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All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
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I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Israel is an ethnostate and there's no doubt about that.
Do you know that Arabs are citizens and also members of the Knesset?
1. Arab citizens account for 21% of the Israeli population...yet they only have a handful of seats in the 120 Member Knesset. I have always been interested in how they draw those seats since you would think they would have more like 25 Arab legislators.
But anyway....just interesting note. They are allowed to stand for election and there are some Arab members of the Knesset.
2. The presence of a large minority within a ethno-State of course would not negate the fact that it is an ethno-State...or at least was intended to be an Ethno-State.
Some people claim that Arab citizens are not treated the same within Israel as are Jewish citizens. That is harder for me to determine if its true...but some do make that claim.
[The political goal of Zionism was to engineer a demographic shift in Palestine, making the minority Jewish population (which was just 7.6 percent in 1914) a majority through massive Jewish immigration and settlement building and the expulsion of the Palestinians.
...contrary to modern liberal thinking,
in Israel, citizenship and nationality are two separate, independent concepts. In other words, Israel is not the state of its citizens, but the state of the Jewish people. Thus Palestinians in Israel have Israeli passports but they do not have rights equal to those of Jewish citizens.
With the
new "nation-state law", Palestinians in Israel are now considered "native aliens" or foreigners in their own homeland, because Israel is defined by its law as " the historical homeland of the Jewish people" i.e. not the state of all of its citizens. This is the direct result of Zionism and its ideology of racism.
It is also the direct result of prevailing undemocratic sentiments among Israel's Jews. The contradiction between professed ideals and actual behavior, which has been the engine of political change in many places around the world, does not exist in Israel because the democratic creed, or civic democracy, is absent in Israeli society.
There is no promise of equality for all citizens in Israeli political culture and praxis. And there is no tradition of civil liberties in Israel because such a tradition is incompatible with Zionism.
While South Africa's apartheid used race to determine citizenship, the state of Israel uses religious identification to determine citizenship. Just as apartheid South Africa made laws criminalizing free movement of blacks on their ancestral land, Israel controls every aspect of Palestinians' lives through a military occupation infrastructure composed of checkpoints, Jewish-only settlements and roads, and the Wall, combined with a web of legal regulations.]
[The law does three big things:
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It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."It establishes Hebrew as Israel's official language, and downgrades Arabic a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis to a "special status.It establishes "Jewish settlement as a national value" and mandates that the state "will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development."[/ol]Each of these statements would be contentious on its own, but taken together, they're a clear, unequivocal statement of how the Jewish state's current leaders see both the country and the diverse people who call it home.]
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracyhttps://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/7/22/israel-has-finally-come-out-as-an-ethno-religious-state
