I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

If anyone wants to open pandora's box on Mormonism Marriages. I'm here to listen. One John Smith will have 10 wives.

Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Marriage is between people regardless of sexuality

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No it isn't. The two person structure and monogamy itself was built upon the uniting of a man and woman. That is a Biblical and historical fact.

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Interpretations have changed. Today is right now in this historical moment and this moments declares, "Marriage is between2 people regardless of sexuality. Jesus never said by way of command "love is between a man and woman." To try go back in time to 60-90 AD is impossible to know, but what we do know is the Jesus' was being descriptive in Mark 10 not prescriptive. Jesus was 1) responding to a question about divorce not marriage and 2) the only historical Jesus could be aware of was
2 people -- male and female.
To give Jesus the power as to know the 21st century is a not true to the understanding of sexuality now.
But what I do know unequivocally is
"Marriage is between 2 people regardless of sexuality is that Jesus valued relationships and gave instruction as to how to live those values, in relationship and discipleship."

Living out your discipleship values does not exit the door on this board. The silliness of ad hominin jokes betrays your discipleship (if you are a Christian)

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Same sex marriage was understood to be sinful, it didn't need to be spelled out in every instance because it was understood. Your devotion towards encouraging people to live a sinful lifestyle will be a millstone around your neck.
As for sexuality, from the beginning of church history and long before, the only two options are heterosexual marriage or single celibacy. No other option is from God.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Christian Marriage is a committed relationship between one man and one woman.

Other arrangements may work for people, but it's not Christian Marriage.

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Actually, that's not just a Christian marriage. It's marriage as a societal construct throughout human history. The notion that marriage is lifelong bond between man and woman predates 3500 years of Judaeo-Christian history.

It is the original sacrament.

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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Waco1947 said:

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Open marriage is Not a marriage.

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truth- two who become one..

Those that abuse in marriage, that is not marriage. Those that cheat in marriage, that is not marriage.

Marriage is a covenant bond. That bond should not be broken. A spouse should treat their spouse with love and respect. A spouse should treat their spouse with love and respect. any abuse or straying outside the marriage is against Gods design. However, forgiveness is part of the plan and is included in that better and worse part of the vows.

There is no room for selfishness in a marriage. The best marriages are where the spouse tries to out cherish and honor the other spouse.

Weak marriages are those that are driven by selfish desires.

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I agree entirely but just substitute husband/wife with spouse

The wisest man in scripture waves his hand and laughs at yall.

Of course everyone chooses what they want to believe.

Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Open marriage is Not a marriage.

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truth- two who become one..

Those that abuse in marriage, that is not marriage. Those that cheat in marriage, that is not marriage.

Marriage is a covenant bond. That bond should not be broken. A spouse should treat their spouse with love and respect. A spouse should treat their spouse with love and respect. any abuse or straying outside the marriage is against Gods design. However, forgiveness is part of the plan and is included in that better and worse part of the vows.

There is no room for selfishness in a marriage. The best marriages are where the spouse tries to out cherish and honor the other spouse.

Weak marriages are those that are driven by selfish desires.

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I agree entirely but just substitute husband/wife with spouse

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1 from column A
2 from column B
and egg roll

Do not add to nor take away from…

ATL Bear said:

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Marriage was destroyed by easy divorce and Obergfell. What its form, purpose, and expectations are is completely open for interpretation at this stage.

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add in abortion on demand.....and now we have to import migrants by the millions to ensure population growth.

As a 'kept man' I feel that by maintaining morale among wealthy, lonely wives I am making a significant contribution to society.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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We know a lot of folks in the lifestyle. Our data points are a little different - we have seen a really high rate of divorce. Of course just our own anecdotal experience, but I do not think it is the panacea that many in the lifestyle claim; however, I appreciate that it can work for many.

If you don't want to be monogamous , don't get married. Fairly simple. Hell, you can be monogamous and not live together. Almost there.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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nein51 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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We know a lot of folks in the lifestyle. Our data points are a little different - we have seen a really high rate of divorce. Of course just our own anecdotal experience, but I do not think it is the panacea that many in the lifestyle claim; however, I appreciate that it can work for many.

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It definitely happens. We have seen it too. Frankly it happens with people who don't have a good relationship and get in to the lifestyle looking to fix it. That never happens. I'm betting the divorce rate in the lifestyle mirrors every day life.

I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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Thats an interesting argument that you often hear. In terms of the ability of any sin to qualify you for needing forgiveness and salvation, I agree - a sin is a sin and lying will qualify you for needing salvation as much as murder. But the earthly consequences and harm you do to yourself spiritually vary vastly from sin to sin.

Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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Say hi to King Solomon down there!

The old line about marriage being just about sacrifice can also lead to lots of terrible results.

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This thread is going to go about as well as a "let me tell you about the time I got drunk, had an abortion, slept with a pastor and ran over a puppy" thread on a Baylor forum.

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Oh thank goodness it wasn't a kitten. No judgement here.

OsoCoreyell said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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Thats an interesting argument that you often hear. In terms of the ability of any sin to qualify you for needing forgiveness and salvation, I agree - a sin is a sin and lying will qualify you for needing salvation as much as murder. But the earthly consequences and harm you do to yourself spiritually vary vastly from sin to sin.

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I would think it is just like being gay. You cannot be actively pursuing your sin and expect salvation or exemption from it. Ie repentance is key and if you're actively doing something you're not being very repentant.

However, I think if you polled LS people virtually all of them would tell you they don't care as they assume that if there is a hell they are headed there.

This being a Baylor forum sort of skews a lot of perspectives. This part of the board, in particular, skews very conservative and in matters of faith very, very, very conservative. So it would be no shock that the sentiment towards open marriage is overwhelmingly negative. You probably wouldn't want to peddle old 3rd Reich memorabilia at a synagogue either, for example.

nein51 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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I don't think 1947 agrees

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nein51 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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I don't think 1947 agrees

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Yeah, well, he's wrong a lot lol

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It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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Indeed, so implicates hell no more than any other sin...

OsoCoreyell said:

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Thats an interesting argument that you often hear. In terms of the ability of any sin to qualify you for needing forgiveness and salvation, I agree - a sin is a sin and lying will qualify you for needing salvation as much as murder. But the earthly consequences and harm you do to yourself spiritually vary vastly from sin to sin.

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Two types of sin exist - Mortal and venial.

1 John 5:16-17

... There is (Mortal) sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, but there is (Venial) sin that does not lead to death.

Dying in a state of unrepentant mortal sin will send oneself to hell.

Promiscuity is a social ill that has lead to all sorts of societal damage as it's been normalized and promoted. Open marriage is just another form of that behavioral justification.

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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somehow, being open to a swinger's lifestyle, gay lifestyle and many other lifestyles doesn't seem to comport with the great commission

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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You said "I don't care at all if they go to hell."

How do you view your neighbor? How do you view the great commission?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The wisest man in scripture waves his hand and laughs at yall.

Of course everyone chooses what they want to believe.

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And the multiplicity of his wives proved to be his downfall, didn't it?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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You said "I don't care at all if they go to hell."

How do you view your neighbor? How do you view the great commission?

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I don't. Literally have never thought about it.

And I try not to view my neighbors, ever. Hell I would be very happy to never even speak to my neighbors.

nein51 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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You said "I don't care at all if they go to hell."

How do you view your neighbor? How do you view the great commission?

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I don't. Literally have never thought about it.

And I try not to view my neighbors, ever. Hell I would be very happy to never even speak to my neighbors.

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yep, it says to love them.. not see or speak to them!

4th and Inches said:

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nein51 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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You said "I don't care at all if they go to hell."

How do you view your neighbor? How do you view the great commission?

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I don't. Literally have never thought about it.

And I try not to view my neighbors, ever. Hell I would be very happy to never even speak to my neighbors.

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yep, it says to love them.. not see or speak to them!

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Sex with neighbors…check
Speak to neighbors…no check

lol

I thought he died of natural causes at an advanced age. He was a Godly man. Wrote a couple of books in the Bible, built the Temple, united Israel .

700+ wives and concubines. God blessed him.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The wisest man in scripture waves his hand and laughs at yall.

Of course everyone chooses what they want to believe.

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And the multiplicity of his wives proved to be his downfall, didn't it?

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I thought he died of natural causes at an advanced age. He was a Godly man. Wrote a couple of books in the Bible, built the Temple, united Israel .

700+ wives and concubines. God blessed him.

That wheat and tares parable is gonna smack some folks in the face

So king solomon was a tare?

The Bible has so many contradictions. God blessed KS . I have a hard enough time following my interpretation. I can't imagine finding time to judge others.

BTW, I am way under KS's numbers.

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So king solomon was a tare?

The Bible has so many contradictions. God blessed KS . I have a hard enough time following my interpretation. I can't imagine finding time to judge others.

BTW, I am way under KS's numbers.

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I think your understanding of King Solomon's view is incorrect.

Vanity, vanity, (read emptiness) everything is is vanity refers to the the emptiness of everything that doesn't involve God.

KS tried riches, power, women and it was all meaningless, emptiness, vain.

You say your body count is much less than KS like it's a stat line to be judged as good and bad. It's nothing more than futility.

Ecclesiastes isn't drawing a line in the sand of goodness, it's a description of emptiness. It is temporary pleasure leading to destruction.

The swingers lifestyle is temporary pleasure, leading to destruction.