Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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The majority of US Muslims believe that Hamas has valid reasons for attacking Israel and that Israel has no right to self defense. Fascinating. pic.twitter.com/rcsAh6ahhW

— Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 (@MarinaMedvin) March 21, 2024

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Maybe the Hebrew Immigrant ad society should not be importing in so many millions of Muslims into America?

https://cis.org/Bensman/Biden-Admin-Sends-Millions-Religious-Nonprofits-Facilitating-Mass-Illegal-Migration

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Yep.
Muslims cannot be trusted. They may help you to eliminate their enemies in a place like Iraq or Afghanistan, but eventually they will turn on you.
They are part of a demonic religion... they cannot be trusted.

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Unfortunate. This isn't ending anytime soon.

These #Palestinian poll results (from March 2024) tell a depressing story:
- 71% say 10/7 attacks were "correct"
- 91% say #Hamas committed no war crimes in this conflict
- 59% say Hamas should control #Gaza after the war is over
- Hamas has double the popular support of #Fatah,…

— Robert Satloff (@robsatloff) March 20, 2024

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.....which is why Israel has no choice but to kill every Hamas member and level every single improved structure in Gaza, no matter how long it takes. Such will force a large percentages of Palestinians to flee elsewhere, reducing the size of the potential future problem. And it will make the Palestinians use greater percentages of resources to rebuild infrastructure and housing, rather than simply rebuilding military capabilities.

It'll take Hamas 15-20 years to get back to 50% of what they were on 7 October.

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sombear said:

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Unfortunate. This isn't ending anytime soon.

These #Palestinian poll results (from March 2024) tell a depressing story:
- 71% say 10/7 attacks were "correct"
- 91% say #Hamas committed no war crimes in this conflict
- 59% say Hamas should control #Gaza after the war is over
- Hamas has double the popular support of #Fatah,…

— Robert Satloff (@robsatloff) March 20, 2024

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.....which is why Israel has no choice but to kill every Hamas member and level every single improved structure in Gaza, no matter how long it takes. Such will force a large percentages of Palestinians to flee elsewhere, reducing the size of the potential future problem. And it will make the Palestinians use greater percentages of resources to rebuild infrastructure and housing, rather than simply rebuilding military capabilities.

It'll take Hamas 15-20 years to get back to 50% of what they were on 7 October.

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As long as Hamas controls the money, they will never spend a dime on the Palestinians. They hate the Jews far more than they love their own children. They are happy to watch their people starve to death in the streets, if it leads to the death of just one Israeli citizen.

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Unfortunate. This isn't ending anytime soon.

These #Palestinian poll results (from March 2024) tell a depressing story:
- 71% say 10/7 attacks were "correct"
- 91% say #Hamas committed no war crimes in this conflict
- 59% say Hamas should control #Gaza after the war is over
- Hamas has double the popular support of #Fatah,…

— Robert Satloff (@robsatloff) March 20, 2024

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.....which is why Israel has no choice but to kill every Hamas member and level every single improved structure in Gaza, no matter how long it takes. Such will force a large percentages of Palestinians to flee elsewhere, reducing the size of the potential future problem. And it will make the Palestinians use greater percentages of resources to rebuild infrastructure and housing, rather than simply rebuilding military capabilities.

It'll take Hamas 15-20 years to get back to 50% of what they were on 7 October.

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As long as Hamas controls the money, they will never spend a dime on the Palestinians. They hate the Jews far more than they love their own children. They are happy to watch their people starve to death in the streets, if it leads to the death of just one Israeli citizen.

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I agree, which only strengthens my point. If Hamas doesn't rebuild cities, potable water systems, hospitals, etc, they will never solve their already terminal demographic problem......

whiterock said:

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ShooterTX said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Unfortunate. This isn't ending anytime soon.

These #Palestinian poll results (from March 2024) tell a depressing story:
- 71% say 10/7 attacks were "correct"
- 91% say #Hamas committed no war crimes in this conflict
- 59% say Hamas should control #Gaza after the war is over
- Hamas has double the popular support of #Fatah,…

— Robert Satloff (@robsatloff) March 20, 2024

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.....which is why Israel has no choice but to kill every Hamas member and level every single improved structure in Gaza, no matter how long it takes. Such will force a large percentages of Palestinians to flee elsewhere, reducing the size of the potential future problem. And it will make the Palestinians use greater percentages of resources to rebuild infrastructure and housing, rather than simply rebuilding military capabilities.

It'll take Hamas 15-20 years to get back to 50% of what they were on 7 October.

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As long as Hamas controls the money, they will never spend a dime on the Palestinians. They hate the Jews far more than they love their own children. They are happy to watch their people starve to death in the streets, if it leads to the death of just one Israeli citizen.

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I agree, which only strengthens my point. If Hamas doesn't rebuild cities, potable water systems, hospitals, etc, they will never solve their already terminal demographic problem......

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We do agree here.

Since the leaders of Hamas are unlikely to be killed in their safe houses in Quatar... and considering that they will never stop spending money trying to kill Jews...

I think a quicker way to bring about the inevitable solution is to cut off ALL forms of aid & support to Gaza. Just force the Gazans to flee, starve or overthrow Hamas.
Most likely they will starve, which just proves that Muslims don't give a damn about their "brothers" in Palestine.

whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Unfortunate. This isn't ending anytime soon.

These #Palestinian poll results (from March 2024) tell a depressing story:
- 71% say 10/7 attacks were "correct"
- 91% say #Hamas committed no war crimes in this conflict
- 59% say Hamas should control #Gaza after the war is over
- Hamas has double the popular support of #Fatah,…

— Robert Satloff (@robsatloff) March 20, 2024

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.....which is why Israel has no choice but to kill every Hamas member and level every single improved structure in Gaza, no matter how long it takes. Such will force a large percentages of Palestinians to flee elsewhere, reducing the size of the potential future problem. And it will make the Palestinians use greater percentages of resources to rebuild infrastructure and housing, rather than simply rebuilding military capabilities.

It'll take Hamas 15-20 years to get back to 50% of what they were on 7 October.

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And that is how this entire fiasco must end. It is essential that it ends this way not only for Israel's future but for everyone's.

I don't remember if this was posted earlier (I might have posted it myself), but this is an excellent explanation of what Israel is doing & why. It also effectively refuted all the Hamas propaganda repeated here & by the fascists in our government, particularly about a ceasefire.

Watch the 12.5 minute video:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/03/mustsee_video_netanyahu_concisely_describes_israels_accomplishments_goals_and_commitment.html

For anyone who needs a reminder as to why Israel is fighting Hamas and why it is essential that they do not stop until they have total victory:

https://stream.org/hamas-wears-the-smiling-face-of-demonic-evil Hamas Wears the Smiling Face of Demonic Evil

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For anyone who needs a reminder as to why Israel is fighting Hamas and why it is essential that they do not stop until they have total victory:

https://stream.org/hamas-wears-the-smiling-face-of-demonic-evil Hamas Wears the Smiling Face of Demonic Evil

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Islam is a demonic, evil religion. It is the worship of Satan, disguised as something else. This is why all of the Caliphates throughout history have been marked with barbaric actions by the muslim conquerors. They have always practiced horrible barbarism, and they have always prospered and spread their influence by the sword.
Islam is purely evil. There are no redemptive qualities to it.
Muslims who wholeheartedly accept its teachings, can NEVER be trusted. They are fully engaged and open to demonic influences.

It is a shame that the 1st Ammendment protects this evil religion. It is understandable when you consider that almost none of the founding fathers had any understanding of the teachings of Mohammad (may he burn in hell forever). I wonder if they would have changed the wording of the Bill of Rights, if they truly understood the evils of Islam.

I can't argue with any of that

Trump warned in an interview that the war in Gaza is damaging Israel's international reputation and repeatedly advised Israel to end it soon.

"Be strong, be smart and let's get this over with." https://t.co/EYiFMlQTJD

— Axios (@axios) March 25, 2024

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Trump warned in an interview that the war in Gaza is damaging Israel's international reputation and repeatedly advised Israel to end it soon.

"Be strong, be smart and let's get this over with." https://t.co/EYiFMlQTJD

— Axios (@axios) March 25, 2024

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"......be strong, be smart, and get it over with...."

good advice for any leader in of a democratically elected government.. It's hard to keep a free people motivated for long wars. They lose interest. They tire of the burden. They WILL look for the exit ramp. And they will get swayed by well-intentioned nincompoops (like we have here), a percentage point here, a percentage point there....month after month, week after week, drip, drip, drip.... It' just a question of how soon it happens. So don't dilly around. Go in early with heavy and get it over with. Time is the greatest enemy all.

That is my biggest beef with Biden on Ukraine. Dude had the right policy to engage. And then he tried to get cute...dribbling, drabbling, trying to be artful, etc......as though he has Kissinger-esque abilities. (not) . (and comically so).

Stop trickling in the aid. Load Ukraine up and let 'em win.

Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking Gaza, ending humanitarian aid https://t.co/GXL3JuA6Z1

— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) March 30, 2024

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Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking Gaza, ending humanitarian aid https://t.co/GXL3JuA6Z1

— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) March 30, 2024

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So you're trying to win over muslim voters in Michigan and you say some stupid Zio boomer crap like that.

For the sake of clarity Michigan is way more than Detroit and its Muslim population is almost entirely there and Ann Arbor.

FTR, it's also the only place I've run in to actual KKK members near Adrian. Like unabashed, very much KKK and AB areas.

muddybrazos said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking Gaza, ending humanitarian aid https://t.co/GXL3JuA6Z1

— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) March 30, 2024

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So you're trying to win over muslim voters in Michigan and you say some stupid Zio boomer crap like that.

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It's just wild how two American political parties are obsessed with a foreign war between two small antagonists….one 8 million and the other 5.5 million and in an area not much bigger than Vermont

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For anyone who needs a reminder as to why Israel is fighting Hamas and why it is essential that they do not stop until they have total victory

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The problem is that total victory against Hamas doesnt solve the problem. It is only one snake on the head of the Islamic hydra. The best solution - one that the US has been undermining through its foreign policy for two plus decades now - is for Muslims to be ruled by semi-secular dictators who will brutally suppress the ability of their Muslim populations to express themselves through the democratic process.

This is why the Arab Spring and the rest of our regime change wars there were an absolutely stupid ideas. Some ideologies don't lend themselves to our founding ideals.

This is why having Khadaffi running Libya, Mubarak running Egypt, and a guy like Assad in charge of an intact Syria is good for America and McCain and Clinton were idiots.

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ShooterTX said:

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For anyone who needs a reminder as to why Israel is fighting Hamas and why it is essential that they do not stop until they have total victory

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The problem is that total victory against Hamas doesnt solve the problem. It is only one snake on the head of the Islamic hydra. The best solution - one that the US has been undermining through its foreign policy for two plus decades now - is for Muslims to be ruled by semi-secular dictators who will brutally suppress the ability of their Muslim populations to express themselves through the democratic process.

This is why the Arab Spring and the rest of our regime change wars there were an absolutely stupid ideas. Some ideologies don't lend themselves to our founding ideals.

This is why having Khadaffi running Libya, Mubarak running Egypt, and a guy like Assad in charge of an intact Syria is good for America and McCain and Clinton were idiots.

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you are absolutely correct that the Koran and our Constitution contain ideas not just incompatible but purpose-built to destroy one another. Otherwise you have a serious cause-effect error going on. We most certainly did not sponsor the Arab Spring, or any of the islamist uprisings which preceded it.

"as American officials and others look back at the uprisings of the Arab Spring, they are seeing that the United States' democracy-building campaigns played a bigger role in fomenting protests than was previously known, with key leaders of the movements having been trained by the Americans in campaigning, organizing through new media tools and monitoring elections.

A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington, according to interviews in recent weeks and American diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks."

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html

Don't often quote that rag, but it was Wikileaks that was the original source.

Realitybites said:

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"as American officials and others look back at the uprisings of the Arab Spring, they are seeing that the United States' democracy-building campaigns played a bigger role in fomenting protests than was previously known, with key leaders of the movements having been trained by the Americans in campaigning, organizing through new media tools and monitoring elections.

A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington, according to interviews in recent weeks and American diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks."

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html

Don't often quote that rag, but it was Wikileaks that was the original source.

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LOL. I mean Geez, dude. Teaching people how to run an election campaign (in a country which already has elections) is not synonymous with building armies for regime change wars.

A reasonable argument can be made that free/fair elections can blunt the influence of islamist radicals (who are theologically hostile to democratic process). I'm not convinced that such is likely to have a glowing record of success in national elections and would be reluctantly inclined to co-exist with "semi-secular dictators" who are benign enough to our agendas and otherwise mostly keep the peace. One thing I will not do is go full crackpot and describe election training as a nefarious imperialist plot to impose our will on the world. Far from it. the first step to democracy in the islamic world involves getting people used to the idea of free/fair processes to elect dog catcher, then city councilmen, then mayors, etc....

But oh no. We can't do that. It'll cause entire regions to go up in flames, 100% our fault, no matter who, what, when, where, why.....

whiterock said:

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Realitybites said:

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"as American officials and others look back at the uprisings of the Arab Spring, they are seeing that the United States' democracy-building campaigns played a bigger role in fomenting protests than was previously known, with key leaders of the movements having been trained by the Americans in campaigning, organizing through new media tools and monitoring elections.

A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington, according to interviews in recent weeks and American diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks."

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html

Don't often quote that rag, but it was Wikileaks that was the original source.

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LOL. I mean Geez, dude. Teaching people how to run an election campaign (in a country which already has elections) is not synonymous with building armies for regime change wars.

A reasonable argument can be made that free/fair elections can blunt the influence of islamist radicals (who are theologically hostile to democratic process). I'm not convinced that such is likely to have a glowing record of success in national elections and would be reluctantly inclined to co-exist with "semi-secular dictators" who are benign enough to our agendas and otherwise mostly keep the peace. One thing I will not do is go full crackpot and describe election training as a nefarious imperialist plot to impose our will on the world. Far from it. the first step to democracy in the islamic world involves getting people used to the idea of free/fair processes to elect dog catcher, then city councilmen, then mayors, etc....

But oh no. We can't do that. It'll cause entire regions to go up in flames, 100% our fault, no matter who, what, when, where, why.....

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What you say I agree 100%. The piece I don't think people get is that it has to extend to the local level to effect true change. That is what we did in Japan and Germany. We were doing a good job in parts of Afghanistan too from what I can tell, at least in the west part of Afghanistan. The culture was changing, women were getting more rights and education. But it only lasted until we left, 20 years is too short a time for that type of change. Think about Germany and Japan, we still have bases. If you still had an US Air Base and 1 Armored CAV Brigade progress in the west would still be occurring. Personally, I do not think that is a bad area to have a base. Natural resources and countering the Chinese "silk road" would have been productive.

But, I am not involved and only know what I read.

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Realitybites said:

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"as American officials and others look back at the uprisings of the Arab Spring, they are seeing that the United States' democracy-building campaigns played a bigger role in fomenting protests than was previously known, with key leaders of the movements having been trained by the Americans in campaigning, organizing through new media tools and monitoring elections.

A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington, according to interviews in recent weeks and American diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks."

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html

Don't often quote that rag, but it was Wikileaks that was the original source.

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LOL. I mean Geez, dude. Teaching people how to run an election campaign (in a country which already has elections) is not synonymous with building armies for regime change wars.

A reasonable argument can be made that free/fair elections can blunt the influence of islamist radicals (who are theologically hostile to democratic process). I'm not convinced that such is likely to have a glowing record of success in national elections and would be reluctantly inclined to co-exist with "semi-secular dictators" who are benign enough to our agendas and otherwise mostly keep the peace. One thing I will not do is go full crackpot and describe election training as a nefarious imperialist plot to impose our will on the world. Far from it. the first step to democracy in the islamic world involves getting people used to the idea of free/fair processes to elect dog catcher, then city councilmen, then mayors, etc....

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I'm not sure what any of this has to do with RB's post, but it is an interesting idea. We should actually try it some time.

Destroying Hamas would solve the problem of a genocidal neo-Nazi power directly on the border attempting to destroy Israel & murder all Jews on a daily basis. That would be enough for now. The broader ramifications would be important too: putting all Arabs on notice, again, not to mess with Israel (most were already ok with that; see the Abraham Accords & earlier agreements) & weakening Iran significantly while also humiliating them. It might even give pause to Russia's & China's designs on the region.

I doubt any Israelis have illusions about what defeating Hamas would & would not accomplish.

muddybrazos said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking Gaza, ending humanitarian aid https://t.co/GXL3JuA6Z1

— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) March 30, 2024

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So you're trying to win over muslim voters in Michigan and you say some stupid Zio boomer crap like that.

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Zero percent chance he said that. If someone can share a video / tape, I'll stand corrected.

BREAKING:

Politico reports that Biden is moving forward with a major new weapons sale to Israel of 50 new F-15 fighter jets, 30 AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles and Joint Direct Attack Munition kits (JDAMs)

The sale will be worth more than USD 20 billion

🇺🇸🇮🇱 pic.twitter.com/PA396fZSYr

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 2, 2024

The real fun would begin if Biden now sells 20 billion dollars worth of weaponry to Iran.

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muddybrazos said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking Gaza, ending humanitarian aid https://t.co/GXL3JuA6Z1

— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) March 30, 2024

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So you're trying to win over muslim voters in Michigan and you say some stupid Zio boomer crap like that.

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Zero percent chance he said that. If someone can share a video / tape, I'll stand corrected.

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🧵1. The statement by US Congressman Tim Walberg that the US should treat #Gaza “like Nagasaki and Hiroshima” expresses the homicidal criminality of the American ruling class as a whole. pic.twitter.com/c7zt98cEEy

— Joseph Kishore (@jkishore) March 31, 2024

I guess you stand corrected bc he said it.

Michigan Congressman Tim Walberg, pastor and "good" Christian, talks about his solution for #Gaza: Give it the Hiroshima treatment. "Get it over quick."

A sitting US Rep in a secret town hall feels comfortable musing positively about genocide. Listen. Share.#DemCastMI #DemCast pic.twitter.com/6BQGfWMVjZ

— JMS 🫱🏻✋🏻 #DemCastMI (@WhitchMI) March 30, 2024

This guy is out of his f'ing mind.

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Do these GOP types ever talk about Americans enemies with the passion that they talk about Israel's enemies?

Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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muddybrazos said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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I guess we will have to wait and see.

Andrew Schulz calls out Ben Shapiro, asks if its an Israeli media platform & ponders if he’s tricking Christian conservatives pic.twitter.com/5S9mwyotlL

— An0maly (@LegendaryEnergy) April 4, 2024

Meanwhile back in America people are starting to wake up and see what's been going on all along. Hopefully once Trump is elected we can make AIPAC register as a foreign agent and take back control of our own government to make it work for Americans.

BREAKING:

Israeli news outlet Walla reports that Israeli officials say there are indications that Iran may use long-range ballistic missiles, drones or cruise missiles to attack Israeli territory pic.twitter.com/xggbe6FYqG

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 4, 2024