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Pretty much so:Osodecentx said:Israel created Hamas on purpose (by design)?Sam Lowry said:That's why the Israelis created it. The last thing they want is a legitimate Palestinian political structure.historian said:
Hamas is a highly organized and well funded criminal organization. It bears little resemblance to any legitimate political structure.
Quote:
This isn't a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a "counterweight" to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as "a creature of Israel.")
"The Israeli government gave me a budget," the retired brigadier general confessed, "and the military government gives to the mosques."
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. "I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," he wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Sam Lowry said:Pretty much so:Osodecentx said:Israel created Hamas on purpose (by design)?Sam Lowry said:That's why the Israelis created it. The last thing they want is a legitimate Palestinian political structure.historian said:
Hamas is a highly organized and well funded criminal organization. It bears little resemblance to any legitimate political structure.Quote:
This isn't a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a "counterweight" to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as "a creature of Israel.")
"The Israeli government gave me a budget," the retired brigadier general confessed, "and the military government gives to the mosques."
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. "I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," he wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
So anything Hamas does must be endured by Israel without comment or action?
Mossad and CIA collab also invented Al Quaida and Isis.Sam Lowry said:Pretty much so:Osodecentx said:Israel created Hamas on purpose (by design)?Sam Lowry said:That's why the Israelis created it. The last thing they want is a legitimate Palestinian political structure.historian said:
Hamas is a highly organized and well funded criminal organization. It bears little resemblance to any legitimate political structure.Quote:
This isn't a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a "counterweight" to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as "a creature of Israel.")
"The Israeli government gave me a budget," the retired brigadier general confessed, "and the military government gives to the mosques."
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. "I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," he wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Pretty much so:Osodecentx said:Israel created Hamas on purpose (by design)?Sam Lowry said:That's why the Israelis created it. The last thing they want is a legitimate Palestinian political structure.historian said:
Hamas is a highly organized and well funded criminal organization. It bears little resemblance to any legitimate political structure.Quote:
This isn't a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a "counterweight" to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as "a creature of Israel.")
"The Israeli government gave me a budget," the retired brigadier general confessed, "and the military government gives to the mosques."
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. "I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," he wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
So anything Hamas does must be endured by Israel without comment or action?
Is there a middle ground between a hypothetical no response (Israel of course always responds) and laying waste to the whole place? (obviously a kind of response that will kill women and children)
And lets be honest no one ever said Israel does not have the right to take out Hamas leaders or respond to attacks...its the level of response that people are arguing about.
[On Oct. 7, Hamas terrorists invaded Israel, and Israel retaliated with ongoing military operations in Gaza. Since the beginning of the retaliation, at least 34,735 people in Gaza have been killed and 78,108 have been injured,...
Since then, many of the once-bustling streetscapes -- home to roughly 2.3 million people -- have been flattened.
A report from the United Nations Development Programme found that the war has set back human development in Gaza more than 20 years. That setback will increase the longer the war goes on, according to the U.N.
Roughly 86,000 housing units have been destroyed and almost 300,000 more have been damaged in the Palestinian territories, according to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics.]
https://abcnews.go.com/International/destruction-gaza-side-side-israel-hamas-wars-damage/story?id=109958458
No, not at all. Hamas is responsible for its own actions. But those actions don't justify collective punishment, especially when Israel has helped to enable them.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Pretty much so:Osodecentx said:Israel created Hamas on purpose (by design)?Sam Lowry said:That's why the Israelis created it. The last thing they want is a legitimate Palestinian political structure.historian said:
Hamas is a highly organized and well funded criminal organization. It bears little resemblance to any legitimate political structure.Quote:
This isn't a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a "counterweight" to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as "a creature of Israel.")
"The Israeli government gave me a budget," the retired brigadier general confessed, "and the military government gives to the mosques."
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. "I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," he wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
So anything Hamas does must be endured by Israel without comment or action?
Sam Lowry said:No, not at all. Hamas is responsible for its own actions. But those actions don't justify collective punishment, especially when Israel has helped to enable them.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Pretty much so:Osodecentx said:Israel created Hamas on purpose (by design)?Sam Lowry said:That's why the Israelis created it. The last thing they want is a legitimate Palestinian political structure.historian said:
Hamas is a highly organized and well funded criminal organization. It bears little resemblance to any legitimate political structure.Quote:
This isn't a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a "counterweight" to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as "a creature of Israel.")
"The Israeli government gave me a budget," the retired brigadier general confessed, "and the military government gives to the mosques."
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. "I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," he wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
So anything Hamas does must be endured by Israel without comment or action?
Return hostages
Osodecentx said:
So anything Hamas does must be endured by Israel without comment or action?
No, but mature foreign policy always takes into account what things look like in the weeks, months, and years after you take an action...and the Muslims surrounding Israel aren't going anywhere.
Some may think I am a pacificst. Nothing could be further from the truth. For instance, we would have been far better off in the aftermath of 9-11 if we had detonated one or two small nukes in Afghanistan and wiped put Kabul +/- the border region with Pakistan and never put one soldier in country. It would have sent a brutally direct message, and the international support would have been there. But we were a superpower buffered by two oceans. Israel doesn't have that luxury.
So if it's an Israeli front, why didn't it collapse when Israel withdrew funding?Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Pretty much so:Osodecentx said:Israel created Hamas on purpose (by design)?Sam Lowry said:That's why the Israelis created it. The last thing they want is a legitimate Palestinian political structure.historian said:
Hamas is a highly organized and well funded criminal organization. It bears little resemblance to any legitimate political structure.Quote:
This isn't a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a "counterweight" to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as "a creature of Israel.")
"The Israeli government gave me a budget," the retired brigadier general confessed, "and the military government gives to the mosques."
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. "I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," he wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
So anything Hamas does must be endured by Israel without comment or action?
ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
Thousands of dead women and children don't share your joy.whiterock said:they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
Neither does 90% of the rest of the world.
Just want to bookmark this post so we can bring it back up when Biden announces we're taking in a million Gazan refugess over here while the rest go to Europe. We all know thats what is coming.whiterock said:they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
KaiBear said:Thousands of dead women and children don't share your joy.whiterock said:they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
Neither does 90% of the rest of the world.
What do you propose was their alternative option?
If Canada came across the border in Michigan, kidnapped, raped and went house to house causing destruction what do you think the U.S. would have done to get back hostages they took?
Those Gazans who don't share that joy maybe should have thought about that before dancing in the streets, then ignoring the "we are going to turn this into a parking lot, you should leave" messaging.
nein51 said:KaiBear said:Thousands of dead women and children don't share your joy.whiterock said:they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
Neither does 90% of the rest of the world.
What do you propose was their alternative option?
If Canada came across the border in Michigan, kidnapped, raped and went house to house causing destruction what do you think the U.S. would have done to get back hostages they took?
Those Gazans who don't share that joy maybe should have thought about that before dancing in the streets, then ignoring the "we are going to turn this into a parking lot, you should leave" messaging.
You don't comprehend the long term implications of invading Gaza.
Neither did Israel.
But Biden's handlers certainly understand the political nightmare this invasion brings to the Democratic Party.
Now the US will take in millions of refugees and pay trillions of dollars we don't actually possess to rebuild Gaza and indefinitely feed their people.
Israel should have simply continued to tactically bomb Gaza and assassinate Hamas leadership.
I understand it just fine.
I'm asking what the alternative was. You seem to think it was so obviously wrong. Go ahead and tell us what you would have done. Unless you're posing that strategic bombing was actually going to work.
And the US is under no obligation to take any of those refugees. Maybe Pakistan, China and Russia should take some. Oh wait, they don't have any obligation to do that either.
I'm asking what the alternative was. You seem to think it was so obviously wrong. Go ahead and tell us what you would have done. Unless you're posing that strategic bombing was actually going to work.
And the US is under no obligation to take any of those refugees. Maybe Pakistan, China and Russia should take some. Oh wait, they don't have any obligation to do that either.
A. Already posted what would work ( and has punished Hamas in the past ).nein51 said:
I understand it just fine.
I'm asking what the alternative was. You seem to think it was so obviously wrong. Go ahead and tell us what you would have done. Unless you're posing that strategic bombing was actually going to work.
And the US is under no obligation to take any of those refugees. Maybe Pakistan, China and Russia should take some. Oh wait, they don't have any obligation to do that either.
B. Biden's handlers now realize they are in a political squeeze play. They have accepted money from the Jewish lobby for decades so they have to supply weapons. However now a significant number of the Democratic Party are anti semitic. And its an election year.
Handlers won't take any chances. Will take millions of refugees and spend trillions of dollars over the next few years.
nein51 said:KaiBear said:Thousands of dead women and children don't share your joy.whiterock said:they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
Neither does 90% of the rest of the world.
What do you propose was their alternative option?
If Canada came across the border in Michigan, kidnapped, raped and went house to house causing destruction what do you think the U.S. would have done to get back hostages they took?
Those Gazans who don't share that joy maybe should have thought about that before dancing in the streets, then ignoring the "we are going to turn this into a parking lot, you should leave" messaging.
If Biden were president when a hypothetical Canadian attack took place, he'd try negotiations and offer them our money. He certainly wouldn't do anything constructive or anything resembling leadership. How many Americans were left behind in Afghanistan? How many of our Allies?
A better comparison ard the Mexican cartels. Biden had effectively given them control our southern border and no doubt they are getting richer with all the human smuggling, drug smuggling, sex trafficking (slavery), & other crimes they are committing with the blessing of the Dems.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
KaiBear said:Thousands of dead women and children don't share your joy.whiterock said:they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
Neither does 90% of the rest of the world.
'eff 'em. They deserve it
They are firing mortar shells from inside tents in refugee camps.
— 𝗡𝗶𝗼𝗵 𝗕𝗲𝗿𝗴 ♛ ✡︎ (@NiohBerg) June 15, 2024
pic.twitter.com/sqOGpqEPME
The real answer is for Israel to annex Gaza and the West Bank and let them handle security of the country accordingly. They'll have greater control of who and what comes into those regions, as well as direct police and military control. It might be ugly for a bit, but it's the most practical long term solution. Two states is a diplomatic fairy tale.
whiterock said:KaiBear said:Thousands of dead women and children don't share your joy.whiterock said:they had no choice and will be much better off for it.KaiBear said:ATL Bear said:
An almost impossible war to execute, at least under today's septic standards.
Hamas won't surrender and hides among the people.
Israel won't/can't risk soldiers going into extremely hostile areas to be more strategic/limited in their kills/targets.
Palestinian non combatants are stuck with nowhere to go as refugees.
Just a horrible situation.
All true.
Israel should have never gone into Gaza.
It was tactically, politically and strategically an obvious blunder
before it was even begun.
Now the US taxpayers will be coerced ( still again ) into paying for a resolution of the nightmare.
The whole world will be better off for it.
Neither does 90% of the rest of the world.
'eff 'em. They deserve itThey are firing mortar shells from inside tents in refugee camps.
— 𝗡𝗶𝗼𝗵 𝗕𝗲𝗿𝗴 ♛ ✡︎ (@NiohBerg) June 15, 2024
pic.twitter.com/sqOGpqEPME
Hope you never lose a wife or child to some random act of violence.
Only afterwards to read the comment of some anonymous internet fool
" eff em. They deserve it. "
Welcome to 'ignore'.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
Nope. the fake news is that Israel is wantonly killing tens of thousands of women & children. In reality, it was Hamas who fired daily ordnance barrages at Israel for years, indiscriminately. In reality, Israel is announcing the times/locations of their attacks and allowing women & children to flee before beginning bombardment. In reality, Israel is clearing those tunnels, filming them, then demolishing them. In reality, it is Hamas who purposely hides among women & children to create collateral damage that will make Israel look bad. The want their citizens dead on a rubble pile or huddled in a humanitarian camp (with Hamas controlling the food/medicine). They then use that camp to hide mortar emplacements to fire at Israelis (picture provided above).Sam Lowry said:Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
We firebombed German and Japanese cities to break the will of the German and Japanese people, holding them accountable for the actions of their respective governments which were every bit as reprehensible as what Hamas did on October 7th. Israel is showing far greater restraint in response to provocations which are every bit as deserving of the full treatment.
The Palestinian people have chosen this path. Soberly, willingly, gladly. They hate Jews. They want the Jews dead, gone, exterminated from the river to the sea. They are a blight on the human race and should pay the price they are getting until they change their worldview.
Note the muted response from the Arab world. No one is intervening on their behalf. The Arabs are letting them pay the price....for willingly signing up to be an Iranian proxy.
Sam Lowry said:Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
Why not make the tunnels available to Palistinians other than Hamas? Why not make the food stores available to the general population? Why not release the hostages? This war ends if the hostages are released!
Why imprison hostages in heavily populated areas?
Hamas gonna Hamas.....
#BREAKING: Hamas attacks Israeli aid crossing for Palestinian civilians.
— Israel War Room (@IsraelWarRoom) June 17, 2024
And it’s not the first time. https://t.co/82byTHvkHF
Clearly Mr. Simons is not the only one who's been lying to you.whiterock said:Nope. the fake news is that Israel is wantonly killing tens of thousands of women & children. In reality, it was Hamas who fired daily ordnance barrages at Israel for years, indiscriminately. In reality, Israel is announcing the times/locations of their attacks and allowing women & children to flee before beginning bombardment. In reality, Israel is clearing those tunnels, filming them, then demolishing them. In reality, it is Hamas who purposely hides among women & children to create collateral damage that will make Israel look bad. The want their citizens dead on a rubble pile or huddled in a humanitarian camp (with Hamas controlling the food/medicine). They then use that camp to hide mortar emplacements to fire at Israelis (picture provided above).Sam Lowry said:Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
We firebombed German and Japanese cities to break the will of the German and Japanese people, holding them accountable for the actions of their respective governments which were every bit as reprehensible as what Hamas did on October 7th. Israel is showing far greater restraint in response to provocations which are every bit as deserving of the full treatment.
The Palestinian people have chosen this path. Soberly, willingly, gladly. They hate Jews. They want the Jews dead, gone, exterminated from the river to the sea. They are a blight on the human race and should pay the price they are getting until they change their worldview.
Note the muted response from the Arab world. No one is intervening on their behalf. The Arabs are letting them pay the price....for willingly signing up to be an Iranian proxy.
Sam Lowry said:Clearly Mr. Simons is not the only one who's been lying to you.whiterock said:Nope. the fake news is that Israel is wantonly killing tens of thousands of women & children. In reality, it was Hamas who fired daily ordnance barrages at Israel for years, indiscriminately. In reality, Israel is announcing the times/locations of their attacks and allowing women & children to flee before beginning bombardment. In reality, Israel is clearing those tunnels, filming them, then demolishing them. In reality, it is Hamas who purposely hides among women & children to create collateral damage that will make Israel look bad. The want their citizens dead on a rubble pile or huddled in a humanitarian camp (with Hamas controlling the food/medicine). They then use that camp to hide mortar emplacements to fire at Israelis (picture provided above).Sam Lowry said:Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
We firebombed German and Japanese cities to break the will of the German and Japanese people, holding them accountable for the actions of their respective governments which were every bit as reprehensible as what Hamas did on October 7th. Israel is showing far greater restraint in response to provocations which are every bit as deserving of the full treatment.
The Palestinian people have chosen this path. Soberly, willingly, gladly. They hate Jews. They want the Jews dead, gone, exterminated from the river to the sea. They are a blight on the human race and should pay the price they are getting until they change their worldview.
Note the muted response from the Arab world. No one is intervening on their behalf. The Arabs are letting them pay the price....for willingly signing up to be an Iranian proxy.
No one outdoes you in that regard.
Make no mistake, it is Hezbollah—and Iran—that are pushing for a war in Israel's north.
— Mike Pompeo (@mikepompeo) June 17, 2024
Not Israel.
I was going to think of a comeback, but your Pompeo tweet made the point for me. Good grief.whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:Clearly Mr. Simons is not the only one who's been lying to you.whiterock said:Nope. the fake news is that Israel is wantonly killing tens of thousands of women & children. In reality, it was Hamas who fired daily ordnance barrages at Israel for years, indiscriminately. In reality, Israel is announcing the times/locations of their attacks and allowing women & children to flee before beginning bombardment. In reality, Israel is clearing those tunnels, filming them, then demolishing them. In reality, it is Hamas who purposely hides among women & children to create collateral damage that will make Israel look bad. The want their citizens dead on a rubble pile or huddled in a humanitarian camp (with Hamas controlling the food/medicine). They then use that camp to hide mortar emplacements to fire at Israelis (picture provided above).Sam Lowry said:Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
We firebombed German and Japanese cities to break the will of the German and Japanese people, holding them accountable for the actions of their respective governments which were every bit as reprehensible as what Hamas did on October 7th. Israel is showing far greater restraint in response to provocations which are every bit as deserving of the full treatment.
The Palestinian people have chosen this path. Soberly, willingly, gladly. They hate Jews. They want the Jews dead, gone, exterminated from the river to the sea. They are a blight on the human race and should pay the price they are getting until they change their worldview.
Note the muted response from the Arab world. No one is intervening on their behalf. The Arabs are letting them pay the price....for willingly signing up to be an Iranian proxy.
No one outdoes you in that regard.
Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
Why not make the tunnels available to Palistinians other than Gamas? Why not make the food stores available to the general population? Why not release the hostages? This war ends if the hostages are released!
Why imprison hostages in heavily populated areas?
And among civilians (if there are any), journalists, UN workers, etc.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
The question in bold above need to be asked of the Hamas over and over and over. That is the point.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Well, for one thing, this is almost certainly not true. The tunnels are said to be about one meter wide on average, which wouldn't accommodate 2.2 million people even if the space were used for nothing else and you crammed in four people per square meter. Then you have the problem of how they would eat, sleep, and carry out other bodily functions. Not to mention what Israel would do in such a situation. They've attacked tunnels before, and I'm sure most of us would keep cheerleading if they did it again.whiterock said:We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men…and should be the first duty of every journalist.
— miha schwartzenberg (@mihaschw) June 15, 2024
Sounds…orwellian. Like everything else lately.
@JakeWSimons proves it briliantly. pic.twitter.com/umeFiy9RLx
That said, despite the squalid conditions that he's proposing and the obvious futility of such a plan, I don't doubt that Simons feels perfectly justified in expecting this kind of thing from Palestinians. It says a lot more about Western attitudes toward "inferior" people than anything else.
I will give Simons credit for his persistence and dedication to spreading fake news. He's issued so many apologies and paid off so many libel claims that most people in his position would have cashed out a long time ago. He either has a prodigious talent for milking money from suckers, or he's the kind of zealot who truly believes that s***-stirring is its own reward.
Why not make the tunnels available to Palistinians other than Gamas? Why not make the food stores available to the general population? Why not release the hostages? This war ends if the hostages are released!
Why imprison hostages in heavily populated areas?
I've been surprised this hasn't alrady happened. I thought the terrorists north of Israel were just waiting for Israeli forces to be excausted and supplies reduced in order to strike a weakened Israel. It was a draw the last time these two faught and it would end up once again in a draw most likely.whiterock said:Make no mistake, it is Hezbollah—and Iran—that are pushing for a war in Israel's north.
— Mike Pompeo (@mikepompeo) June 17, 2024
Not Israel.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's quite likely that Israel's supplies are not exhausted or deleted. They probably ard about as strong as when the war began, certainly stronger than their enemies.
Also, despite regularly doing incredibly stupid things the northern terrorists probably realize they wouldn't have much chance.
Also, despite regularly doing incredibly stupid things the northern terrorists probably realize they wouldn't have much chance.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36