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Trump has his share of problems: narcissism, questionable practices as a businessman, "reality TV" star, some poor choices as president, outrageous spending levels as president, Fauci, etc. Despite all that and more, his record of accomplishments far exceed the senile, corrupt, pedophile who currently pretends to be president (when he can remember his title or his wife's name).

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I would amend your post to say it's not so much that he had a bunch of accomplishments (he didn't), as that he did far less damage to the country than his successor.

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Yeah this economy blows...

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Trump has his share of problems: narcissism, questionable practices as a businessman, "reality TV" star, some poor choices as president, outrageous spending levels as president, Fauci, etc. Despite all that and more, his record of accomplishments far exceed the senile, corrupt, pedophile who currently pretends to be president (when he can remember his title or his wife's name).

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I would amend your post to say it's not so much that he had a bunch of accomplishments (he didn't), as that he did far less damage to the country than his successor.

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Yeah this economy blows...

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Well, when you consider a substantial cost of living increase under Biden means that even under a recovering economy, Americans are poorer now than we were when he first took office, perhaps blows is too strong a word, but most Americans aren't doing so well right now, in case you didn't notice.

But I thought you were of the general idea that the president has very little to do with the economy anyway.

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New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/18/opinion/trump-cabinet-election-2024.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/18/opinion/trump-cabinet-election-2024.html?smid=url-share


A president's cabinet is full of great character witnesses.

The president chose them. They said yes. They worked together closely. These cabinet-level appointees saw Donald Trump up close.

And they decided they couldn't stand by him.


OPINION

WHAT 17 OF TRUMP'S 'BEST PEOPLE' SAID ABOUT HIM

By Sarah Longwell
Ms. Longwell is the publisher of The Bulwark, a conservative news outlet, and the founder of the Republican Accountability Project.


In the history of presidential cabinets, former President Donald Trump's stands out for two qualities: turnover and dissension. Mr. Trump churned through cabinet-level appointees so fast that at times it seemed like he was still on "The Apprentice" and had to fire one official every week. These appointees didn't start out opposed to Mr. Trump. Not only are they people whom Mr. Trump chose he claimed he would hire the "best people" they are people who thought Mr. Trump was worth working for. But many of them quickly became alarmed by Mr. Trump's personality, temperament and policy aims.
This matters because, as his comfortable victory at the Iowa caucuses demonstrates, Mr. Trump is almost certain to be the Republican nominee for president for a record-matching third time (only Richard Nixon was nominated as often) and has coin-flip odds of becoming president again. Judging only by the words of many former high-level appointees, a second Trump term would be catastrophic for the country. There was endless reporting that was critical of Mr. Trump's administration. Some of this criticism may be cast as unreliable because it came from anonymous or hopelessly biased sources. But people who worked closely with Mr. Trump whom he trusted, who worked with him every day, who saw him in private when the cameras were off cannot be so easily dismissed.
Those who have spoken out must continue to do so, and those who have been content to silently hope that Mr. Trump's campaign would self-destruct should break their silence. They must take their concerns directly to the voters the only people who can save us from the disaster of a second term of President Trump.

The Servicemen

Mark Milley
A career Army officer who served in a variety of roles and regions before becoming chief of staff of the Army, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Oct. 1, 2019. Mr. Trump never fired him, but he did later suggest he deserved execution. Mr. Milley criticized Mr. Trump in a speech without naming him.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Sept. 29, 2023
We don't take an oath to a country. We don't take an oath to a tribe. We don't take an oath to a religion. We don't take an oath to a king or a queen, or to a tyrant or a dictator. And we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator."


Richard Spencer
Secretary of the Navy from Aug. 3, 2019, to Nov. 24, 2019, and a Marines veteran who spent most of his career in finance. He was fired after he asked Mr. Trump not to reverse the Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher's demotion as punishment for a war crime.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Nov. 27, 2019
The president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices."


H.R. McMaster
A career Army officer who saw combat in the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan. He was the White House national security adviser from Feb. 20, 2017, to April 9, 2018. He was seen as one of the "adults in the room" until Trump replaced him via tweet.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 7, 2021
President Trump and other officials have repeatedly compromised our principles in pursuit of partisan advantage and personal gain."


James Mattis
Secretary of Defense from Jan. 20, 2017, to Dec. 31, 2018, and a former four-star Marine Corps General who resigned partially over Mr. Trump's announcement of an immediate withdrawal of American troops from their fight against ISIL in Syria.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

June 3, 2020
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society."


Mark Esper
Secretary of Defense from Jul. 23, 2019, to Nov. 9, 2020, and an Army veteran whose first public disagreement with Mr. Trump came when he opposed using active-duty military personnel to control protests after the death of George Floyd. He was fired before he could resign.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Oct. 1, 2023
I have a lot of concerns about Donald Trump. I have said that he's a threat to democracy. I think the last year, certainly the last few months of Donald Trump's presidency, will look like the first few months of the next one if that were to occur."


John Kelly
White House chief of staff from July 28, 2017, to Jan. 2, 2019, and secretary of Homeland Security from Jan. 20, 2017, to July 31, 2017. He is a retired four-star Marine Corps general who was hired to bring order to the White House.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Oct. 2, 2023
A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution and the rule of law."


The Party Loyalists

Elaine Chao
Secretary of Transportation from Jan. 31, 2017, to Jan. 11, 2021, and secretary of Labor under George W. Bush. She resigned after the events of Jan. 6 and has faced consistent racist attacks from Mr. Trump ever since.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6, Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Aug. 4. 2022
I think the events at the Capitol, however they occurred, were shocking. And it was something that, as I mentioned in my statement, that I could not put aside."


Alex Azar
Secretary of Health and Human Services from Jan. 29, 2018, to Jan. 20, 2021, and an attorney and former pharmaceutical executive. He remained through Mr. Trump's term but criticized him for the events of Jan. 6 on his way out.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 12, 2021
Unfortunately, the actions and rhetoric following the election, especially during this past week, threaten to tarnish these and other historic legacies of this administration. The attacks on the Capitol were an assault on our democracy and on the tradition of peaceful transitions of power that the United States of America first brought to the world."


Rex Tillerson
Secretary of State from Feb. 1, 2017, to March 31, 2018, and a businessman who spent his entire career at ExxonMobil. Mr. Trump publicly challenged him to "I.Q. tests" before apparently thinking better of it and firing him by tweet.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

July 20, 2017
Moron," Mr. Tillerson reportedly said of Mr. Trump.


Dan Coats
Director of National Intelligence from March 16, 2017, to Aug. 15, 2019, and a former senator and U.S. ambassador to Germany. He butted heads with Mr. Trump over Russia's election interference and criticized him for his handling of classified documents.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term.
Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

July 27, 2023
It's more than just a bunch of papers and what big deal is this and so forth. Lives can be lost."


Betsy DeVos
Secretary of Education from Feb. 7, 2017, to Jan. 8, 2021, who was chair of the Republican Party of Michigan. She resigned after the riots of Jan. 6, placing the blame on Mr. Trump for his incendiary rhetoric.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term.
Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Oct. 13, 2022
I didn't feel he did what he needed to do to stop what was happening."


Mick Mulvaney
Acting White House chief of staff from Jan. 2, 2019, to March 31, 2020, director of the Office of Management and Budget from Feb. 16, 2017, to March 31, 2020, and a former congressman from South Carolina. He wrote an op-ed published just after the 2020 election claiming that Mr. Trump would "concede gracefully" if he lost.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term.
Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 7, 2021
It will always be, 'Oh, yeah, you work for the guy who tried to overtake the government.'"


William Barr
Attorney general from Feb. 14, 2019, to Dec. 23, 2020, and a lawyer who worked for the C.I.A. before becoming attorney general under George H.W. Bush. He resigned over Mr. Trump's claims of election fraud after the 2020 election.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

June 18, 2023
The fact of the matter is he is a consummate narcissist and he constantly engages in reckless conduct that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and Republican agenda at risk. … He will always put his own interest and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country's interest. There's no question about it. … He's like a 9-year-old, a defiant 9-year-old kid, who's always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table defying his parents to stop him from doing it."


John Bolton
White House national security adviser from April 9, 2018, to Sept. 10, 2019. He is a lawyer who was assistant attorney general for Ronald Reagan and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. Whether he was fired or resigned is a matter of dispute.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

June 22, 2023
By the time I left the White House,
I was convinced he was not fit to be president. … I think it is a danger for the United States if he gets a second term."


The Candidates

Mike Pompeo
Secretary of State from April 26, 2018, to Jan. 20, 2021, and director of the C.I.A. from Jan. 23, 2017, to April 26, 2018. He was a former Army officer and former congressman from Kansas who flirted with a presidential run while making oblique criticisms of Mr. Trump.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues.
Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Nov. 15, 2022
We need more seriousness, less noise, and leaders who are looking forward, not staring in the rearview mirror claiming victimhood."


Mike Pence
Vice president from Jan. 20, 2017, to Jan. 20, 2021, and a former governor of Indiana. Mr. Trump said the rioters chanting "Hang Mike Pence" on Jan. 6 had some legitimate gripes, given Mr. Pence declined to overturn the results of the election. He later made a short-lived run for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Aug. 23, 2023
He asked me to put him over the Constitution and I chose the Constitution, and I always will."


Nikki Haley
U.N. ambassador from Jan. 25, 2017, to Dec. 31, 2018, and a former governor of South Carolina. She criticized Mr. Trump after Jan. 6, but her presidential run has seen her attempt to maintain her distance from him more diplomatically.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 8, 2021
He went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him and we shouldn't have listened to him. And we can't let that ever happen again."


Illustrated by Peter Arkle; Designed and produced by Ak****a Chandra

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MAGA!!!!!!

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Trump is weak. His policies, such as they are, are weaksauce. He is mentally weak. He's a titty baby. A whiny guy in diapers. He is weak at self control. That's why he sucks up to strongmen. Weak.

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You sure don't sound much like a Libertarian! You do sound much more like a TDS, brain damaged, whiny Democrat. Are you and J.R. drinking buddies?

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That comment would only mean something if you had, ever, demonstrated that you know the first thing about libertarianism.

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Libertarians want to legalize dangerous drugs, are against the death penalty, want to legalize prostitution, and support wide open borders! It is all right here in the Libertarian platform. Did I take their published platform "out of context"? Some pretty crazy stuff here!

https://www.lp.org/platform/

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Trump has his share of problems: narcissism, questionable practices as a businessman, "reality TV" star, some poor choices as president, outrageous spending levels as president, Fauci, etc. Despite all that and more, his record of accomplishments far exceed the senile, corrupt, pedophile who currently pretends to be president (when he can remember his title or his wife's name).

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I would amend your post to say it's not so much that he had a bunch of accomplishments (he didn't), as that he did far less damage to the country than his successor.

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Yeah this economy blows...

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Well, when you consider a substantial cost of living increase under Biden means that even under a recovering economy, Americans are poorer now than we were when he first took office, perhaps blows is too strong a word, but most Americans aren't doing so well right now, in case you didn't notice.

But I thought you were of the general idea that the president has very little to do with the economy anyway.

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What damage?

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

So a revolving door cabinet comprised of losers and lobbyiest are the mark of a good president? Lol

Ronald Reagan had very few. I dont think he fired any.

In any business i ever worked in, firing meant poor hiring. It cost the business money.

Pres Trump bragged about draining the swamp and hiring the best and brightest. Instead it was a revolving door clown show. Anyone that disagreed with him got fired.

And you tnink thats a good thing?

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line? Were you being sarcastic?

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Mike Miley and Nikki Haley are not the "best" people that could have been found


(Can't comment on the rest)

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That can be said about several names on that list.

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I agree but Pres. Trump said they were.

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Donald Trump has been wrong on lots of things, just like everyone else.

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Trump has his share of problems: narcissism, questionable practices as a businessman, "reality TV" star, some poor choices as president, outrageous spending levels as president, Fauci, etc. Despite all that and more, his record of accomplishments far exceed the senile, corrupt, pedophile who currently pretends to be president (when he can remember his title or his wife's name).

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I would amend your post to say it's not so much that he had a bunch of accomplishments (he didn't), as that he did far less damage to the country than his successor.

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The economy was much better under Trump, despite the pandemic, and much of that was directly attributable to his policies. The U.S. was far more secure by any measure and far more respected. Yes, I know much of the world hates Trump as much as our fascists but they knew not to mess with him. He even had the Nork crackpot dictator under control somewhat. Our border was much more secure then. Plus Trump had some signature diplomatic accomplishments such as moving our embassy to Jerusalem, the Abraham Accords, etc.

Today, under our incompetent, corrupt fake president everything is the complete opposite. I don't like Trump but I have to be honest and say he was the best president we have had since Reagan. True, none of the others had much in the way of accomplishments.

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So a revolving door cabinet comprised of losers and lobbyiest are the mark of a good president? Lol

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Have you seen Biden's cabinet?

Biden of course just likes it filled with losers & lobbyists so no change is needed.

But I certainly agree with your point that Trump is no great judge of character and he is easy to flatter...some really swampy people were put into power by Trump and the turned around and was surprised they turned out to be deep DC insider snakes

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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Do you work at the dollar store? The problem in corporate America is the exact opposite. If you fired the people you are hiring you are going to get fired because you clearly don't know what to do.

If you told me you hired someone off their resume and no actual ability to vet I'd gently slap you and explain that hasn't been an excuse since the 90s and you need an actual ability to build a good team.

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Trump has his share of problems: narcissism, questionable practices as a businessman, "reality TV" star, some poor choices as president, outrageous spending levels as president, Fauci, etc. Despite all that and more, his record of accomplishments far exceed the senile, corrupt, pedophile who currently pretends to be president (when he can remember his title or his wife's name).

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I would amend your post to say it's not so much that he had a bunch of accomplishments (he didn't), as that he did far less damage to the country than his successor.

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Yeah this economy blows...

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Well, when you consider a substantial cost of living increase under Biden means that even under a recovering economy, Americans are poorer now than we were when he first took office, perhaps blows is too strong a word, but most Americans aren't doing so well right now, in case you didn't notice.

But I thought you were of the general idea that the president has very little to do with the economy anyway.

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Generally, the president is limited in what he can do to the economy but we now have someone who seems determined to do as much damage as possible and most of Congress & the rest of our government either don't care or are actively collaborating in this effort.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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Do you work at the dollar store? The problem in corporate America is the exact opposite. If you fired the people you are hiring you are going to get fired because you clearly don't know what to do.

If you told me you hired someone off their resume and no actual ability to vet I'd gently slap you and explain that hasn't been an excuse since the 90s and you need an actual ability to build a good team.

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Sometimes employees are great and then they start slacking. You discuss and give them a chance and when they can't figure it out you let them go.

It's not common, but it happens. Some Trump appointees were awesome at first and then they turned against him. It's the same concept.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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I helped return 19% to our partners last year. They're averaging 3x on their 15 year investments.

I know what I'm doing.

My understanding is that they tried to bribe Kari Lake & she said no.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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Do you work at the dollar store? The problem in corporate America is the exact opposite. If you fired the people you are hiring you are going to get fired because you clearly don't know what to do.

If you told me you hired someone off their resume and no actual ability to vet I'd gently slap you and explain that hasn't been an excuse since the 90s and you need an actual ability to build a good team.

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Sometimes employees are great and then they start slacking. You discuss and give them a chance and when they can't figure it out you let them go.

It's not common, but it happens. Some Trump appointees were awesome at first and then they turned against him. It's the same concept.

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It's a shame the Republican party is filled with so many sheep

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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I helped return 19% to our partners last year. They're averaging 3x on their 15 year investments.

I know what I'm doing.

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You could have made 400% by just buying Meta stock. Bringing up one year returns is further proof you don't understand what you are talking about.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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Do you work at the dollar store? The problem in corporate America is the exact opposite. If you fired the people you are hiring you are going to get fired because you clearly don't know what to do.

If you told me you hired someone off their resume and no actual ability to vet I'd gently slap you and explain that hasn't been an excuse since the 90s and you need an actual ability to build a good team.

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Sometimes employees are great and then they start slacking. You discuss and give them a chance and when they can't figure it out you let them go.

It's not common, but it happens. Some Trump appointees were awesome at first and then they turned against him. It's the same concept.

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Have you ever asked yourself, why did they turn against him? You do realize there is one common denominator in the massive turnover, do you not?

And I am still trying to figure out how doing a piss poor job selecting your cabinet (if we go by turnover rate) is a good thing...

Some knee pads are much thicker than other knee pads.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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I helped return 19% to our partners last year. They're averaging 3x on their 15 year investments.

I know what I'm doing.

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19% ain't much in this environment. You can do that last year by simply buying the S&P 500

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I'd wager $5,000 that Biden couldn't name his cabinet if he was randomly asked the question.

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One of the more impressive things about the modern Federal regime in DC is that is no longer even needs a mentally able bodied President in office to continue to function.

As long as their is a semi-living person in the White House who can sign documents the machinery of the bureaucracy can go on without any input from the actual elected executive

That may not be a good thing.

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That may not be a good thing.

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Oh my gut says it most certainly is not….

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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I helped return 19% to our partners last year. They're averaging 3x on their 15 year investments.

I know what I'm doing.

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19% ain't much in this environment. You can do that last year by simply buying the S&P 500

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Can you guarantee double digit returns every year on a 15 year term?

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That may not be a good thing.

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Oh my gut says it most certainly is not….

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Hollywood is not a reliable source of information on any subject.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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I helped return 19% to our partners last year. They're averaging 3x on their 15 year investments.

I know what I'm doing.

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19% ain't much in this environment. You can do that last year by simply buying the S&P 500

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Can you guarantee double digit returns every year on a 15 year term?

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Anybody can guarantee anything

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New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/18/opinion/trump-cabinet-election-2024.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/18/opinion/trump-cabinet-election-2024.html?smid=url-share


A president's cabinet is full of great character witnesses.

The president chose them. They said yes. They worked together closely. These cabinet-level appointees saw Donald Trump up close.

And they decided they couldn't stand by him.


OPINION

WHAT 17 OF TRUMP'S 'BEST PEOPLE' SAID ABOUT HIM

By Sarah Longwell
Ms. Longwell is the publisher of The Bulwark, a conservative news outlet, and the founder of the Republican Accountability Project.


In the history of presidential cabinets, former President Donald Trump's stands out for two qualities: turnover and dissension. Mr. Trump churned through cabinet-level appointees so fast that at times it seemed like he was still on "The Apprentice" and had to fire one official every week. These appointees didn't start out opposed to Mr. Trump. Not only are they people whom Mr. Trump chose he claimed he would hire the "best people" they are people who thought Mr. Trump was worth working for. But many of them quickly became alarmed by Mr. Trump's personality, temperament and policy aims.
This matters because, as his comfortable victory at the Iowa caucuses demonstrates, Mr. Trump is almost certain to be the Republican nominee for president for a record-matching third time (only Richard Nixon was nominated as often) and has coin-flip odds of becoming president again. Judging only by the words of many former high-level appointees, a second Trump term would be catastrophic for the country. There was endless reporting that was critical of Mr. Trump's administration. Some of this criticism may be cast as unreliable because it came from anonymous or hopelessly biased sources. But people who worked closely with Mr. Trump whom he trusted, who worked with him every day, who saw him in private when the cameras were off cannot be so easily dismissed.
Those who have spoken out must continue to do so, and those who have been content to silently hope that Mr. Trump's campaign would self-destruct should break their silence. They must take their concerns directly to the voters the only people who can save us from the disaster of a second term of President Trump.

The Servicemen

Mark Milley
A career Army officer who served in a variety of roles and regions before becoming chief of staff of the Army, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Oct. 1, 2019. Mr. Trump never fired him, but he did later suggest he deserved execution. Mr. Milley criticized Mr. Trump in a speech without naming him.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Sept. 29, 2023
We don't take an oath to a country. We don't take an oath to a tribe. We don't take an oath to a religion. We don't take an oath to a king or a queen, or to a tyrant or a dictator. And we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator."


Richard Spencer
Secretary of the Navy from Aug. 3, 2019, to Nov. 24, 2019, and a Marines veteran who spent most of his career in finance. He was fired after he asked Mr. Trump not to reverse the Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher's demotion as punishment for a war crime.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Nov. 27, 2019
The president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices."


H.R. McMaster
A career Army officer who saw combat in the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan. He was the White House national security adviser from Feb. 20, 2017, to April 9, 2018. He was seen as one of the "adults in the room" until Trump replaced him via tweet.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 7, 2021
President Trump and other officials have repeatedly compromised our principles in pursuit of partisan advantage and personal gain."


James Mattis
Secretary of Defense from Jan. 20, 2017, to Dec. 31, 2018, and a former four-star Marine Corps General who resigned partially over Mr. Trump's announcement of an immediate withdrawal of American troops from their fight against ISIL in Syria.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

June 3, 2020
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society."


Mark Esper
Secretary of Defense from Jul. 23, 2019, to Nov. 9, 2020, and an Army veteran whose first public disagreement with Mr. Trump came when he opposed using active-duty military personnel to control protests after the death of George Floyd. He was fired before he could resign.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Oct. 1, 2023
I have a lot of concerns about Donald Trump. I have said that he's a threat to democracy. I think the last year, certainly the last few months of Donald Trump's presidency, will look like the first few months of the next one if that were to occur."


John Kelly
White House chief of staff from July 28, 2017, to Jan. 2, 2019, and secretary of Homeland Security from Jan. 20, 2017, to July 31, 2017. He is a retired four-star Marine Corps general who was hired to bring order to the White House.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Oct. 2, 2023
A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution and the rule of law."


The Party Loyalists

Elaine Chao
Secretary of Transportation from Jan. 31, 2017, to Jan. 11, 2021, and secretary of Labor under George W. Bush. She resigned after the events of Jan. 6 and has faced consistent racist attacks from Mr. Trump ever since.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6, Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Aug. 4. 2022
I think the events at the Capitol, however they occurred, were shocking. And it was something that, as I mentioned in my statement, that I could not put aside."


Alex Azar
Secretary of Health and Human Services from Jan. 29, 2018, to Jan. 20, 2021, and an attorney and former pharmaceutical executive. He remained through Mr. Trump's term but criticized him for the events of Jan. 6 on his way out.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 12, 2021
Unfortunately, the actions and rhetoric following the election, especially during this past week, threaten to tarnish these and other historic legacies of this administration. The attacks on the Capitol were an assault on our democracy and on the tradition of peaceful transitions of power that the United States of America first brought to the world."


Rex Tillerson
Secretary of State from Feb. 1, 2017, to March 31, 2018, and a businessman who spent his entire career at ExxonMobil. Mr. Trump publicly challenged him to "I.Q. tests" before apparently thinking better of it and firing him by tweet.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

July 20, 2017
Moron," Mr. Tillerson reportedly said of Mr. Trump.


Dan Coats
Director of National Intelligence from March 16, 2017, to Aug. 15, 2019, and a former senator and U.S. ambassador to Germany. He butted heads with Mr. Trump over Russia's election interference and criticized him for his handling of classified documents.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term.
Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

July 27, 2023
It's more than just a bunch of papers and what big deal is this and so forth. Lives can be lost."


Betsy DeVos
Secretary of Education from Feb. 7, 2017, to Jan. 8, 2021, who was chair of the Republican Party of Michigan. She resigned after the riots of Jan. 6, placing the blame on Mr. Trump for his incendiary rhetoric.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term.
Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Oct. 13, 2022
I didn't feel he did what he needed to do to stop what was happening."


Mick Mulvaney
Acting White House chief of staff from Jan. 2, 2019, to March 31, 2020, director of the Office of Management and Budget from Feb. 16, 2017, to March 31, 2020, and a former congressman from South Carolina. He wrote an op-ed published just after the 2020 election claiming that Mr. Trump would "concede gracefully" if he lost.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term.
Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 7, 2021
It will always be, 'Oh, yeah, you work for the guy who tried to overtake the government.'"


William Barr
Attorney general from Feb. 14, 2019, to Dec. 23, 2020, and a lawyer who worked for the C.I.A. before becoming attorney general under George H.W. Bush. He resigned over Mr. Trump's claims of election fraud after the 2020 election.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

June 18, 2023
The fact of the matter is he is a consummate narcissist and he constantly engages in reckless conduct that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and Republican agenda at risk. … He will always put his own interest and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country's interest. There's no question about it. … He's like a 9-year-old, a defiant 9-year-old kid, who's always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table defying his parents to stop him from doing it."


John Bolton
White House national security adviser from April 9, 2018, to Sept. 10, 2019. He is a lawyer who was assistant attorney general for Ronald Reagan and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. Whether he was fired or resigned is a matter of dispute.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

June 22, 2023
By the time I left the White House,
I was convinced he was not fit to be president. … I think it is a danger for the United States if he gets a second term."


The Candidates

Mike Pompeo
Secretary of State from April 26, 2018, to Jan. 20, 2021, and director of the C.I.A. from Jan. 23, 2017, to April 26, 2018. He was a former Army officer and former congressman from Kansas who flirted with a presidential run while making oblique criticisms of Mr. Trump.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues.
Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Nov. 15, 2022
We need more seriousness, less noise, and leaders who are looking forward, not staring in the rearview mirror claiming victimhood."


Mike Pence
Vice president from Jan. 20, 2017, to Jan. 20, 2021, and a former governor of Indiana. Mr. Trump said the rioters chanting "Hang Mike Pence" on Jan. 6 had some legitimate gripes, given Mr. Pence declined to overturn the results of the election. He later made a short-lived run for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Aug. 23, 2023
He asked me to put him over the Constitution and I chose the Constitution, and I always will."


Nikki Haley
U.N. ambassador from Jan. 25, 2017, to Dec. 31, 2018, and a former governor of South Carolina. She criticized Mr. Trump after Jan. 6, but her presidential run has seen her attempt to maintain her distance from him more diplomatically.

Blamed Trump for Jan. 6. Criticized Trump during his term. Criticized Trump after his term. Highlighted
Trump's legal issues. Ruled out voting Trump in 2024.

Jan. 8, 2021
He went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him and we shouldn't have listened to him. And we can't let that ever happen again."


Illustrated by Peter Arkle; Designed and produced by Ak****a Chandra

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MAGA!!!!!!

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Trump is weak. His policies, such as they are, are weaksauce. He is mentally weak. He's a titty baby. A whiny guy in diapers. He is weak at self control. That's why he sucks up to strongmen. Weak.

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Can you explain why TikTok still is a thing and you assured us the governor of Texas banned it?

Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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I helped return 19% to our partners last year. They're averaging 3x on their 15 year investments.

I know what I'm doing.

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I would like you to manage my money. I will take that any day. You clearly know what you're doing.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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You obviously don't have much business experience to conflate corporate governance and politicians . Not even close to the same thing. We vote for politicians. Businesses hire and fire if the person does not execute and live up to exceptions. If they don't, they get fired and replaced. You can't fire a politician until reelection .

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I helped return 19% to our partners last year. They're averaging 3x on their 15 year investments.

I know what I'm doing.

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I would like you to manage my money. I will take that any day. You clearly know what you're doing.

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$10M minimum investment and I could make that happen.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Cabinet firings are a good thing.

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So good leaders hire the best people they can find and then fire them when their expertise doesnt toe the line?

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Yes.

That's how every successful business and corporation operates.

When you're POTUS, you're surrounded by people who can be corrupted and bought off to sabotage you. There was just an audio phone call leak of Kari Lake being bribed not to run. This kind of behavior is common in DC.

Also people have good resumes and can't follow through or perform as needed. You get rid of them.

Keep the grass cut and the snakes will show.

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Do you work at the dollar store? The problem in corporate America is the exact opposite. If you fired the people you are hiring you are going to get fired because you clearly don't know what to do.

If you told me you hired someone off their resume and no actual ability to vet I'd gently slap you and explain that hasn't been an excuse since the 90s and you need an actual ability to build a good team.

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Sometimes employees are great and then they start slacking. You discuss and give them a chance and when they can't figure it out you let them go.

It's not common, but it happens. Some Trump appointees were awesome at first and then they turned against him. It's the same concept.

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Have you ever asked yourself, why did they turn against him? You do realize there is one common denominator in the massive turnover, do you not?

And I am still trying to figure out how doing a piss poor job selecting your cabinet (if we go by turnover rate) is a good thing...

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A maority of those who voted couldn't figure it out either, hence the result.