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Our sacred democracy is real…

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1. We are not a democracy…but a Republic

2. There is nothing sacred about a temporal political union. Hopeful it's a good political Union and provides liberty and self determination to the people….but its not and never has been "sacred"

Liberals beginning to use religious language for government is very very creepy

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yes, it's creepy but it's honest. They worship government or at least power.

Government can only be "sacred" if established by God and operating by His principles. The fascists (Dems) abandoned God years ago. Today they worship themselves or some neo-pagan monstrosity.

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$500 fine for burning down a Wendy’s for BLM, and 17 years in prison for knocking over a fence on Jan 6.

2-tier justice system. pic.twitter.com/52YwyBvhqF

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) December 4, 2023

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Do you want all penalties to be determined at the Federal level?

Fulton Cty jurisdiction is different than Federal. So we want more Federal participation in the legal system? Feds determine all levels of sentencing? Or, none? You want DC City judge hearing Federal cases in DC?

How do you do consistent sentencing between Cty, State and Federal levels? Media? Game show?

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You're pretending the burning down of the building occurred in a vacuum. It didn't. They did it as part of a nationwide effort to attack our government and citizens as evidenced by all the other destruction they caused, including to federal buildings.

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So your saying the Fulton Cty should be Federal charges?

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"Hey RICO you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind! Hey RICO! Clapclapclapclap Hey RICO!"

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You mean totalitarian states such as Nazi Germany & the Soviet Union. It's probably true in modern China.

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Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc......

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BOMBSHELL.🚨

“So the FBI’s involvement was deep, not just on J6, but on the days and weeks and months prior.”

House Rep. Reveals ‘At Least 200’ Undercover Feds Set Up Trump Trap on January 6 https://t.co/uIoUktUooC

— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) November 30, 2023

What many of us knew all along.

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Yes it was kind of obvious.

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No, trump made noises about a stolen election in June 2020 and onward. Of course, the fbi kept track of his anti-democratic nonsense. He was a threat.

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Opposing the Democrat Party is not the same as opposing America. Under the Dems, however, the FBI have become the Gestapo. The fascists have committed so many crimes and lied about everything that it's difficult to keep track. But it's not impossible with some common sense and getting news from honest sources other than the Joseph Goebbels Ministry of Propaganda (CNN, networks, NY Times, etc). (They have mastered his techniques.)

And, yes it was pretty obvious that a corrupt old pedophile who has trouble remembering his family members' names & campaigned from his basement was not getting more votes than anyone in history. Unlike Joe Kennedy, Biden & the Dems tried to steal a landslide!

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You have left the realm of reality. The FBI is no Gestapo

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[The Geheime Staatspolizei, abbreviated Gestapo, was the official secret police of Nazi Germany and in German-occupied Europe. ]

[Secret police (or political police) are police, intelligence, or security agencies that engage in covert operations against a government's political, religious, or social opponents and dissidents...They protect the political power of a regime and often operate outside the law to repress dissidents and weaken political opposition, frequently using violence. They may enjoy legal sanction to hold and charge suspects]

The FBI might not be as extreme as the Gestapo but just like the FSB in Russia today or the NKVD in the old USSR it is a enforcement arm of the ruling class and the regime in charge. And it does not much care about the general public or citizens.

And the FBI has been a pretty corrupt organization that violates citizens Constitutional rights at whim for a long long time.

[A 1924 American Civil Liberties Union report warned that the FBI had become "a secret police system of a political character." In the 1930s, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court feared that the FBI had bugged the conference room where justices privately wrangled over landmark cases, as Tim Weiner noted in his "Enemies: A History of the FBI." In 1945, President Harry Truman noted that "We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. FBI is tending in that direction." And FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover compiled a list of 20,000 "potentially or actually dangerous" Americans who could be rounded up and locked away in one of the six detention camps the federal government secretly built in the 1950s.

through 1971, the FBI's COINTELPRO program conducted thousands of covert operations to incite street warfare between violent groups, to get people fired, to smear innocent people by portraying them as government informants, to sic the IRS on people, and to cripple or destroy left-wing, communist, white racist, antiwar, and black organizations (including Martin Luther King Jr.). These operations involved vast numbers of warrantless wiretaps and illicit break-ins and resulted in the murder of some black militants. A Senate Committee chaired by Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) issued a damning report on FBI abuses of power that should be mandatory reading for anyone who believes the bureau deserves deference today.

Politifact asserts that "just because the FBI sometimes operates in secret does not mean that it's a 'secret police.'" But the FBI's secrecy is profoundly skewing American politics. More than a year after the 2016 election, Americans still have no idea the true extent of the FBI's manipulation of the presidential campaign. Did the FBI wrongfully absolve Hillary Clinton on the email server issue? What role did the FBI have in financing or exploiting the Steele dossier? Will we ever learn the full truth? ]

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/364219-yes-the-fbi-is-americas-secret-police/

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The FBI is acting very much like a secret police. It already was caught setting up the "militia" guys in Michigan and catalyzing January 6. Not only its infiltration of churches and school board meetings.

I would ask Waco47 if he supports the FBI entrapping American citizens, but we know he lacks the brains or conviction to answer specifics.

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Wrong question. Ask if he would report someone here for a post he found offensive.

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red "But this propagandist idea that it was a mass "insurrection" to overthrow our "scared democracy" is pure fiction?"
Who said 'mass"? No one said "mass" that's your straw man. No matter the number it was still attempt to overthrow an election.
Our sacred democracy is real and congress was responding to a Constitution law. Those congress people who voted against impeach and those who gloss over the insurrection and those who still voted hold up the election are the insurrectionists. Their oath is to the Constitution and not DT.

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wait, what?

Elected officials who used the rules and proceedures of this "democracy" are insurrectionists for using them?!

Your train done left the rails!

That sounds like some the view grade bullsh!

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Waco1947 said:

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Our sacred democracy is real…

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1. We are not a democracy…but a Republic

2. There is nothing sacred about a temporal political union. Hopeful it's a good political Union and provides liberty and self determination to the people….but its not and never has been "sacred"

Liberals beginning to use religious language for government is very very creepy

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add to the facf that GOP is fighting against liberals and progressives
Dems are fighting against "terrorists, insurrectionists, and Nazis"

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Don’t get mad at James Carville for:

1. Saying how they all feel.
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2. Properly preparing his people mentally.

Language leads to mindset. Mindset leads to performance.

We’re fighting “liberals”. They’re fighting “terrorists”. https://t.co/NmAuI4kK94

— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) December 4, 2023

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Who cares what the singer from Smashing Pumpkins thinks?

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You mean totalitarian states such as Nazi Germany & the Soviet Union. It's probably true in modern China.

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Good examples. The scary part is that we might need to add some countries in Europe to that list, along with Canada & others. If not now, I'm the not so distant future.

https://stream.org/the-why-is-now-obvious The 'Why' is Now Obvious

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Our sacred democracy is real…

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1. We are not a democracy…but a Republic Spurious reasoning

2. There is nothing sacred about a temporal political union. Hopeful it's a good political Union and provides liberty and self determination to the people….but its not and never has been "sacred"

Liberals beginning to use religious language for government is very very creepy

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Our sacred democracy is real…

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1. We are not a democracy…but a Republic Spurious reasoning

2. There is nothing sacred about a temporal political union. Hopeful it's a good political Union and provides liberty and self determination to the people….but its not and never has been "sacred"

Liberals beginning to use religious language for government is very very creepy

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More like sound factual reasoning

[Our system of government is best described as a constitutional republic. Power is not found in mere majorities, but in carefully balanced power. Under our Constitution, passing a bill in the House of Representatives the body most reflective of current majority views isn't enough for it to become law. Legislation must also be passed by the Senate where each state is represented equally (regardless of population), where members have longer terms, and where (under current rules) a super-majority vote is typically required to bring debate to a close. Thomas Jefferson described the Senate as the "saucer" that cools hot passions more prevalent in the House. It's where consensus is forged, as senators reach compromise across regional, cultural, and partisan lines.

Once passed by both houses of Congress, a bill still doesn't become a law until it's signed (or acquiesced to) by the president who of course is elected not by popular national vote, but by the electoral college of the states.

And then, at last, the Supreme Court a body consisting not of elected officials, but rather individuals appointed to lifetime terms has the power to strike down laws that violate the Constitution. What could be more undemocratic?

….democracy itself is not the goal. The goal is freedom]

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Our sacred democracy is real…

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1. We are not a democracy…but a Republic Spurious reasoning

2. There is nothing sacred about a temporal political union. Hopeful it's a good political Union and provides liberty and self determination to the people….but its not and never has been "sacred"

Liberals beginning to use religious language for government is very very creepy

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Fact.

The Founding Fathers deliberately wanted a republic and feared democracy which is akin to mob rule (a lynch mob is a good example). The constitution does not use the word "democracy" once; it does, however, create a republic for our national government and explicitly guaranteed the same form for every state government (see Art. IV).

Read Federalist #10 for a thorough explanation of these concerns by James Madison, the "Father of the constitution."

The goal is freedom and government with the primary purpose of protecting the people's rights. That's a very Lockean idea. The Founding Fathers believed a republic was the best way to do that.

🚨 #BREAKING: @Jim_Jordan and @RepLoudermilk Launch Inquiry into Fani Willis Colluding with the January 6 Committee.

We have learned that Willis's office coordinated its investigative actions with the partisan Select Committee.

📍 DA Fani Willis: https://t.co/J3VqWmz6vQ

📍…

— House Judiciary GOP 🇺🇸 (@JudiciaryGOP) December 5, 2023

I would not be surprised if all of these bogus Trump prosecutions are the result of collusion with the fraudulent J6 committee, the criminals in the White House, & maybe others. It's like the Russian collusion hoax of 2016: the guilty parties were Barack Hussein Obama, Hillary Clinton, & possibly other fascists. If trump does win next year, there should be a total investigation of everyone including the CIA, FBI, Nancy Pelosi, the capital police, & anyone else that might be relevant. And then the guilty parties need to spend some hard time in prison. I seriously doubt any of that will happen but the country needs to expose all the corruption z& clean house. Drain the swamp!

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you dont even know what type of govt we have.. why would we listen to anything else you post as fact?

We live in a constitutional representative republic..

Its in the pledge" and to the republic"

Facts matter

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I would not be surprised if all of these bogus Trump prosecutions are the result of collusion with the fraudulent J6 committee, the criminals in the White House, & maybe others. It's like the Russian collusion hoax of 2016: the guilty parties were Barack Hussein Obama, Hillary Clinton, & possibly other fascists. If trump does win next year, there should be a total investigation of everyone including the CIA, FBI, Nancy Pelosi, the capital police, & anyone else that might be relevant. And then the guilty parties need to spend some hard time in prison. I seriously doubt any of that will happen but the country needs to expose all the corruption z& clean house. Drain the swamp!

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You can state that the Jan 6th charges are bogus once, twice, or a million times, but the charges are not bogus.

People stormed the Capitol Building to overturn the Certification of the 2020 election results: thus attempting to prevent the transfer of power from President to President-elect. The only reason that the overall scheme was not successful, is because VP Pence did not throw out the results.

You can repeat the fascist propaganda line a million times. That doesn't make it accurate. A lie is still a lie no matter how often it is repeated. Most of the people who entered the capital walked through open, unlocked doors. Some were escorted by the capital police. I've seen the video clips. That is not what an "insurrection" looks like.

And they were not trying to overthrow the government. They were protesting against a stolen election. This was pretty obvious from the beginning except, I guess, those who rely on the fascist media for their fake news.

What is particularly egregious were the dozens of riots and genuine insurrections for months in 2020 while Leftist politicians ignored them or supported them. When people rape, pillage & murder without consequence and create their own self governing enclave in a city center, that is a serious business. But the fascists didn't want Justice. They celebrated the anarchy. They didn't want to "let a crisis go to waste." That's what fascists have been doing for decades.

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You can repeat the fascist propaganda line a million times. That doesn't make it accurate. A lie is still a lie no matter how often it is repeated. Most of the people who entered the capital walked through open, unlocked doors. Some were escorted by the capital police. I've seen the video clips. That is not what an "insurrection" looks like.

And they were not trying to overthrow the government. They were protesting against a stolen election. This was pretty obvious from the beginning except, I guess, those who rely on the fascist media for their fake news.

What is particularly egregious were the dozens of riots and genuine insurrections for months in 2020 while Leftist politicians ignored them or supported them. When people rape, pillage & murder without consequence and create their own self governing enclave in a city center, that is a serious business. But the fascists didn't want Justice. They celebrated the anarchy. They didn't want to "let a crisis go to waste." That's what fascists have been doing for decades.

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It is not fascist propaganda. Using inflammatory language in your argument does not make your statement credible.

The statement to overthrow the government is credible. It was a 3 prong approach:
1. Protests to apply pressure to Congress to not approve the election results.
2. Get VP Pence to throw out the results. This did not work.
3. Trump chooses to remain in power in spite of the election. This did not work because Pense did not throw out the election results.

That is the insurrection that was going on. It was not an armed insurrection, but it was a definite play for power.
I base my analysis on facts, not "fascist media". Your claim that you know what an insurrection looks like, is off base.

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You can repeat the fascist propaganda line a million times. That doesn't make it accurate. A lie is still a lie no matter how often it is repeated. Most of the people who entered the capital walked through open, unlocked doors. Some were escorted by the capital police. I've seen the video clips. That is not what an "insurrection" looks like.

And they were not trying to overthrow the government. They were protesting against a stolen election. This was pretty obvious from the beginning except, I guess, those who rely on the fascist media for their fake news.

What is particularly egregious were the dozens of riots and genuine insurrections for months in 2020 while Leftist politicians ignored them or supported them. When people rape, pillage & murder without consequence and create their own self governing enclave in a city center, that is a serious business. But the fascists didn't want Justice. They celebrated the anarchy. They didn't want to "let a crisis go to waste." That's what fascists have been doing for decades.

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It is not fascist propaganda. Using inflammatory language in your argument does not make your statement credible.

The statement to overthrow the government is credible. It was a 3 prong approach:
1. Protests to apply pressure to Congress to not approve the election results.
2. Get VP Pence to throw out the results. This did not work.
3. Trump chooses to remain in power in spite of the election. This did not work because Pense did not throw out the election results.

That is the insurrection that was going on. It was not an armed insurrection, but it was a definite play for power.
I base my analysis on facts, not "fascist media". Your claim that you know what an insurrection looks like, is off base.

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Protests are legal. 2 and 3 are moot because it was not a coordinated attack and Trump did not "choose to remain in power". The facts prove the fbi was involved, extra security requests were denied by the left and the entire event was overblown by democrats and used to attack not only their political opponents but half the country as well. Claiming "we almost lost our democracy to an insurrection!!!" is inflammatory, not pointing out the democrat behavior for what it was and is; fascist.

I am familiar with the fascist propaganda about J6 and it is not entirely accurate about what actually happened. Calling it inflammatory doesn't make it untrue. It is an accurate description of certain people in contemporary American politics. Most people do not understand what that term actually means. Adding to the confusion is that the fascists themselves make a practice of throwing the label around indiscriminately. They are masters of projecting their own sins into others..

Fascism (/fzm/ FASH-iz-m) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived ...

My question is:
Who is the "dictatorial leader" with whom you reference? Is it Trump (who was in power at the time) or Biden (who is not fully with it)?

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You can repeat the fascist propaganda line a million times. That doesn't make it accurate. A lie is still a lie no matter how often it is repeated. Most of the people who entered the capital walked through open, unlocked doors. Some were escorted by the capital police. I've seen the video clips. That is not what an "insurrection" looks like.

And they were not trying to overthrow the government. They were protesting against a stolen election. This was pretty obvious from the beginning except, I guess, those who rely on the fascist media for their fake news.

What is particularly egregious were the dozens of riots and genuine insurrections for months in 2020 while Leftist politicians ignored them or supported them. When people rape, pillage & murder without consequence and create their own self governing enclave in a city center, that is a serious business. But the fascists didn't want Justice. They celebrated the anarchy. They didn't want to "let a crisis go to waste." That's what fascists have been doing for decades.

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It is not fascist propaganda. Using inflammatory language in your argument does not make your statement credible.

The statement to overthrow the government is credible. It was a 3 prong approach:
1. Protests to apply pressure to Congress to not approve the election results.
2. Get VP Pence to throw out the results. This did not work.
3. Trump chooses to remain in power in spite of the election. This did not work because Pense did not throw out the election results.

That is the insurrection that was going on. It was not an armed insurrection, but it was a definite play for power.
I base my analysis on facts, not "fascist media". Your claim that you know what an insurrection looks like, is off base.

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Protests are legal. 2 and 3 are moot because it was not a coordinated attack and Trump did not "choose to remain in power". The facts prove the fbi was involved, extra security requests were denied by the left and the entire event was overblown by democrats and used to attack not only their political opponents but half the country as well. Claiming "we almost lost our democracy to an insurrection!!!" is inflammatory, not pointing out the democrat behavior for what it was and is; fascist.

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Items 1 & 2 were to occur at the same time, item 3 following right after. I believe it was coordinated.

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You can repeat the fascist propaganda line a million times. That doesn't make it accurate. A lie is still a lie no matter how often it is repeated. Most of the people who entered the capital walked through open, unlocked doors. Some were escorted by the capital police. I've seen the video clips. That is not what an "insurrection" looks like.

And they were not trying to overthrow the government. They were protesting against a stolen election. This was pretty obvious from the beginning except, I guess, those who rely on the fascist media for their fake news.

What is particularly egregious were the dozens of riots and genuine insurrections for months in 2020 while Leftist politicians ignored them or supported them. When people rape, pillage & murder without consequence and create their own self governing enclave in a city center, that is a serious business. But the fascists didn't want Justice. They celebrated the anarchy. They didn't want to "let a crisis go to waste." That's what fascists have been doing for decades.

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It is not fascist propaganda. Using inflammatory language in your argument does not make your statement credible.

The statement to overthrow the government is credible. It was a 3 prong approach:
1. Protests to apply pressure to Congress to not approve the election results.
2. Get VP Pence to throw out the results. This did not work.
3. Trump chooses to remain in power in spite of the election. This did not work because Pense did not throw out the election results.

That is the insurrection that was going on. It was not an armed insurrection, but it was a definite play for power.
I base my analysis on facts, not "fascist media". Your claim that you know what an insurrection looks like, is off base.

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Protests are legal. 2 and 3 are moot because it was not a coordinated attack and Trump did not "choose to remain in power". The facts prove the fbi was involved, extra security requests were denied by the left and the entire event was overblown by democrats and used to attack not only their political opponents but half the country as well. Claiming "we almost lost our democracy to an insurrection!!!" is inflammatory, not pointing out the democrat behavior for what it was and is; fascist.

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Items 1 & 2 were to occur at the same time, item 3 following right after. I believe it was coordinated.

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The suppression of exculpatory evidence also occurred at the same time during the Jan6 witch trials that put protestors in prison for years. But fascist regimes don't suppress evidence in order to imprison political opponents, right?

Which trial was this information suppressed? or was it not available at the time?

Did this new video offer proof that the old video did not happen? I did see some criminal behavior on the old video. If there is 59 minutes of a person being in good behavior and 1 minute of the person breaking the law, did not that person break the law?

Was anyone convicted of witchcraft at these trials?

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You can repeat the fascist propaganda line a million times. That doesn't make it accurate. A lie is still a lie no matter how often it is repeated. Most of the people who entered the capital walked through open, unlocked doors. Some were escorted by the capital police. I've seen the video clips. That is not what an "insurrection" looks like.

And they were not trying to overthrow the government. They were protesting against a stolen election. This was pretty obvious from the beginning except, I guess, those who rely on the fascist media for their fake news.

What is particularly egregious were the dozens of riots and genuine insurrections for months in 2020 while Leftist politicians ignored them or supported them. When people rape, pillage & murder without consequence and create their own self governing enclave in a city center, that is a serious business. But the fascists didn't want Justice. They celebrated the anarchy. They didn't want to "let a crisis go to waste." That's what fascists have been doing for decades.

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It is not fascist propaganda. Using inflammatory language in your argument does not make your statement credible.

The statement to overthrow the government is credible. It was a 3 prong approach:
1. Protests to apply pressure to Congress to not approve the election results.
2. Get VP Pence to throw out the results. This did not work.
3. Trump chooses to remain in power in spite of the election. This did not work because Pense did not throw out the election results.

That is the insurrection that was going on. It was not an armed insurrection, but it was a definite play for power.
I base my analysis on facts, not "fascist media". Your claim that you know what an insurrection looks like, is off base.

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Protests are legal. 2 and 3 are moot because it was not a coordinated attack and Trump did not "choose to remain in power". The facts prove the fbi was involved, extra security requests were denied by the left and the entire event was overblown by democrats and used to attack not only their political opponents but half the country as well. Claiming "we almost lost our democracy to an insurrection!!!" is inflammatory, not pointing out the democrat behavior for what it was and is; fascist.

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Items 1 & 2 were to occur at the same time, item 3 following right after. I believe it was coordinated.

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except 1 had opposite effect of your claim.. pence did the standard VP thing on Jan 6, Trump did the standard POTUS thing on Jan 20

Mental gymnastics to get to insurrection..

What we saw was protests, a riot that lead to impeeding a govt proceeding.

We know the FBI was involved, the Dems refused additional security help, they cherry picked what you saw during J6 hearings, we know they pressed the media to report or bury certain stories, the Dems pressed social media to remove Trumps account so his tweets and videos couldnt be seen..

You saw what you were told to see

I saw the video in real time and made up my mind (on my own) that the protesters crossed the line.

Several testimonies confirm items 1 and 2. It does not require much mental gymnastics for me.

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I saw the video in real time and made up my mind (on my own) that the protesters crossed the line.

Several testimonies confirm items 1 and 2. It does not require much mental gymnastics for me.

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How did you see videos in real time that were not released until a couple months ago?

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Which trial was this information suppressed? or was it not available at the time?

Did this new video offer proof that the old video did not happen? I did see some criminal behavior on the old video. If there is 59 minutes of a person being in good behavior and 1 minute of the person breaking the law, did not that person break the law?

Was anyone convicted of witchcraft at these trials?

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Nope, and none were convicted of insurrection, either. Your ignorance of the facts on this topic is no defense of your opinion. I would suggest perusing the multiple threads here that contain posts with links to the news stories that came out that exposed suppressed videos from court cases, of the number of fbi assets involved from the very beginning, of the overcharging of protestors, and of the abuses that stemmed from the accusations by democrats. Once you catch up with the rest of us THEN and only then should you bring your opinions to the public forum. I doubt anyone will take the time to start at beginning and walk you through all the discoveries made since the 3 hour riot so it's up to you to do the work. You can do it, you're smart enough and I have faith in you.

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1. We are not a democracy…but a Republic Yet we vote which an act of freedom and an act
democracy.

2. There is nothing sacred about a temporal political union. Hopeful it's a good political Union and provides liberty and self determination to the people….but its not and never has been "sacred" This is Silliness of course. It is a sacred right. " When you are dedicated to something, you are devoted to a cause or ideal, like dedicated volunteers at the animal shelter who show up even in snowstorms and on holidays." Vocabulary.com


Liberals beginning to use religious language for government is very very creepy Mike Johnson says that he will by what the bible say. Liberals don't buy that idea. Clean up your side of the street.

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Liberals beginning to use religious language for government is very very creepy Mike Johnson says that he will by what the bible say. Liberals don't buy that idea. Clean up your side of the street.

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I saw the video in real time and made up my mind (on my own) that the protesters crossed the line.

Several testimonies confirm items 1 and 2. It does not require much mental gymnastics for me.

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they crossed a line- thats why it was a riot

That riot stopped any electoral protest that might have happened(electoral protest is a procedure in our election laws)

Pence was asked to do something, he didnt. There was no recourse or leverage against him as he was out of a job anyway just like Trump.

Trump left just fine no matter what people said.. lots of people say things, its what they do (which was pack up and leave..)

Could care less who you vote for and why, its your right to vote but at least be informed and dig deep into both sides and make an informed decision.

Calling me uninformed?I think that many of your ilk are ignoring a lot of the things that happened.

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Calling me uninformed?I think that many of your ilk are ignoring a lot of the things that happened.

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The proof is in your posts.

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Which trial was this information suppressed? or was it not available at the time?

Did this new video offer proof that the old video did not happen? I did see some criminal behavior on the old video. If there is 59 minutes of a person being in good behavior and 1 minute of the person breaking the law, did not that person break the law?

Was anyone convicted of witchcraft at these trials?

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Nope, and none were convicted of insurrection, either. Your ignorance of the facts on this topic is no defense of your opinion. I would suggest perusing the multiple threads here that contain posts with links to the news stories that came out that exposed suppressed videos from court cases, of the number of fbi assets involved from the very beginning, of the overcharging of protestors, and of the abuses that stemmed from the accusations by democrats. Once you catch up with the rest of us THEN and only then should you bring your opinions to the public forum. I doubt anyone will take the time to start at beginning and walk you through all the discoveries made since the 3 hour riot so it's up to you to do the work. You can do it, you're smart enough and I have faith in you.

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Calling me ignorant is a cheap debate tactic. I objectively watched the Jan 6th hearings and there was quite a bit of evidence presented that people broke the law. Did you watch the Jan 6 Hearings? or did you and your friends just know that the information was wrong without objectively listening to it.

Stewart Rhodes (leader of the Oath Keepers) was convicted of Seditious Conspiracy.