Realitybites said:

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Sounds as if the Iranians intended this as a limited response to the bombing of their embassy, and the attack did little damage.

"In a post on X, Tehran says that its "military action" came in response to Israel's "aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus."

"The matter can be deemed concluded," the post adds."

Meanwhile, from DC:

"Behind the scenes: Biden told Netanyahu the joint defensive efforts by Israel, the U.S. and other countries in the region led to the failure of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official.

"You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official.

The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the U.S. will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran and will not support such operations, Netanyahu said he understood."

So barring an Israeli response this should go back to the status quo.

What the lack of response would mean for Netenyahu's political future, I dont know. But this administration wants him out anyway.

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Zero chance the situation reverts back to a status quo.

Iranian attack was an embarrassing failure. They will have to do some to regain the confidence of the Iranian people. Mostly likely attack cargo shipping in the strait.

Or resume proxy missile attacks against Israel from Lebanon.

US tactical aid shooting down dozens of Iranian missiles and drones is an obvious act of war. Sooner rather than later Iran will retaliate against US naval or ground units .

The only way out of this mess is for Israel to declare ' victory ' in the Gaza Strip and get the hell out.

Israeli @N12News reports that the Saudi military played a role in stopping attacks against Israel tonight.

Will be interesting to see in the coming weeks what the Saudis did exactly tonight

🇸🇦🇮🇱 pic.twitter.com/gN9aETBnEv

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 14, 2024

Israel will strike back at Iran in the next 48 hours, reports the The New York Times.

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 14, 2024

The next time those morons manage to pull off anything of that sort of scale will be the first.

Iran’s offensive execution: https://t.co/dw7ZIQkC5t pic.twitter.com/ZxHTFWgU8E

— Raider Ty (@RaiderTy92) April 14, 2024

Israeli man taking a picture by the Dead Sea next to a downed Iranian ballistic missile

New Facebook profile picture pic.twitter.com/oUHzItABoV

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 14, 2024

The problem is the two state solution is that the proposals often do not take into account the complexities of the situation as in a way that makes it viable. The Palestinians point out the continued growth of settlements in the West Bank even though Israel has said it would not allow anymore.

Over 700,000 Israelis live in West Bank Settlements. The two-sides can't agree on what happens to these settlements. Israel wants them to become part of Israel and the Palestinians say they need to be gone.

Also, another big issue is the partition of Jerusalem. This is difficult due to Holy sites and cultural significance.

The last is the right to return. Can Palestinians and their descendants who lived in the boundaries of Israel before it became a nation return? I understand both sides of this issue, and there is not an easy solution.

Most of the proposed 2 state solutions are skewed towards the Israelis, and even with that many Israelis do not support it. The Palestinians look at it as we get none of our concessions, so we do not support it.

Also, a large portion of Israelis including Netanyahu have never supported it either.

The failure of the two state solution is on both sides because Israel wants its cake and to it eat too, and Palestinians hope that the tables will turn in the future hinders their ability to accept the realities of today.

RightRevBear said:

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The problem is the two state solution is that the proposals often do not take into account the complexities of the situation as in a way that makes it viable. The Palestinians point out the continued growth of settlements in the West Bank even though Israel has said it would not allow anymore.

Over 700,000 Israelis live in West Bank Settlements. The two-sides can't agree on what happens to these settlements. Israel wants them to become part of Israel and the Palestinians say they need to be gone.

Also, another big issue is the partition of Jerusalem. This is difficult due to Holy sites and cultural significance.

The last is the right to return. Can Palestinians and their descendants who lived in the boundaries of Israel before it became a nation return? I understand both sides of this issue, and there is not an easy solution.

Most of the proposed 2 state solutions are skewed towards the Israelis, and even with that many Israelis do not support it. The Palestinians look at it as we get none of our concessions, so we do not support it.

Also, a large portion of Israelis including Netanyahu have never supported it either.

The failure of the two state solution is on both sides because Israel wants its cake and to it eat too, and Palestinians hope that the tables will turn in the future hinders their ability to accept the realities of today.

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Has any Palestinian group ever not advocated for the destruction of Israel? Has any Palestinian group condemned Oct 7?

Osodecentx said:

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RightRevBear said:

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The problem is the two state solution is that the proposals often do not take into account the complexities of the situation as in a way that makes it viable. The Palestinians point out the continued growth of settlements in the West Bank even though Israel has said it would not allow anymore.

Over 700,000 Israelis live in West Bank Settlements. The two-sides can't agree on what happens to these settlements. Israel wants them to become part of Israel and the Palestinians say they need to be gone.

Also, another big issue is the partition of Jerusalem. This is difficult due to Holy sites and cultural significance.

The last is the right to return. Can Palestinians and their descendants who lived in the boundaries of Israel before it became a nation return? I understand both sides of this issue, and there is not an easy solution.

Most of the proposed 2 state solutions are skewed towards the Israelis, and even with that many Israelis do not support it. The Palestinians look at it as we get none of our concessions, so we do not support it.

Also, a large portion of Israelis including Netanyahu have never supported it either.

The failure of the two state solution is on both sides because Israel wants its cake and to it eat too, and Palestinians hope that the tables will turn in the future hinders their ability to accept the realities of today.

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Has any Palestinian group ever not advocated for the destruction of Israel? Has any Palestinian group condemned Oct 7?

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This is the exact intractable mindset that I was writing about. Israel has done just as many horrors as Palestine.

RightRevBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RightRevBear said:

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The problem is the two state solution is that the proposals often do not take into account the complexities of the situation as in a way that makes it viable. The Palestinians point out the continued growth of settlements in the West Bank even though Israel has said it would not allow anymore.

Over 700,000 Israelis live in West Bank Settlements. The two-sides can't agree on what happens to these settlements. Israel wants them to become part of Israel and the Palestinians say they need to be gone.

Also, another big issue is the partition of Jerusalem. This is difficult due to Holy sites and cultural significance.

The last is the right to return. Can Palestinians and their descendants who lived in the boundaries of Israel before it became a nation return? I understand both sides of this issue, and there is not an easy solution.

Most of the proposed 2 state solutions are skewed towards the Israelis, and even with that many Israelis do not support it. The Palestinians look at it as we get none of our concessions, so we do not support it.

Also, a large portion of Israelis including Netanyahu have never supported it either.

The failure of the two state solution is on both sides because Israel wants its cake and to it eat too, and Palestinians hope that the tables will turn in the future hinders their ability to accept the realities of today.

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Has any Palestinian group ever not advocated for the destruction of Israel? Has any Palestinian group condemned Oct 7?

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This is the exact intractable mindset that I was writing about. Israel has done just as many horrors as Palestine.

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Guess I missed the babies in the oven Israeli atrocities
We've seen a number of Israeli initiatives. I don't remember a Palestinian peace initiative

KaiBear said:

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Iran launches massive drone and missile attack against Israel.

No one should be surprised.

Meanwhile the US continues to be nominally led by an old dementia sufferer .

Historic events continue to evolve in the same old pattern .

In possibly the biggest surprise was the actions of JORDAN shooting down several of the missiles as they crossed their airspace .

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Actually, not a huge surprise. Jordan has had good relations with Israel for 20+ years and that has been good for them.

The Obama regime tried to manipulate Israeli elections to remove Netanyahu. America's fascists have never had much for Israel in the 21st century, especially when led by a string leader like Netanyahu.

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Realitybites said:

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Sounds as if the Iranians intended this as a limited response to the bombing of their embassy, and the attack did little damage.

"In a post on X, Tehran says that its "military action" came in response to Israel's "aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus."

"The matter can be deemed concluded," the post adds."

Meanwhile, from DC:

"Behind the scenes: Biden told Netanyahu the joint defensive efforts by Israel, the U.S. and other countries in the region led to the failure of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official.

"You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official.

The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the U.S. will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran and will not support such operations, Netanyahu said he understood."

So barring an Israeli response this should go back to the status quo.

What the lack of response would mean for Netenyahu's political future, I dont know. But this administration wants him out anyway.

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Zero chance the situation reverts back to a status quo.

Iranian attack was an embarrassing failure. They will have to do some to regain the confidence of the Iranian people. Mostly likely attack cargo shipping in the strait.

Or resume proxy missile attacks against Israel from Lebanon.

US tactical aid shooting down dozens of Iranian missiles and drones is an obvious act of war. Sooner rather than later Iran will retaliate against US naval or ground units .

The only way out of this mess is for Israel to declare ' victory ' in the Gaza Strip and get the hell out.

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Iran has already engaged in piracy by seizing an Israeli owned container ship.

historian said:

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KaiBear said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sounds as if the Iranians intended this as a limited response to the bombing of their embassy, and the attack did little damage.

"In a post on X, Tehran says that its "military action" came in response to Israel's "aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus."

"The matter can be deemed concluded," the post adds."

Meanwhile, from DC:

"Behind the scenes: Biden told Netanyahu the joint defensive efforts by Israel, the U.S. and other countries in the region led to the failure of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official.

"You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official.

The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the U.S. will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran and will not support such operations, Netanyahu said he understood."

So barring an Israeli response this should go back to the status quo.

What the lack of response would mean for Netenyahu's political future, I dont know. But this administration wants him out anyway.

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Zero chance the situation reverts back to a status quo.

Iranian attack was an embarrassing failure. They will have to do some to regain the confidence of the Iranian people. Mostly likely attack cargo shipping in the strait.

Or resume proxy missile attacks against Israel from Lebanon.

US tactical aid shooting down dozens of Iranian missiles and drones is an obvious act of war. Sooner rather than later Iran will retaliate against US naval or ground units .

The only way out of this mess is for Israel to declare ' victory ' in the Gaza Strip and get the hell out.

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Iran has already engaged in piracy by seizing an Israeli owned container ship.

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After all that has occurred in that Strait it is inexcusable that our Navy would allow that to happen .

Someone must have told the Navy to stand down .

Most of what our Navy & govt has allowed to happen in the Red Sea & that region is inexcusable. We have been finding out the hard way for 3 years what it means to have a weak leader who wants to be friends with terrorists & other enemies while treating our friends like crap. Actually, Obama did that for most of his 8 years and we saw some of that under Bill & Hillary ("two for the price of one!").

NEW: Joe Biden Green-Lit Iran's Attack on Israel https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/04/14/new-joe-biden-green-lit-irans-attack-on-israel-n2172744

You FUNDED It! Biden's Statement (AFTER Calling a Lid) on Iran's Attack Against Israel Goes REALLY Wrong https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/14/biden-statement-iran-n2395073

Questions that deserve clear answers:

How many billions of dollars of military equipment did midden leave in Afghanistan?
How much of that equipment was used by Hamas to attack Israel on October 7 and since then?
How many billions of dollars in cash did Obama & then Biden give Iran enabling terrorism & their development of nukes?

We already have an idea on the first but I don't expect honest answers in the rest. Those answers might be treasonous.

historian said:

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You FUNDED It! Biden's Statement (AFTER Calling a Lid) on Iran's Attack Against Israel Goes REALLY Wrong https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/14/biden-statement-iran-n2395073

Questions that deserve clear answers:

How many billions of dollars of military equipment did midden leave in Afghanistan?
How much of that equipment was used by Hamas to attack Israel on October 7 and since then?
How many billions of dollars in cash did Obama & then Biden give Iran enabling terrorism & their development of nukes?

We already have an idea on the first but I don't expect honest answers in the rest. Those answers might be treasonous.

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Unfortunately the vast majority of Biden's constituents :

Don't care about question 1

Don't understand the relationship between questions 1 and 2

Don't give a damn about question 3





What they DO care about is that thanks to Joe Biden; someone ELSE is paying off their student loans.

National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan:

"The Middle East is quieter today than it has been in two decades."

This was on September 29th, 2023. pic.twitter.com/7v9ejJane3

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 14, 2024

Quote:

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There is NO legit defense for giving this money to the Iranians.

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There is no legit defense for giving money to any foreign nation. We are 35 trillion in debt, and will be over 50 trillion in debt inside of a decade.

Israel and Iran: What Now

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/israel-iran-what-now-israeli-response-is-expected/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=israel-iran-what-now-israeli-response-is-expected

"Meanwhile, Israel has declared that it will respond and is already debating military options, which include long-range strikes on military bases or even nuclear installations in Iran.It is estimated that Israel spent half a billion dollars in just a few hours in the defense against the attack.According to Israeli sources, Israel will retaliate against Iran 'in the next 48 hours'."

This would be a mistake. Israeli air defenses are not invulnerable, and this sort of escalatory tit-for-tat could be the start of something unfortunate.

Just an aside: what is behind leftist journalists calling this region "West Asia" instead of "the Middle East"? Their motivation to replace BC/AD with BCE/CE was an obvious slap at Jesus but the motivation of this latest bit of corruption of the English language is less obvious.

KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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You FUNDED It! Biden's Statement (AFTER Calling a Lid) on Iran's Attack Against Israel Goes REALLY Wrong https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/14/biden-statement-iran-n2395073

Questions that deserve clear answers:

How many billions of dollars of military equipment did midden leave in Afghanistan?
How much of that equipment was used by Hamas to attack Israel on October 7 and since then?
How many billions of dollars in cash did Obama & then Biden give Iran enabling terrorism & their development of nukes?

We already have an idea on the first but I don't expect honest answers in the rest. Those answers might be treasonous.

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Unfortunately the vast majority of Biden's constituents :

Don't care about question 1

Don't understand the relationship between questions 1 and 2

Don't give a damn about question 3





What they DO care about is that thanks to Joe Biden; someone ELSE is paying off their student loans.

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I guess this is an area you are ok with sending US Forces and spending money in a shooting war? We really need a scorecard to figure out which areas are OK to go full military and what areas are "military industrial complex" Neo-Con profit plans.

Personally, I believe we will regret leaving Afghanistan, that area in the next 100 years will be more important due to resources, location and alliances. We were in a good position, something Russia couldn't do.

If true, they are ignorant: TANSTAAFL. "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." Somebody always pays and if it's the government then that means all of us. That should be obvious, especially today, April 15.

That only explains some of them. Many probably don't have student loans.

Valid point however. Many of them are just plain morons.

For the Hamas apologists who like to parrot their propaganda that Palestinians are harmless, innocent victims:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-attack-israel-stirs-admiration-among-gaza-palestinians-2024-04-14/

Anti-Israel protesters in Chicago are blocking roads leading into O’Hare Airport. People are having to walk to airport to make their flights.pic.twitter.com/UgYG7ugSEE

— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) April 15, 2024

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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You FUNDED It! Biden's Statement (AFTER Calling a Lid) on Iran's Attack Against Israel Goes REALLY Wrong https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/14/biden-statement-iran-n2395073

Questions that deserve clear answers:

How many billions of dollars of military equipment did midden leave in Afghanistan?
How much of that equipment was used by Hamas to attack Israel on October 7 and since then?
How many billions of dollars in cash did Obama & then Biden give Iran enabling terrorism & their development of nukes?

We already have an idea on the first but I don't expect honest answers in the rest. Those answers might be treasonous.

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Unfortunately the vast majority of Biden's constituents :

Don't care about question 1

Don't understand the relationship between questions 1 and 2

Don't give a damn about question 3





What they DO care about is that thanks to Joe Biden; someone ELSE is paying off their student loans.

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I guess this is an area you are ok with sending US Forces and spending money in a shooting war?

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Never wish for either .

Put me on ignore .

I hate wasting time with you.

The Israeli Air Force has finished preparing for an attack on Iran, according to Channel 13.

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 15, 2024

KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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You FUNDED It! Biden's Statement (AFTER Calling a Lid) on Iran's Attack Against Israel Goes REALLY Wrong https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/14/biden-statement-iran-n2395073

Questions that deserve clear answers:

How many billions of dollars of military equipment did midden leave in Afghanistan?
How much of that equipment was used by Hamas to attack Israel on October 7 and since then?
How many billions of dollars in cash did Obama & then Biden give Iran enabling terrorism & their development of nukes?

We already have an idea on the first but I don't expect honest answers in the rest. Those answers might be treasonous.

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Unfortunately the vast majority of Biden's constituents :

Don't care about question 1

Don't understand the relationship between questions 1 and 2

Don't give a damn about question 3





What they DO care about is that thanks to Joe Biden; someone ELSE is paying off their student loans.

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I guess this is an area you are ok with sending US Forces and spending money in a shooting war?

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Never wish for either .

Put me on ignore .

I hate wasting time with you.

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Done

Signals from #Israel appear to indicate a military response to #Iran has been decided & maybe imminent.

If it’s direct & overt action, that’d be a bold move, sharply against the urging of everyone that backed #Israel’s defense on Sunday — #Biden, US military, UK, #Jordan & Gulf.

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) April 15, 2024

This is turning into a bad day for commuting

Pro-Palestinian protesters shut down the Golden Gate Bridge, hours after a similar protest closed all lanes on I-880 in Oakland. pic.twitter.com/EBS4XdJ4R3

— The Recount (@therecount) April 15, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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This is turning into a bad day for commuting

Pro-Palestinian protesters shut down the Golden Gate Bridge, hours after a similar protest closed all lanes on I-880 in Oakland. pic.twitter.com/EBS4XdJ4R3

— The Recount (@therecount) April 15, 2024

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Mess with people's day. Lowest ring of hell.