Wrong all the way around. Arab Israelis have the exact same right and privileges as citizens that Israeli Jews do. Period. End of story.
The law you cite is basically a Hebrew language law, much like the "English official language" law Trump and his kind support here. It does nothing to infringe on Arab-Israeli rights, voting or otherwise. There have been no voting/citizenship/representation/other changes since 2018.
Wrong all the way around. Arab Israelis have the exact same right and privileges as citizens that Israeli Jews do. Period. End of story.
The law you cite is basically a Hebrew language law, much like the "English official language" law Trump and his kind support here. It does nothing to infringe on Arab-Israeli rights, voting or otherwise. There have been no voting/citizenship/representation/other changes since 2018.
1. I am not making any specific claims about Arab citizens of Israel. I don't have enough info to say what is true in that regard. But certainly some people make the claim that they face discrimination and unequal treatment under the law.
2. The specific New law we are discussing is far more than just a Hebrew language law. So you are wrong about that.
[Israel passed a controversial new "nation-state law" last week that's sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself. The law does three big things: [ol]
It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."
It establishes Hebrew as Israel's official language, and downgrades Arabic a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis to a "special status."
It establishes "Jewish settlement as a national value" and mandates that the state "will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development."]
Islam is a religion and people from a variety of ethnic groups are members, not only Arabs: Persians (Iran), Turks, people of African descent in America (Black Muslims), Somali, Sudanese, Indonesians, the different ethnicities of Afghanistan and the other Central Asian countries, and many others.
One notable thing about islam is that it is quite a bit color blind within the faith. Muslims typically do see muslims as comrades, aka the "ummah." That is not to say race or culture does not exist in the faith, but rather that islam is a belief system which supersedes all to a degree that is remarkable.
Good point. I suspect that's part of the appeal for some.
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
The Israelis separate the terrorists who are in Judea & Samaria and for good reason. Anyone suggesting they should not protect themselves from people who want to kill them is unserious, stupid, a terrorist sympathizer, or all three. Whichever it is they do not merit any attention.
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Biden is demonstrating here in America how foolish that idea is.
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
The Israelis separate the terrorists who are in Judea & Samaria and for good reason. Anyone suggesting they should not protect themselves from people who want to kill them is unserious, stupid, a terrorist sympathizer, or all three. Whichever it is they do not merit any attention.
So they get to create and maintain an endless military occupation in the West Bank and create a 2nd class Apartheid system for Jewish settlers and local Palestinians.
Any violence against their rule confirms that the military occupation and Apartheid system needs to continue.
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Israel is an ethnostate and there's no doubt about that.
Do you know that Arabs are citizens and also members of the Knesset?
Do you know that Israel is kicking out all Africans?
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday he wants Eritrean migrants involved in a violent clash in Tel Aviv to be deported immediately and has ordered a plan to remove all of the country's African migrants.
Please, please, everyone . . . read the articles you post and have at least a general understanding of the subject matter. This is solely about illegal/undocumented immigrants and rioters. This has nothing to do with African citizens.
It says migrants right in the quote from Bibi. Migrants for thee but not for me. Look at who funds all the NGOs that are paying for all the migrants to Europe and the USA.
So you must be ok with the U.S. taking and keeping all illegals. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Israel is an ethnostate and there's no doubt about that.
Do you know that Arabs are citizens and also members of the Knesset?
Do you know that Israel is kicking out all Africans?
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday he wants Eritrean migrants involved in a violent clash in Tel Aviv to be deported immediately and has ordered a plan to remove all of the country's African migrants.
Please, please, everyone . . . read the articles you post and have at least a general understanding of the subject matter. This is solely about illegal/undocumented immigrants and rioters. This has nothing to do with African citizens.
It says migrants right in the quote from Bibi. Migrants for thee but not for me. Look at who funds all the NGOs that are paying for all the migrants to Europe and the USA.
So you must be ok with the U.S. taking and keeping all illegals. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
I guess you are ok with Israel sending those illegals not back home....but to America and Europe.
Wrong all the way around. Arab Israelis have the exact same right and privileges as citizens that Israeli Jews do. Period. End of story.
The law you cite is basically a Hebrew language law, much like the "English official language" law Trump and his kind support here. It does nothing to infringe on Arab-Israeli rights, voting or otherwise. There have been no voting/citizenship/representation/other changes since 2018.
1. I am not making any specific claims about Arab citizens of Israel. I don't have enough info to say what is true in that regard. But certainly some people make the claim that they face discrimination and unequal treatment under the law.
2. The specific New law we are discussing is far more than just a Hebrew language law. So you are wrong about that.
[Israel passed a controversial new "nation-state law" last week that's sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself. The law does three big things: [ol]
It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."
It establishes Hebrew as Israel's official language, and downgrades Arabic a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis to a "special status."
It establishes "Jewish settlement as a national value" and mandates that the state "will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development."]
# 3 applies to settlements. The topic at hand was Arabs in Israel. #1 is what freaked everyone out, but turns out it was just stating the obvious, that Israel is a Jewish state. There have been zero changes under that law. Again, Arab Israelis have the EXACT same rights as citizens.
Now, we absolutely can debate whether Israelis face discrimination, mistreatment, etc., just as we can debate that as to minorities here in the U.S. and every other country. Arab Israelis tend to be poorer, etc. but still fare far better than a vast majority of Arabs in other countries. They also typically have their own Muslim/Arabic schools, community centers, and obviously places of worship.
Wrong all the way around. Arab Israelis have the exact same right and privileges as citizens that Israeli Jews do. Period. End of story.
The law you cite is basically a Hebrew language law, much like the "English official language" law Trump and his kind support here. It does nothing to infringe on Arab-Israeli rights, voting or otherwise. There have been no voting/citizenship/representation/other changes since 2018.
1. I am not making any specific claims about Arab citizens of Israel. I don't have enough info to say what is true in that regard. But certainly some people make the claim that they face discrimination and unequal treatment under the law.
2. The specific New law we are discussing is far more than just a Hebrew language law. So you are wrong about that.
[Israel passed a controversial new "nation-state law" last week that's sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself. The law does three big things: [ol]
It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."
It establishes Hebrew as Israel's official language, and downgrades Arabic a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis to a "special status."
It establishes "Jewish settlement as a national value" and mandates that the state "will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development."]
# 3 applies to settlements. The topic at hand was Arabs in Israel. #1 is what freaked everyone out, but turns out it was just stating the obvious, that Israel is a Jewish state. There have been zero changes under that law. Again, Arab Israelis have the EXACT same rights as citizens.
I think that text is a little more than that...
[It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."]
I would like to hear a lawyer in Israel opine on that subject. Does it have legal or political ramifications?
Bolivia just declared itself a "Plurinational State", pushed through by the Leftist Morales, and it has had an effect on the laws of the country and the legal process.
Either way....I don't have a personal problem if a country is an Ethno-State or a Plurinaitonal State...but it does confirm Muddy's statement that Israel is indeed an Ethno-State...one for the Jews and all others are a best seen as guests.
Wrong all the way around. Arab Israelis have the exact same right and privileges as citizens that Israeli Jews do. Period. End of story.
The law you cite is basically a Hebrew language law, much like the "English official language" law Trump and his kind support here. It does nothing to infringe on Arab-Israeli rights, voting or otherwise. There have been no voting/citizenship/representation/other changes since 2018.
1. I am not making any specific claims about Arab citizens of Israel. I don't have enough info to say what is true in that regard. But certainly some people make the claim that they face discrimination and unequal treatment under the law.
2. The specific New law we are discussing is far more than just a Hebrew language law. So you are wrong about that.
[Israel passed a controversial new "nation-state law" last week that's sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself. The law does three big things: [ol]
It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."
It establishes Hebrew as Israel's official language, and downgrades Arabic a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis to a "special status."
It establishes "Jewish settlement as a national value" and mandates that the state "will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development."]
# 3 applies to settlements. The topic at hand was Arabs in Israel. #1 is what freaked everyone out, but turns out it was just stating the obvious, that Israel is a Jewish state. There have been zero changes under that law. Again, Arab Israelis have the EXACT same rights as citizens.
I think that text is a little more than that...
[It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."]
I would like to hear a lawyer in Israel opine on that subject. Does it have legal or political ramifications?
Bolivia just declared itself a "Plurinational State", pushed through by the Leftist Morales, and it has had an effect on the laws of the country and the legal process.
Either way....I don't have a personal problem if a country is an Ethno-State or a Plurinaitonal State...but it does confirm Muddy's statement that Israel is indeed an Ethno-State...one for the Jews and all others are a best seen as guests.
I guess if you disregard facts, you are correct . . . .
Name one thing that has changed under that law. One.
21% Arab citizens, plus hundreds of thousands of legal Arab workers. Africans, Asians, Europeans, Americans. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Other, and Non-Religious.
Ethno-state? Man, I'd love to know what you call Arab countries!
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Israel is an ethnostate and there's no doubt about that.
Do you know that Arabs are citizens and also members of the Knesset?
Do you know that Israel is kicking out all Africans?
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday he wants Eritrean migrants involved in a violent clash in Tel Aviv to be deported immediately and has ordered a plan to remove all of the country's African migrants.
Please, please, everyone . . . read the articles you post and have at least a general understanding of the subject matter. This is solely about illegal/undocumented immigrants and rioters. This has nothing to do with African citizens.
It says migrants right in the quote from Bibi. Migrants for thee but not for me. Look at who funds all the NGOs that are paying for all the migrants to Europe and the USA.
So you must be ok with the U.S. taking and keeping all illegals. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
I guess you are ok with Israel sending those illegals not back home....but to America and Europe.
One again, you've changed the subject when confronted with facts. But, I'll play: No, I'm not ok with that, at all. Is that actually happening though?
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Israel is an ethnostate and there's no doubt about that.
Do you know that Arabs are citizens and also members of the Knesset?
Do you know that Israel is kicking out all Africans?
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday he wants Eritrean migrants involved in a violent clash in Tel Aviv to be deported immediately and has ordered a plan to remove all of the country's African migrants.
Please, please, everyone . . . read the articles you post and have at least a general understanding of the subject matter. This is solely about illegal/undocumented immigrants and rioters. This has nothing to do with African citizens.
It says migrants right in the quote from Bibi. Migrants for thee but not for me. Look at who funds all the NGOs that are paying for all the migrants to Europe and the USA.
So you must be ok with the U.S. taking and keeping all illegals. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
What would the ADL & SPLC say if the US tried to expel all African migrants or any migrants for that matter. Its an odd double standard how anyone anti white or anti Christian is ok but anything anti Israel will get you auto deported, defunded etc.
NEW: Sources say AIPAC is gearing up to spend over *$100 MILLION* as part of a campaign to knock the Squad out of congress in 2024. Cori Bush, Ilhan Omar, Jamaal Bowman, Summer Lee, and Rashida Tlaib are all marked for high dollar challenges. https://t.co/6wXDMEBfNE
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
.
I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Israel is an ethnostate and there's no doubt about that.
Do you know that Arabs are citizens and also members of the Knesset?
1. Arab citizens account for 21% of the Israeli population...yet they only have a handful of seats in the 120 Member Knesset. I have always been interested in how they draw those seats since you would think they would have more like 25 Arab legislators.
But anyway....just interesting note. They are allowed to stand for election and there are some Arab members of the Knesset.
2. The presence of a large minority within a ethno-State of course would not negate the fact that it is an ethno-State...or at least was intended to be an Ethno-State.
Some people claim that Arab citizens are not treated the same within Israel as are Jewish citizens. That is harder for me to determine if its true...but some do make that claim.
[The political goal of Zionism was to engineer a demographic shift in Palestine, making the minority Jewish population (which was just 7.6 percent in 1914) a majority through massive Jewish immigration and settlement building and the expulsion of the Palestinians.
...contrary to modern liberal thinking, in Israel, citizenship and nationality are two separate, independent concepts. In other words, Israel is not the state of its citizens, but the state of the Jewish people. Thus Palestinians in Israel have Israeli passports but they do not have rights equal to those of Jewish citizens.
With the new "nation-state law", Palestinians in Israel are now considered "native aliens" or foreigners in their own homeland, because Israel is defined by its law as " the historical homeland of the Jewish people" i.e. not the state of all of its citizens. This is the direct result of Zionism and its ideology of racism.
It is also the direct result of prevailing undemocratic sentiments among Israel's Jews. The contradiction between professed ideals and actual behavior, which has been the engine of political change in many places around the world, does not exist in Israel because the democratic creed, or civic democracy, is absent in Israeli society. There is no promise of equality for all citizens in Israeli political culture and praxis. And there is no tradition of civil liberties in Israel because such a tradition is incompatible with Zionism.
While South Africa's apartheid used race to determine citizenship, the state of Israel uses religious identification to determine citizenship. Just as apartheid South Africa made laws criminalizing free movement of blacks on their ancestral land, Israel controls every aspect of Palestinians' lives through a military occupation infrastructure composed of checkpoints, Jewish-only settlements and roads, and the Wall, combined with a web of legal regulations.]
[The law does three big things:
[ol]
It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."
It establishes Hebrew as Israel's official language, and downgrades Arabic a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis to a "special status.
It establishes "Jewish settlement as a national value" and mandates that the state "will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development."
[/ol]Each of these statements would be contentious on its own, but taken together, they're a clear, unequivocal statement of how the Jewish state's current leaders see both the country and the diverse people who call it home.]
All is good information. But the fact is that Israel was created by the UN and grew by winning when attacked. Israel didn't invade and take the land or just move there like some are doing with migration in the world. The actual 47 Charter Map was not unfair. Palestinians would have had what they wanted and both sides would have had to give in on Jerusalem being an international City.
Islam is a religion and people from a variety of ethnic groups are members, not only Arabs: Persians (Iran), Turks, people of African descent in America (Black Muslims), Somali, Sudanese, Indonesians, the different ethnicities of Afghanistan and the other Central Asian countries, and many others.
One notable thing about islam is that it is quite a bit color blind within the faith. Muslims typically do see muslims as comrades, aka the "ummah." That is not to say race or culture does not exist in the faith, but rather that islam is a belief system which supersedes all to a degree that is remarkable.
so many western liberals are unable to understand how islam is a total way of life, not just a religion. This point is a key component to understanding why Western Civilization and islam are incompatible.
They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.
2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?
Hell of a deal
Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.
When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?
I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.
It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.
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I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?
Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?
That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
Hypocrite
The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .
By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.
And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.
So now you are using the word stolen.
Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?
Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?
Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
Would be interesting for him to finally disclose what motivates his antisemitism.
lol I would like to know what criticism of Palestinians has to do with "Islamophobia" or criticism of Israel has to do with "anti-semitism"
You use progressive terminology which is strange for someone who considers themselves conservative.
Not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
Not all Israelis are even Jews
But. wait. I thought you said Israel was an apartheid state? how could that be? Which statement is in error? The one above, or the prior one about apartheid state?
They most certainly practice apartheid (separateness) in the occupied territories.
I think that is what most people are alluding to when they use that term.
Different roads, schools, areas of cities, check points, etc depending on your ethnic group
Your first sentence makes no sense. Are you saying Israel should maintain an open border?
Israel is an ethnostate and there's no doubt about that.
Do you know that Arabs are citizens and also members of the Knesset?
Do you know that Israel is kicking out all Africans?
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday he wants Eritrean migrants involved in a violent clash in Tel Aviv to be deported immediately and has ordered a plan to remove all of the country's African migrants.
Please, please, everyone . . . read the articles you post and have at least a general understanding of the subject matter. This is solely about illegal/undocumented immigrants and rioters. This has nothing to do with African citizens.
It says migrants right in the quote from Bibi. Migrants for thee but not for me. Look at who funds all the NGOs that are paying for all the migrants to Europe and the USA.
So you must be ok with the U.S. taking and keeping all illegals. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
I guess you are ok with Israel sending those illegals not back home....but to America and Europe.
One again, you've changed the subject when confronted with facts. But, I'll play: No, I'm not ok with that, at all. Is that actually happening though?
Who changed the subject?
Muddy brought up the fact that Israel kicks out African immigrants and they send them to Europe.
Wrong all the way around. Arab Israelis have the exact same right and privileges as citizens that Israeli Jews do. Period. End of story.
The law you cite is basically a Hebrew language law, much like the "English official language" law Trump and his kind support here. It does nothing to infringe on Arab-Israeli rights, voting or otherwise. There have been no voting/citizenship/representation/other changes since 2018.
1. I am not making any specific claims about Arab citizens of Israel. I don't have enough info to say what is true in that regard. But certainly some people make the claim that they face discrimination and unequal treatment under the law.
2. The specific New law we are discussing is far more than just a Hebrew language law. So you are wrong about that.
[Israel passed a controversial new "nation-state law" last week that's sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself. The law does three big things: [ol]
It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."
It establishes Hebrew as Israel's official language, and downgrades Arabic a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis to a "special status."
It establishes "Jewish settlement as a national value" and mandates that the state "will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development."]
# 3 applies to settlements. The topic at hand was Arabs in Israel. #1 is what freaked everyone out, but turns out it was just stating the obvious, that Israel is a Jewish state. There have been zero changes under that law. Again, Arab Israelis have the EXACT same rights as citizens.
I think that text is a little more than that...
[It states that "the right to exercise national self-determination" in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people."]
I would like to hear a lawyer in Israel opine on that subject. Does it have legal or political ramifications?
Bolivia just declared itself a "Plurinational State", pushed through by the Leftist Morales, and it has had an effect on the laws of the country and the legal process.
Either way....I don't have a personal problem if a country is an Ethno-State or a Plurinaitonal State...but it does confirm Muddy's statement that Israel is indeed an Ethno-State...one for the Jews and all others are a best seen as guests.
Ethno-state? Man, I'd love to know what you call Arab countries!
I'm sure they could be described as ethno-states as well.
[States often define themselves in ethno-religious nationalist terms; as a Jewish state, Israel is not an exception in that way. There is the Syrian Arab Republic, despite the presence of many non-Arabs, such as Kurds, and the Islamic Republic of Iran, despite the presence of many non-Muslim Iranians.]
Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."
Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.
[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]
[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]
Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."
Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.
[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]
[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]
Islam is a religion and people from a variety of ethnic groups are members, not only Arabs: Persians (Iran), Turks, people of African descent in America (Black Muslims), Somali, Sudanese, Indonesians, the different ethnicities of Afghanistan and the other Central Asian countries, and many others.
One notable thing about islam is that it is quite a bit color blind within the faith. Muslims typically do see muslims as comrades, aka the "ummah." That is not to say race or culture does not exist in the faith, but rather that islam is a belief system which supersedes all to a degree that is remarkable.
so many western liberals are unable to understand how islam is a total way of life, not just a religion. This point is a key component to understanding why Western Civilization and islam are incompatible.
I wish someone would tell that to Israel…they seem to want to send more Muslims to America and Europe.
Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."
Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.
[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]
[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]
Islam is a religion and people from a variety of ethnic groups are members, not only Arabs: Persians (Iran), Turks, people of African descent in America (Black Muslims), Somali, Sudanese, Indonesians, the different ethnicities of Afghanistan and the other Central Asian countries, and many others.
One notable thing about islam is that it is quite a bit color blind within the faith. Muslims typically do see muslims as comrades, aka the "ummah." That is not to say race or culture does not exist in the faith, but rather that islam is a belief system which supersedes all to a degree that is remarkable.
so many western liberals are unable to understand how islam is a total way of life, not just a religion. This point is a key component to understanding why Western Civilization and islam are incompatible.
I wish someone would tell that to Israel…they seem to want to send more Muslims to America and Europe.
Met Danny Danon once. He will one day be Prime Minister of Israel.
Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."
Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.
[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]
[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]
Biden will not get away with genocide, Biden will not get away with staying in San Francisco without EVERYONE knowing he is supporting the slaughter in Gaza
Because the preferred narrative of the Left & media (same thing) is that America is racist, white supremacy still rules, blah, blah, blah. Their propaganda permeates the establishment & they spread their lies everywhere, especially schools (along with the trans insanity). It inspires CRT & Black Lives (don't) Matter, a more accurate label than the official one.
There is very little truth to it all but they won't let that stop them. It's the same as their lies about Trump, COCID, Biden's crimes, Obama's mistakes, the economy, climate & energy issues, and almost everything else.
Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."
Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.
[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]
[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]
I thought you posted weeks ago that you had no issue with Jews having their own state?
I don't have a problem with any ethnic group on earth having an ethno-state.
It's very interesting that you are offended at the very idea that Israel might be such a state….
We have guys on this thread doing back flips to obscure the obvious
I just disagree. What about 21% Arabs and hundreds of thousands of more legal workers do you not understand? Heck, we have a hire % of Christians than Israel does Jews.
Because the preferred narrative of the Left & media (same thing) is that America is racist, white supremacy still rules, blah, blah, blah. Their propaganda permeates the establishment & they spread their lies everywhere, especially schools (along with the trans insanity). It inspires CRT & Black Lives (don't) Matter, a more accurate label than the official one.
There is very little truth to it all but they won't let that stop them. It's the same as their lies about Trump, COCID, Biden's crimes, Obama's mistakes, the economy, climate & energy issues, and almost everything else.
Because the preferred narrative of the Left & media (same thing) is that America is racist, white supremacy still rules, blah, blah, blah. Their propaganda permeates the establishment & they spread their lies everywhere, especially schools (along with the trans insanity). It inspires CRT & Black Lives (don't) Matter, a more accurate label than the official one.
There is very little truth to it all but they won't let that stop them. It's the same as their lies about Trump, COCID, Biden's crimes, Obama's mistakes, the economy, climate & energy issues, and almost everything else.
Obama made no mistakes.
Remember that he said he wanted to "fundamentally transform America"... and he has accomplished that.
The America of 2023 is fundamentally different from the America of 2008.
It was no mistake... it was a plan.
Let's quickly review.
in 2008: Marriage was still between a man and a woman... according to Obama himself. Trans was still a mental illness, and surgeries were still extremely rare and only done on adults. Doctors were still trustworthy and not beholden to any political ideologies. Climate Change didn't exist... it was still called Enviromentalism, or "that Al Gore, tree-hugger religion". There were no open hostilities between the US and China or the US and Russia. ISIS didn't exist yet. Hamas was still a terrorist organization. We didn't have terrorists holding office in Congress. The US dollar still reigned supreme as the reserve currency of the world. Everyone in the world used US dollars to buy & trade oil. Face tattoos, 10+ piercings, and blue/purple hair were open signs of someone with major mental issues. America was still respected by our allies and feared by our enemies. The ideas of government mandated clothing, restrictions on activities, restrictions on speech, collusion with major corporations,... these only existed in novels like 1984 or history lessons about the Nazis. Rioting and violence was still prosecuted under the law, instead of first asking about the color of skin and taking into account any ideas of historical oppression. People did not lose their jobs/businesses because of their political or ideological beliefs. People were not afraid to say what they thought about any topic. Racism was on the decline in America.
No... Obama didn't make any mistakes. He had a plan to fundamentally transform America... and he has succeeded.
Because the preferred narrative of the Left & media (same thing) is that America is racist, white supremacy still rules, blah, blah, blah. Their propaganda permeates the establishment & they spread their lies everywhere, especially schools (along with the trans insanity). It inspires CRT & Black Lives (don't) Matter, a more accurate label than the official one.
There is very little truth to it all but they won't let that stop them. It's the same as their lies about Trump, COCID, Biden's crimes, Obama's mistakes, the economy, climate & energy issues, and almost everything else.
Obama made no mistakes.
Remember that he said he wanted to "fundamentally transform America"... and he has accomplished that.
The America of 2023 is fundamentally different from the America of 2008.
It was no mistake... it was a plan.
Let's quickly review.
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Most folks are too busy and / or too naive to connect the dots.
But you are exactly right.
Now the same leftist power brokers who paid for Obama's ( a basically unknown councilman from Illinois ) initial senatorial campign are pulling the strings with our current mentally impaired president.
Response: "Israel has Arab citizens and Arab members of the Knesset."
Definition of Ethnostate: a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
The Usual Suspects: Derp! Er uh.
[Advocating for Israel specifically as a Jewish state directly and indirectly conflicts with the notion that states should represent and treat all their citizens equally, which is at the heart of democracy, an issue that Biden has made central for his administration and its foreign policy. First, there is the obvious issue of a citizen's sense of belonging to a state defined in terms that exclude them. More centrally, this formulation privileges Jewishness even of non-citizens over citizenship of non-Jews in some important ways. For example, a Jew who is a non-citizen, with no relatives in Israel, and no direct connection to the state or to the land, has the automatic right to citizenship, and to assets bestowed by the state to go along with it, while a relative even a spouse of a non-Jewish citizen of Israel does not have a similar right.]
[…this notion has had the consequence of reinforcing a sense of entitlement in Israel that has affected public attitudes and failed to halt a slippery slope toward Jewish supremacy. This goes beyond the rise of the Jewish far-right groups, now represented in the Knesset, that actively advocate for expelling Palestinians including those who are citizens from Israel. Consider the 2018 nation-state law that was passed during the Trump administration, without American protest, which makes no reference to democracy and proclaims that only Jews have the right to self-determination in Israel. And consider that 79% of Israeli Jews, according to a major 2016 Pew Research Center poll, say that Jews in Israel are entitled to privileges over non-Jews, and that 48% agree that "Arabs should be expelled or transferred" from Israel.]
I thought you posted weeks ago that you had no issue with Jews having their own state?
I don't have a problem with any ethnic group on earth having an ethno-state.
It's very interesting that you are offended at the very idea that Israel might be such a state….
We have guys on this thread doing back flips to obscure the obvious
I just disagree. What about 21% Arabs and hundreds of thousands of more legal workers do you not understand? Heck, we have a hire % of Christians than Israel does Jews.
[63%
Christianity is the most prevalent religion in the United States. Estimates from 2021 suggest that of the entire U.S. population about 63% is Christian ]
[73.5%
Jews make up the majority at 73.5% (about 7.145 million individuals) of the population of Israel]
[Currently, Israel has a population of 9.2 million. By 2050, the forecast said, that will rise to 15.68 million, almost 82 percent of them Jews. A Third of Israeli Jews Will Be ultra-Orthodox by 2050, Forecast Finds
The Jewish population of the West Bank is expected to more than double by 2050]
