Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:Aside from the fact that the belief that sacraments like marriage are necessary for salvation is patently unbiblical, it also doesn't make any sense - why then would Catholics require their priests to be celibate, which would in effect make them unsaved?Redbrickbear said:Not to make this a theology thread....BusyTarpDuster2017 said:But what does that have to do with salvation?FLBear5630 said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:Oof.Jack Bauer said:Quote:
... and it is through our marriage that, Lord willing, we will both attain salvation.
Never mind the other stuff, this is probably the worst of what he said - if it means what it appears to mean. If it doesn't, then perhaps a Catholic here can explain what he meant by this.
Marriage is a Sacrament, right there with Baptism, Communion, Holy Order, Reconciliation, Last Rites...
Catholic Church takes Sacraments very seriously. Marriage is an agreement between man, women and God to live Christian life. Marriage is not disposable, requires work and diligence That is how I read it as a Catholic.
But it would seem that in Catholic teaching the sacraments are necessary for salvation.
Vs a more Protestant theological idea that there are no sacraments or that if there are sacraments they are not necessary to salvation.
"the sacraments confers the grace they signify. They are efficacious" (CCC 1127) "The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation." (CCC 1129)
[Yes, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) 1129 states that the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. The sacraments are "powers that come forth" from the Body of Christ, and they communicate Christ's Holy Spirit to his members. The sacraments also unite people to God. The three sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Orders confer a sacramental character or "seal" that makes the Christian a member of the Church and shares in Christ's priesthood]
Don't know…eastern Catholic Priests can in fact marry and do so.
For practical matters it looks like the Latin Church stopped Priests from marrying. Or had them "marry" the Church
"The requirement of celibacy is not dogma; it is an ecclesiastical law that was adopted in the Middle Ages because Rome was worried that clerics' children would inherit church property and create dynasties."
[Theologically, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that priesthood is a ministry conformed to the life and work of Jesus Christ. Priests as sacramental ministers act in persona Christi ('in the mask of Christ'). Thus the life of the priest conforms, the church believes, to the chastity of Christ himself. The sacrifice of married life is for the "sake of the Kingdom" (Luke 18:2830,[11] Matthew 19:2730),[12] and to follow the example of Jesus Christ in being "married" to the church, viewed by Catholicism and many Christian traditions as the "Bride of Christ" (following Ephesians 5:2533[13] and Revelation 21:9,[14] together with the spousal imagery at Mark 2:1920;[15] cf. Matthew 9:1415).]
Want to follow Southern Baptist Convention, go to Baylor.
Baylor (or at least the leadership) is definitely NOT Southern Baptist anymore.
One might even argue they are not particularly Baptist at all anymore.
Any kind of speech that even touch on sexual-cultural themes of this nature would be extreme controversial to the faculty and leadership…and probably to a good number of our big urban metro students
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