I'm pretty sure when the current war began Bibi wouldn't quit until the three Hamas leaders are eliminated in Qatar.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I'm pretty sure when the current war began Bibi wouldn't quit until the three Hamas leaders are eliminated in Qatar.

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That's not going to happen. It may happen if they leave Qatar but they are smart enough to enjoy their riches there. There's no way Israel is going to kill them there.

historian said:

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Hamas can end the war tomorrow by freeing all hostages and laying down their weapons. That won't happen because they are genocidal fanatics.

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*** The IDF *** can end the war tomorrow by freeing all hostages and laying down their weapons. That won't happen because they are genocidal fanatics.

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

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See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

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Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

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And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

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Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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Who is "we" ?

I am more American than most of the people on this board. My family founded and built this country. I do not support wasting money on defending Ukraine or even Europe itself and the people who are supporting that are my #1 enemy in this world.

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity. They dont appreciate the money and protection we have given them since the fall of the Soviet Union so time to cut our losses and let them defend themselves.

The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

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See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

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Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

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Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

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Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

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Yes the tourists.

KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

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I'll take the fat Americans over the rapist mooslums any day.

KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

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Fat again... I love talking with you, you make me look empathetic!

KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

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Yes the tourists.

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You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

---

Yes the tourists.

---

You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

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I don't find it is a certain Nationality. Usually it is the amount of money they have. The more, the more of *******s they are. US, Euro, Arab, Asian you name it. The more money, the more entitled and arrogant.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

---

Yes the tourists.

---

You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

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Can't say that I have noticed.

But Australians and Canadians are always fun to hang out with.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

---

Yes the tourists.

---

You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

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This is 100% true.

They are like spoiled children.

A land war with Russia would knock some humility back into them.

FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

---

Yes the tourists.

---

You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

---

I don't find it is a certain Nationality. Usually it is the amount of money they have. The more, the more of *******s they are. US, Euro, Arab, Asian you name it. The more money, the more entitled and arrogant.

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That's certainly a factor anywhere, but as someone who travels places where Westerners "stick out", it's been my experience that Euros "carry the air" in non-Western countries.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

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Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

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Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

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Yes the tourists.

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You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

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I've lived in Europe and never had that problem,

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whiterock said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

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See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

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Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

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And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

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Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

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Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

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Yes the tourists.

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You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

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I've lived in Europe and never had that problem, Aside from living in Paris I have probably been to Europe 50 times.

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

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See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

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Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

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And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

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Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

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Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

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Yes the tourists.

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You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

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I've lived in Europe and never had that problem,

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Neither have I. But I wasn't talking about Euros in Europe toward Americans.

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

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See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

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Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

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Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

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Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

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Those Muslims are also responsible for many acts of violence in many of those countries and often seem to be raping women with impunity.

I have been a tourist in Europe several times, visiting multiple countries and I've found the people to be friendly and welcoming. Granted, the last time was 20 years ago but I have mostly fond memories of those trips.

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I have been a tourist in Europe several times, visiting multiple countries and I've found the people to be friendly and welcoming. Granted, the last time was 20 years ago but I have mostly fond memories of those trips.

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Europe has changed *a whole lot* in the past 20-30 years.

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I have been a tourist in Europe several times, visiting multiple countries and I've found the people to be friendly and welcoming. Granted, the last time was 20 years ago but I have mostly fond memories of those trips.

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I was there last year, people were great. Germany, Austria, Hungary all were the very friendly.

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

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See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

---

Yes the tourists.

---

You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

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I've lived in Europe and never had that problem,

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I have found Europeans to be friendlier then anyone I've met in South Oak Cliff, East Saint Louis, Philadelphia, Detroit, Los Angeles, or Oakland.

ATL Bear said:

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J.R. said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity .

---

Can you blame them ?

Millions of fat, demanding, grotesque Americans flood into their countries every year effectively ruining the charm of much of the continent.

---

Are you talking about American tourists?
The number of Americans who actually move and establish residence in Europe is extremely tiny.

I think Europe has a much bigger issue with the tens of millions of muslims who have invaded and are effectively ruining the charm, the economy, the safety, the cities, the stability and EVERYTHING on the continent.

---

Yes the tourists.

---

You ever interact with Euros when they're abroad? They aren't fat, but are especially arrogant and overbearing. Notorious for treating staff as inferiors. They rival the Arab travelers in that category.

---

I've lived in Europe and never had that problem,

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Neither have I. But I wasn't talking about Euros in Europe toward Americans.

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yes, I know exactly what you are talking about. Never had an issue.

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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Who is "we" ?

I am more American than most of the people on this board. My family founded and built this country. I do not support wasting money on defending Ukraine or even Europe itself and the people who are supporting that are my #1 enemy in this world.

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity. They dont appreciate the money and protection we have given them since the fall of the Soviet Union so time to cut our losses and let them defend themselves.

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Get yer head out of alimentary canal.

How does a stronger, wealthier Russia with more influence over Europe benefit the USA?

How does the advance of any imperialist powers thru Asia and Europe, explicitly seeking to roll back our interests, benefit us?

At no point do war policy critics ever offer any substantive benefits to their isolationist policies, other than "nothing that happens outside our borders matter."

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Has there ever been a single war that just didn't turn you on ?

Hundreds of thousands of people are DEAD.

When the peace treaty is signed Putin will get much of what he wanted.

This nightmare should have been avoided.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

Who is "we" ?

I am more American than most of the people on this board. My family founded and built this country. I do not support wasting money on defending Ukraine or even Europe itself and the people who are supporting that are my #1 enemy in this world.

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity. They dont appreciate the money and protection we have given them since the fall of the Soviet Union so time to cut our losses and let them defend themselves.

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Get yer head out of alimentary canal.

How does a stronger, wealthier Russia with more influence over Europe benefit the USA?

How does the advance of any imperialist powers thru Asia and Europe, explicitly seeking to roll back our interests, benefit us?

At no point do war policy critics ever offer any substantive benefits to their isolationist policies, other than "nothing that happens outside our borders matter."

---

Has there ever been a single war that just didn't turn you on ?

Hundreds of thousands of people are DEAD.

When the peace treaty is signed Putin will get much of what he wanted.

This nightmare should have been avoided.

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It was inevitable when Russia grabbed Crimea and started the conflict in the Donbas a decade ago. But when peace settles, and Ukraine minus some Eastern parts and Crimea is a NATO member, maybe it will finally be clear to some that this was a war of aggression for Russian financial and resource interests.

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Some 'eastern parts ' made up primarily of ethnic Russians who were already fighting the Ukrainian central government.

Ukraine will not become a NATO partner …..period.

Therefore hundreds of thousands will have died basically for nothing .

Unclear……exactly what is your reference to Crimea ?

No doubt, and probably for the worse

That was my experience at the turn of the century with multiple trips to each of those countries (I only spent a couple hours in Hungary in 1999 and that was a border town so it might not count).

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

Who is "we" ?

I am more American than most of the people on this board. My family founded and built this country. I do not support wasting money on defending Ukraine or even Europe itself and the people who are supporting that are my #1 enemy in this world.

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity. They dont appreciate the money and protection we have given them since the fall of the Soviet Union so time to cut our losses and let them defend themselves.

---

Get yer head out of alimentary canal.

How does a stronger, wealthier Russia with more influence over Europe benefit the USA?

How does the advance of any imperialist powers thru Asia and Europe, explicitly seeking to roll back our interests, benefit us?

At no point do war policy critics ever offer any substantive benefits to their isolationist policies, other than "nothing that happens outside our borders matter."

---

Has there ever been a single war that just didn't turn you on ?

Hundreds of thousands of people are DEAD.

When the peace treaty is signed Putin will get much of what he wanted.

This nightmare should have been avoided.

---

It was inevitable when Russia grabbed Crimea and started the conflict in the Donbas a decade ago. But when peace settles, and Ukraine minus some Eastern parts and Crimea is a NATO member, maybe it will finally be clear to some that this was a war of aggression for Russian financial and resource interests.

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Some 'eastern parts ' made up primarily of ethnic Russians who were already fighting the Ukrainian central government.

Ukraine will not become a NATO partner …..period.

Therefore hundreds of thousands will have died basically for nothing .

Unclear……exactly what is your reference to Crimea ?

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Most of those came when the Soviet Union broke up.

Be careful with the precedent that there are more there now, so they should rule. With our border, you may end up living in Mexico - North

KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

---

Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

---

See Oct 7

---

An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

---

Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

---

and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

---

And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

---

Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

---

Who is "we" ?

I am more American than most of the people on this board. My family founded and built this country. I do not support wasting money on defending Ukraine or even Europe itself and the people who are supporting that are my #1 enemy in this world.

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity. They dont appreciate the money and protection we have given them since the fall of the Soviet Union so time to cut our losses and let them defend themselves.

---

Get yer head out of alimentary canal.

How does a stronger, wealthier Russia with more influence over Europe benefit the USA?

How does the advance of any imperialist powers thru Asia and Europe, explicitly seeking to roll back our interests, benefit us?

At no point do war policy critics ever offer any substantive benefits to their isolationist policies, other than "nothing that happens outside our borders matter."

---

Has there ever been a single war that just didn't turn you on ?

Hundreds of thousands of people are DEAD.

When the peace treaty is signed Putin will get much of what he wanted.

This nightmare should have been avoided.

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This war might never have happened if we had a real leader. Putin took the Crimea when Obama was prez and the current war took place under mush-for-brains, spineless, fake president Joe. And it was Obama that manipulated events in Ukraine to begin with to remove an elected leader who was friendly to Russia. The situation was stable and safe until Barack Hussein Obama screwed if up. Now we have a very expensive money laundering operation in a war between two extremely corrupt kleptocracies. And the U.S. taxpayer is the mark for this huge con job, for multiple generations.

Thanks to Joe Biden & our open border.

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Thanks to Joe Biden & our open border.

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That is the top problem right now. Have to close that border.

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Many Arabs in Judea or Samaria are genocidal terrorists you want to kill all Jews. So why should any sane person care what they think?

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Israel proper is in no real danger from the Palestinians.

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See Oct 7

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An attack that lasted a few hours and that cost the lives of 1,143 civilians and was put down rather quickly is no existential threat to a 9 million person state with a first world economy and nuclear weapons.

Heck the IDF killed 1,600 Hamas fighters (more then the Israelis they lost) and was taken by surprise in the attack. Something that will not happen again.

They have now bombed Gaza back to the Stone Age, destroyed half the homes, and killed around 30,000 Palestinians.

It's not real contest between who is stronger.

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Attack on 9/11 only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000 Americans.
Attack on Pearl Harbor only lasted a few hours and only killed 3,000.

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and in both cases we ran our armies thru the countries responsible like shyte thru a goose, for YEARS....

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And that was not necessary to our advantage.

Trillions spend, thousands of Americans dead and wounded, and basically back to square one

Taliban back in control of Afghanistan and Iran having defacto control in Iraq

Wonderful

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Japan and Germany were spectacular successes and cost a lot more money than that.

Sometimes, buddy, you gotta go stop a mudhole in someobody's arse just to remind everyone that you can stop mudholes anywhere you want to.

And we are well short of that in Ukraine. We are spending modest amounts of money to help someone else do it to Russia (so we don't have to).

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Who is "we" ?

I am more American than most of the people on this board. My family founded and built this country. I do not support wasting money on defending Ukraine or even Europe itself and the people who are supporting that are my #1 enemy in this world.

The Europeans look down on us and take advantage of America's generosity. They dont appreciate the money and protection we have given them since the fall of the Soviet Union so time to cut our losses and let them defend themselves.

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Get yer head out of alimentary canal.

How does a stronger, wealthier Russia with more influence over Europe benefit the USA?

How does the advance of any imperialist powers thru Asia and Europe, explicitly seeking to roll back our interests, benefit us?

At no point do war policy critics ever offer any substantive benefits to their isolationist policies, other than "nothing that happens outside our borders matter."

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Has there ever been a single war that just didn't turn you on ?

Hundreds of thousands of people are DEAD.

When the peace treaty is signed Putin will get much of what he wanted.

This nightmare should have been avoided.

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It was inevitable when Russia grabbed Crimea and started the conflict in the Donbas a decade ago. But when peace settles, and Ukraine minus some Eastern parts and Crimea is a NATO member, maybe it will finally be clear to some that this was a war of aggression for Russian financial and resource interests.

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Some 'eastern parts ' made up primarily of ethnic Russians who were already fighting the Ukrainian central government.

Ukraine will not become a NATO partner …..period.

Therefore hundreds of thousands will have died basically for nothing .

Unclear……exactly what is your reference to Crimea ?

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Ukraine is on the brink of NATO membership now, so I'd temper your certainty.

This war started with an invasion of Ukraine proper and an attempt to subdue the nation and the nation's capital. It was thwarted. Now for 2 years they've been mostly fighting in and over regions that had been in conflict with Russia for a decade. Crimea is part of that.

If Ukrainian independence is nothing, if resisting an invader is nothing, if fighting for your home is nothing, then sure it's for nothing.

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Likely the end of Palestine as we know it

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Israel was never going to let them actual have a State anyway.

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I've always wondered why some are so adamant about a 2 state solution. Years ago in our country we had a civil war but didn't decide on a 2 state solution.