KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Guy Noir said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Honest question …….

Has been ever been an insurrection that involved only one person ?

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Mean Tweets, man. meeeeeean tweeets!!!

KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Guy Noir said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Honest question …….

Has been ever been an insurrection that involved only one person ?

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I think not

Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Guy Noir said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

---

If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Honest question …….

Has been ever been an insurrection that involved only one person ?

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I think not

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Then a single conviction on a charge of insurrection doesn't mean an insurrection actually occurred.

Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Guy Noir said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

---

damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

---

Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

---

If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Maybe. What weapons are in play?

FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

---

Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

---

damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Guy Noir said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

---

Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

---

damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

---

No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

---

Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

---

Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

---

If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

---

Honest question …….

Has been ever been an insurrection that involved only one person ?

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I think not

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Then a single conviction on a charge of insurrection doesn't mean an insurrection actually occurred.

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I think not

GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Guy Noir said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

---

Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

---

damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

---

No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

---

Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

---

Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

---

If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Maybe. What weapons are in play?

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Yes

4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

---

Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

---

damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

---

Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

---

damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

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hum.. got a dictionary? I am pretty sure to doesnt mean in.. what you think?

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

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hum.. got a dictionary? I am pretty sure to doesnt mean in.. what you think?

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And of course there was that "peacefully and patriotically" part. Not exactly an ominous, aggressive threat of " insurrection".

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Honest question …….

Has been ever been an insurrection that involved only one person ?

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Mean Tweets, man. meeeeeean tweeets!!!

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Not Meen tweets. Just purely infantile. Do we really want that as the leader of the free world. Money doesn't by class. Grow up you overgrown , petulant child.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Honest question …….

Has been ever been an insurrection that involved only one person ?

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Mean Tweets, man. meeeeeean tweeets!!!

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Not Meen tweets. Just purely infantile. Do we really want that as the leader of the free world.

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Given his proven record of success and peace abroad during his first term and given what the alternative clearly is (and you can ***** and moan all you want about desiring different choices - the reality is it's either Biden or Trump) Trump is absolutely what anybody that has at least half of a brain and cares about the country and its future should want.

J.R. "Grow up you overgrown , petulant child."

If you speak in public the way you post here JR, I expect you hear that phrase a lot from people you meet, but it's ironic when you try to use the same tactic here.

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

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hum.. got a dictionary? I am pretty sure to doesnt mean in.. what you think?

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There was advanced planning of a major disruptive event on Jan. 6. Trump planned the "rally" on Jan 6. Rudy Giuliani, on Jan. 2, said that Jan. 6 was "going to be a great day" and that they're going to the Capitol. The lady organizing Stop the Steal said on Jan 5 that Trump would call for the mob to march on the Capitol.
There was advanced awareness within the White House and a lot of people in the White House were worried.

Trump told the demonstrators to go to the Capitol and "I'll go with you". Then he told the Secret Service detail to take him to the Capitol. The mob actually launched its violent assault during and immediately after Trump's speech urging them to march to the Capitol.

When the attack was under way, he inflamed the crowd by tweeting that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what was necessary." In his speech the morning of Jan. 6, Trump invoked Pence several times. Drafts of the speech did not mention the vice president, but Trump added in lines and ad-libbed more, Aguilar said. Hearings later this month will detail that process further, he said.

"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people," he told his supporters.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Maybe. What weapons are in play?

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Tony Ornato mentioned Trump's awareness that they had knives, guns, body armor, and spears. Trump was furious that the enclosure where people could come hear his speech wasn't full. Trump said let's get rid of the magnetometers because "they're not here to hurt me." He's aware that they've got weapons and his reaction is, who cares?

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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He initiated it. He, Rudi and His Son stood on the stage for an hour and wound up the crowd before telling them to go to Congress and take back your Democracy.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

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hum.. got a dictionary? I am pretty sure to doesnt mean in.. what you think?

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And of course there was that "peacefully and patriotically" part. Not exactly an ominous, aggressive threat of " insurrection".

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Here is the actual text.

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
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Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time. "

Wow. Rolling Stone and memes for sources.

It would be hilarious, except these people actually consider that a well-reasoned argument.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

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He may not have foreseen it would get out of hand BUT
1. He did intend to replace the proper electors with the "fake" electors
2. He did intended to delay the process and have Pence use made up powers to overturn the election
3. He did light the fuse
4. He didn't uphold his oath

He's treating our country like it's one of his businesses. He makes bad decisions, it goes badly, he bankrupts it and leaves others holding the bag.

Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Maybe. What weapons are in play?

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Tony Ornato mentioned Trump's awareness that they had knives, guns, body armor, and spears. Trump was furious that the enclosure where people could come hear his speech wasn't full. Trump said let's get rid of the magnetometers because "they're not here to hurt me." He's aware that they've got weapons and his reaction is, who cares?

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If you want to play apples and oranges that is fine but the question to me was if one person could be charged with insurrection.


My thought is that one person can cause an insurrection provided he/she has the right weapons. Seems unlikely that a person with a spear can rise to insurrection.


There was no insurrection and we know that because not a single person was alleged to have been an insurrectionist.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

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He may not have foreseen it would get out of hand BUT
1. He did intend to replace the proper electors with the "fake" electors
2. He did intended to delay the process and have Pence use made up powers to overturn the election
3. He did light the fuse
4. He didn't uphold his oath

He's treating our country like it's one of his businesses. He makes bad decisions, it goes badly, he bankrupts it and leaves others holding the bag.

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Or you can vote for Biden and permit millions of horribly unskilled illegals to invade our country every year.

Seriously, just how many millions can the US absorb ?

30 million ?

50 million ?

Unlimited ?


And if we don't begin to enforce our existing immigration laws when exactly will this flood end on its own ?

Why in the world would these poverty stricken illegals NOT try to come here ?

KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

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He may not have foreseen it would get out of hand BUT
1. He did intend to replace the proper electors with the "fake" electors
2. He did intended to delay the process and have Pence use made up powers to overturn the election
3. He did light the fuse
4. He didn't uphold his oath

He's treating our country like it's one of his businesses. He makes bad decisions, it goes badly, he bankrupts it and leaves others holding the bag.

---

Or you can vote for Biden and permit millions of horribly unskilled illegals to invade our country every year.

Seriously, just how many millions can the US absorb ?

30 million ?

50 million ?

Unlimited ?


And if we don't begin to enforce our existing immigration laws when exactly will this flood end on its own ?

Why in the world would these poverty stricken illegals NOT try to come here ?

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I don't disagree with you on the immigration situation. The Border has to be dealt with. Biden is doing it on purpose.

As for Trump, is the cure worse than the disease?

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

---

Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

---

He may not have foreseen it would get out of hand BUT
1. He did intend to replace the proper electors with the "fake" electors
2. He did intended to delay the process and have Pence use made up powers to overturn the election
3. He did light the fuse
4. He didn't uphold his oath

He's treating our country like it's one of his businesses. He makes bad decisions, it goes badly, he bankrupts it and leaves others holding the bag.

---

Or you can vote for Biden and permit millions of horribly unskilled illegals to invade our country every year.

Seriously, just how many millions can the US absorb ?

30 million ?

50 million ?

Unlimited ?


And if we don't begin to enforce our existing immigration laws when exactly will this flood end on its own ?

Why in the world would these poverty stricken illegals NOT try to come here ?

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I don't disagree with you on the immigration situation. The Border has to be dealt with. Biden is doing it on purpose.

As for Trump, is the cure worse than the disease?

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No

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

---

The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

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hum.. got a dictionary? I am pretty sure to doesnt mean in.. what you think?

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There was advanced planning of a major disruptive event on Jan. 6. Trump planned the "rally" on Jan 6. Rudy Giuliani, on Jan. 2, said that Jan. 6 was "going to be a great day" and that they're going to the Capitol. The lady organizing Stop the Steal said on Jan 5 that Trump would call for the mob to march on the Capitol.
There was advanced awareness within the White House and a lot of people in the White House were worried.

Trump told the demonstrators to go to the Capitol and "I'll go with you". Then he told the Secret Service detail to take him to the Capitol. The mob actually launched its violent assault during and immediately after Trump's speech urging them to march to the Capitol.

When the attack was under way, he inflamed the crowd by tweeting that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what was necessary." In his speech the morning of Jan. 6, Trump invoked Pence several times. Drafts of the speech did not mention the vice president, but Trump added in lines and ad-libbed more, Aguilar said. Hearings later this month will detail that process further, he said.

"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people," he told his supporters.

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to is not in.. on is not in.. swing and a miss

Some lady said..

At least they got the mob violence started before Trump speech ended part right.. Guess who was there?

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

---

I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

---

Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

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hum.. got a dictionary? I am pretty sure to doesnt mean in.. what you think?

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There was advanced planning of a major disruptive event on Jan. 6. Trump planned the "rally" on Jan 6. Rudy Giuliani, on Jan. 2, said that Jan. 6 was "going to be a great day" and that they're going to the Capitol. The lady organizing Stop the Steal said on Jan 5 that Trump would call for the mob to march on the Capitol.
There was advanced awareness within the White House and a lot of people in the White House were worried.

Trump told the demonstrators to go to the Capitol and "I'll go with you". Then he told the Secret Service detail to take him to the Capitol. The mob actually launched its violent assault during and immediately after Trump's speech urging them to march to the Capitol.

When the attack was under way, he inflamed the crowd by tweeting that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what was necessary." In his speech the morning of Jan. 6, Trump invoked Pence several times. Drafts of the speech did not mention the vice president, but Trump added in lines and ad-libbed more, Aguilar said. Hearings later this month will detail that process further, he said.

"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people," he told his supporters.

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to is not in.. on is not in.. swing and a miss

Some lady said..

At least they got the mob violence started before Trump speech ended part right.. Guess who was there?

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in is in. Hundreds convicted isn't a swing and miss.

Trump watched the riot from the WH, so the speech was long over.

tweeting that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what was necessary." In his speech
"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people," he told his supporters.

GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Guy Noir said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Maybe. What weapons are in play?

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Tony Ornato mentioned Trump's awareness that they had knives, guns, body armor, and spears. Trump was furious that the enclosure where people could come hear his speech wasn't full. Trump said let's get rid of the magnetometers because "they're not here to hurt me." He's aware that they've got weapons and his reaction is, who cares?

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If you want to play apples and oranges that is fine but the question to me was if one person could be charged with insurrection.


My thought is that one person can cause an insurrection provided he/she has the right weapons. Seems unlikely that a person with a spear can rise to insurrection.


There was no insurrection and we know that because not a single person was alleged to have been an insurrectionist.

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I ask again, if a single person was accused of insurrection, was there an attempted insurrection?

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Not so. If Pence would have thrown out the election results then Trump would have remained in power for an undetermined length of time. The were several moving parts to this event. The protesters were just applying pressure on Congress and Mike Pence. Pence was the breakdown in the plan to invalidate the election. The rioters were just participants, but they were a part of the event.

If Trump is elected in 2024, what assurance do we have that he will not try the same thing in 2028?

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No he would not have. If Pence failed to certify then the election falls to the House to decide. Trump's term still would have ended and even if the House failed to elect the next president the power would have transferred down the line.


This is exactly why there was no insurrection and never could have been one.

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Its only insurrection if there is a clear path to success? Can you find that for me in the dictionary?

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Sure, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Not a single person was charged with insurrection. Can there be an insurrection when nobody was alleged to have committed one?

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If one person was charged with insurrection can it be an insurrection?

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Maybe. What weapons are in play?

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Tony Ornato mentioned Trump's awareness that they had knives, guns, body armor, and spears. Trump was furious that the enclosure where people could come hear his speech wasn't full. Trump said let's get rid of the magnetometers because "they're not here to hurt me." He's aware that they've got weapons and his reaction is, who cares?

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If you want to play apples and oranges that is fine but the question to me was if one person could be charged with insurrection.


My thought is that one person can cause an insurrection provided he/she has the right weapons. Seems unlikely that a person with a spear can rise to insurrection.


There was no insurrection and we know that because not a single person was alleged to have been an insurrectionist.

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I ask again, if a single person was accused of insurrection, was there an attempted insurrection?

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If a BLMer kills one white person, was there a genocide?

You need to stop letting go of logic.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

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He may not have foreseen it would get out of hand BUT
1. He did intend to replace the proper electors with the "fake" electors
2. He did intended to delay the process and have Pence use made up powers to overturn the election
3. He did light the fuse
4. He didn't uphold his oath

He's treating our country like it's one of his businesses. He makes bad decisions, it goes badly, he bankrupts it and leaves others holding the bag.

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Or you can vote for Biden and permit millions of horribly unskilled illegals to invade our country every year.

Seriously, just how many millions can the US absorb ?

30 million ?

50 million ?

Unlimited ?


And if we don't begin to enforce our existing immigration laws when exactly will this flood end on its own ?

Why in the world would these poverty stricken illegals NOT try to come here ?

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I might vote for him twice.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

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He may not have foreseen it would get out of hand BUT
1. He did intend to replace the proper electors with the "fake" electors
2. He did intended to delay the process and have Pence use made up powers to overturn the election
3. He did light the fuse
4. He didn't uphold his oath

He's treating our country like it's one of his businesses. He makes bad decisions, it goes badly, he bankrupts it and leaves others holding the bag.

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Or you can vote for Biden and permit millions of horribly unskilled illegals to invade our country every year.

Seriously, just how many millions can the US absorb ?

30 million ?

50 million ?

Unlimited ?


And if we don't begin to enforce our existing immigration laws when exactly will this flood end on its own ?

Why in the world would these poverty stricken illegals NOT try to come here ?

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I might vote for him twice.

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Yep, it's the clever thing to do .

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Donald "Dear Leader" Trump
We're marching to the Capitol. I'll march with you

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hum.. got a dictionary? I am pretty sure to doesnt mean in.. what you think?

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There was advanced planning of a major disruptive event on Jan. 6. Trump planned the "rally" on Jan 6. Rudy Giuliani, on Jan. 2, said that Jan. 6 was "going to be a great day" and that they're going to the Capitol. The lady organizing Stop the Steal said on Jan 5 that Trump would call for the mob to march on the Capitol.
There was advanced awareness within the White House and a lot of people in the White House were worried.

Trump told the demonstrators to go to the Capitol and "I'll go with you". Then he told the Secret Service detail to take him to the Capitol. The mob actually launched its violent assault during and immediately after Trump's speech urging them to march to the Capitol.

When the attack was under way, he inflamed the crowd by tweeting that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what was necessary." In his speech the morning of Jan. 6, Trump invoked Pence several times. Drafts of the speech did not mention the vice president, but Trump added in lines and ad-libbed more, Aguilar said. Hearings later this month will detail that process further, he said.

"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people," he told his supporters.

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to is not in.. on is not in.. swing and a miss

Some lady said..

At least they got the mob violence started before Trump speech ended part right.. Guess who was there?

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in is in. Hundreds convicted isn't a swing and miss.

Trump watched the riot from the WH, so the speech was long over.

tweeting that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what was necessary." In his speech
"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people," he told his supporters.

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you see what you want to see.. i do see some upset people that made bad decisions. I dont see Trump doing anything different than dozens of other politicians have done when discussing the speech to his followers.

Your bias is telling you want you want to see in his words. The riot started before Trumps speech was over so those people didnt even hear it.

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

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The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

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The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

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Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

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The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

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Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

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I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

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Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

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So you are good with went down Jan 6th

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs. But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm?

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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Back to the pipe bomb lies, eh? Might as well lie about the pipe bombs as long as you're ignoring the fact that a Trump explicitly stated that the crowd should demonstrate peacefully, and claiming that 8 months of deadly democrat funded and encouraged riots over a dead criminal was really just a "summer, right? In for a penny, in for a pound, apparently.

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Ok, the one phrase in an hour of fight and take back our democracy.

I guess the House Judiciary Committee is trying to perpetrate a lie? There were 2 viable pipe bombs, confirmed by Quantico. Don't tell me, deep state trying to set up Donald? Right?


Republicans Release New Information On January 6 Pipe Bomb Investigation | House Judiciary Committee Republicans




Ok, its all good.

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Real terrorists place bombs that go off. False flag agents plant inoperable bombs meant to be discovered and used as propaganda against their political foes.

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So viable pipe bombs were there? Not a lie?

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Not what I said at all. Read it again and give replying another go.

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You - "Back to the pipe bomb lies, eh?"

Were there pipe bombs there? Yes or No?

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Real pipe bombs? No.

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From GOP Congressional Inquiry:

"Mr. D'Antuono referenced a report from the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, that the pipe bombs were viable, and 'they could explode, and they could cause harm or death,' Mr. D'Antuono also acknowledged that the timer used on the pipe bomb could not have detonated the pipe bomb given the time already elapsed between placement and discovery."

They ****ed up the timer, so everything is fine. Would you say the same if the pipebombs were in Portland or Minneapolis in 2020? That they don't count?

Do you really believe the stuff you say?

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Same FBI that had over 200 assets among the crowd during jan6th, right? Do you really believe the stuff they say?

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So there is no way to prove that Jan 6th was wrong, convenient. Any evidence is "Deep State". FBI is on the take. Next the TV AI'd the whole thing? What we saw on TV never happened. Jan 6th Commission info was a vendetta against poor Donald. His own Staff testified against him. Only 4 said they would serve again.

The only acceptable answer is believe what you and MAGA say. Do you type this stuff with a straight face???

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

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The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

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The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

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Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

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The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

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Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

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I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

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Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

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So you are good with went down Jan 6th

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs. But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm?

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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Back to the pipe bomb lies, eh? Might as well lie about the pipe bombs as long as you're ignoring the fact that a Trump explicitly stated that the crowd should demonstrate peacefully, and claiming that 8 months of deadly democrat funded and encouraged riots over a dead criminal was really just a "summer, right? In for a penny, in for a pound, apparently.

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Ok, the one phrase in an hour of fight and take back our democracy.

I guess the House Judiciary Committee is trying to perpetrate a lie? There were 2 viable pipe bombs, confirmed by Quantico. Don't tell me, deep state trying to set up Donald? Right?


Republicans Release New Information On January 6 Pipe Bomb Investigation | House Judiciary Committee Republicans




Ok, its all good.

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Real terrorists place bombs that go off. False flag agents plant inoperable bombs meant to be discovered and used as propaganda against their political foes.

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So viable pipe bombs were there? Not a lie?

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Not what I said at all. Read it again and give replying another go.

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You - "Back to the pipe bomb lies, eh?"

Were there pipe bombs there? Yes or No?

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Real pipe bombs? No.

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From GOP Congressional Inquiry:

"Mr. D'Antuono referenced a report from the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, that the pipe bombs were viable, and 'they could explode, and they could cause harm or death,' Mr. D'Antuono also acknowledged that the timer used on the pipe bomb could not have detonated the pipe bomb given the time already elapsed between placement and discovery."

They ****ed up the timer, so everything is fine. Would you say the same if the pipebombs were in Portland or Minneapolis in 2020? That they don't count?

Do you really believe the stuff you say?

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Same FBI that had over 200 assets among the crowd during jan6th, right? Do you really believe the stuff they say?

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So there is no way to prove that Jan 6th was wrong, convenient. Any evidence is "Deep State". FBI is on the take. Next the TV AI'd the whole thing? What we saw on TV never happened. Jan 6th Commission info was a vendetta against poor Donald. His own Staff testified against him. Only 4 said they would serve again.

The only acceptable answer is believe what you and MAGA say. Do you type this stuff with a straight face???

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Whenever you've had your claim disrupted by reality, you go full tilt boogie in making up my position for me. Answer my question; is it the same FBI claiming that pipe bombs magically appeared that were all real and ready to explode except whoops, the maker didn't know how to set a ****ing timer, who had 200 undercover assets in the Jan 6th crowd? Same FBI that could track down grandmothers who were in the crowd but didn't go in the capital suddenly can't find video of someone placing all those pipe bombs? How stupid does one need to be to buy that story? Like, "short bus" stupid or merely "drunk posting" stupid? I'm genuinely curious.

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Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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Ah yes, a 3 hour demonstration is exactly like allowing over 7,000,000 illegal aliens into our country in a 3 year span. Jesus you leftists have zero perspective. "They disrespected a building!" Lol

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damn, you are just dumb. It was a freaking insurrection, you idiot. Do you own a TV? You seen the videos? There is a reason many of these Trump loving morons (like you) are in prison . The border is a huge problem, but the border and Ukraine are mutually exclusive.

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The only way it could be defined as an insurrection is Trump himself told people to break into the capitol and stop the election.

That didn't happen.

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I agree that it was NOT an insurrection. I view it the same as complaining about election "fraud", there was no fraud outside normal levels. Now, did States illegally change their voting rules? That is the avenue that should have been explored, but the idiot was too caught up on using fraud because it was easier to understand on Twitter. Insurrection sounds good on TV and to MAGA it is a Red Herring to get people off the real subject that the sitting President incited a riot after losing an election.

Just like the 2020 riots, Jan 6th was a riot that disrupted a Government function. A riot that Trump incited. The 2020 rioters, the Jan 6th rioters AND Trump should all be prosecuted. No argument.

There was NO HOPE of taking over the US Government. An insurrection has to have some way to overthrow and seize power. That band of idiots never had any capacity to do that.

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Ray "we are going into the capital" Epps incited a riot more than Trump did..

120k protestors and about 1% acted badly.. not really on Trump

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Nothing is ever on Trump! He directed them to go to Congress. He spent an hour inviting the crowd to fight.

I agree I don't believe Trump intended for a riot. But in typical Trump sloppy, impulsive manner he let himself be used as a patsy by those Right Wing groups. He is on TV with Rudy and Donald Jr telling people the election was stolen, go to Congress and fight for your Democracy. It is on him, documented.

Another example why he should not be President. He is too self-absorbed. People like Bannon and Putin use that to get what they want done.

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He may not have foreseen it would get out of hand BUT
1. He did intend to replace the proper electors with the "fake" electors
2. He did intended to delay the process and have Pence use made up powers to overturn the election
3. He did light the fuse
4. He didn't uphold his oath

He's treating our country like it's one of his businesses. He makes bad decisions, it goes badly, he bankrupts it and leaves others holding the bag.

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Or you can vote for Biden and permit millions of horribly unskilled illegals to invade our country every year.

Seriously, just how many millions can the US absorb ?

30 million ?

50 million ?

Unlimited ?


And if we don't begin to enforce our existing immigration laws when exactly will this flood end on its own ?

Why in the world would these poverty stricken illegals NOT try to come here ?

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I might vote for him twice.

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You won't be the only one

Reality??

I am saying that Trump did those things, which are being proven in court, and his followers are doing mental gymnastics to make it all OK.

You are saying the FBI caused Jan 6th,
The FBI is out to get Trump
The two pipe bombs that were found were not real and planted
Four Grand Juries and Four Judges in Four different States are all falsely bring court cases against Trump in some scheme to get Donald.
the 2020 election was stolen by some elaborate scheme, even though it has never been proven


Sorry, you and your cronies look like a bunch of crazy MAGAs willing to believe anything Bannon tells you. All these outlandish schemes, you really believe them? You really think the FBI staged Jan 6th to get Trump?