Doc Holliday said:

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It's really simple guys:

If you were an elitist ultra wealthy person, bank or corporation and your thirst for more money was never ending...you would figure out a way to achieve that without opposition.

Ex. Push for government healthcare. Market it as helping the poor and the middle class. Behind the scenes you rig the red tape to crush your competition and absorb all the market share. In the long run you have total control and you further bend the rules to crush the poor and middle class for more profit.

This is exactly what happened with Obamacare: consolidation of providers, corridor schemes and unnecessary red tape driving profit. Leftoids all championing it as if it was as godsend and completely blind to the financial racketeering. Congratulations you just avoided price reductions by eliminating market competition because you're so married to the concept of high taxes or government oversight = welfare.

Apply this same concept to damn near every government apparatus out there. That's what America has been dealing with for a very long time now. This is what neoliberal voters are blind to. They really don't have it in them to question these things. Your neolibs in DC know exactly what I've outlined and they pretend to be champions of the poor or middle class.

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All true.

Now try to persuade the millions of debt riddled single mothers out there , desperately looking for Mr Right # 4.
All they care about is short term relief in any form.

Dems know exactly how to manipulate their base. Been doing it since the 60's.

KaiBear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's really simple guys:

If you were an elitist ultra wealthy person, bank or corporation and your thirst for more money was never ending...you would figure out a way to achieve that without opposition.

Ex. Push for government healthcare. Market it as helping the poor and the middle class. Behind the scenes you rig the red tape to crush your competition and absorb all the market share. In the long run you have total control and you further bend the rules to crush the poor and middle class for more profit.

This is exactly what happened with Obamacare: consolidation of providers, corridor schemes and unnecessary red tape driving profit. Leftoids all championing it as if it was as godsend and completely blind to the financial racketeering. Congratulations you just avoided price reductions by eliminating market competition because you're so married to the concept of high taxes or government oversight = welfare.

Apply this same concept to damn near every government apparatus out there. That's what America has been dealing with for a very long time now. This is what neoliberal voters are blind to. They really don't have it in them to question these things. Your neolibs in DC know exactly what I've outlined and they pretend to be champions of the poor or middle class.

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All true.

Now try to persuade the millions of debt riddled single mothers out there , desperately looking for Mr Right # 4.
All they care about is short term relief in any form.

Dems know exactly how to manipulate their base. Been doing it since the 60's.

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They literally don't have the IQ to even understand. That in itself is beneficial to the elite, hence lack of education, lack of critical thinking and lack of skepticism in society.

People could read into this as conspiracy theory, but its really just conditioned behavior. The constant state of education is always downhill unless great measures are put in place...well they look the other way because its beneficial to look the other way.

Doc Holliday said:

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KaiBear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's really simple guys:

If you were an elitist ultra wealthy person, bank or corporation and your thirst for more money was never ending...you would figure out a way to achieve that without opposition.

Ex. Push for government healthcare. Market it as helping the poor and the middle class. Behind the scenes you rig the red tape to crush your competition and absorb all the market share. In the long run you have total control and you further bend the rules to crush the poor and middle class for more profit.

This is exactly what happened with Obamacare: consolidation of providers, corridor schemes and unnecessary red tape driving profit. Leftoids all championing it as if it was as godsend and completely blind to the financial racketeering. Congratulations you just avoided price reductions by eliminating market competition because you're so married to the concept of high taxes or government oversight = welfare.

Apply this same concept to damn near every government apparatus out there. That's what America has been dealing with for a very long time now. This is what neoliberal voters are blind to. They really don't have it in them to question these things. Your neolibs in DC know exactly what I've outlined and they pretend to be champions of the poor or middle class.

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All true.

Now try to persuade the millions of debt riddled single mothers out there , desperately looking for Mr Right # 4.
All they care about is short term relief in any form.

Dems know exactly how to manipulate their base. Been doing it since the 60's.

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They literally don't have the IQ to even understand. That in itself is beneficial to the elite, hence lack of education, lack of critical thinking and lack of skepticism in society.

People could read into this as conspiracy theory, but its really just conditioned behavior. The constant state of education is always downhill unless great measures are put in place...well they look the other way because its beneficial to look the other way.

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Sub 90 iq people cant govern themselves which is why they're being allowed to flood our country and become wards of the state.

muddybrazos said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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KaiBear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's really simple guys:

If you were an elitist ultra wealthy person, bank or corporation and your thirst for more money was never ending...you would figure out a way to achieve that without opposition.

Ex. Push for government healthcare. Market it as helping the poor and the middle class. Behind the scenes you rig the red tape to crush your competition and absorb all the market share. In the long run you have total control and you further bend the rules to crush the poor and middle class for more profit.

This is exactly what happened with Obamacare: consolidation of providers, corridor schemes and unnecessary red tape driving profit. Leftoids all championing it as if it was as godsend and completely blind to the financial racketeering. Congratulations you just avoided price reductions by eliminating market competition because you're so married to the concept of high taxes or government oversight = welfare.

Apply this same concept to damn near every government apparatus out there. That's what America has been dealing with for a very long time now. This is what neoliberal voters are blind to. They really don't have it in them to question these things. Your neolibs in DC know exactly what I've outlined and they pretend to be champions of the poor or middle class.

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All true.

Now try to persuade the millions of debt riddled single mothers out there , desperately looking for Mr Right # 4.
All they care about is short term relief in any form.

Dems know exactly how to manipulate their base. Been doing it since the 60's.

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They literally don't have the IQ to even understand. That in itself is beneficial to the elite, hence lack of education, lack of critical thinking and lack of skepticism in society.

People could read into this as conspiracy theory, but its really just conditioned behavior. The constant state of education is always downhill unless great measures are put in place...well they look the other way because its beneficial to look the other way.

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Sub 90 iq people cant govern themselves which is why they're being allowed to flood our country and become wards of the state.

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So these are not scientists and cold fusion researchers flooding our border?

In most countries immigration is limited to those who provide a skill or enough financial assets for the benefit of the host country.

However the Dems have a different agenda .

Mothra said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

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Considering the billions of dollars in debt we added to the national debt in just one week, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

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Give the House to Democrats and see

FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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Lmao. Man some really paranoid extremist thoughts there.

I manage my dad's port. He'd blow your hair back if you have any grandpa with his returns lmao

Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

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Considering the billions of dollars in debt we added to the national debt in just one week, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

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Oh, it can get worse...

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I guess we should just all take your word for it.

The unknown bogey man seems to always be worse than the bogey man you know.

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Well, I guess it depends. If you are independently wealthy and have no connection to Govt services, it may not be worse.

If you are working on a road project that requires Federal funding, you may be out of work until the sandbox dwellers are appeased. If you are flying, you may sit in an airport for hours. If you have food or produce that needs to be inspected, you may be throwing out food or going on the shelves with no inspection.

From a Financial perspective the Nation may lose credibility and the BRICS may actually get its legs under them while we are throwing tantrums.

So, yeah may not effect you or other well to do people on this site (funny how they are always the fiscal conservatives say shut it down). But there are a lot of people that are impacted, all the low-lives you guys thing should be cut off anyway.

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Actually, most of those services continue regardless of the shutdown. And workers are typically paid back pay. It's happened dozens of times throughout our country's history.

In short, it's not nearly as bad as you're trying to make it out to be.

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They get paid back, says it all from where you are coming... Hell, if they had better financial management they wouldn't be in a position where missing a paycheck or 2 hurts. Their fault. Accountability! Right...

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In most countries immigration is limited to those who provide a skill or enough financial assets for the benefit of the host country.

However the Dems have a different agenda .

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Something no one has yet explained is how are all the millions of low wage and low skill labor we are bringing in going to help the USA in the future?

We are now at the cusp of the AI age and the hyper-automation age.

Vast numbers of low skill jobs (say fast food) are going to be straight up eliminated in the future. And that future in many ways is already here.....its not coming in 20-30 years....its here now.

What are all these immigrants supposed to do?

(* ignore the politics of the video and focus on what it shows....even basic Chipotle jobs are about to go away)

Chipotle is testing this automation device.

Remember that if workers owned our workplaces all the profits would go to us, the worker-owners.

But under capitalism this tech just makes rich people richer while they cut jobs.pic.twitter.com/63NKPwllNl

— Stop Cop City (@JoshuaPHilll) October 4, 2023

Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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Nancy always made her crazies happy.

Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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I'd quibble with the use of the word "enforcing" but the larger boy issues this: there's not much disagreement between Dem leadership and DRM base. Leadership never reels in the Squad. They're always making outrageous statements. Leadership NEVER attacks them. Neither do any of the DRM establishments. Dems in swing districts are on their own. GOP, on the other hand, expects its conservatives to stifle in order to protect a handful of moderates. And the results speak for itself. Dems get their $2T deficits and GOP moderates hurl invective at any of their own who try to stop it. .

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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Make no mistake - Gaetz will NEVER be speaker. He's largely a pariah among the rank and file, whether that's justified or not.

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He has no interest in being Speaker. He wants to be Governor.

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You think so? I think he understands being a contrarian is easier than being a problem solver.

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As opposed to social justice warriors who burn and cancel over meaningless things…..

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Rawhide said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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Make no mistake - Gaetz will NEVER be speaker. He's largely a pariah among the rank and file, whether that's justified or not.

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He has no interest in being Speaker. He wants to be Governor.

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Of which State???

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Florida. It has the highest concentration of crazy people so he has a large base to work with.

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Florida pales in comparison to California in that regard.

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He won't win Florida. His powerbase Is in the Panhandle. His politics don't play as well further south.

Texas is saying another state has a large percent of crazy people? Texas?

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It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. The last brick thrower to leave the House and run for FL Gov did pretty well. Gaetz May do a lot better than you think.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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No. I prefer adults at the table to solve problems. Not the temper tantrum politics we have seen for the past decades. I don't care if it started with Obama and Obamacare or McConnell and SCOUS seat, but it has to stop. Trump made it worse and Biden upped it. Now we have whack jobs like AOC, Gaetz and Greene calling the shots! We have Trump throwing tantrums all over and the Dems indicting him left and right. It is both sides! It has to stop.

I am old enough to remember when we had real representation: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Dole, O'Neil they may have had flaws but were real administrators and were able to reach compromises to keep US above the rest of the world. Now, it is kindergarten.

You don't solve a 33 trillion budget debt by shutting down the Govt. The one thing we need is revenue to pay it off. You ain't cutting that much over the term you need. So these "Fiscal Conservatives" of disciplined spending for 30 years is a pipe dream. Keep this up and China or the EU will become the dominant financial power. They are already making moves. Changing the reserve currency, long shot for now, solves alot of their problems. But more of this ****, it won't be a long shot.

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Very reasonable, conventional thinking. The problem is, the adults to whic you refer have gotten us to $33T in debt with $2T annual budget deficits and 8% interest rates headed higher.

Until you address that conundrum, you will continue to agonize with cognitive dissonance.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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No. I prefer adults at the table to solve problems. Not the temper tantrum politics we have seen for the past decades. I don't care if it started with Obama and Obamacare or McConnell and SCOUS seat, but it has to stop. Trump made it worse and Biden upped it. Now we have whack jobs like AOC, Gaetz and Greene calling the shots! We have Trump throwing tantrums all over and the Dems indicting him left and right. It is both sides! It has to stop.

I am old enough to remember when we had real representation: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Dole, O'Neil they may have had flaws but were real administrators and were able to reach compromises to keep US above the rest of the world. Now, it is kindergarten.

You don't solve a 33 trillion budget debt by shutting down the Govt. The one thing we need is revenue to pay it off. You ain't cutting that much over the term you need. So these "Fiscal Conservatives" of disciplined spending for 30 years is a pipe dream. Keep this up and China or the EU will become the dominant financial power. They are already making moves. Changing the reserve currency, long shot for now, solves alot of their problems. But more of this ****, it won't be a long shot.

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Very reasonable, conventional thinking. The problem is, the adults to whic you refer have gotten us to $33T in debt with $2T annual budget deficits and 8% interest rates headed higher.

Until you address that conundrum, you will continue to agonize with cognitive dissonance.

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I don't really see a viable solution in the current climate. Do you?

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

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GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Because it stops way more than their "anti-American" agenda. Closing the Govt is a nuclear option, not a surgical one.

They are there to come to consensus and move the Nation forward, not just throw a tantrum and stop everything. They need to compromise, the Dems won the White House and Senate they will set the agenda. There may be some things that the HOR can get, but they are not getting done what you want.

Stunts like this only hurt the Party doing it in the long run. Following Gaetz, is not a smart move.

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From WSJ:

Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Very short sighted...

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Republicans can't govern and aren't happy in the majority

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Strange comment.

You should know that the House can't effectively govern when the Presidency and senate are controlled by the opposition party.

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So, to fix this we fire the Speaker? We increase the chances of a Democrat Speaker in 2024? Republicans in chaos puts them in a stronger position?

Wisdom is finite; ignorance is infinite

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Well, you said the same things about theater surrounding McCarthy's election, and today, the GOP leads in polling on all of the top ten issues, and it's leading POTUS candidate is ahead to Biden in the polls.

It is entirely possible that you are misreading the current landscape, too. (i.e. you are)

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You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

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Let's hear some of your views....

Should individuals have the right to listen to it's own citizens and set their own abortion laws?

Should law abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms?

Should Americans have the freedom to say what they want without being punished by the gov't?

Should private business, let's say a baker, have the right to refuse to create a cake for a gay couple?

Should biological men be allowed to identify as a girl and compete against other females in women's only sports?

Should public school be allowed to push gay pride in the classroom?

Should we keep sending money and arms to the Ukraine?

Do you support gov't mandated vaccine shots?

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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On old co-worker lives in DC and works for the government. It's funny, she's a liberal, but works for a Republican Senator (non-adviser role), but I guess she doesn't mind compromising her principles as long as she gets a paycheck.

Anyway, she loves it when the gov't shuts down. She gets a vacay and then gets back pay when they open back, and we all know that they always open back up

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

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GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Because it stops way more than their "anti-American" agenda. Closing the Govt is a nuclear option, not a surgical one.

They are there to come to consensus and move the Nation forward, not just throw a tantrum and stop everything. They need to compromise, the Dems won the White House and Senate they will set the agenda. There may be some things that the HOR can get, but they are not getting done what you want.

Stunts like this only hurt the Party doing it in the long run. Following Gaetz, is not a smart move.

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From WSJ:

Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Very short sighted...

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Republicans can't govern and aren't happy in the majority

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Strange comment.

You should know that the House can't effectively govern when the Presidency and senate are controlled by the opposition party.

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So, to fix this we fire the Speaker? We increase the chances of a Democrat Speaker in 2024? Republicans in chaos puts them in a stronger position?

Wisdom is finite; ignorance is infinite

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Well, you said the same things about theater surrounding McCarthy's election, and today, the GOP leads in polling on all of the top ten issues, and it's leading POTUS candidate is ahead to Biden in the polls.

It is entirely possible that you are misreading the current landscape, too. (i.e. you are)

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Maybe I am misreading; it wouldn't be the first time. But just maybe you are the one misreading the situation. You think Trump can't lose because a plurality of the "base" is devoted to him. I think he won't win because Republicans are doing everything to drive off independents. The next president will have done better with independents than his opponent. Democrats are cheering you on.

You guys (through Gaetz) probably made Jeffries Speaker in 2024. WSJ put it well:
Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Don't know if Frank is a "center-left", but I've met far too many "moderates" or "centrists" that are really left wingers. They think they're center because they believe anyone that's even one centimeter over to the right is extreme

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It's really simple guys:

If you were an elitist ultra wealthy person, bank or corporation and your thirst for more money was never ending...you would figure out a way to achieve that without opposition.

Ex. Push for government healthcare. Market it as helping the poor and the middle class. Behind the scenes you rig the red tape to crush your competition and absorb all the market share. In the long run you have total control and you further bend the rules to crush the poor and middle class for more profit.

This is exactly what happened with Obamacare: consolidation of providers, corridor schemes and unnecessary red tape driving profit. Leftoids all championing it as if it was as godsend and completely blind to the financial racketeering. Congratulations you just avoided price reductions by eliminating market competition because you're so married to the concept of high taxes or government oversight = welfare.

Apply this same concept to damn near every government apparatus out there. That's what America has been dealing with for a very long time now. This is what neoliberal voters are blind to. They really don't have it in them to question these things. Your neolibs in DC know exactly what I've outlined and they pretend to be champions of the poor or middle class.

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All true.

Now try to persuade the millions of debt riddled single mothers out there , desperately looking for Mr Right # 4.
All they care about is short term relief in any form.

Dems know exactly how to manipulate their base. Been doing it since the 60's.

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They literally don't have the IQ to even understand. That in itself is beneficial to the elite, hence lack of education, lack of critical thinking and lack of skepticism in society.

People could read into this as conspiracy theory, but its really just conditioned behavior. The constant state of education is always downhill unless great measures are put in place...well they look the other way because its beneficial to look the other way.

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Sub 90 iq people cant govern themselves which is why they're being allowed to flood our country and become wards of the state.

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So these are not scientists and cold fusion researchers flooding our border?

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Could be future NFL Hall of Famers?

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In most countries immigration is limited to those who provide a skill or enough financial assets for the benefit of the host country.

However the Dems have a different agenda .

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Something no one has yet explained is how are all the millions of low wage and low skill labor we are bringing in going to help the USA in the future?

We are now at the cusp of the AI age and the hyper-automation age.

Vast numbers of low skill jobs (say fast food) are going to be straight up eliminated in the future. And that future in many ways is already here.....its not coming in 20-30 years....its here now.

What are all these immigrants supposed to do?

(* ignore the politics of the video and focus on what it shows....even basic Chipotle jobs are about to go away)

Chipotle is testing this automation device.

Remember that if workers owned our workplaces all the profits would go to us, the worker-owners.

But under capitalism this tech just makes rich people richer while they cut jobs.pic.twitter.com/63NKPwllNl

— Stop Cop City (@JoshuaPHilll) October 4, 2023

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Cook the food?

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In most countries immigration is limited to those who provide a skill or enough financial assets for the benefit of the host country.

However the Dems have a different agenda .

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Something no one has yet explained is how are all the millions of low wage and low skill labor we are bringing in going to help the USA in the future?

We are now at the cusp of the AI age and the hyper-automation age.

Vast numbers of low skill jobs (say fast food) are going to be straight up eliminated in the future. And that future in many ways is already here.....its not coming in 20-30 years....its here now.

What are all these immigrants supposed to do?

(* ignore the politics of the video and focus on what it shows....even basic Chipotle jobs are about to go away)

Chipotle is testing this automation device.

Remember that if workers owned our workplaces all the profits would go to us, the worker-owners.

But under capitalism this tech just makes rich people richer while they cut jobs.pic.twitter.com/63NKPwllNl

— Stop Cop City (@JoshuaPHilll) October 4, 2023

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so.. how do the workers get to where they own the work place?

Min wage workers dont typically just own companies after grad high school

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In most countries immigration is limited to those who provide a skill or enough financial assets for the benefit of the host country.

However the Dems have a different agenda .

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Something no one has yet explained is how are all the millions of low wage and low skill labor we are bringing in going to help the USA in the future?

We are now at the cusp of the AI age and the hyper-automation age.

Vast numbers of low skill jobs (say fast food) are going to be straight up eliminated in the future. And that future in many ways is already here.....its not coming in 20-30 years....its here now.

What are all these immigrants supposed to do?

(* ignore the politics of the video and focus on what it shows....even basic Chipotle jobs are about to go away)

Chipotle is testing this automation device.

Remember that if workers owned our workplaces all the profits would go to us, the worker-owners.

But under capitalism this tech just makes rich people richer while they cut jobs.pic.twitter.com/63NKPwllNl

— Stop Cop City (@JoshuaPHilll) October 4, 2023

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so.. how do the workers get to where they own the work place?

Min wage workers dont typically just own companies after grad high school

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Vote. Ask the government to step up its game and confiscate entire businesses and turn over ownership to people who know squat about running a business. The ultimate wealth transfer for votes scheme.

Note to Democrats: this is sarcasm not an instruction manual.

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From WSJ:

Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Very short sighted...

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Republicans can't govern and aren't happy in the majority

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Strange comment.

You should know that the House can't effectively govern when the Presidency and senate are controlled by the opposition party.

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So, to fix this we fire the Speaker? We increase the chances of a Democrat Speaker in 2024? Republicans in chaos puts them in a stronger position?

Wisdom is finite; ignorance is infinite

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Well, you said the same things about theater surrounding McCarthy's election, and today, the GOP leads in polling on all of the top ten issues, and it's leading POTUS candidate is ahead to Biden in the polls.

It is entirely possible that you are misreading the current landscape, too. (i.e. you are)

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Maybe I am misreading; it wouldn't be the first time. But just maybe you are the one misreading the situation. You think Trump can't lose because a plurality of the "base" is devoted to him.
Geez, without the strawman you have no manhood at all. I have never made the "can't lose" argument; I have made the "he can win" argument in response to your argument that he can't.

I think he won't win because Republicans are doing everything to drive off independents. The next president will have done better with independents than his opponent. Democrats are cheering you on.
You are making that up to fit your feelings. Most of the recent polling I've posted actually shows Trump ahead with independents.


You guys (through Gaetz) probably made Jeffries Speaker in 2024. WSJ put it well:
Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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LOL the GOP majority is neither weaker nor stronger. The numbers haven't changed. Now, the caucus is a different question. We were not weak because we had a small handful of reps demanding outrageous things like regular order for budgeting. We were weak because we had a weak speaker, who only lasted 9 months before crapping out on all of his promises. The next speaker will likely be more cautious. In one respect, that is because they've seen McCarthy's putt and can get a better read on the green. But mostly it's because both Scalise and Jordan (red-state Republicans) are quite a bit more conservative than McCarthy (a blue state Republican). They have more equity with the conservatives in Congress. Scalise (still the favorite, I suspect) will have lost some trust just because he was one of "McCarthy's men," while Jordan will be seen by the GOP centrists as a risky choice. I would prefer Jordan, but am not going to quibble either way. EIther will be an improvement. And either way, I suspect Byron Donalds will ascend into the leadership lineup, particularly if Scalise wins. He's a comer.

We will most definitely be better off without McCarthy. The Boehner regime is finally gone. And you are engaging in wishful thinking if you think the speaker change is going to be a factor in House races next fall.

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Let's hear some of your views....

Should individuals have the right to listen to it's own citizens and set their own abortion laws?

Is this worded correctly? Abortion is divisive enough to be left to individual states IMO

Should law abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms?

Yes, but agree with common sense background checks, certain age restrictions.

Should Americans have the freedom to say what they want without being punished by the gov't?

Yes, but if you make a credible threat online (saying you're going to shoot up a specific school/church that is down your street with a M15, post pictures of said M15 with tons of ammo) then I believe the government has a duty to investigate and prevent threat from happening.

Should private business, let's say a baker, have the right to refuse to create a cake for a gay couple?

The baker would have to provide the same services to the gay couple as a straight couple when it comes to selling premade cakes/pastries, but that stops when it comes to custom made cakes as that would violate their freedom of expression. This is how the court ruled in the specific case you're alluding to. To put simply, you can make them sell you a cake, but you can't force them to put whatever you want on the cake.

Should biological men be allowed to identify as a girl and compete against other females in women's only sports?

No. Definitely not in publicly funded orgs (high schools, public universities), I guess private orgs can do that if they want.

Should public school be allowed to push gay pride in the classroom?

No, but I don't think a gay teacher should have to hide the fact that they're gay to students. If highschool students want to organize a gay club I think that's fine.

Should we keep sending money and arms to the Ukraine?

Yes

Do you support gov't mandated vaccine shots?

In general, yes, I don't think most people have a problem with the shots kids have to get before going to grade school or the bacterial meningitis shots college kids have to get. For COVID specifically not currently unless maybe you work in a nursing home or hospital.

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As someone that flips from center right to center left on specific issues I'll answer.

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Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Very short sighted...

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Republicans can't govern and aren't happy in the majority

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Strange comment.

You should know that the House can't effectively govern when the Presidency and senate are controlled by the opposition party.

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So, to fix this we fire the Speaker? We increase the chances of a Democrat Speaker in 2024? Republicans in chaos puts them in a stronger position?

Wisdom is finite; ignorance is infinite

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Well, you said the same things about theater surrounding McCarthy's election, and today, the GOP leads in polling on all of the top ten issues, and it's leading POTUS candidate is ahead to Biden in the polls.

It is entirely possible that you are misreading the current landscape, too. (i.e. you are)

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Maybe I am misreading; it wouldn't be the first time. But just maybe you are the one misreading the situation. You think Trump can't lose because a plurality of the "base" is devoted to him.
Geez, without the strawman you have no manhood at all. I have never made the "can't lose" argument; I have made the "he can win" argument in response to your argument that he can't.

I think he won't win because Republicans are doing everything to drive off independents. The next president will have done better with independents than his opponent. Democrats are cheering you on.
You are making that up to fit your feelings. Most of the recent polling I've posted actually shows Trump ahead with independents.


You guys (through Gaetz) probably made Jeffries Speaker in 2024. WSJ put it well:
Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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LOL the GOP majority is neither weaker nor stronger. The numbers haven't changed. Now, the caucus is a different question. We were not weak because we had a small handful of reps demanding outrageous things like regular order for budgeting. We were weak because we had a weak speaker, who only lasted 9 months before crapping out on all of his promises. The next speaker will likely be more cautious. In one respect, that is because they've seen McCarthy's putt and can get a better read on the green. But mostly it's because both Scalise and Jordan (red-state Republicans) are quite a bit more conservative than McCarthy (a blue state Republican). They have more equity with the conservatives in Congress. Scalise (still the favorite, I suspect) will have lost some trust just because he was one of "McCarthy's men," while Jordan will be seen by the GOP centrists as a risky choice. I would prefer Jordan, but am not going to quibble either way. EIther will be an improvement. And either way, I suspect Byron Donalds will ascend into the leadership lineup, particularly if Scalise wins. He's a comer.

We will most definitely be better off without McCarthy. The Boehner regime is finally gone. And you are engaging in wishful thinking if you think the speaker change is going to be a factor in House races next fall.

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You defend every bad actor in the Republican Party: Gaetz, Trump, Paxton. You see Sen Menendez's legal problems as an opportunity for Republicans, but you ignore the substantial legal problems incurred by your boys.

The day of Mr. McCarthy's ouster, Sen. Mullin of Oklahoma, who served in the House with Mr. Gaetz, told CNN that when accusations surfaced in the now-concluded Justice Department probe involving Mr. Gaetz and a 17-year-old girl, "there's a reason why no one in the Congress came and defended him." The reason? "We had all seen the videos he was showing on the House floor," of women with whom he claimed to have had intimate relations.

There are 221 Republicans in the House, and only eight of them voted with all the Democrats, to remove the speaker. You side with the 4% against 96% of Republicans

You sided with 25% of Republicans in the Texas House against the 75% who voted to impeach Paxton.

Even Mark Levin shot Gaetz down: "But Marxist Democrats unanimously backed you, moron." He suggested Mr. Gaetz should vacate his own seat after his "shameless serial lies to conservatives."

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You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

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Let's hear some of your views....

Should individuals have the right to listen to it's own citizens and set their own abortion laws?

Is this worded correctly? Abortion is divisive enough to be left to individual states IMO

Should law abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms?

Yes, but agree with common sense background checks, certain age restrictions.

Should Americans have the freedom to say what they want without being punished by the gov't?

Yes, but if you make a credible threat online (saying you're going to shoot up a specific school/church that is down your street with a M15, post pictures of said M15 with tons of ammo) then I believe the government has a duty to investigate and prevent threat from happening.

Should private business, let's say a baker, have the right to refuse to create a cake for a gay couple?

The baker would have to provide the same services to the gay couple as a straight couple when it comes to selling premade cakes/pastries, but that stops when it comes to custom made cakes as that would violate their freedom of expression. This is how the court ruled in the specific case you're alluding to. To put simply, you can make them sell you a cake, but you can't force them to put whatever you want on the cake.

Should biological men be allowed to identify as a girl and compete against other females in women's only sports?

No. Definitely not in publicly funded orgs (high schools, public universities), I guess private orgs can do that if they want.

Should public school be allowed to push gay pride in the classroom?

No, but I don't think a gay teacher should have to hide the fact that they're gay to students. If highschool students want to organize a gay club I think that's fine.

Should we keep sending money and arms to the Ukraine?

Yes

Do you support gov't mandated vaccine shots?

In general, yes, I don't think most people have a problem with the shots kids have to get before going to grade school or the bacterial meningitis shots college kids have to get. For COVID specifically not currently unless maybe you work in a nursing home or hospital.

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As someone that flips from center right to center left on specific issues I'll answer.

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I appreciate your response and thought out answers.


Here's my thoughts:

Abortion: Not in the constitution as a guaranteed right. Referring to the 10th amendment, It belongs to the states. Especially since it's such a divisive issue, it's best left up to the people of each individual state. That's the beauty of America, we're not a nation, we're a union of sovereign states. If you live in a state where you don't like their law, you have the freedom to move to another state. Don't need permission, don't need a visa.

Private Businesses: Should have the right to choose who they want or don't want to do business with. The free market will decide if that business succeeds or not. I'm for freedom. I don't smoke, but even restaurants should have the freedom to decide if they allow smoking in their establishment or not. If they do, they should inform the public with a notice on the front door. Once again, the free market will decide if that restaurant survives or not.

Guns: Everyone should own one and carry it at all times.

Trans: I agree with you. And your right, private business/orgs should be allowed to make their own bathroom policy. They should probably be required to post a notice on the door if they allow men in women's rooms. Let the potential customer make an informed decision if they want to do business with that establishment.

Gay in Schools: I tend to agree with you. I think schools should leave current social issues outside the classroom. Students are there to learn science, math, reading, etc.... There should be no "flags" in the classroom that belong to social agendas or movements or religions. No BLM flag, no gay pride, no confederate, no Christian, no muslim, no etc..... Only flags needed are state and country. Save social issues for higher education, not 2nd, 3rd, etc... grades.

Ukraine: We shouldn't be sending arms and money to Ukraine. They are not a member of NATO. Europe needs to step up for it's neighbor. As long at the USA is funneling billions, the other nations will back off and not send as much. USA needs to stop being the world's police. Also, we need to stop feeding the military industrial complex thirst for war.

Vaccines: I'm on the fence. No for COVID, but to be consistent, I should be no for school vaccines, but honestly don't have a problem with it. Maybe because they're not new and they're proven.

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You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

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Let's hear some of your views....

Should individuals have the right to listen to it's own citizens and set their own abortion laws?

Is this worded correctly? Abortion is divisive enough to be left to individual states IMO

Should law abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms?

Yes, but agree with common sense background checks, certain age restrictions.

Should Americans have the freedom to say what they want without being punished by the gov't?

Yes, but if you make a credible threat online (saying you're going to shoot up a specific school/church that is down your street with a M15, post pictures of said M15 with tons of ammo) then I believe the government has a duty to investigate and prevent threat from happening.

Should private business, let's say a baker, have the right to refuse to create a cake for a gay couple?

The baker would have to provide the same services to the gay couple as a straight couple when it comes to selling premade cakes/pastries, but that stops when it comes to custom made cakes as that would violate their freedom of expression. This is how the court ruled in the specific case you're alluding to. To put simply, you can make them sell you a cake, but you can't force them to put whatever you want on the cake.

Should biological men be allowed to identify as a girl and compete against other females in women's only sports?

No. Definitely not in publicly funded orgs (high schools, public universities), I guess private orgs can do that if they want.

Should public school be allowed to push gay pride in the classroom?

No, but I don't think a gay teacher should have to hide the fact that they're gay to students. If highschool students want to organize a gay club I think that's fine.

Should we keep sending money and arms to the Ukraine?

Yes

Do you support gov't mandated vaccine shots?

In general, yes, I don't think most people have a problem with the shots kids have to get before going to grade school or the bacterial meningitis shots college kids have to get. For COVID specifically not currently unless maybe you work in a nursing home or hospital.

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As someone that flips from center right to center left on specific issues I'll answer.

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I appreciate your response and thought out answers.


Here's my thoughts:

Abortion: Not in the constitution as a guaranteed right. Referring to the 10th amendment, It belongs to the states. Especially since it's such a divisive issue, it's best left up to the people of each individual state. That's the beauty of America, we're not a nation, we're a union of sovereign states. If you live in a state where you don't like their law, you have the freedom to move to another state. Don't need permission, don't need a visa.

Private Businesses: Should have the right to choose who they want or don't want to do business with. The free market will decide if that business succeeds or not. I'm for freedom. I don't smoke, but even restaurants should have the freedom to decide if they allow smoking in their establishment or not. If they do, they should inform the public with a notice on the front door. Once again, the free market will decide if that restaurant survives or not.

Guns: Everyone should own one and carry it at all times.

Trans: I agree with you. And your right, private business/orgs should be allowed to make their own bathroom policy. They should probably be required to post a notice on the door if they allow men in women's rooms. Let the potential customer make an informed decision if they want to do business with that establishment.

Gay in Schools: I tend to agree with you. I think schools should leave current social issues outside the classroom. Students are there to learn science, math, reading, etc.... There should be no "flags" in the classroom that belong to social agendas or movements or religions. No BLM flag, no gay pride, no confederate, no Christian, no muslim, no etc..... Only flags needed are state and country. Save social issues for higher education, not 2nd, 3rd, etc... grades.

Ukraine: We shouldn't be sending arms and money to Ukraine. They are not a member of NATO. Europe needs to step up for it's neighbor. As long at the USA is funneling billions, the other nations will back off and not send as much. USA needs to stop being the world's police. Also, we need to stop feeding the military industrial complex thirst for war.

Vaccines: I'm on the fence. No for COVID, but to be consistent, I should be no for school vaccines, but honestly don't have a problem with it. Maybe because they're not new and they're proven.

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Entirely reasonable post. Only one point of contention. And that is the implicit false premise that Ukraine is Europe's problem (and by extension not ours). That is not entirely true. Thanks to Nato, we are a part of Europe, too. What affects them, affects us (thanks to Article 5). If it is in their interest to help Ukraine (and it is), it is also in our interest to do so, if for no other reason than an eminently practical one = to have influence over policies which, if imprudently done, could spark actions which would trigger Article 5 obligations. As long as we are in Nato, any time Europe needs to act, we need to act with them......as we will share the consequences of said actions.

Today is Ashli Babbitt's birthday. She was murdered.

Kevin refused to watch the footage of her murder, and even praised her murderer.

Kevin McCarthy LIES and says he's already released the J6 footage.

Our own Roger Farina won't let Kevin off the hook. pic.twitter.com/EvhsPMvsng

— National File (@NationalFile) October 10, 2023

🚨BREAKING: @Jim_Jordan is aiming to schedule a floor vote on his bid to be speaker for TUESDAY.

55 House Rs said they wouldnt vote for him on the floor, but allies been working to shrink that all weekend. But it's a very, very steep climb.

JORDAN is intent on putting ppl on…

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 15, 2023

Cobretti said:

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🚨BREAKING: @Jim_Jordan is aiming to schedule a floor vote on his bid to be speaker for TUESDAY.

55 House Rs said they wouldnt vote for him on the floor, but allies been working to shrink that all weekend. But it's a very, very steep climb.

JORDAN is intent on putting ppl on…

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 15, 2023

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Jordan is not getting SOH. 55! On GOP side. He is done. Get someone that can win. A Trumpite is not getting it.

FLBear5630 said:

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Cobretti said:

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🚨BREAKING: @Jim_Jordan is aiming to schedule a floor vote on his bid to be speaker for TUESDAY.

55 House Rs said they wouldnt vote for him on the floor, but allies been working to shrink that all weekend. But it's a very, very steep climb.

JORDAN is intent on putting ppl on…

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 15, 2023

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Jordan is not getting SOH. 55! On GOP side. He is done. Get someone that can win. A Trumpite is not getting it.

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Arent you always carrying on about compromise and such? These 55 need to compromise and ask Jordan to do them some favors. Mccarthy flipped MTG into a rino by promising her committee positions and she became his b*tch.

muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Cobretti said:

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🚨BREAKING: @Jim_Jordan is aiming to schedule a floor vote on his bid to be speaker for TUESDAY.

55 House Rs said they wouldnt vote for him on the floor, but allies been working to shrink that all weekend. But it's a very, very steep climb.

JORDAN is intent on putting ppl on…

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 15, 2023

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Jordan is not getting SOH. 55! On GOP side. He is done. Get someone that can win. A Trumpite is not getting it.

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Arent you always carrying on about compromise and such? These 55 need to compromise and ask Jordan to do them some favors. Mccarthy flipped MTG into a rino by promising her committee positions and she became his b*tch.

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It is amazing how quickly she moderated.