You "Paul wants me to understand everyman is the head of the household."4th and Inches said:because it doesn't fit the global context of the words in the book. Much like when people take six to 10 words out of one passage in the whole book to claim they are right on a topic, this fits that scenario.Waco1947 said:Prove me wrong -- why is your interpretation or eisegesis right and my is wrong?Coke Bear said:No, you are putting your eisegesis into the passage.Waco1947 said:
No, I am saying that understanding of God has changed. As Paul describes the role of sexuality in church, he clearly states Galatians 3: for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. 27 As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
Paul is addressing the church and clearly states - In Christ there is neither male or female for we are one Christ. In my view when God calls a person to ministry God does not look at one's sexuality and when God sees churches pulpits God does not sexuality but only that they preach the good news.
Paul is stating that ALL have access to God and his kingdom thru Jesus. Their status in life is of no concern to God. We are all children of God if we are male/female, slave/free, blue/brown eyed, redhead/brunette, etc.
You are reading into the passage.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
Ephesians 5:22-25 speaks of the relationship between husband and wife and includes the teaching of Jesus as head of the church:
"Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
1 Timothy 2:12 ESV
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
1 Corinthians 14:34-38ESV
34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
Look the SBC and non-dom want can believe what nonsense that Paul said but it does fly for me for two reasons
1. I Corinthians 1 seen culturally as a 1st century male dominated is absolutely normal to Paul but his culture
is not our culture.
2. Women today are not going go for that culturally shaped model. Women's paradigm for how to live in this world as an equal to man is vastly and rightfully different.
Again, look if you to believe Paul's views are somehow universal for all times and places in the world then by all means believe it.
As I said, in the topic title "it's time to move into the 21st century" but the world is moving on the SBC and non-dem will a shrinking sect.
I am a United Methodist and a part of a shrinking denomination but at least we know our problems and stand by our convictions for truth, equality of the sexes and openness to all who marginalized. Who knows the UMC will survive but we will go down fighting for the righteousness of values. BUT Sbc-non-denoms find a new paradigm in Paul. He does stand for women's leadership in the churches but I Corinthians 11:3 ain't it.