... Every excuse under the sun except that he did it or provided enough evidence for a Grand Jury to warrant a ln indictment.
Hell, you got a bad case of the "Trumps", might want to get a penicillin shot for that.... Maybe if you send him a $20 he'll give you an autographed picture.
No raids, no charges.
Just ignore that, will you?
Biden has a Special Counsel investigating him. Not good enough???
They gotch. Hook line and sinker
"Had he just turned them in or turned them in faster"
Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
They literally don't even know the details and he's guilty. Makes anything g they say moot. "We" may not even know enough details Tuesday.
Can't imagine spending any more time on this than the 10 min I have this far but that's mostly to chuckpe at our resident commies that hate trump
I expect most here cannot even identify the three crises aside from Trump that are in progress.Fre3dombear said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
They literally don't even know the details and he's guilty. Makes anything g they say moot. "We" may not even know enough details Tuesday.
Can't imagine spending any more time on this than the 10 min I have this far but that's mostly to chuckpe at our resident commies that hate trump
Oldbear83 said:I expect most here cannot even identify the three crises aside from Trump that are in progress.Fre3dombear said:Oldbear83 said:
Denial is very common, especially among the Left.
It's also telling how many Red Queens we have here. Verdict well ahead of the trial.
They literally don't even know the details and he's guilty. Makes anything g they say moot. "We" may not even know enough details Tuesday.
Can't imagine spending any more time on this than the 10 min I have this far but that's mostly to chuckpe at our resident commies that hate trump
With the brain trust in here? Are you sure?