Netanyahu said "we are at war,"

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EatMoreSalmon
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BearN said:

I just saw this, presumably from yesterday




Maybe they won't even taunt Israel a second time.
historian
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Excellent article:

https://stream.org/giving-up-the-occupied-territories-is-not-the-solution Giving Up the 'Occupied Territories' is Not the Solution
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EatMoreSalmon said:

BearN said:

I just saw this, presumably from yesterday




Maybe they won't even taunt Israel a second time.


Everyone has big privates until the aircraft carriers get going your way.
Redbrickbear
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historian said:

Excellent article:

https://stream.org/giving-up-the-occupied-territories-is-not-the-solution Giving Up the 'Occupied Territories' is Not the Solution


And Israel can not sustain an expensive military occupation over millions of Palestinians forever.


["You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians," he said Monday.

Those were stunning words from the longtime hawk and backer of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza.

"It can't continue endlessly," Ariel Sharon said. "Do you want to stay forever in Jenin, in Nablus, in Ramallah, in Bethlehem? I don't think that's right]


https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/
Jacques Strap
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FLBear5630
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Redbrickbear said:




Arabs brought all of this on themselves. Check out the original UN map in 48. It was more than fair to both sides and had Jerusalem as an international city. If the Arabs didn't keep attacking Israel they would have their State. They can't get past destroying the Jews, their racism is creating this mess.


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FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:




Arabs brought all of this on themselves. Check out the original UN map in 48. It was more than fair to both sides and had Jerusalem as an international city. If the Arabs didn't keep attacking Israel they would have their State. They can't get past destroying the Jews, their racism is creating this mess.





Yep
whitetrash
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Jacques Strap said:




Reminiscent of when the Marines were after Manuel Noriega, who sought asylum in the Vatican embassy in Panama. So they blasted Barry Manilow at full volume 24/7 until he surrendered.
nein51
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That's a 20 year old interview and they seem to have done fine.

Also, let's not pretend Sharon was not a huge part of the problem. Google Sharon Streets. Awful rich of him to condemn much of anything.
nein51
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Copa or I Write the Songs?

It was Mandy. Had to have been
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whitetrash said:

Jacques Strap said:




Reminiscent of when the Marines were after Manuel Noriega, who sought asylum in the Vatican embassy in Panama. So they blasted Barry Manilow at full volume 24/7 until he surrendered.

I think it was heavy metal, not Copacabana & Mandy!
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nein51 said:

That's a 20 year old interview and they seem to have done fine.


I can't image the situation has improved.

Not only does it seem just as violent a conflict (if not more so) instead of 3 million Palestinians (West Bank-Gaza) living under their control it's now more like 5.5 million

That can't make the occupation more sustainable.

But I do love the idea that Israel ultras behind their computer screens are more confident of an endless Israeli military occupation than the long time general and Israeli hawkish leader of the country.

Sharon just did not know what they know lol
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Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Excellent article:

https://stream.org/giving-up-the-occupied-territories-is-not-the-solution Giving Up the 'Occupied Territories' is Not the Solution


And Israel can not sustain an expensive military occupation over millions of Palestinians forever.


["You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians," he said Monday.

Those were stunning words from the longtime hawk and backer of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza.

"It can't continue endlessly," Ariel Sharon said. "Do you want to stay forever in Jenin, in Nablus, in Ramallah, in Bethlehem? I don't think that's right]


https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/


I can't believe you're going to make me reference "context" again. He said this in support of a peace plan that he and Abbas agreed to. But, guess what, Hamas kept committing terrorist acts and tubed the deal. His point was that the peace deal was better than the status quo. Again, every Israeli PM has said that same thing. But unfortunately, thanks to Hamas and its supporters, the choice ia not between status quo and peace plan but rather, it's between status quo and even worse terror. Sharon would have supported the former.
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sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Excellent article:

https://stream.org/giving-up-the-occupied-territories-is-not-the-solution Giving Up the 'Occupied Territories' is Not the Solution


And Israel can not sustain an expensive military occupation over millions of Palestinians forever.


["You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians," he said Monday.

Those were stunning words from the longtime hawk and backer of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza.

"It can't continue endlessly," Ariel Sharon said. "Do you want to stay forever in Jenin, in Nablus, in Ramallah, in Bethlehem? I don't think that's right]


https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/


I can't believe you're going to make me reference "context" again. He said this in support of a peace plan that he and Abbas agreed to. But, guess what, Hamas kept committing terrorist acts and tubed the deal. His point was that the peace deal was better than the status quo. Again, every Israeli PM has said that same thing. But unfortunately, thanks to Hamas and its supporters, the choice ia not between status quo and peace plan but rather, it's between status quo and even worse terror. Sharon would have supported the former.
I can't believe you still have the patience to respond to him anymore. I've given up and gloss over his drivel.
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sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Excellent article:

https://stream.org/giving-up-the-occupied-territories-is-not-the-solution Giving Up the 'Occupied Territories' is Not the Solution


And Israel can not sustain an expensive military occupation over millions of Palestinians forever.


["You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians," he said Monday.

Those were stunning words from the longtime hawk and backer of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza.

"It can't continue endlessly," Ariel Sharon said. "Do you want to stay forever in Jenin, in Nablus, in Ramallah, in Bethlehem? I don't think that's right]


https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/


I can't believe you're going to make me reference "context" again. He said this in support of a peace plan that he and Abbas agreed to. But, guess what, Hamas kept committing terrorist acts...


1. Sharon's over all point stands and you can't argue against it because you simply don't have the expertise in the subject matter.

He was a former General and PM of the country and knew well that an endless occupation of millions of people is NOT sustainable.

You…Joe jerk off with no military or economic experience…thinks it is

Sharon was about as hawkish as they come and yet you make him look like a ultra dove

2. You leave out the fact that the more radical factions in Israel (yes there are some people far far more extreme than Sharon there) are more than happy to have Hamas in power…since it helps cement the conflict.

No need for peace talks if a literally terrorist group is in power

Jack Bauer
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How lovely...

Redbrickbear
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Jack Bauer said:

How lovely...





Are Boomers just now realizing that the mass immigration of 3rd world peoples has cultural and political consequences?


For all you IDF supporters I hope the cheap labor was worth it…because American policy on this conflict is going to switch hard over the next 40-50 years as the native voting block dies out and is replaced


sombear
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Redbrickbear said:

sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Excellent article:

https://stream.org/giving-up-the-occupied-territories-is-not-the-solution Giving Up the 'Occupied Territories' is Not the Solution


And Israel can not sustain an expensive military occupation over millions of Palestinians forever.


["You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians," he said Monday.

Those were stunning words from the longtime hawk and backer of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza.

"It can't continue endlessly," Ariel Sharon said. "Do you want to stay forever in Jenin, in Nablus, in Ramallah, in Bethlehem? I don't think that's right]


https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/


I can't believe you're going to make me reference "context" again. He said this in support of a peace plan that he and Abbas agreed to. But, guess what, Hamas kept committing terrorist acts...


1. Sharon's over all point stands and you can't argue against it because you simply don't have the expertise in the subject matter.

He was a former General and PM of the country and knew well that an endless occupation of millions of people is NOT sustainable.

You…Joe jerk off with no military or economic experience…thinks it is

Sharon was about as hawkish as they come and yet you make him look like a ultra dove

2. You leave out the fact that the more radical factions in Israel (yes there are some people far far more extreme than Sharon there) are more than happy to have Hamas in power…since it helps cement the conflict.

No need for peace talks if a literally terrorist group is in power




Joe jerk off? I didn't know we were making this personal.

But, regardless, my post was solely about his quote. The article itself and everything going on at that time make it unmistakable what he meant, which was no different than what any of his predecessors or successors have said. Sharon even later explained himself. The status quo is not good. I haven't seen anyone argue that it is.

I said Sharon was a dove? What? Far from it.
Jack Bauer
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When you are "anti-Israel hostages being saved..."

Whiskey Pete
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historian said:

Yep

I prefer not to describe the modern Left as "liberal" because it does not describe them. The classical definition of liberal is supporter of individual liberty & moral responsibility, limited government, free markets, rule of law, etc. Our modern Left is the opposite of all that. To be honest, the most accurate label for them is fascist.
1,000% correct!
Redbrickbear
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Jack Bauer said:

When you are "anti-Israel hostages being saved..."




Not many upsides to this vicious tribal conflict…but if it does open the eyes of some Americans to the increasingly radical nature of American universities then will have at least one positive.


BearN
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Redbrickbear said:

sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Excellent article:

https://stream.org/giving-up-the-occupied-territories-is-not-the-solution Giving Up the 'Occupied Territories' is Not the Solution


And Israel can not sustain an expensive military occupation over millions of Palestinians forever.


["You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians," he said Monday.

Those were stunning words from the longtime hawk and backer of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza.

"It can't continue endlessly," Ariel Sharon said. "Do you want to stay forever in Jenin, in Nablus, in Ramallah, in Bethlehem? I don't think that's right]


https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/


I can't believe you're going to make me reference "context" again. He said this in support of a peace plan that he and Abbas agreed to. But, guess what, Hamas kept committing terrorist acts...


1. Sharon's over all point stands and you can't argue against it because you simply don't have the expertise in the subject matter.

He was a former General and PM of the country and knew well that an endless occupation of millions of people is NOT sustainable.

You…Joe jerk off with no military or economic experience…thinks it is

Sharon was about as hawkish as they come and yet you make him look like a ultra dove

2. You leave out the fact that the more radical factions in Israel (yes there are some people far far more extreme than Sharon there) are more than happy to have Hamas in power…since it helps cement the conflict.

No need for peace talks if a literally terrorist group is in power




this is what you want to coddle. Your Arab butt buddies surrounding Israel created this mess, not Israel.


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Not sure how anyone can call Israel colonizers outside of the Jebusites, and not sure they have a big lobbying group.

I generally do not get how anyone can defend a group that beheads babies, rapes and murders innocent women, and takes hostages.

If the Palestinians are so bad ass, why does no one in the world want them?
Redbrickbear
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Harrison Bergeron said:



If the Palestinians are so bad ass, why does no one in the world want them?


Our government does…and the progressive immigration groups they are in bed with





Harrison Bergeron
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There are a lot of Arab countries that would be a better fit for them.
BearN
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What this country needs is 1,000,000 more sociopaths.
Redbrickbear
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Jack Bauer said:

How lovely...





It was an honest mistake…no one could have know


KaiBear
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Guess who is the congresswoman representing Dearborn Michigan in Washington DC.
Redbrickbear
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Meet the new speaker…same as the old speaker



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Jack Bauer
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I would venture Jordan and Egypt know these people a lot better than we do and their intuition is probably right.

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boognish_bear said:


When Hamas uses its own people as human shields....
ron.reagan
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Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
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Redbrickbear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:



If the Palestinians are so bad ass, why does no one in the world want them?


Our government does…and the progressive immigration groups they are in bed with






Red
Haily did not advocate taking in 1 million Gazans, Can't tell if you were trying to say she did, but the links you included seem to say that she did
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ron.reagan said:

Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.
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