Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/17/fact-check-biden-had-authority-declassify-vice-president/11065345002/

---

I noticed in the article, it said VP had authority declassify anything he classified. Are the classified docs, those which Biden classified? Does the VP have authority to declassify something he did not originally classify?

Also, is there proof that Biden declassified anything.

Also again, it appears he had classified docs from when he was a Senator, should he be granted a pass on that too?

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/17/fact-check-biden-had-authority-declassify-vice-president/11065345002/

---

Sam
You understand this will make no difference to Old
I'm looking forward to his dodge

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/17/fact-check-biden-had-authority-declassify-vice-president/11065345002/

---

Ah, so nothing official.

Osodecentx said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/17/fact-check-biden-had-authority-declassify-vice-president/11065345002/

---

Sam
You understand this will make no difference to Old
I'm looking forward to his dodge

---

Sorry, I don't drive a Doge. But I am making a point Oso, something you might try once in a while when you are not screaming about Trump to the sky.

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/17/fact-check-biden-had-authority-declassify-vice-president/11065345002/

---

Ah, so nothing official.

---

There's a link in the article:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

Whiskey Pete said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/17/fact-check-biden-had-authority-declassify-vice-president/11065345002/

---

I noticed in the article, it said VP had authority declassify anything he classified. Are the classified docs, those which Biden classified? Does the VP have authority to declassify something he did not originally classify?

Also, is there proof that Biden declassified anything.

Also again, it appears he had classified docs from when he was a Senator, should he be granted a pass on that too?

---

At least some were those he classified. It's unclear whether he could have declassified any others.

There's no proof he declassified anything.

Technically senators have the same authorization as presidents and VPs. I don't know how often they take documents home with them.

Disregard, duplicate

Sam Lowry: "The judge set a deadline, and his lawyers produced no evidence of it. Trump also admitted on tape that he didn't declassify at least some of it."

So a judge required Trump to declassify documents?

And then demanded his lawyer show proof Trump declassified documents?

That's uh, not how declassification works, son.

No, he set a deadline for them to let the court know if Trump was claiming he had declassified them already. Make sense?

Sam Lowry said:

---

No, he set a deadline for them to let the court know if Trump was claiming he had declassified them already. Make sense?

---

Sure, just having fun since you are buying Biden's explanations but not Trump's.

Enlightening. I would never have guessed that keeping boxes of classified documents for over a quarter-century from when you were a Senator, in your unlocked garage, was more reasonable than keeping less than a third as many documents in a locked and guarded facility for less than two years.

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

No, he set a deadline for them to let the court know if Trump was claiming he had declassified them already. Make sense?

---

Sure, just having fun since you are buying Biden's explanations but not Trump's.

Enlightening. I would never have guessed that keeping boxes of classified documents for over a quarter-century from when you were a Senator, in your unlocked garage, was more reasonable than keeping less than a third as many documents in a locked and guarded facility for less than two years.

---

I don't know that Biden's explanations are any better than Trump's. I just know that declassifying isn't one of Trump's explanations. A lot depends on the nature of the documents, which I'd say is more important than the number.

FLBear5630 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

Porteroso said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

Porteroso said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

Doc Holliday said:

---

HuMcK said:

---

Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

---

Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

---

Biden does now. Trump doesn't

---

he can pardon himself too.. his alledged crimes happened before he was president. Trumps alledgely happened after he was president.. see the difference or is the angle too obtuse?

---

I think POTUS can pardon himself, the language in Constitution seems to be absolute, BUT there is a line of legal reasoning out there that disputes that.

1)Should POTUS have absolute immunity from any prosecution no matter what bad acts he commits? If so, he wouldn't need to pardon himself.
2)Do you believe a POTUS can declassify documents by mere thought? 3)If so, then Biden can do the same thing.

---

1- overly vague- rephrase
2-no
3-no, senator Biden and VP Biden cant declassify sh.. He did the alledged crime before he was president. He can only pardon himself as president for his prior crimes.

---

1. I'm trying to reconcile Trump's plea for POTUS absolute immunity with the self pardon possibility. This is a hypothetical because POTUS does not have immunity.
Trump claims POTUS should have absolute immunity from any criminal liability for any acts POTUS may commit. You claim that POTUS can pardon himself. If POTUS is immune for any bad acts, the need for a pardon goes away.

(Absolute immunity? No.. immunity from process crimes? Maybe.. other higher level elected civil servants tend to get leniency unless malicious intent is shown.)


2. I agree with you, but that isn't Trump's position.

(I do know there was a notebook the meadows turned in around the last day of Trumps presidency that should have declassified stuff but that never happened)

3. Assuming Biden can only pardon himself as "as president" (while he is president?), then Biden's alleged crimes were committed before he was president (senator an VP) and he could pardon himself. In the alternative, if Biden is indicted for classified documents he took as a senator an VP, why couldn't he, like Trump, pardon himself?

(He can..)

You tell me that Trump, during his presidency, could pardon himself for crimes committed before he was president. On the question of presidential pardons, how do you distinguish the crimes Biden may have committed from the crimes Trump may have committed?

---

Trumps were after he had the power to pardon, Biden has the current power.

Trumps are cloudy as its basically a records fight under the PRA.

Bidens was having records he had absolutely no possible arguement in favor of having them as VP or senator.

The final conclusion is GAS sucks at their job as all the elected politicians keep leaving with classified documents

---

I agree that Biden, as senator & VP, had no right to take docs. If Biden, as POTUS, declassifies documents in question, as it is in his power to do, don't the offenses go away?

---

If you speed through town but slow down to the speed limit afterwards did you break the law?

---

Depends on if you get caught. Then if your brother-in-law judge does more than a suspended sentence. Trump doesn't have a brother-in-law that likes him.

---

You're talking about consequences . The fact is, whether or not you pulled over when caught speeding is irrelevant to the fact you were breaking the law by speeding. Trump sped, Biden sped. Trump called 911 while being pulled over to see if the cop was legit and got pit maneuvered into the ditch. Joe was in a stolen car and speeding but since he pulled over he was let go immediately.

---

Trump called 911? When did Trump call anybody?

---

When negotiations were taking place as far as which files the National Archives wanted back.

---

Is that what you call ignoring the National Archives? Negotiation?

---

Is that what you calm negotiations that spanned a few months and had multiple boxes returned to the NA? "Ignoring"?

---

Oh yes, exactly. They said give us stuff back, and he ignored them. There is no negotiating when you have top secrets you aren't supposed to have. You rarely get the chance to give them back, they just come get them. He was treated more than fairly.

This stuff is coming to light on Biden, and the difference is he is a sitting President. After he is done you bet they would treat him the same way.

---

He declassified them as president. There are ZERO files he isn't supposed to have. Now back to your god, Biden, he never had permission at all. Cops don't let car thieves go simply because they immediately pulled over when caught speeding in the stolen car.

---

Your comment is accurate to a point. There are 0 files he isn't supposed to have WHILE he is President. After his term is over, he returns to Citizen Trump. He has no authorization to have files that the National Archives tell him to turn over. The whole basis of the President is that a citizen will go to the Capital to serve and then return to being a citizen. Trump, whether he likes it or not, is not special. He is citizen Trump and has no right to access to secure documents beyond his Security Clearence, if he even has one.

---

He is former president Trump, not citizen Trump. Former presidents have some extras that citizens dont. The National Archives doesnt get carte blanche authority over everything. President Biden wasnt supposed to be able to access Trumps papers unless there was a reason to.. thats where the nonsense of Jan6 comes into play. That was their in to the Archives. Biden pressured the archives to go after the records under the pretense of Jan 6 but thats not all they were after.. The records request was not initiated by the Archivist.

Wangchung said:

---

Porteroso said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

Porteroso said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

4th and Inches said:

---

Osodecentx said:

---

Doc Holliday said:

---

HuMcK said:

---

Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

---

Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

---

Biden does now. Trump doesn't

---

he can pardon himself too.. his alledged crimes happened before he was president. Trumps alledgely happened after he was president.. see the difference or is the angle too obtuse?

---

I think POTUS can pardon himself, the language in Constitution seems to be absolute, BUT there is a line of legal reasoning out there that disputes that.

1)Should POTUS have absolute immunity from any prosecution no matter what bad acts he commits? If so, he wouldn't need to pardon himself.
2)Do you believe a POTUS can declassify documents by mere thought? 3)If so, then Biden can do the same thing.

---

1- overly vague- rephrase
2-no
3-no, senator Biden and VP Biden cant declassify sh.. He did the alledged crime before he was president. He can only pardon himself as president for his prior crimes.

---

1. I'm trying to reconcile Trump's plea for POTUS absolute immunity with the self pardon possibility. This is a hypothetical because POTUS does not have immunity.
Trump claims POTUS should have absolute immunity from any criminal liability for any acts POTUS may commit. You claim that POTUS can pardon himself. If POTUS is immune for any bad acts, the need for a pardon goes away.

(Absolute immunity? No.. immunity from process crimes? Maybe.. other higher level elected civil servants tend to get leniency unless malicious intent is shown.)


2. I agree with you, but that isn't Trump's position.

(I do know there was a notebook the meadows turned in around the last day of Trumps presidency that should have declassified stuff but that never happened)

3. Assuming Biden can only pardon himself as "as president" (while he is president?), then Biden's alleged crimes were committed before he was president (senator an VP) and he could pardon himself. In the alternative, if Biden is indicted for classified documents he took as a senator an VP, why couldn't he, like Trump, pardon himself?

(He can..)

You tell me that Trump, during his presidency, could pardon himself for crimes committed before he was president. On the question of presidential pardons, how do you distinguish the crimes Biden may have committed from the crimes Trump may have committed?

---

Trumps were after he had the power to pardon, Biden has the current power.

Trumps are cloudy as its basically a records fight under the PRA.

Bidens was having records he had absolutely no possible arguement in favor of having them as VP or senator.

The final conclusion is GAS sucks at their job as all the elected politicians keep leaving with classified documents

---

I agree that Biden, as senator & VP, had no right to take docs. If Biden, as POTUS, declassifies documents in question, as it is in his power to do, don't the offenses go away?

---

If you speed through town but slow down to the speed limit afterwards did you break the law?

---

Depends on if you get caught. Then if your brother-in-law judge does more than a suspended sentence. Trump doesn't have a brother-in-law that likes him.

---

You're talking about consequences . The fact is, whether or not you pulled over when caught speeding is irrelevant to the fact you were breaking the law by speeding. Trump sped, Biden sped. Trump called 911 while being pulled over to see if the cop was legit and got pit maneuvered into the ditch. Joe was in a stolen car and speeding but since he pulled over he was let go immediately.

---

Trump called 911? When did Trump call anybody?

---

When negotiations were taking place as far as which files the National Archives wanted back.

---

Is that what you call ignoring the National Archives? Negotiation?

---

Is that what you calm negotiations that spanned a few months and had multiple boxes returned to the NA? "Ignoring"?

---

Oh yes, exactly. They said give us stuff back, and he ignored them. There is no negotiating when you have top secrets you aren't supposed to have. You rarely get the chance to give them back, they just come get them. He was treated more than fairly.

This stuff is coming to light on Biden, and the difference is he is a sitting President. After he is done you bet they would treat him the same way.

---

He declassified them as president. There are ZERO files he isn't supposed to have. Now back to your god, Biden, he never had permission at all. Cops don't let car thieves go simply because they immediately pulled over when caught speeding in the stolen car.

---

Oh you mean he declassified everything that was classified so he could bring anything home? Lol I forgot about that one.

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

I don't get this logic. The fact Biden did something negates that Trump did it? That somehow we all know Trump is guilty, but he should get a pass because Biden wasn't prosecuted when he was Senator.

What is really sad and scary is that these people are willing to overlook this stuff and put this guy in power, just to get the Dems. A guy who would listen to Putin over Romney.
Someone that is threatening people that contribute to opponents publicly. Burn it all down, that will show the left...

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

I don't get this logic. The fact Biden did something negates that Trump did it? That somehow we all know Trump is guilty, but he should get a pass because Biden wasn't prosecuted when he was Senator.

What is really sad and scary is that these people are willing to overlook this stuff and put this guy in power, just to get the Dems. A guy who would listen to Putin over Romney.
Someone that is threatening people that contribute to opponents publicly. Burn it all down, that will show the left...

---

He's not saying what Biden negates what Trump did. No doubt, Trump had classifieds docs at his house and is prosecuted for it.

But to point out that Biden is guilty of the same thing and that Biden will not face the same consequences, isn't negating anything, it's pointing out the two tier justice system.

Frankly, even if you hate Trump, you should be behind the law and demand that EVERYONE be treated equally. Democrat AND Republican, shouldn't matter.

Biden needs to be charged. Period.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

---

I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal. As anti-MAGA as I am I have a hard time getting beyond the intention of the DA and the Judge in this particular case.

If anything was done the banks and Trump were benefiting from a Ponzi scheme but the banks were never declared a target.

---

Depends on where the appeal ends up. They will try to keep it in NY district.

Trump only got charged for docs he failed to return and hid from authorities. Biden didn't because he returned everything, simple as that.

Your characterization of the situations, saying they both did the same thing, is a bald faced lie. The fact that you have to lie and make up straw arguments is a sign of how weak you know your position is.

HuMcK said:

---

Trump only got charged for docs he failed to return and hid from authorities. Biden didn't because he returned everything, simple as that.

Your characterization of the situations, saying they both did the same thing, is a bald faced lie. The fact that you have to lie and make up straw arguments is a sign of how weak you know your position is.

---

So if you take secret documents that you are not entitled to possess.

Keep them at your residence for several years.

Only return them when federal agents discover them in your residence.

Really think you wouldn't be charged with a crime merely by finally returning them ?


Spin , fella…….SPIN

HuMcK said:

---

Trump only got charged for docs he failed to return and hid from authorities. Biden didn't because he returned everything, simple as that.

Your characterization of the situations, saying they both did the same thing, is a bald faced lie. The fact that you have to lie and make up straw arguments is a sign of how weak you know your position is.

---

if a bank teller skims money for years but returns the money after they catch him.. does he not get charged with theft/embezzlement?

Whiskey Pete said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

I don't get this logic. The fact Biden did something negates that Trump did it? That somehow we all know Trump is guilty, but he should get a pass because Biden wasn't prosecuted when he was Senator.

What is really sad and scary is that these people are willing to overlook this stuff and put this guy in power, just to get the Dems. A guy who would listen to Putin over Romney.
Someone that is threatening people that contribute to opponents publicly. Burn it all down, that will show the left...

---

He's not saying what Biden negates what Trump did. No doubt, Trump had classifieds docs at his house and is prosecuted for it.

But to point out that Biden is guilty of the same thing and that Biden will not face the same consequences, isn't negating anything, it's pointing out the two tier justice system.

Frankly, even if you hate Trump, you should be behind the law and demand that EVERYONE be treated equally. Democrat AND Republican, shouldn't matter.

Biden needs to be charged. Period.

---

How many legal cases didn't get brought forward while Trump held the office? DOJs policy has been not to charge a sitting President. Let's see what happens when Biden is out.

Whiskey Pete said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

I don't get this logic. The fact Biden did something negates that Trump did it? That somehow we all know Trump is guilty, but he should get a pass because Biden wasn't prosecuted when he was Senator.

What is really sad and scary is that these people are willing to overlook this stuff and put this guy in power, just to get the Dems. A guy who would listen to Putin over Romney.
Someone that is threatening people that contribute to opponents publicly. Burn it all down, that will show the left...

---

He's not saying what Biden negates what Trump did. No doubt, Trump had classifieds docs at his house and is prosecuted for it.

But to point out that Biden is guilty of the same thing and that Biden will not face the same consequences, isn't negating anything, it's pointing out the two tier justice system.

Frankly, even if you hate Trump, you should be behind the law and demand that EVERYONE be treated equally. Democrat AND Republican, shouldn't matter.

Biden needs to be charged. Period.

---

Trump is being prosecuted because he continued to move the documents after they were asked for, to the point they had to raid his home to get them. (You do remember the raid, don't you?)

He's his own enemy.

Mitch Blood Green said:

---

Whiskey Pete said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

I don't get this logic. The fact Biden did something negates that Trump did it? That somehow we all know Trump is guilty, but he should get a pass because Biden wasn't prosecuted when he was Senator.

What is really sad and scary is that these people are willing to overlook this stuff and put this guy in power, just to get the Dems. A guy who would listen to Putin over Romney.
Someone that is threatening people that contribute to opponents publicly. Burn it all down, that will show the left...

---

He's not saying what Biden negates what Trump did. No doubt, Trump had classifieds docs at his house and is prosecuted for it.

But to point out that Biden is guilty of the same thing and that Biden will not face the same consequences, isn't negating anything, it's pointing out the two tier justice system.

Frankly, even if you hate Trump, you should be behind the law and demand that EVERYONE be treated equally. Democrat AND Republican, shouldn't matter.

Biden needs to be charged. Period.

---

Trump is being prosecuted because he continued to move the documents after they were asked for, to the point they had to raid his home to get them. (You do remember the raid, don't you?)

He's his own enemy.

---

He is also not the sitting President. Once he left office all bets were off. All the crap he did, was eligible to be prosecuted.

Anything to excuse the hypocrisy. Got it

Oldbear83 said:

---

Anything to excuse the hypocrisy. Got it

---

You really think that Trump did nothing wrong? No matter what they say they have, you are putting your fingers in your ears and yelling so you don't have to listen? So, no matter what the evidence shows.

You also think Biden should be charged while a sitting President?

HuMcK said:

---

Trump only got charged for docs he failed to return and hid from authorities. Biden didn't because he returned everything, simple as that.

Your characterization of the situations, saying they both did the same thing, is a bald faced lie. The fact that you have to lie and make up straw arguments is a sign of how weak you know your position is.

---

I would expect nothing less form the only liberal who tried to defend Biden's horrible Afghan pull out.

You hate facts my friend.

Fact. Joe Biden had classified documents that he wasn't supposed to have. Joe Biden did not keep them safe. Joe Biden had documents stored in open boxes near his car. Anyone who stood in his garage could've read the files.

Joe Biden is getting a pass from prosecution.

Joe Biden AND Donald Trump should both be prosecuted

Mitch Blood Green said:

---

Whiskey Pete said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Sam: "VPs also have declassification power, "

Cite your source, please? I do not believe that is factually accurate.

---

Part 3 of Executive Order 13526.

---

Link please. Sorry but I still doubt the claim, especially that a President can change federal law for his Veep, which seems to be what you are saying.

In any case, Biden had classified docs at his house back when he was a Senator, so I don't see any way to excuse that one, no matter how many times you say 'But Trump?!?'

---

I don't get this logic. The fact Biden did something negates that Trump did it? That somehow we all know Trump is guilty, but he should get a pass because Biden wasn't prosecuted when he was Senator.

What is really sad and scary is that these people are willing to overlook this stuff and put this guy in power, just to get the Dems. A guy who would listen to Putin over Romney.
Someone that is threatening people that contribute to opponents publicly. Burn it all down, that will show the left...

---

He's not saying what Biden negates what Trump did. No doubt, Trump had classifieds docs at his house and is prosecuted for it.

But to point out that Biden is guilty of the same thing and that Biden will not face the same consequences, isn't negating anything, it's pointing out the two tier justice system.

Frankly, even if you hate Trump, you should be behind the law and demand that EVERYONE be treated equally. Democrat AND Republican, shouldn't matter.

Biden needs to be charged. Period.

---

Trump is being prosecuted because he continued to move the documents after they were asked for, to the point they had to raid his home to get them. (You do remember the raid, don't you?)

He's his own enemy.

---

He's not being charged for moving them.

Why do you people keep making up these outlandish hypotheticals instead of dealing with the actual facts at hand? It's almost as if you know you can't defend what actually happened, so you have to keep things in fantasy-land instead.

If Trump had returned them when requested he wouldn't have been charged, but he didn't, so he was. What's so hard to understand about that?

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Anything to excuse the hypocrisy. Got it

---

You really think that Trump did nothing wrong? No matter what they say they have, you are putting your fingers in your ears and yelling so you don't have to listen? So, no matter what the evidence shows.

You also think Biden should be charged while a sitting President?

---

I really think, on the evidence, that all you care about is "getting" Trump.


Nothing about the lawfare, the abuse of power by prosecutors, the cherry-picked venues, etc. matters to you because it's going after Trump.


For the record, I want Trump to be held accountable for his actions, but only in the same manner and to the same degree as all his predecessors.

ALL Presidents keep documents for research and personal interest.,

ALL former Presidents have unique standing because they were President.

ALL cases of fraud have - before now - required evidence of real harm to a victim

ALL accusations of rape used to need evidence of guilt beyond doubt in a criminal case

You are happy with abandoning all precedent, just so you can get Trump on something.

Oldbear83 said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

Anything to excuse the hypocrisy. Got it

---

You really think that Trump did nothing wrong? No matter what they say they have, you are putting your fingers in your ears and yelling so you don't have to listen? So, no matter what the evidence shows.

You also think Biden should be charged while a sitting President?

---

I really think, on the evidence, that all you care about is "getting" Trump.


Nothing about the lawfare, the abuse of power by prosecutors, the cherry-picked venues, etc. matters to you because it's going after Trump.


For the record, I want Trump to be held accountable for his actions, but only in the same manner and to the same degree as all his predecessors.

ALL Presidents keep documents for research and personal interest.,

ALL former Presidents have unique standing because they were President.

ALL cases of fraud have - before now - required evidence of real harm to a victim

ALL accusations of rape used to need evidence of guilt beyond doubt in a criminal case

You are happy with abandoning all precedent, just so you can get Trump on something.

---

You are totally disregarding WHAT documents he kept AFTER he was President. The DOJ is saying they have National Security sensitive documents. Until we have a trial, we have no idea. You are discounting that he has them, kept them unsecured and even showed them to people. Because you don't want Trump to be found guilty, you are saying they shouldn't even bring it to resolution.

Not all fraud cases are brought by a victim. Some are brought by regulatory agencies and in NY since 1957 the Attorney General. This is not the first time this statute was used. It was even used twice before on Trump for the Trump Foundation and Trump University. You are wrong that only a victim can bring fraud charges forward, at least in NY where Trump lives.

Wasn't the Jean case a civil case? So, all those families that sued people under civil suits are wrong and the cases should not be allowed? Wrongful death, sexual abuse, slander, etc all are wrong under your view. And if a jury finds someone guilty, set it aside if you have enough money or are famous?

Yeah, you will like the world Donald, aka Oswald Mosely II, wants to create. Might makes right.

HuMcK said:

---

Why do you people keep making up these outlandish hypotheticals instead of dealing with the actual facts at hand? It's almost as if you know you can't defend what actually happened, so you have to keep things in fantasy-land instead.

If Trump had returned them when requested he wouldn't have been charged, but he didn't, so he was. What's so hard to understand about that?

---

Why do you keep making excuses for Biden at every turn? Looking at your ridiculous posts, you think Biden does no wrong and can never do wrong.

I bet you buy into the BS that the border is secure. No wait, I bet you think it's not secure but it's Trump and Russia's fault

You shouldn't post while drinking

HuMcK said:

---

Why do you people keep making up these outlandish hypotheticals instead of dealing with the actual facts at hand? It's almost as if you know you can't defend what actually happened, so you have to keep things in fantasy-land instead.

If Trump had returned them when requested he wouldn't have been charged, but he didn't, so he was. What's so hard to understand about that?

---

why do you keep deflecting to Trump?

Its not outlandish.. its special treatment to people in power who broke the law. As an average citizen you should be pissed off but as a partisan hack you arent..

New York Prosecutes Couple For Fraud For Listing Their House For $499,000 When It Ultimately Sold For $485,000
NEW YORK Local couple Marty and Shelly Cross have been officially charged with fraud after listing their home for $499,000 when it ultimately sold for slightly less.
"The Cross family knowingly and willfully tried to get a good deal when they sold their home," explained Attorney General Letitia James. "The State of New York hereby assesses the Cross family a fine of $50 million for their egregious actions. If they cannot pay by tomorrow, we will begin kidnapping their children to hold as ransom."
According to sources, the bank had performed an appraisal and actually approved a loan for the buyer at $499,000, though ultimately after negotiations the selling price was slightly less. "Yes, the bank agreed to the price set by the Cross family," admitted James. "That doesn't mean Mr. and Mrs. Cross did not commit fraud! Banks, as we all know, are poor and helpless and at the mercy of whatever amount of money people ask for. The feeble, powerless bank is the victim here, having been duped by the Cross family - and they will pay!"
The Cross family were reportedly caught completely off guard by the charges, believing they had submitted a reasonable asking price. "All we did was ask for what we wanted! No one had to agree to it. I had no idea asking for the price you wanted for your home was illegal," said Shelly. "I have to be frank, I just don't quite see how our negotiating the price with the seller and the bank did fifty million dollars of damage to the State of New York. I'm really struggling to make the connection."
At publishing time, Letitia James had put up billboards across New York with the faces of the Cross family and how much they owed in fines.
https://babylonbee.com/news/new-york-prosecutes-couple-for-fraud-for-listing-their-house-for-499000-when-it-ultimately-sold-for-485000

HuMcK said:

---

Trump only got charged for docs he failed to return and hid from authorities. Biden didn't because he returned everything, simple as that.

Your characterization of the situations, saying they both did the same thing, is a bald faced lie. The fact that you have to lie and make up straw arguments is a sign of how weak you know your position is.

---

Hur's report showed that Biden knew he had classified documents and had had them for years.

JXL said:

---

HuMcK said:

---

Trump only got charged for docs he failed to return and hid from authorities. Biden didn't because he returned everything, simple as that.

Your characterization of the situations, saying they both did the same thing, is a bald faced lie. The fact that you have to lie and make up straw arguments is a sign of how weak you know your position is.

---

Hur's report showed that Biden knew he had classified documents and had had them for years.

---

Those documents could be covered in Hunter's cocaine and the blood of dead children whose bodies were stored next to the box in Biden's garage with the finger prints of Russian, Chinese and Ukrainian leaders on them and these partisan hacks would still be saying Biden should be left alone because "hE GaVe tHeM bAcK!"