Pope Francis met Saturday with Cardinals-elect Christophe Pierre and Robert Prevost to discuss requesting the resignation of Bishop Strickland of Tyler. https://t.co/25L4wi3P2j

— The Pillar (@PillarCatholic) September 11, 2023

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Pope Francis met Saturday with Cardinals-elect Christophe Pierre and Robert Prevost to discuss requesting the resignation of Bishop Strickland of Tyler. https://t.co/25L4wi3P2j

— The Pillar (@PillarCatholic) September 11, 2023

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Pope Francis is terrible.

If Strickland is not kiddie diddling like most in the Catholic heirarchy, I say leave him alone!!!!

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If Strickland is not kiddie diddling like most in the Catholic heirarchy, I say leave him alone!!!!

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Kiddie diddling does not get you in trouble with the Vatican…being conservative does

Sounds like the Pope still retains his bona fides as a bouncer.

Bishop Strickland is a true follower of Christ and this NWO charlatan pope doesnt like it. Cant have Bishop Strickland preaching the true word of Christ.

In his September missive, Strickland reiterated that Christ "is the only path to everlasting life" and that "no other path to salvation can be found." The bishop subsequently warned that some are attempting to "chip away or destroy altogether the Deposit of Faith" of the Catholic Church.

So glad I belong to a body of believers that doesn't have to adhere to edicts from a sinful charlatan who seeks to twist the Word of God.

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Bishop Strickland is a true follower of Christ and this NWO charlatan pope doesnt like it. Cant have Bishop Strickland preaching the true word of Christ.

In his September missive, Strickland reiterated that Christ "is the only path to everlasting life" and that "no other path to salvation can be found." The bishop subsequently warned that some are attempting to "chip away or destroy altogether the Deposit of Faith" of the Catholic Church.

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Bishop Strickland is probably one of the most outspoken Bishops we have in the Church in America. We need many more like him. He is not afraid to preach truth.

He wasn't afraid of Covid or the lockdowns. He has displayed the monstrance at a busy intersection. He publicly denounces Fr. James Martin and the LGBTQ+ and gender ideologies.

I hope that Pope Frances and him can come to an accord.

Redbrickbear said:

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Pope Francis met Saturday with Cardinals-elect Christophe Pierre and Robert Prevost to discuss requesting the resignation of Bishop Strickland of Tyler. https://t.co/25L4wi3P2j

— The Pillar (@PillarCatholic) September 11, 2023

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Throughout the millennia of Popes there have been good ones, evil ones, planted ones.

This pope is a communist and falls in the more evil realm. He was and is a plant.

But the Catholic Church is very well organized and that's an issue for governments as it is in effect a government in a way for nearly 2,000,000,000 people.

It's part of why it gets much more press for the evil that was exposed than the same Protestant evil exposed in much larger numbers.

It's about who is controlling the minds of billions of people.

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muddybrazos said:

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Bishop Strickland is a true follower of Christ and this NWO charlatan pope doesnt like it. Cant have Bishop Strickland preaching the true word of Christ.

In his September missive, Strickland reiterated that Christ "is the only path to everlasting life" and that "no other path to salvation can be found." The bishop subsequently warned that some are attempting to "chip away or destroy altogether the Deposit of Faith" of the Catholic Church.

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Bishop Strickland is probably one of the most outspoken Bishops we have in the Church in America. We need many more like him. He is not afraid to preach truth.

He wasn't afraid of Covid or the lockdowns. He has displayed the monstrance at a busy intersection. He publicly denounces Fr. James Martin and the LGBTQ+ and gender ideologies.

I hope that Pope Frances and him can come to an accord.

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If they kick him out of the Catholic church we will welcome him in the Anglican church.

Of course I agree with Bishop Strickland here, and am thankful for Catholics standing up for Christian principles.

But it isn't very "Christian" for Catholics to rely not on Jesus Christ, but rather....Mary:

Thank you brothers. Our power is…”Hail Mary full of grace…” https://t.co/ycfPjFi6Z2

— Bishop J. Strickland (@Bishopoftyler) June 27, 2023

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muddybrazos said:

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Bishop Strickland is a true follower of Christ and this NWO charlatan pope doesnt like it. Cant have Bishop Strickland preaching the true word of Christ.

In his September missive, Strickland reiterated that Christ "is the only path to everlasting life" and that "no other path to salvation can be found." The bishop subsequently warned that some are attempting to "chip away or destroy altogether the Deposit of Faith" of the Catholic Church.

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Bishop Strickland is probably one of the most outspoken Bishops we have in the Church in America. We need many more like him. He is not afraid to preach truth.

He wasn't afraid of Covid or the lockdowns. He has displayed the monstrance at a busy intersection. He publicly denounces Fr. James Martin and the LGBTQ+ and gender ideologies.

I hope that Pope Frances and him can come to an accord.

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If they kick him out of the Catholic church we will welcome him in the Anglican church.

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Of course I agree with Bishop Strickland here, and am thankful for Catholics standing up for Christian principles.

But it isn't very "Christian" for Catholics to rely not on Jesus Christ, but rather....Mary:

Thank you brothers. Our power is…”Hail Mary full of grace…” https://t.co/ycfPjFi6Z2

— Bishop J. Strickland (@Bishopoftyler) June 27, 2023

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Quoting scripture is very "Christian."

Not like the first pope more focused on the culture than the Church.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Of course I agree with Bishop Strickland here, and am thankful for Catholics standing up for Christian principles.

But it isn't very "Christian" for Catholics to rely not on Jesus Christ, but rather....Mary:

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Quoting scripture is very "Christian."

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But he's doing more than just quoting scripture there, isn't he?

And quoting scripture isn't always "Christian". Satan quoted Scripture to tempt Jesus to sin.

Also, regarding your picture, Luke 2:35 and John 2:5 do not support having Mary "pray for us sinners...". That's Catholics forcing the bible to say what they want it to say.

The Church of Rome as changed…..

“Let priests take care not to accept from the liberal any ideas which, under the mask of good, pretend to reconcile justice with iniquity. Liberal Catholics are wolves in sheep’s clothing. The priest must unveil to the people their perfidious plot, their iniquitous design. You… pic.twitter.com/plZcVa9upw

— Father V (@father_rmv) September 12, 2023

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Of course I agree with Bishop Strickland here, and am thankful for Catholics standing up for Christian principles.

But it isn't very "Christian" for Catholics to rely not on Jesus Christ, but rather....Mary:

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Quoting scripture is very "Christian."

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But he's doing more than just quoting scripture there, isn't he?

And quoting scripture isn't always "Christian". Satan quoted Scripture to tempt Jesus to sin.

Also, regarding your picture, Luke 2:35 and John 2:5 do not support having Mary "pray for us sinners...". That's Catholics forcing the bible to say what they want it to say.

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The Church came before the bible. It was the Catholic Church that canonized the Bible.

Please take this to the other thread. This thread is concerning what appears to be unjust persecution of good and holy bishop.

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Coke Bear said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Of course I agree with Bishop Strickland here, and am thankful for Catholics standing up for Christian principles.

But it isn't very "Christian" for Catholics to rely not on Jesus Christ, but rather....Mary:

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Quoting scripture is very "Christian."

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But he's doing more than just quoting scripture there, isn't he?

And quoting scripture isn't always "Christian". Satan quoted Scripture to tempt Jesus to sin.

Also, regarding your picture, Luke 2:35 and John 2:5 do not support having Mary "pray for us sinners...". That's Catholics forcing the bible to say what they want it to say.

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The Church came before the bible. It was the Catholic Church that canonized the Bible.

Please take this to the other thread. This thread is concerning what appears to be unjust persecution of good and holy bishop.

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The testimony of Jesus and his apostles came before the Church. The early church was already using the written testimony of the apostles in the form of the four gospels and epistles as inspired scripture long before any Catholic Church council officially canonized anything. And the Old Testament was already in existence long, long before that, and it was recognized by the early Christians as scripture as well. The canonization of the bible by the Catholic Church was just a recognition of what had already been deemed scripture by the first Christians.

This subject is perfectly fine for this thread. The point was that I agree that this bishop was unjustly being persecuted by Rome. But no, sorry - he can't be "good and holy" if he is putting his faith in Mary, not Jesus.

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And the Old Testament was already in existence long, long before that, and it was recognized by the early Christians as scripture as well.

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Which version of the OT?
The Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Essenes? They were all different.

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The canonization of the bible by the Catholic Church was just a recognition of what had already been deemed scripture by the first Christians.

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Who were those first Christians? Those of the Catholic Church

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This subject is perfectly fine for this thread. The point was that I agree that this bishop was unjustly being persecuted by Rome. But no, sorry - he can't be "good and holy" if he is putting his faith in Mary, not Jesus.

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He is putting his faith in Mary THRU Jesus. Sadly, I don't believe your bias will ever let you understand that.

I do pray for you daily.

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And the Old Testament was already in existence long, long before that, and it was recognized by the early Christians as scripture as well.

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Which version of the OT?
The Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Essenes? They were all different.

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The Old Testament that Jesus himself verified as the Word of God, when he said he came to fulfill every jot and tittle of the "Law and the Prophets". And in Luke 24:27, Jesus further verifed it to two disciple on the road to Emmaus: "And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, (Jesus) interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself."

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The canonization of the bible by the Catholic Church was just a recognition of what had already been deemed scripture by the first Christians.

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Who were those first Christians? Those of the Catholic Church

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They were not the Catholic church. There were no priests, no bishops, no nuns, no Pope. They were just Jesus' church.

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This subject is perfectly fine for this thread. The point was that I agree that this bishop was unjustly being persecuted by Rome. But no, sorry - he can't be "good and holy" if he is putting his faith in Mary, not Jesus.

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He is putting his faith in Mary THRU Jesus. Sadly, I don't believe your bias will ever let you understand that.

I do pray for you daily.

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You don't put your faith in anything or anyone else but Jesus alone.

Please do not pray to Mary for me, and thus steal glory, honor, and praise from Jesus Christ like that. Not on my account. I will however, pray directly to Jesus for you, that your eyes will be opened to this heresy and idolatry.

What I always think of when I see Protestant vs Catholic debates on this board.

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What I always think of when I see Protestant vs Catholic debates on this board.

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What a great movie.

Coke Bear said:

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Coke Bear said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Of course I agree with Bishop Strickland here, and am thankful for Catholics standing up for Christian principles.

But it isn't very "Christian" for Catholics to rely not on Jesus Christ, but rather....Mary:

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Quoting scripture is very "Christian."

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But he's doing more than just quoting scripture there, isn't he?

And quoting scripture isn't always "Christian". Satan quoted Scripture to tempt Jesus to sin.

Also, regarding your picture, Luke 2:35 and John 2:5 do not support having Mary "pray for us sinners...". That's Catholics forcing the bible to say what they want it to say.

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The Church came before the bible. It was the Catholic Church that canonized the Bible.

Please take this to the other thread. This thread is concerning what appears to be unjust persecution of good and holy bishop.

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You are a very patient man.

May God Bless you.

Coke Bear said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Of course I agree with Bishop Strickland here, and am thankful for Catholics standing up for Christian principles.

But it isn't very "Christian" for Catholics to rely not on Jesus Christ, but rather....Mary:

Thank you brothers. Our power is…”Hail Mary full of grace…” https://t.co/ycfPjFi6Z2

— Bishop J. Strickland (@Bishopoftyler) June 27, 2023

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Quoting scripture is very "Christian."

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Not interested in a fight regarding Catholic doctrine, but none of those verses says or even suggest that Mary had any divine attributes or the power to grant prayers. And contrary to the graphic, none says she's "holy." Blessed, sure, just like a number of those described as blessed by God throughout scripture, but worthy of prayer or worship? Nowhere in scripture.

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What I always think of when I see Protestant vs Catholic debates on this board.

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Thank God all we do is gripe at each other now days.

[The Thirty Years' War was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, lasting from 1618 to 1648. Fought primarily in Central Europe, an estimated 4.5 to 8 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of battle, famine, and disease, while some areas of what is now modern Germany experienced population declines of over 50%]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War

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Not interested in a fight regarding Catholic doctrine, but none of those verses says or even suggest that Mary had any divine attributes or the power to grant prayers. And contrary to the graphic, none says she's "holy." Blessed, sure, just like a number of those described as blessed by God throughout scripture, but worthy of prayer or worship? Nowhere in scripture.

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I have no desire to fight either. I would like the opportunity to explain some misunderstanding the appear in your post.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach or believe that Mary or any other Saint possess "divine attributes or the power to grant prayers."

We do believe that the Saints in heaven do, indeed, intercede for us. Revelation 5:8

And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people.

The 24 elders (saints in heaven) present our (God's people) prayers to the Lamb (Jesus).

Holy simply means, "dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred." The saints and angels in heaven are dedicated to the worship of God alone. Acts 3:21 calls the prophets holy, Ephesians 3:5 calls the apostles and profits holy, and finally, Mark 8:38 & Rev 14:10 calls the angels holy.

Lastly, the Catholic Church does not worship Mary. Worship is reserved for ONLY the three persons of the Trinity.

You may not accept this response, but this is what the Church teaches.

Coke Bear said:

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Not interested in a fight regarding Catholic doctrine, but none of those verses says or even suggest that Mary had any divine attributes or the power to grant prayers. And contrary to the graphic, none says she's "holy." Blessed, sure, just like a number of those described as blessed by God throughout scripture, but worthy of prayer or worship? Nowhere in scripture.

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I have no desire to fight either. I would like the opportunity to explain some misunderstanding the appear in your post.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach or believe that Mary or any other Saint possess "divine attributes or the power to grant prayers."

We do believe that the Saints in heaven do, indeed, intercede for us. Revelation 5:8

And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people.

The 24 elders (saints in heaven) present our (God's people) prayers to the Lamb (Jesus).

Holy simply means, "dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred." The saints and angels in heaven are dedicated to the worship of God alone. Acts 3:21 calls the prophets holy, Ephesians 3:5 calls the apostles and profits holy, and finally, Mark 8:38 & Rev 14:10 calls the angels holy.

Lastly, the Catholic Church does not worship Mary. Worship is reserved for ONLY the three persons of the Trinity.

You may not accept this response, but this is what the Church teaches.

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Thanks for the polite response. We've been over this before, and won't be changing any minds, but I simply find no scriptural support for the idea that saints should be prayed to, as they intercede for us. The only verse Catholics use in support of that position is the verse from Revelation, which of course certainly doesn't say, and I would submit, doesn't even suggest that Saints should be prayed to or even hear our prayers.

Either way, to each his own.

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Mothra said:

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Not interested in a fight regarding Catholic doctrine, but none of those verses says or even suggest that Mary had any divine attributes or the power to grant prayers. And contrary to the graphic, none says she's "holy." Blessed, sure, just like a number of those described as blessed by God throughout scripture, but worthy of prayer or worship? Nowhere in scripture.

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I have no desire to fight either. I would like the opportunity to explain some misunderstanding the appear in your post.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach or believe that Mary or any other Saint possess "divine attributes or the power to grant prayers."

We do believe that the Saints in heaven do, indeed, intercede for us. Revelation 5:8

And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people.

The 24 elders (saints in heaven) present our (God's people) prayers to the Lamb (Jesus).

Holy simply means, "dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred." The saints and angels in heaven are dedicated to the worship of God alone. Acts 3:21 calls the prophets holy, Ephesians 3:5 calls the apostles and profits holy, and finally, Mark 8:38 & Rev 14:10 calls the angels holy.

Lastly, the Catholic Church does not worship Mary. Worship is reserved for ONLY the three persons of the Trinity.

You may not accept this response, but this is what the Church teaches.

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Thanks for the polite response. We've been over this before, and won't be changing any minds, but I simply find no scriptural support for the idea that saints should be prayed to, as they intercede for us. The only verse Catholics use in support of that position is the verse from Revelation, which of course certainly doesn't say, and I would submit, doesn't even suggest that Saints should be prayed to or even hear our prayers.

Either way, to each his own.

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Let's not act like its just Latin rite Roman Catholics who believe in the power of the Saints and praying to/through the Saints (intercession).

Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, etc. all accept this practice in some way, shape, or form.

Even high church Protestants like the Anglicans accept it. [The bishop William Forbes termed the Anglican practice advocation of the saints, meaning "asking for the saints to pray with them and on their behalf, not praying to them"]

So we are talking about a minority of world Christianity (exclusively protestant groups) that reject the intercession of the Saints.

13% of the World's 2.4 billion Christians

I don't pray to the Saints for help or intercession. But I also accept that 90% of the world's Christians do and don't find it particularly offensive or troubling.

Praying to saints or to Mary means you believe they can hear your thoughts and prayers, a capacity only of the divine. Nowhere in scripture are we told to spiritually communicate with any entity except God/Jesus alone. The belief that Mary and saints have a level of omniscience and power that allows them to hear and accept prayers, and can effect results and blessings, and that each saint has "jurisdiction" over certain areas (healing, protection, fertility) is the same thing that the pagan world believed in their idols. How do you even know if these people are truly in heaven? Only God knows that. What if you're praying to someone in hell?

Making supplications via spiritual communication to any entity other than God is idolatry. Prayer is a form of worship. The practice is NOT taught by Jesus or his disciples, or believed and practiced by the early Christians. Nowhere in scripture is prayer to Mary or saints supported. Follow the infallible Word of God, not the fallible traditions of man.

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Not interested in a fight regarding Catholic doctrine, but none of those verses says or even suggest that Mary had any divine attributes or the power to grant prayers. And contrary to the graphic, none says she's "holy." Blessed, sure, just like a number of those described as blessed by God throughout scripture, but worthy of prayer or worship? Nowhere in scripture.

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I have no desire to fight either. I would like the opportunity to explain some misunderstanding the appear in your post.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach or believe that Mary or any other Saint possess "divine attributes or the power to grant prayers."

We do believe that the Saints in heaven do, indeed, intercede for us. Revelation 5:8

And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people.

The 24 elders (saints in heaven) present our (God's people) prayers to the Lamb (Jesus).

Holy simply means, "dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred." The saints and angels in heaven are dedicated to the worship of God alone. Acts 3:21 calls the prophets holy, Ephesians 3:5 calls the apostles and profits holy, and finally, Mark 8:38 & Rev 14:10 calls the angels holy.

Lastly, the Catholic Church does not worship Mary. Worship is reserved for ONLY the three persons of the Trinity.

You may not accept this response, but this is what the Church teaches.

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Thanks for the polite response. We've been over this before, and won't be changing any minds, but I simply find no scriptural support for the idea that saints should be prayed to, as they intercede for us. The only verse Catholics use in support of that position is the verse from Revelation, which of course certainly doesn't say, and I would submit, doesn't even suggest that Saints should be prayed to or even hear our prayers.

Either way, to each his own.

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Let's not act like its just Latin rite Roman Catholics who believe in the power of the Saints and praying to/through the Saints (intercession).

Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, etc. all accept this practice in some way, shape, or form.

Even high church Protestants like the Anglicans accept it. [The bishop William Forbes termed the Anglican practice advocation of the saints, meaning "asking for the saints to pray with them and on their behalf, not praying to them"]

So we are talking about a minority of world Christianity (exclusively protestant groups) that reject the intercession of the Saints.

13% of the World's 2.4 billion Christians

I don't pray to the Saints for help or intercession. But I also accept that 90% of the world's Christians do and don't find it particularly offensive or troubling.

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I am not sure I have acted like it was merely Catholics that believe in praying to Saints. That was simply the subject of the post I was responding to. I of course know that Catholics share this erroneous practice with the Orthodox Church.

I've never considered the number of people who hold to error as authoritative regarding that belief, but perhaps that is where we differ. In either regard, most Anglicans no longer adhere to the intercession of the Saints. The Anglican Church declared the practice misguided sometime in the 16th Century.

As for your numbers, approximately 30% of the Christian population is non-Anglican Protestant. When you add Anglicans to the mix, it's around 36%. So I think the more accurate percentage of Christians who don't adhere to such error is between 30-36% (or over a billion people).

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Praying to saints or to Mary means you believe they can hear your thoughts and prayers, a capacity only of the divine. Nowhere in scripture are we told to spiritually communicate with any entity except God/Jesus alone. The belief that Mary and saints have a level of omniscience and power that allows them to hear and accept prayers, and can effect results and blessings, and that each saint has "jurisdiction" over certain areas (healing, protection, fertility) is the same thing that the pagan world believed in their idols. How do you even know if these people are truly in heaven? Only God knows that. What if you're praying to someone in hell?

Making supplications via spiritual communication to any entity other than God is idolatry. Prayer is a form of worship. The practice is NOT taught by Jesus or his disciples, or believed and practiced by the early Christians. Nowhere in scripture is prayer to Mary or saints supported. Follow the infallible Word of God, not the fallible traditions of man.

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You are making a very Protestant and very Baptist argument against the practice.

An argument I of course agree with since I'm a low church Southern Baptist from East Texas…but 90% of Christian's on earth disagree and will continue to pray for the intercession of the Saints, Archangels, and Mary.

90% world Christians don't believe in just sola scriptura anyway.

They will continue to believe some version of what the Council of Trent said:

[The intercession of the saints. "Being more closely united to Christ, those who dwell in heaven fix the whole Church more firmly in holiness. ...They do not cease to intercede with the Father for us, as they proffer the merits which they acquired on earth through the one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus. ...So by their fraternal concern is our weakness greatly helped]

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Bishop Strickland is a true follower of Christ and this NWO charlatan pope doesnt like it. Cant have Bishop Strickland preaching the true word of Christ.

In his September missive, Strickland reiterated that Christ "is the only path to everlasting life" and that "no other path to salvation can be found." The bishop subsequently warned that some are attempting to "chip away or destroy altogether the Deposit of Faith" of the Catholic Church.

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Bishop Strickland is probably one of the most outspoken Bishops we have in the Church in America. We need many more like him. He is not afraid to preach truth.

He wasn't afraid of Covid or the lockdowns. He has displayed the monstrance at a busy intersection. He publicly denounces Fr. James Martin and the LGBTQ+ and gender ideologies.

I hope that Pope Frances and him can come to an accord.

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" not afraid of the Covid lockdown" simply proves he is not fit for office.

This hashing out of Catholic versus protestant, thinking on saints, is already in another thread. Please don't hack this one.