Elite university presidents refuse to condemn calls for genocide!

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https://notthebee.com/article/the-presidents-of-harvard-penn-and-mit-were-asked-if-calling-for-the-genocide-of-jews-violated-their-schools-codes-of-conduct-none-of-them-were-able-to-say-yes
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Micro-aggressions are abuse.

Actual aggression not so much.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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Exchange "Elite University" with "Leftist/Socialist University" and you have an accurate thread title.
historian
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Nowadays "elite" is a term used very loosely!
KaiBear
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Bigotry against Jews has always been part of American life.

We just like to pretend otherwise.

Exactly why it is so prevalent I have never understood.

Maybe it is due to envy of an intelligent and successful group of people.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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KaiBear said:

Bigotry against Jews has always been part of American life.

We just like to pretend otherwise.

Exactly why it is so prevalent I have never understood.

Maybe it is due to envy of an intelligent and successful group of people.
My very first boss who was founder and CEO of the company was Jewish. Originally from New York and a graduate of the University of Texas. He was one of the most intelligent and kindest men I have ever known.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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historian
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Bigotry against Jews has existed throughout human history and it defies rational explanation. Think about Queen Esther. Mark Twain attributed to jealousy. It's as good an explanation as any but not really enough, not for 4,000+ years.

Then again, all bigotry is irrational by nature. By any rational standard, Hamas shouldn't even exist.
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historian said:

Bigotry against Jews has existed throughout human history and it defies rational explanation.




Ashamed to mention how Catholics have persecuted Jews throughout the centuries.

Was pleased when Pope John Paul formally apologized to the Jewish people for such injustices.
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Frankly, I think many use the "Jesus stain" as a sort of justification for it. I've seen people in this forum throw out some of those dog whistle arguments.
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ATL Bear said:

Frankly, I think many use the "Jesus stain" as a sort of justification for it. I've seen people in this forum throw out some of those dog whistle arguments.


Thankfully most Christians no longer believe in such a stain.
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KaiBear said:

ATL Bear said:

Frankly, I think many use the "Jesus stain" as a sort of justification for it. I've seen people in this forum throw out some of those dog whistle arguments.


Thankfully most Christians no longer believe in such a stain.

Yep. We all set up the death of Jesus.
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Thank God Hitler drove all the brilliant Jewish physicist out of Germany due to his stupidity. Ashkenazi Jews reportedly have very high IQ's. It seems to be supported by all the brilliant Jewish scientist that have come out of Eastern Europe.

https://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

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Redbrickbear
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[This appalling display reveals once again that the American ruling class is morally bankrupt. A sweeping statement, yes, but I believe it. The billionaire investor and Harvard alumnus Bill Ackman did his own private polling of Harvard faculty, who complained to him that it is impossible to say what you really think at Harvard, without fear of cancellation. Read his entire 1,700 word report, in the form of an open letter to Harvard president Claudine Gay. Last week, interviewing one of the dissidents jailed for opposing the Communist government of Czechoslovakia, I asked for a list of characteristics of totalitarianism. The first thing the man said was, "When you cannot speak the truth about reality out of fear of consequences."

This is Harvard! It's a soft-totalitarian madrassa and the most important university in the world. You wonder why all the American elites are on the same side ideologically? Because they were trained at these institutions. Because the ideology into which they have been groomed is their normal. Because dissent is not allowed.

Once again, I am reminded of what a European friend who spent a year at Harvard on a fellowship a few years back told me about the most important lesson he learned there: that the nascent American elite are too psychologically fragile to deal with ideas that trouble them, and that Harvard accommodates and reinforces that fragility. He told me that none of them doubt that they have the right to rule the world, but that they cannot abide dissent.
John Sailer of the National Association of Scholars explains in an important tweet what's going on here. Click on the tweet to watch his seminar going more in-depth:

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We can't understand what's going on at universities right now without understanding what's happened to faculty hiring. I've become convinced that this is the crux of so many issues in academia today. After investigating and writing on faculty hiring for over a year, I've found an evidence of widespread viewpoint discrimination and rampant racial preferences. (See my seminar at Stanford, which is linked below.) On civil rights law, universities act with a sense of impunity combined with a seeming ignorance of what the law actual requires. Even more concerning, they regularly adopt and encourage policies that perpetuate a narrow orthodoxy on campus.
In practice, the use of DEI litmus tests functions as a wide open call for weeding out scholars and scientists with even moderately controversial social and political views and especially those with the wrong beliefs on issues of social justice. To put it more concretely, universities regularly give additional points both in faculty hiring and in the promotion and tenure process for "contributions to DEI." At times, they gives a significant weight to DEI criterion, such that a bad diversity statement could sink a candidates' prospects, including in the hard sciences. It would be consistent with the most common guidance for a scientist or scholar to be rewarded for showing how they've conducted research on decolonization, hosted decolonization seminars and reading groups, and attended protests on and off campus for the cause of decolonization. (If you don't believe this, take a look at Emory University's rubric for evaluating diversity contributions, which I cite my seminar.) I strongly suspect that some young PhDs on the job market right now have noted in their diversity statements how they attended anti-Israel protests.

At the same time, the guidance provided by many universities (see UC Berkeley's rubric for assessing DEI, which I discuss in the seminar) would very clearly penalize a job candidate for the following statement: "I believe in treating students as individuals, not as members of groups. Because of this ideal, I strive to treat all of my students equally. I object to the practice of identity-based affinity groups, because we should never separate students on the basis of race." I'm not speculating about this (watch the seminar). At many universities, this would unequivocally land a job candidate a low DEI score.
The end result: a massive echo chamber, where dissenting voices are weeded out, self-select out, or simply decide that speaking up is too costly. We shouldn't be surprised when American university faculty members applaud Hamas's attack or valorize the image of a paraglider. University professors should be allowed to say whatever they want, even abhorrent nonsense. But they should be in an environment where espousing abhorrent nonsense will ultimately embarrass them. That's clearly not the case, in large part because institutional policy at universities favor narrow range of acceptable views. And while right now, the aftermath of the Hamas attack is the most salient example, this dynamic extends broadly.

From an excellent tweet by psychology professor Geoffrey Miller:

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The situation at Harvard is not unusual. The leaders of academia are not typically leading academics, in the sense of highly productive researchers or widely respected teachers. One might say they are career bureaucrats - but that would misunderstand their crucial ideological function. The American people need to understand that in modern universities, both public and private, administrators function more like party political officers in communist Russian or Chinese universities. They are selected, throughout their careers, largely for their political commitments, and their willingness to enforce them. Like Cold War commissars, their allegiance is to the party, not to academia where they happen to work.
I mean 'party' quite literally: the Democratic party. Most American university administrators are loyal Democrats, and can't really imagine why anyone wouldn't be. Very few are Republicans or Libertarians. And an increasing proportion of them are fully woke identitarian Leftists: they often launched their careers with a short series of papers on woke topics, using woke ideological frameworks, published in woke journals - before turning to the administrative track that offers much more political power to propagandize, indoctrinate, and control. '

So what?', you might ask. I've seen many calls for university administrators to enforce the rules of classical liberalism and free speech more fairly. This is like asking a Soviet-era commissar to abandon their Communist party allegiance, and to develop an entirely new identity and ethos grounded in an ideology that they have spent their entire career fighting.
It will not happen. Political animals do not change their spots.

What do we do about this? I don't know, but I do know that this is a crossroads for our country, and indeed for our civilization.] -Rod Dreher
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The US government needs to provide less dollars to Universities. The US needs to Prohibit foreign governments from investing in our Universities too. US citizens need to be very selective about donating money to Universities.

Dollars talk.
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Osodecentx
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It can be done well.

This is the Statement of Ben Sasse made on the Tuesday after the Hamas atrocities.
"I will not tiptoe around this simple fact: What Hamas did is evil and there is no defense for terrorism. This shouldn't be hard. Sadly, too many people in elite academia have been so weakened by their moral confusion that, when they see videos of raped women, hear of a beheaded baby, or learn of a grandmother murdered in her home, the first reaction of some is to 'provide context' and try to blame the raped women, beheaded baby, or the murdered grandmother. In other grotesque cases, they express simple support for the terrorists.
"This thinking isn't just wrong, it's sickening. It's dehumanizing. It is beneath people called to educate our next generation of Americans. I am thankful to say I haven't seen examples of that here at UF, either from our faculty or our student body. . . .
"In the coming days, it is possible that anti-Israel protests will come to UF's campus. I have told our police chief and administration that this university always has two foundational commitments: We will protect our students and we will protect speech. This is always true: Our Constitution protects the rights of people to make abject idiots of themselves. . . .
"When evil raises its head, as it has in recent days, it is up to men and women of conscience and courage to draw strength from truth and commit ourselves to the work of building something betterto the work of pursuing justice and pursuing peace. That is what we aim to do through education, compassion, and truth here at the University of Florida."
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Condemning calls for genocide against any group of people should not be controversial. Pretty shocking these folks cannot condemn anti-Jewish genocide. Placed in the context where repeating science and acknowledging a person with a ***** is a man could likely get one expelled, it is even more shocking.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Condemning calls for genocide against any group of people should not be controversial. Pretty shocking these folks cannot condemn anti-Jewish genocide. Placed in the context where repeating science and acknowledging a person with a ***** is a man could likely get one expelled, it is even more shocking.

They have been preaching anti-White ideology for decades....not surprising at all that this kind of thing has begun to reach out and touch other ethnic groups.

Once you start teaching a hateful ideology it will only expand and become more hateful....not less so

Especially the idea that you can not be racist unless you have power....that is a massive loop hole that is used to justify outright hate and even calls for genocide.


Even Baylor teaches this kind of stuff....

"Yet, the power of whiteness and white supremacy culture runs on autopilot"

https://communityconnection.web.baylor.edu/news/story/2020/i-follow-jesus-and-contribute-racism-question-mark

[Racism is, at a minimum, prejudice plus power]

https://ifl.web.baylor.edu/sites/g/files/ecbvkj771/files/2022-11/RacismStudyGuides.pdf
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Vae Victis said:

Thank God Hitler drove all the brilliant Jewish physicist out of Germany due to his stupidity. Ashkenazi Jews reportedly have very high IQ's. It seems to be supported by all the brilliant Jewish scientist that have come out of Eastern Europe.

https://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf



God often works through history in ways that we find very surprising. That's natural because our understanding of everything is limited. He is God and we are not.
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One thing we can do is refuse to vote for anyone with an Ivy League education! Seriously, though the solution is much more complicated & difficult. We probably should look for leaders from other sources, though. I still have hopes that Baylor can be such a place.
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Redbrickbear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Condemning calls for genocide against any group of people should not be controversial. Pretty shocking these folks cannot condemn anti-Jewish genocide. Placed in the context where repeating science and acknowledging a person with a ***** is a man could likely get one expelled, it is even more shocking.

They have been preaching anti-White ideology for decades....no surprising at all that this kind of thing as begun to reach out and touch other ethnic groups.

Once you start teaching a hateful ideology it will only expand and become more hateful....not less so

Especially the idea that you can not be racist unless you have power....that is a massive loop hole that is used to justify outright hate and even calls for genocide.


Even Baylor teaches this kind of stuff....

"Yet, the power of whiteness and white supremacy culture runs on autopilot"

https://communityconnection.web.baylor.edu/news/story/2020/i-follow-jesus-and-contribute-racism-question-mark

[Racism is, at a minimum, prejudice plus power]

https://ifl.web.baylor.edu/sites/g/files/ecbvkj771/files/2022-11/RacismStudyGuides.pdf
The left is Orwellian and continually redefines terms to mislead and confuse basic reality.
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Sasse had an intelligent response. This should be the model for every institution of higher learning.
Osodecentx
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historian said:

Sassy had an intelligent response. This should be the model for every institution of higher learning.
It shouldn't be difficult
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Osodecentx
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Ackman says Harvard president was an affirmative action hire.

Bill Ackman, a billionaire investor and Harvard alumnus, insisted on social media this week that the appointment of Dr. Gay was connected to the university's goals for diversity, equity and inclusion.
"Shrinking the pool of candidates based on required race, gender, and/or sexual orientation criteria is not the right approach to identifying the best leaders for our most prestigious universities," Mr. Ackman wrote in a post on X. "And it is also not good for those awarded the office of president who find themselves in a role that they would likely not have obtained were it not for a fat finger on the scale."

And the battle on A is joined:
Ibram X. Kendi, the director of the Center for Antiracist Research at Boston University, argued Friday on X that it was "racist and sexist" to "assume superior White and male leaders earn their positions through merit, and inferior Black and woman leaders receive their positions due to identity."

Dr. Kendi added, "These ideas show up in times of crisis: The Black and woman leader is assumed to be the problem." He declined further comment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-apology-crimson.html

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Osodecentx said:

historian said:

Sassy had an intelligent response. This should be the model for every institution of higher learning.
It shouldn't be difficult

Apparently it is since he's the exception & not the rule. To be, fair it's possible that lots of university administrators have fond this and it's not bring reported. But I doubt it.
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Osodecentx said:

Ackman says Harvard president was an affirmative action hire.

Bill Ackman, a billionaire investor and Harvard alumnus, insisted on social media this week that the appointment of Dr. Gay was connected to the university's goals for diversity, equity and inclusion.
"Shrinking the pool of candidates based on required race, gender, and/or sexual orientation criteria is not the right approach to identifying the best leaders for our most prestigious universities," Mr. Ackman wrote in a post on X. "And it is also not good for those awarded the office of president who find themselves in a role that they would likely not have obtained were it not for a fat finger on the scale."

And the battle on A is joined:
Ibram X. Kendi, the director of the Center for Antiracist Research at Boston University, argued Friday on X that it was "racist and sexist" to "assume superior White and male leaders earn their positions through merit, and inferior Black and woman leaders receive their positions due to identity."

Dr. Kendi added, "These ideas show up in times of crisis: The Black and woman leader is assumed to be the problem." He declined further comment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-apology-crimson.html



Unfortunately, all to often people in prominent positions are hired due to identity politics. The current press secretary is the most obvious example. To be fair to her, a black lesbian, she is in the unenviable position of having to lie daily and defend the indefensible.

Ibram X. Kendi is a race hustler & one of the most racist people in the public sphere.
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boognish_bear said:


That's excellent. He forgot to add that Stefanic game them multiple times to course correct and they all doubled down on wrong and stupid.
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historian said:

One thing we can do is refuse to vote for anyone such an Ivy League education! Seriously, though the dilution is much more complicated & difficult. We probably look for leaders from other sources, though. I still have hopes that Baylor can be such a place.
Easy there, Big Boy! Vivek Ramaswamy graduated from Harvard and has a law degree from Yale. Ron DeSantis graduated from Yale and has a law degree from Harvard. Donald Trump graduated from Penn-- Wharton School of Business.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

historian said:

One thing we can do is refuse to vote for anyone such an Ivy League education! Seriously, though the dilution is much more complicated & difficult. We probably look for leaders from other sources, though. I still have hopes that Baylor can be such a place.
Easy there, Big Boy! Vivek Ramaswamy graduated from Harvard and has a law degree from Yale. Ron DeSantis graduated from Yale and has a law degree from Harvard. Donald Trump graduated from Penn-- Wharton School of Business.

I did not say it would be easy! In fact I said it would be difficult.

Note: I corrected errors in the original.
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Boo hoo!

"Denying me higher education.."

Girl, you were on scholarship. There are conditions to being on scholarship but you had to let your anti-Jew hatred show.

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Jack Bauer said:

Boo hoo!

"Denying me higher education.."

Girl, you were on scholarship. There are conditions to being on scholarship but you had to let your anti-Jew hatred show.


This ungrateful, entitled, terroristic little girl is damn lucky she does not have to exit our country. She had better fly straight or may soon become the wife of a Middle Eastern goat *ucker!
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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Harrison Bergeron
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Our society is going to have to reckon with hiring moron tokens vs intelligent people.
 
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