House Removes Kevin McCarthy as Speaker

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whiterock
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ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.


You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.
As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.


As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.
It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.
Class warfare isn't the problem. Identity warfare is the problem. (along with Democrat abandonment of an extensive list of basic social contract responsibilities.) Dems have adopted identity politics; that leaves the class politics lane wide open. We should take it. Identity is a construct. Class is real. Doesn't matter what are your gonads/pronouns, you still need a job, car, etc..... "son, we are arguing about things that do not matter...."

The GOP is becoming a multi-racial working class party. That will involve different issues and dynamics than the typical college educated GOP'er (like us here) are accustomed to. But none of them are incompatible with Reagan-esque notions of balanced budgets, strong national defense, and religious liberty. Quite the opposite. All you have to do is come to terms with a more rhetorically muscular style of politics than what you are accustomed to. And that starts with cutting deals FIRST with the people on your own side, and sticking with them thru thick & thin.

never fight your base.
If you win, you get a smaller party....weaker.
If you lose, well.....you lose.


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whiterock said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.


You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.
As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.


As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.
It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.
Class warfare isn't the problem. Identity warfare is the problem. (along with Democrat abandonment of an extensive list of basic social contract responsibilities.) Dems have adopted identity politics; that leaves the class politics lane wide open. We should take it. Identity is a construct. Class is real. Doesn't matter what are your gonads/pronouns, you still need a job, car, etc..... "son, we are arguing about things that do not matter...."

The GOP is becoming a multi-racial working class party. That will involve different issues and dynamics than the typical college educated GOP'er (like us here) are accustomed to. But none of them are incompatible with Reagan-esque notions of balanced budgets, strong national defense, and religious liberty. Quite the opposite. All you have to do is come to terms with a more rhetorically muscular style of politics than what you are accustomed to. And that starts with cutting deals FIRST with the people on your own side, and sticking with them thru thick & thin.

never fight your base.
If you win, you get a smaller party....weaker.
If you lose, well.....you lose.





The GOP has to win elections. If Gaetz and Greene are the power brokers, GOP just lost the moderates. Acts like this will ensure Dems stay in full control. McCarthy kept the Nation operating, Gaetz shutting down the Govt, holding his breath and stomping his feet is not going to help 24 election. GOP seems to forget they are outnumbered at the polls...
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.


You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.
As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.


As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.
It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.
Class warfare isn't the problem. Identity warfare is the problem. (along with Democrat abandonment of an extensive list of basic social contract responsibilities.) Dems have adopted identity politics; that leaves the class politics lane wide open. We should take it. Identity is a construct. Class is real. Doesn't matter what are your gonads/pronouns, you still need a job, car, etc..... "son, we are arguing about things that do not matter...."

The GOP is becoming a multi-racial working class party. That will involve different issues and dynamics than the typical college educated GOP'er (like us here) are accustomed to. But none of them are incompatible with Reagan-esque notions of balanced budgets, strong national defense, and religious liberty. Quite the opposite. All you have to do is come to terms with a more rhetorically muscular style of politics than what you are accustomed to. And that starts with cutting deals FIRST with the people on your own side, and sticking with them thru thick & thin.

never fight your base.
If you win, you get a smaller party....weaker.
If you lose, well.....you lose.





The GOP has to win elections. If Gaetz and Greene are the power brokers, GOP just lost the moderates. Acts like this will ensure Dems stay in full control. McCarthy kept the Nation operating, Gaetz shutting down the Govt, holding his breath and stomping his feet is not going to help 24 election. GOP seems to forget they are outnumbered at the polls...
Nah. Don't buy the narrative that the success of the Conservative movement is at mortal risk due to rhetoric of noisy conservative back-benchers. They were noisy long before today and we gained house seats in the last two election cycles. Under-performance was about the abortion issue, not rhetoric in the House.

Letting crazies run amok never hurts Democrats. Helps them. Normalizes positions which, today, will not fit thru the Overton Window. 20 years ago, the gay marriage issue was crackpottery electorial suicide. Today, look where we are. Dems let their crazies go, and they moved the needle.

Cannot emphasize how wrong Republicans are when they insist our rabble-rousers are our biggest problem. It's the opposite. Our biggest problem is leadership that doesn't understand how to leverage the loud-mouths.

Never fight with your base. It is lose-lose at every turn.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?
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How many GOP districts are like this? (somewhere between a third and a half....)


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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.


You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.
As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.


As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.
It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.
Class warfare isn't the problem. Identity warfare is the problem. (along with Democrat abandonment of an extensive list of basic social contract responsibilities.) Dems have adopted identity politics; that leaves the class politics lane wide open. We should take it. Identity is a construct. Class is real. Doesn't matter what are your gonads/pronouns, you still need a job, car, etc..... "son, we are arguing about things that do not matter...."

The GOP is becoming a multi-racial working class party. That will involve different issues and dynamics than the typical college educated GOP'er (like us here) are accustomed to. But none of them are incompatible with Reagan-esque notions of balanced budgets, strong national defense, and religious liberty. Quite the opposite. All you have to do is come to terms with a more rhetorically muscular style of politics than what you are accustomed to. And that starts with cutting deals FIRST with the people on your own side, and sticking with them thru thick & thin.

never fight your base.
If you win, you get a smaller party....weaker.
If you lose, well.....you lose.





The GOP has to win elections. If Gaetz and Greene are the power brokers, GOP just lost the moderates. Acts like this will ensure Dems stay in full control. McCarthy kept the Nation operating, Gaetz shutting down the Govt, holding his breath and stomping his feet is not going to help 24 election. GOP seems to forget they are outnumbered at the polls...
Nah. Don't buy the narrative that the success of the Conservative movement is at mortal risk due to rhetoric of noisy conservative back-benchers. They were noisy long before today and we gained house seats in the last two election cycles. Under-performance was about the abortion issue, not rhetoric in the House.

Letting crazies run amok never hurts Democrats. Helps them. Normalizes positions which, today, will not fit thru the Overton Window. 20 years ago, the gay marriage issue was crackpottery electorial suicide. Today, look where we are. Dems let their crazies go, and they moved the needle.

Cannot emphasize how wrong Republicans are when they insist our rabble-rousers are our biggest problem. It's the opposite. Our biggest problem is leadership that doesn't understand how to leverage the loud-mouths.

Never fight with your base. It is lose-lose at every turn.
Watch how this plays out. The GOP is letting a someone under investigation for ethics violations, far right wing call the shots. That is not going to end well. You will see Gaetz speech all election season that the GOP has no idea what they are doing and can't be trusted to govern. This is going to end bad for the GOP, it was bad enough with just Trump. This shows the whack-jobs have control of the GOP and there are NO adults in the room. Watch how this plays out.

Or, you can run to your polls that are showing you exactly what you want to see. Funny, I thought about your posts during an AI presentation yesterday. I was saying that with AI what data they show me I am good with, it is what they are not showing me that scares me. We are being corralled in a direction the Dems want us to go. Sorry, have no faith in polls, seen too many polls, surveys and models just be wrong. 24 is going to be a blood bath for the GOP...
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whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
Mitch Blood Green
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Hey Rock,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/10/03/matt-gaetz-republicans-kevin-mccarthy/
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Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
Nancy wouldn't. Remember when AOC was Gaetz? Nancy met one on one and no AOC-**** since...
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Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.


McCarthy would still be speaker if he had done as promised. The only reason McCarthy ever got the gavel was because he and those same eight had some agreements. The person who did not honor those agreements lost his title.
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.


McCarthy would still be speaker if he had done as promised. The only reason McCarthy ever got the gavel was because he and those same eight had some agreements. The person who did not honor those agreements lost his title.
Yet Gaetz and his 8 were the ones that blew up the deals to get the promises kept. McCarthy had the appropriations done, the Freedom Coalition blew them up. This was personal to get the Ethics investigation derailed by Gaetz.
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KaiBear said:

Doc Holliday said:




Childish behavior by the acting speaker of the house.

House Republicans need to get over their collective butt hurt and stop acting like kindergarteners.


Ah you're a democrat.
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FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.


McCarthy would still be speaker if he had done as promised. The only reason McCarthy ever got the gavel was because he and those same eight had some agreements. The person who did not honor those agreements lost his title.
Yet Gaetz and his 8 were the ones that blew up the deals to get the promises kept. McCarthy had the appropriations done, the Freedom Coalition blew them up. This was personal to get the Ethics investigation derailed by Gaetz.


Appropriations was done but was not as agreed.
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.


McCarthy would still be speaker if he had done as promised. The only reason McCarthy ever got the gavel was because he and those same eight had some agreements. The person who did not honor those agreements lost his title.
Yet Gaetz and his 8 were the ones that blew up the deals to get the promises kept. McCarthy had the appropriations done, the Freedom Coalition blew them up. This was personal to get the Ethics investigation derailed by Gaetz.


Appropriations was done but was not as agreed.
There are realities to negotiations. You can't shut the Country down. GOP has a 4 seat majority, you don't have a mandate to push an agenda. Freedom caucus is acting like they have a 65 seat advantage. It has to be coalition. Especially, when you can't count on your Party.
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whiterock said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.


You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.
As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.


As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.
It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.
Class warfare isn't the problem. Identity warfare is the problem. (along with Democrat abandonment of an extensive list of basic social contract responsibilities.) Dems have adopted identity politics; that leaves the class politics lane wide open. We should take it. Identity is a construct. Class is real. Doesn't matter what are your gonads/pronouns, you still need a job, car, etc..... "son, we are arguing about things that do not matter...."

The GOP is becoming a multi-racial working class party. That will involve different issues and dynamics than the typical college educated GOP'er (like us here) are accustomed to. But none of them are incompatible with Reagan-esque notions of balanced budgets, strong national defense, and religious liberty. Quite the opposite. All you have to do is come to terms with a more rhetorically muscular style of politics than what you are accustomed to. And that starts with cutting deals FIRST with the people on your own side, and sticking with them thru thick & thin.

never fight your base.
If you win, you get a smaller party....weaker.
If you lose, well.....you lose.



Identity is a mechanism of class warfare. It's ultimately grievance politics built around some social or cultural link with "elites" of some type the "enemy".

The GOPs problem isn't the advent of a multi racial or multi economic status support base. It's the fissure created by the incoherent strategy of "anti-Washington" everything and personality populism.
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boognish_bear said:

Everyone is getting their resumes together


this list isnt terrible but mostly a pipe dream
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FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.


McCarthy would still be speaker if he had done as promised. The only reason McCarthy ever got the gavel was because he and those same eight had some agreements. The person who did not honor those agreements lost his title.
Yet Gaetz and his 8 were the ones that blew up the deals to get the promises kept. McCarthy had the appropriations done, the Freedom Coalition blew them up. This was personal to get the Ethics investigation derailed by Gaetz.


Appropriations was done but was not as agreed.
There are realities to negotiations. You can't shut the Country down. GOP has a 4 seat majority, you don't have a mandate to push an agenda. Freedom caucus is acting like they have a 65 seat advantage. It has to be coalition. Especially, when you can't count on your Party.


The country is just fine when the government shuts down. That is part of our collective problem is we think the government is more important than it really is. The government could stand a real solid dose of what the corporate world euphemistically calls restructuring.

The government could just pretend a cold virus is being passed around and tell FedGov to Stay At Home; Save Lives.
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who thought for a moment the government would shut down..its a power play by DC idiots to provoke fear into people who rely on Government for pay.
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KaiBear said:

Doc Holliday said:




Childish behavior by the acting speaker of the house.

House Republicans need to get over their collective butt hurt and stop acting like kindergarteners.


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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.


McCarthy would still be speaker if he had done as promised. The only reason McCarthy ever got the gavel was because he and those same eight had some agreements. The person who did not honor those agreements lost his title.
Yet Gaetz and his 8 were the ones that blew up the deals to get the promises kept. McCarthy had the appropriations done, the Freedom Coalition blew them up. This was personal to get the Ethics investigation derailed by Gaetz.


Appropriations was done but was not as agreed.
There are realities to negotiations. You can't shut the Country down. GOP has a 4 seat majority, you don't have a mandate to push an agenda. Freedom caucus is acting like they have a 65 seat advantage. It has to be coalition. Especially, when you can't count on your Party.


The country is just fine when the government shuts down. That is part of our collective problem is we think the government is more important than it really is. The government could stand a real solid dose of what the corporate world euphemistically calls restructuring.

The government could just pretend a cold virus is being passed around and tell FedGov to Stay At Home; Save Lives.
Yeah, right...
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Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
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Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
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"The Dems are much better at policing their fringe elements than the Repubs"

Fixed that one for you. Y'all had a chance to nip the extremists in the bud, several actually, but turned away from it every time. Now your party is being led around in the House by an extremist zealot who pays 17yr olds for sex.
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FLBear5630 said:

Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.
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FLBear5630
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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.
You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.
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FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.
You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.


When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.
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HuMcK said:

"The Dems are much better at policing their fringe elements than the Repubs"

Fixed that one for you. Y'all had a chance to nip the extremists in the bud, several actually, but turned away from it every time. Now your party is being led around in the House by an extremist zealot who pays 17yr olds for sex.
Not really. The Squad's politics isn't fringe anymore in your party. It's largely mainstream, now, as you guys have embraced wokeism. It's why you guys have people like Manchin and Sinnema leaving the party. And it has caused more than a few headaches and revolts. Think about all the press conferences and political stunts those yahoos have had over the years.

The difference is Nancy was a master at enforcing conformity among the ranks. She would get them to toe the party line, thru threats and intimidation, it appears. It was always party above beliefs.
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FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.
You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.
Make no mistake - Gaetz will NEVER be speaker. He's largely a pariah among the rank and file, whether that's justified or not.
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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.
You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.


When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.
It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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Cobretti said:


This will be fun.
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FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.
You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.


When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.
It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.


On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.
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FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mothra said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.
LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?


So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.
True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.
They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.
Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.
You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.


When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.
It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.


I was told the house controls the purse strings. This isnt about Trump. IF Mccarthey had held up any part of the bargain he made to be speaker then he still would be the speaker.
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Cobretti said:

KaiBear said:

Doc Holliday said:




Childish behavior by the acting speaker of the house.

House Republicans need to get over their collective butt hurt and stop acting like kindergarteners.



Good point.

Had forgotten about her little stunt.
( one of many )




OK, kick her ass out of the office.
 
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