Rawhide said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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Make no mistake - Gaetz will NEVER be speaker. He's largely a pariah among the rank and file, whether that's justified or not.

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He has no interest in being Speaker. He wants to be Governor.

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Of which State???

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Florida. It has the highest concentration of crazy people so he has a large base to work with.

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Florida pales in comparison to California in that regard.

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He won't win Florida. His powerbase Is in the Panhandle. His politics don't play as well further south.

Texas is saying another state has a large percent of crazy people? Texas?

Rawhide said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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Make no mistake - Gaetz will NEVER be speaker. He's largely a pariah among the rank and file, whether that's justified or not.

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He has no interest in being Speaker. He wants to be Governor.

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Of which State???

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Florida. It has the highest concentration of crazy people so he has a large base to work with.

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Florida pales in comparison to California in that regard.

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Very true and very sad….California is one of the most beautiful places on earth and with one of the best climates.

It's like combining some of the coolest things about the Texas hill country, mountains of Colorado, and the southwest deserts of Arizona…but then giving it a mostly Mediterranean climate with low humidity and beaches.

Man it's nice….

It's painful what they have done to it

I will vote for the first Republican who promises to build this on the Rio Grande pic.twitter.com/C8BMsMF26e

— The Middle-earth Mixer (@MiddleearthMixr) October 4, 2023

GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

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GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

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Lots of pro establishment shills on the forums lately.

They can't stand when people are fed up with DC.

Doc Holliday said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

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Lots of pro establishment shills on the forums lately.

They can't stand when people are fed up with DC.

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What I'm learning is there are a lot of people out there who can not understand the difference between the American State and the American Nation.

To many D.C. and the regime inside it IS America

Mitch Blood Green said:

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How hilarious would it be if the Republicans elected Donald Trump to be Speaker of the House? It is a possibility. Liberal heads would explode across the country! It would be beautiful. Blue states might declare a State of Emergency and collapse to the fetal position. FEMA would be called in to help them recover from the tsunami of tears from Leftist grief and Conservative laughter.

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GOP rules says he's ineligible.

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Not sure that is true. It appears the Speaker can be someone completely outside of politics.

If this is a GOP rule and not a congressional rule, I see no reason why the GOP can't change the rules. I really don't have any idea.

I like Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise since we don't have a black transgender disabled military veteran available. Am worried about Steve Scalise's health.

FLBear5630 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

Make no mistake - Gaetz will NEVER be speaker. He's largely a pariah among the rank and file, whether that's justified or not.

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He has no interest in being Speaker. He wants to be Governor.

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Of which State???

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Florida. It has the highest concentration of crazy people so he has a large base to work with.

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Florida pales in comparison to California in that regard.

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He won't win Florida. His powerbase Is in the Panhandle. His politics don't play as well further south.

Texas is saying another state has a large percent of crazy people? Texas?

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Never said he would win Florida. Didn't even suggest it.

Rawhide said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

Make no mistake - Gaetz will NEVER be speaker. He's largely a pariah among the rank and file, whether that's justified or not.

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He has no interest in being Speaker. He wants to be Governor.

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Of which State???

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Florida. It has the highest concentration of crazy people so he has a large base to work with.

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Florida pales in comparison to California in that regard.

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He won't win Florida. His powerbase Is in the Panhandle. His politics don't play as well further south.

Texas is saying another state has a large percent of crazy people? Texas?

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Never said he would win Florida. Didn't even suggest it.

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Geez, he would be a nightmare as Gov... Hey, knowing FL Dems they will run Crist again or someone else that is a retread...

Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Because it stops way more than their "anti-American" agenda. Closing the Govt is a nuclear option, not a surgical one.

They are there to come to consensus and move the Nation forward, not just throw a tantrum and stop everything. They need to compromise, the Dems won the White House and Senate they will set the agenda. There may be some things that the HOR can get, but they are not getting done what you want.

Stunts like this only hurt the Party doing it in the long run. Following Gaetz, is not a smart move.

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From WSJ:

Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Very short sighted...

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Republicans can't govern and aren't happy in the majority

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Strange comment.

You should know that the House can't effectively govern when the Presidency and senate are controlled by the opposition party.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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How hilarious would it be if the Republicans elected Donald Trump to be Speaker of the House? It is a possibility. Liberal heads would explode across the country! It would be beautiful. Blue states might declare a State of Emergency and collapse to the fetal position. FEMA would be called in to help them recover from the tsunami of tears from Leftist grief and Conservative laughter.

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GOP rules says he's ineligible.

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Not sure that is true. It appears the Speaker can be someone completely outside of politics.

If this is a GOP rule and not a congressional rule, I see no reason why the GOP can't change the rules. I really don't have any idea.

I like Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise since we don't have a black transgender disabled military veteran available. Am worried about Steve Scalise's health.

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GOP rules say a person under indictment for a felony facing greater than 2 years are not eligible to hold a leadership position.

I guess they could change their rules. They are the party of law and order.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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How hilarious would it be if the Republicans elected Donald Trump to be Speaker of the House? It is a possibility. Liberal heads would explode across the country! It would be beautiful. Blue states might declare a State of Emergency and collapse to the fetal position. FEMA would be called in to help them recover from the tsunami of tears from Leftist grief and Conservative laughter.

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GOP rules says he's ineligible.

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Not sure that is true. It appears the Speaker can be someone completely outside of politics.

If this is a GOP rule and not a congressional rule, I see no reason why the GOP can't change the rules. I really don't have any idea.

I like Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise since we don't have a black transgender disabled military veteran available. Am worried about Steve Scalise's health.

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GOP rules say a person under indictment for a felony facing greater than 2 years are not eligible to hold a leadership position.

I guess they could change their rules. They are the party of law and order.

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Sadly, neither party seems to be particularly interested in holding their leaders to any particular legal or ethical standards.

HuMcK said:

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"The Dems are much better at policing their fringe elements than the Repubs"

Fixed that one for you. Y'all had a chance to nip the extremists in the bud, several actually, but turned away from it every time. Now your party is being led around in the House by an extremist zealot who pays 17yr olds for sex.

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When your agenda is already extreme, what's to police? How far apart do you actually think AOC and the Biden admin are?

FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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How hilarious would it be if the Republicans elected Donald Trump to be Speaker of the House? It is a possibility. Liberal heads would explode across the country! It would be beautiful. Blue states might declare a State of Emergency and collapse to the fetal position. FEMA would be called in to help them recover from the tsunami of tears from Leftist grief and Conservative laughter.

---

GOP rules says he's ineligible.

---

Not sure that is true. It appears the Speaker can be someone completely outside of politics.

If this is a GOP rule and not a congressional rule, I see no reason why the GOP can't change the rules. I really don't have any idea.

I like Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise since we don't have a black transgender disabled military veteran available. Am worried about Steve Scalise's health.

---

GOP rules say a person under indictment for a felony facing greater than 2 years are not eligible to hold a leadership position.

I guess they could change their rules. They are the party of law and order.

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Right now, no Republican in Congress could be accused or convicted of having a "leadership position." The Republicans have no leadership. The Speaker spot is wide open.

Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

---

It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

---

On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

---

They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

---

With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

---

They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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How is a refusal to represent voters a policy and how is that not anti-American?

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McCarthy had been re-elected by large margins for decades. Apparently those voters don't count with you?

GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

---

It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

---

On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

---

They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

---

With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

---

They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

---

Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

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You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

Frank Galvin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

---

It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

---

On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

---

They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

---

With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

---

They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

---

Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

---

You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

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In fairness, every person that thinks they hold "center-left" views in reality does not believe in science, think the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter's laptop was fake, and wants to give Ukraine and Iran billions as well as things post-birth abortion should be legal via federal legislation. There is no such think as a center-leftists because the Nazi-Staasi purged them all.

Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

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GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

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You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

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In fairness, every person that thinks they hold "center-left" views in reality does not believe in science, think the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter's laptop was fake, and wants to give Ukraine and Iran billions as well as things post-birth abortion should be legal via federal legislation. There is no such think as a center-leftists because the Nazi-Staasi purged them all.

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WTH? You can't be that dumb.

Frank Galvin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

---

It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

---

On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

---

They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

---

With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

---

They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

---

Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

---

You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American.

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It is enough. The left is anti American. Your party booed the Boy Scouts and it has only gotten worse from there.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

---

It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

---

On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

---

They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

---

With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

---

They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

---

Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

---

You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

---

You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

---

In fairness, every person that thinks they hold "center-left" views in reality does not believe in science, think the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter's laptop was fake, and wants to give Ukraine and Iran billions as well as things post-birth abortion should be legal via federal legislation. There is no such think as a center-leftists because the Nazi-Staasi purged them all.

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+ 1

Left of center values killed our future through religious devotion to abortion.

FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

---

LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

---

So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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Matt Gaetz on fire:

"If this country's going down, and if we're losing the dollar, I'm going down fighting. And I don't care if that means fighting Republicans, Democrats, the Uniparty, the leadership, the PACs, the lobbyists. I've had it." pic.twitter.com/Y4HqH2OLQ3

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) October 3, 2023

Wow, what an extremist. The boomers you support got us in this mess and are perfectly fine watching the whole thing go down in flames.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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No. I prefer adults at the table to solve problems. Not the temper tantrum politics we have seen for the past decades. I don't care if it started with Obama and Obamacare or McConnell and SCOUS seat, but it has to stop. Trump made it worse and Biden upped it. Now we have whack jobs like AOC, Gaetz and Greene calling the shots! We have Trump throwing tantrums all over and the Dems indicting him left and right. It is both sides! It has to stop.

I am old enough to remember when we had real representation: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Dole, O'Neil they may have had flaws but were real administrators and were able to reach compromises to keep US above the rest of the world. Now, it is kindergarten.

You don't solve a 33 trillion budget debt by shutting down the Govt. The one thing we need is revenue to pay it off. You ain't cutting that much over the term you need. So these "Fiscal Conservatives" of disciplined spending for 30 years is a pipe dream. Keep this up and China or the EU will become the dominant financial power. They are already making moves. Changing the reserve currency, long shot for now, solves alot of their problems. But more of this ****, it won't be a long shot.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

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Considering the billions of dollars in debt we added to the national debt in just one week, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

---

Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

---

There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

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Considering the billions of dollars in debt we added to the national debt in just one week, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

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Oh, it can get worse...

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muddybrazos said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

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GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Because it stops way more than their "anti-American" agenda. Closing the Govt is a nuclear option, not a surgical one.

They are there to come to consensus and move the Nation forward, not just throw a tantrum and stop everything. They need to compromise, the Dems won the White House and Senate they will set the agenda. There may be some things that the HOR can get, but they are not getting done what you want.

Stunts like this only hurt the Party doing it in the long run. Following Gaetz, is not a smart move.

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From WSJ:

Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Very short sighted...

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Republicans can't govern and aren't happy in the majority

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Strange comment.

You should know that the House can't effectively govern when the Presidency and senate are controlled by the opposition party.

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So, to fix this we fire the Speaker? We increase the chances of a Democrat Speaker in 2024? Republicans in chaos puts them in a stronger position?

Wisdom is finite; ignorance is infinite

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

---

True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

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Considering the billions of dollars in debt we added to the national debt in just one week, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

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Oh, it can get worse...

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I guess we should just all take your word for it.

The unknown bogey man seems to always be worse than the bogey man you know.

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

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Considering the billions of dollars in debt we added to the national debt in just one week, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

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Oh, it can get worse...

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I guess we should just all take your word for it.

The unknown bogey man seems to always be worse than the bogey man you know.

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Well, I guess it depends. If you are independently wealthy and have no connection to Govt services, it may not be worse.

If you are working on a road project that requires Federal funding, you may be out of work until the sandbox dwellers are appeased. If you are flying, you may sit in an airport for hours. If you have food or produce that needs to be inspected, you may be throwing out food or going on the shelves with no inspection.

From a Financial perspective the Nation may lose credibility and the BRICS may actually get its legs under them while we are throwing tantrums.

So, yeah may not effect you or other well to do people on this site (funny how they are always the fiscal conservatives say shut it down). But there are a lot of people that are impacted, all the low-lives you guys thing should be cut off anyway.

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

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You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

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GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Because it stops way more than their "anti-American" agenda. Closing the Govt is a nuclear option, not a surgical one.

They are there to come to consensus and move the Nation forward, not just throw a tantrum and stop everything. They need to compromise, the Dems won the White House and Senate they will set the agenda. There may be some things that the HOR can get, but they are not getting done what you want.

Stunts like this only hurt the Party doing it in the long run. Following Gaetz, is not a smart move.

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From WSJ:

Meanwhile, the House is essentially frozen. The putative GOP majority is weaker, and its ability to gain any policy victories has been undermined. Oversight of the Biden Administration will slow or stop. Republicans in swing districts who are vulnerable in 2024 will be especially wary of trusting the Gaetz faction, and regaining any unity of purpose will be that much harder. The crazy left and right are cheering, but no one else is.

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Very short sighted...

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Republicans can't govern and aren't happy in the majority

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Strange comment.

You should know that the House can't effectively govern when the Presidency and senate are controlled by the opposition party.

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So, to fix this we fire the Speaker? We increase the chances of a Democrat Speaker in 2024? Republicans in chaos puts them in a stronger position?

Wisdom is finite; ignorance is infinite

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You are moving the 'goalposts'.

Initially claiming House Republicans were incapable of governing when it should be obvious to anyone the House can't govern without cooperation of the Senate and President . With those aspects of government under the control of the opposition party it's silly to blame Republicans for the gridlock.

Now you merely insinuate that those who point out such obvious realities are ignorant.

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

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They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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The US added - checks notes - $275 billion in debt in, uh, ONE DAY

Total US debt is now $33.442 trillion, hit $33 trillion just 2 weeks ago, and on pace to rise by $1 trillion in 1 month.

WTF is going onhttps://t.co/tOrhqmkFXL pic.twitter.com/w3qnBAIfLh

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) October 3, 2023

When does this change? IF Mccarthey had done single item bills or even denied some Ukraine funding to get the border closed he would still be speaker.

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It changes when the GOP controls the Executive Branch again and set the direction. We are running that buffoon Trump again! Even if he wins nothing gets done because he will be defending from attacks and churning through Staff. He may get some Executive Orders through after they end up in Court.

You want to break the cycle, get a GOP candidate that can win AND Govern. Trump and the Freedom Caucus ain't it.

As for the debt, Trump played just as much a role in it than the Dems.

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On one hand you criticize the GOP for its infighting and eating their own and on the other, you participate in the same endeavor.

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They keep shooting themselves in the feet! Sort of hard not to as they have screwed up every step of the road since 2016! McConnell holding SCOUS slot was highlight!

Trump - Had both houses and didn't get anything done
Ryan - Didn't work with Trump
Trump - Screwing up and being impeached twice!
Trump - COVID giving in and closing the Nation
Jan 6th
Now, removing their own Speaker

It has been a clown show of individuals who are more interested in PodCasts and making points than Governing.

---

GOP retaining power and setting cruise control on the status quo is bad. Not having radical change is bad. The normalization of what GOP has done for decades is bad.

McCarthy:
- Blocked the subpoena to Hunter Biden
- Sold us out on the debt ceiling
- Didn't secure the border
- Didn't release the Jan6 tapes
- Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents
- Refuses to hold anyone accountable
- Keeps voting with Democrats

This is unacceptable behavior and removing him is a step against the above.

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With a 4-vote majority, that can't vote for ANYTHING in block, who and how are they going to accomplish those things?

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They already weren't accomplishing things…

If this jams up Congress for a year and they can't get their anti-American agenda done then what's the problem?

Maybe the new speaker furthers the goals of the GOP whose fed up with the system, or maybe it furthers the system, either way, you need to put your cards down to at least try: that's better than accepting defeat.

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Policies I don't agree with="Anti-American Agenda."

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You are anti-American. Not a single policy you support has ever worked or benefited the country. So the opposite of the policies you champion would, by definition be American.

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You know zero about me other than I hold center-left views. And that is enough in your mind to call me anti-American. Just really sad to see a mind that small.

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Your views are radical in comparison to traditional American values and they are the status quo.

Center left means you despise traditional libertarian values which is the ONLY definition of true American values.

You favor the new world order of globalism, high taxes, extreme regulation, centralized media, centralized government, more rules, more power to the feds etc. All while being blind to the financial racketeering being carried out through those avenues. Blind because its marketed as compassion and you buy into it without looking at the consequences or where the money is going.

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The real issue is that had McCarthy been "Speaker of the House," not "Speaker of the Republican House", he'd still have the job. 8 Republicans is not enough to expel him but it is enough for 212 or so Republicans to see they don't have a voice unless they take back control in a bipartisan fashion.

I see "Trump for Speaker" folks. Are there 217 Republicans for this? I don't see it. I can see 10 Republicans + Dems for Jeffries or Dems + 35 Republicans for someone like Lawler.

I can see a discharge petition that brings a budget to the floor that gets Ukraine funding and a bipartisan budget without far right representatives.

All this glee only works if Republicans remain nonpartisan. As soon as some start working with their countrymen, all this goes away.

I agree with Gaetz that McCarthy isn't trustworthy. But he removed him without a plan.

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LOL (gasp) O Lord, please help me! (can't breathe)....

on what issue, pray tell, was Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the WHOLE house?

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So, Rock, help me understand why there wasn't more than 8 Republicans voting to remove McCarthy. You're in the civil war, why is the winning side significantly smaller than the losing side?

I sense Nancy would have never had this problem.

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True. The Dems are much better at enforcing conformity than the Repubs. Always have been.

---

They get it. They do a better job of knowing how to play the system and convincing all their members. GOP gets caught up in making Statements, as they are losing the Nation to the Dems. Gaetz actually thinks he did something good.

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Gaetz did do something good. IF Gaetz doesnt do this then nothing ever changes. Rinos like Mccarthey need to realize that the voters have had enough of this say one thing then do same old business as usual crap. Status quo republicanism is not an option any more.

---

You think it's going to change??? Even if Gaetz is the Speaker, it doesn't change a thing. He will still have to work with the Dems (who control Exec and Senate) with a 4 seat advantage, with the factions in the GOP is no advantage. There is ZERO chance of change and decapitating your Party mid-stream set the GOP back this whole cycle. Dems are going to run rampant.

Who is going to get the Speakership? Who has the votes? Emmer has cancer. Scalise? He is McCarthy 2.
Jordan? Yeah, a far right Freedom Caucus person will get the votes??? McHenry, he is too busy making seating charts, he won't get the votes. That idiot Greene is calling for Trump.

Gaetz and his cronies decapitated the GOP with no alternative or plan. You guys who think this is good have no idea how it works and have idealistic dreams of no Government in a connected small world. Shut it down and see how strong the US stays in the world.

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There's some funny stuff here. Government has been shut down nearly 30 times the last 40 years.

Imagine how powerful usa would be if only that hadn't happened!….nearly 30 times

What a missed opportunity

I guess if one nerds out on this stuff it is super scary and oh yeah the shut down was maybe 20% of "the government"

Without a complicit media we'd have riots daily in the street for what Biden abs the socialists have floated on this country. Everyone's kids are fkd

Enjoy that $5 gas That $3,000 a month House payment plus taxed plus $2500 a year insurance

That ****** whipping it out in front of your kids tomapplause from the democrats and media

Getting a fake vaccine and ones wife's F'd up menstrual cycle and miscarriages

And a $14 sandwich at Jason's deli

Lmao Democrats

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Geez, MAGA extremist are worse. Did you buy your freeze dried food for the culture wars coming? Off the grid, using a library computer to make sure Big Brother isn't tracking you??? F-ing extremist cause more problems for the rest of us that actually keep the Nation moving.

It doesn't have to be catastrophic to be bad. A shut down is bad, it cost about 6 billion a day, disrupts peoples lives and deteriorates trade. It impacts the cost of money (ask your Dad's finance guy what that means) and hurts the dollar. It is not a game to cover a pedophiles ethics investigation or a temper tantrum by 8 people.

This is what they mean that we need some adults in the room. You may understand that when you grow up

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So, you prefer the status quo, which has worked so well?

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Well, "how much worse can it get?" is sometimes answered by "A lot. It can get a lot worse."

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Considering the billions of dollars in debt we added to the national debt in just one week, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

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Oh, it can get worse...

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I guess we should just all take your word for it.

The unknown bogey man seems to always be worse than the bogey man you know.

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Well, I guess it depends. If you are independently wealthy and have no connection to Govt services, it may not be worse.

If you are working on a road project that requires Federal funding, you may be out of work until the sandbox dwellers are appeased. If you are flying, you may sit in an airport for hours. If you have food or produce that needs to be inspected, you may be throwing out food or going on the shelves with no inspection.

From a Financial perspective the Nation may lose credibility and the BRICS may actually get its legs under them while we are throwing tantrums.

So, yeah may not effect you or other well to do people on this site (funny how they are always the fiscal conservatives say shut it down). But there are a lot of people that are impacted, all the low-lives you guys thing should be cut off anyway.

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Actually, most of those services continue regardless of the shutdown. And workers are typically paid back pay. It's happened dozens of times throughout our country's history.

In short, it's not nearly as bad as you're trying to make it out to be.

It's really simple guys:

If you were an elitist ultra wealthy person, bank or corporation and your thirst for more money was never ending...you would figure out a way to achieve that without opposition.

Ex. Push for government healthcare. Market it as helping the poor and the middle class. Behind the scenes you rig the red tape to crush your competition and absorb all the market share. In the long run you have total control and you further bend the rules to crush the poor and middle class for more profit.

This is exactly what happened with Obamacare: consolidation of providers, corridor schemes and unnecessary red tape driving profit. Leftoids all championing it as if it was as godsend and completely blind to the financial racketeering. Congratulations you just avoided price reductions by eliminating market competition because you're so married to the concept of high taxes or government oversight = welfare.

Apply this same concept to damn near every government apparatus out there. That's what America has been dealing with for a very long time now. This is what neoliberal voters are blind to. They really don't have it in them to question these things. Your neolibs in DC know exactly what I've outlined and they pretend to be champions of the poor or middle class.