FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
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Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
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Mitch Blood Green said:
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Mitch Blood Green said:
I'm not sure this ruling says anything.
President has immunity for official acts. (Assumed)
No immunity for unofficial acts (also assumed)
Now we argue what is and didn't official and unofficial.
Have you been taking speech lessons from Kamala? That was one fine word salad. A little Bleu Cheese please!
I assume college grads can read and comprehend.
So you don't consider a President declassifying documents an official act? If not, why not? Seems pretty clear to me.
If he did, you are correct. The question becomes how does he declassify? Just thinking it is declassified, no document management? I could even go as far IF he had a written policy that anytime he takes it to the residence it is declassified, at least there is some type of thought and control. But, after the fact in Mar Lago bathroom? Not so much.
The criminal act is possessing classified documents. That occured after Trump was president-there is no immunity issue there.
One of the defenses is that the documents were declassified while he was President. I agree with your take on the fact that he clearly did not declassify them while President, but that is an issue based on the classification statutes. Immunity should have nothing to do with the Florida case.
Too bad Trump isn't too old and feeble minded to be prosecuted so that "the possession is the crime" wouldn't apply...
Trump wouldn't have been prosecuted either if he just gave the documents back.
We both know that's not true. The alleged crime was possession, not failing to return borrowed documents, right?
Sort of the same thing...
No. possession is the crime. Whether or not they are returned at a specific time is irrelevant to the fact that they were illegally possessed.
If they were returned, he wouldn't have possession. Sort of a chicken and the egg.
Bottomline is that he has something he shouldn't and didn't give it back in a timely manner. He is guilty of this one...
Maybe, maybe not. We have already learned that the GSA delivered several boxes to Mar-a-Lago without any request from Trump. Ergo, if those documents are in question, Trump's guilt is uncertain.
Trump's ego trips him up a bit again. If he had said '
hey, I never asked for those documents and don't know how they got there', he'd be in a stronger position, but of course he took the '
I have the right' argument because he needs to have the biggest pee-pee in the room.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier