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Think a lot of Baylor alums are in open relationships?

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A lot? No.
Some? Yes.
More than you would think? 100%

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You think that's mostly people who are happy with each other? Or mostly people whose marriage burned out but they're hanging in there legally for family / economic / public perception reasons?

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We know hundreds of LS (lifestyle is what most swingers prefer) couples. Our best couples friends are with about 200 of them this weekend. My view is probably tainted. I would say the vast majority of the 35+ crowd are happily married and have a great time. The younger crowd tends to be people experimenting with their sexuality.

I've seen numerous younger marriages fail because of it. I've only seen a couple more established ones fail.

My guess is that LS mirrors your interactions with your non LS friends. Ie you know some super happy couples, some who are putting on a front but are miserable, some who are cheating on their spouses, some who are married but you think "that's not going to last", etc.

We live in Cleveland, OH. There are around 350,000 people here and there are 2 LS clubs that host events every weekend that stay packed (we tried to buy one of them when the owner passed suddenly so I've seen the books, didn't work out as the family wouldn't give it up), there are at least 3 LGBTQ clubs that do the same.

It's far more prevalent than most people think but still a smaller sliver of society. It's probably no more than a few % of people but I would wager any sum of money that you know people that are involved in it in some way you just don't know that you do.

Huh. Interesting. Thanks for that background.

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Huh. Interesting. Thanks for that background.

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No worries. Ask away. I could even point you in the direction of some great podcasts as two of our friends host one of the larger LS podcasts.

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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You're absolutely correct. I know a couple who are swingers, and also have an open relationship. They've been married for years, and both say their marriage is healthy and they are deeply in love and committed to each other. The divorce rate in that group is no higher than that in the Christian community. It may even be less. I can't tell you how many married men I've known who cheat on their wives and are leaders in their church. What works for some doesn't for others.

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Divorce rate in open marriages is over 90%.

https://worldmetrics.org/open-marriage-divorce-statistics/

Apparently these couples need more than additional sex partners.

Wow, 90 is high

Wow.

What are the typical stats? I think something like 40-50% for a first marriage? 60% for a second marriage? And on up...

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Wow.

What are the typical stats? I think something like 40-50% for a first marriage? 60% for a second marriage? And on up...

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Yep.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/

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How Many Marriages End in Divorce?
So, what about the famous statistic that half of all marriages end in divorce? That's a bit of an exaggeration when it comes to first marriages, only 43% of which are dissolved.[2] Second and third marriages actually fail at a far higher rate, though, with 60% of second marriages and 73% of third marriages ending in divorce.[3]

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I look at it like this; it's none of my business but I would prefer to be around friends who are really happy with their marriage than not, however that works for them.

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Even if there actions are leading them to hell?

Marriage is not about utilitarian happiness. It is about sacrifice.

Would you agree that a person having sex outside their marriage is adultery? Do you believe that adultery is a sin?

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I don't care at all if they go to hell and I'm going to guess 99% of lifestyle folks also don't care. Perhaps not shocking that not everyone is a Christian.

Again, if you're looking for Judeo-Christian justification for marriage as anything other than 1 man and 1 woman you're unlikely to find it.

It's no more or less a sin than any other sin.

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I don't think 1947 agrees

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I don't believe in hell

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All part of your pick and choose 'theology'.

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hell is in column 2, next to the fried rice.

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Hell is clearly an ancient myth from not only Hebrew but other religious traditions.

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a you'd better pray you're right but then, who would you pray to?

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Your "hell scares" are meaningless. Clearly, the Bible is speaking of the hell wrong decisions about how we live our lives in the kingdom of God here and now.

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Useless comment.

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How about a useful comment from you on this?

https://explorethebible.lifeway.com/blog/adults/what-did-jesus-say-about-hell/#:~:text=Hell%20is%20forever.,25%3A46).

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Romans 5:1 7 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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You're absolutely correct. I know a couple who are swingers, and also have an open relationship. They've been married for years, and both say their marriage is healthy and they are deeply in love and committed to each other. The divorce rate in that group is no higher than that in the Christian community. It may even be less. I can't tell you how many married men I've known who cheat on their wives and are leaders in their church. What works for some doesn't for others.

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Divorce rate in open marriages is over 90%.

https://worldmetrics.org/open-marriage-divorce-statistics/

Apparently these couples need more than additional sex partners.

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Sorry I know WAY too many LS couples to believe that's accurate.

I absolutely would believe that 90% of people in the LS are on their second/third/fourth marriage. In fact I think we only know one couple on their first marriage but they have been together 25 years since college.

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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You're absolutely correct. I know a couple who are swingers, and also have an open relationship. They've been married for years, and both say their marriage is healthy and they are deeply in love and committed to each other. The divorce rate in that group is no higher than that in the Christian community. It may even be less. I can't tell you how many married men I've known who cheat on their wives and are leaders in their church. What works for some doesn't for others.

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Divorce rate in open marriages is over 90%.

https://worldmetrics.org/open-marriage-divorce-statistics/

Apparently these couples need more than additional sex partners.

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Sorry I know WAY too many LS couples to believe that's accurate.

I absolutely would believe that 90% of people in the LS are on their second/third/fourth marriage. In fact I think we only know one couple on their first marriage but they have been together 25 years since college.

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Isn't what you just said a validation of the stat?

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nein51 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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You're absolutely correct. I know a couple who are swingers, and also have an open relationship. They've been married for years, and both say their marriage is healthy and they are deeply in love and committed to each other. The divorce rate in that group is no higher than that in the Christian community. It may even be less. I can't tell you how many married men I've known who cheat on their wives and are leaders in their church. What works for some doesn't for others.

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Divorce rate in open marriages is over 90%.

https://worldmetrics.org/open-marriage-divorce-statistics/

Apparently these couples need more than additional sex partners.

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Sorry I know WAY too many LS couples to believe that's accurate.

I absolutely would believe that 90% of people in the LS are on their second/third/fourth marriage. In fact I think we only know one couple on their first marriage but they have been together 25 years since college.

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Isn't what you just said a validation of the stat?

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Depends on how you read it I guess.

I read it as 90% of the people who start in the lifestyle get divorced. That I don't believe. 90% of the people in the lifestyle have been divorced at some point…that I believe.

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nein51 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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You're absolutely correct. I know a couple who are swingers, and also have an open relationship. They've been married for years, and both say their marriage is healthy and they are deeply in love and committed to each other. The divorce rate in that group is no higher than that in the Christian community. It may even be less. I can't tell you how many married men I've known who cheat on their wives and are leaders in their church. What works for some doesn't for others.

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Divorce rate in open marriages is over 90%.

https://worldmetrics.org/open-marriage-divorce-statistics/

Apparently these couples need more than additional sex partners.

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Sorry I know WAY too many LS couples to believe that's accurate.

I absolutely would believe that 90% of people in the LS are on their second/third/fourth marriage. In fact I think we only know one couple on their first marriage but they have been together 25 years since college.

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Isn't what you just said a validation of the stat?

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Depends on how you read it I guess.

I read it as 90% of the people who start in the lifestyle get divorced. That I don't believe. 90% of the people in the lifestyle have been divorced at some point…that I believe.

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How do you know being "in the lifestyle" wasn't a contributor to the divorces they already had? But the study came up with the 90% number, so there are some datapoints on it.

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Marriage regardless of one's sexual identity is still marriage between2 people. Marriages regardless sexuality are at heart about fidelity, an intimacy which cannot be violated without serious consequence.

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#Devil's advocate hat on

Because?

Polygamy has a much longer history in human society - including Jewish society - than fornication, adultry, or homosexuality.

#Devil's advocate hat off

What constitutes adultery is not defined by the humans involved, but rather by the God involved.

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Except humans define god, and what god says.

Any god that humans define is, by definition, not God. The supernatural can only be known when it reveals itself, not through a scientific method restricted to investigating the natural world.

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Think a lot of Baylor alums are in open relationships?

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A lot? No.
Some? Yes.
More than you would think? 100%

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ATL Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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You're absolutely correct. I know a couple who are swingers, and also have an open relationship. They've been married for years, and both say their marriage is healthy and they are deeply in love and committed to each other. The divorce rate in that group is no higher than that in the Christian community. It may even be less. I can't tell you how many married men I've known who cheat on their wives and are leaders in their church. What works for some doesn't for others.

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Divorce rate in open marriages is over 90%.

https://worldmetrics.org/open-marriage-divorce-statistics/

Apparently these couples need more than additional sex partners.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship#:~:text=Approximately%201%20percent%20of%20men,the%20population%20have%20open%20marriages.

Some couples report that open marriage contributed to their divorces. Janus and Janus asked divorced people to list the one primary reason for their divorces.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship#cite_note-Janus,_Janus,_1993-54][54][/url]Approximately 1 percent of men and 2 percent of women listed open marriage as the primary reason for their divorce. This seems like a small percentage, but keep in mind that only 1 to 6 percent of the population have open marriages.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship#cite_note-Hunt,_1974-31][31][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship#cite_note-55][55][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship#cite_note-56][56][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship#cite_note-57][57][/url]Open marriage is perceived as a primary cause of divorce in a substantial minority of the 1 to 6 percent of people who have open marriages.

The extent to which open marriage actually contributes to divorce remains uncertain. Blumstein and Schwartz note a slightly higher risk of divorce among couples who engage in extramarital sex, even if the couples agree to allow extramarital sex.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship#cite_note-Blumstein,_Schwartz,_1983-58][58][/url]

open roast.... not open marriage.

- kkm



go bears!

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Think a lot of Baylor alums are in open relationships?

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A lot? No.
Some? Yes.
More than you would think? 100%

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Think a lot of Baylor alums are in open relationships?

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A lot? No.
Some? Yes.
More than you would think? 100%

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You said: "However, I think if you polled LS people virtually all of them would tell you they don't care as they assume that if there is a hell they are headed there."

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If they are practicing one of the various forms of Christianity, they don't believe it is adultery or fornication if it is consensual between married partners. The Hebrew god condones polygamy and relations with hand maids and concubines. They can always rely on the canon once saved always saved.

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Any god that humans define is, by definition, not God. The supernatural can only be known when it reveals itself, not through a scientific method restricted to investigating the natural world.

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Except there is no evidence of the supernatural. Only human lore reduced to human writings and definitions.

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nein51 said:

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I was hoping this would be a good discussion about open marriage (which is marriage). Clearly many of you have to mature to this discussion.

Let me see if I can help. A few things. I am black. Outside of my wife, I only date migrant women which my wife isn't.

Once I explained that the migrant women were taking black jobs(doing me) she accepted it and blamed Biden.

Once you've had the joy of being called "Papi" in the middle of the throws? You'll understand.

My point is, you have to get your wife on board with the proper explanation. "I'm not cheating. She's Asian and you're not." Sell it!

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What do you want to discuss? We have many, many swinger friends. 99% of them you would never know unless you asked them and I would place money that almost all of their relationships are healthier than average. Some of them sit in the same churches you do. Some of them teach at some of those churches.

The overwhelming majority are normal people with abnormal sex lives and relationships. Some are freaks but that's no different than any other type of relationship/interaction.

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You're absolutely correct. I know a couple who are swingers, and also have an open relationship. They've been married for years, and both say their marriage is healthy and they are deeply in love and committed to each other. The divorce rate in that group is no higher than that in the Christian community. It may even be less. I can't tell you how many married men I've known who cheat on their wives and are leaders in their church. What works for some doesn't for others.

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Divorce rate in open marriages is over 90%.

https://worldmetrics.org/open-marriage-divorce-statistics/

Apparently these couples need more than additional sex partners.

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Sorry I know WAY too many LS couples to believe that's accurate.

I absolutely would believe that 90% of people in the LS are on their second/third/fourth marriage. In fact I think we only know one couple on their first marriage but they have been together 25 years since college.

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I agree. I know many who have been married for years, some high school sweethearts. I also know many that are on their second or third marriage, and have found their LS marriage is more fulfilling for them than their previous marriages, and has already lasted for many years longer. I know one couple, married since high school for over 40 years, and they are regularly involved in their church, and Trumpers to boot.

This is false. The Hebrew God, which is also the Christian God, allowed polygamy because they, as a people were immature in their moral understanding.

Most Jews in Jesus' time had come to agree with the Roman view. Some Jews practiced it to the eleventh century.

God has always pushed His people to grow in maturity.

It is similar to God allowing divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. Jesus forbade it.

Picked the wrong website to post the original. Was he expecting intelligent responses or non judgemental ones. Most on here are of Christian faith who believed a human took God's form to save them from eternal damanation because as humans we had original sin. All of these believers ignore the fact there has never been a fall from grace or original sin. They are simply mammals with an ancient ape like ancestor. This is fact not belief.

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The science.

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I know many...

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The "scientist".

Occasionally, Democrat recruiters for the bizarre reveal themselves by their own words like our resident Methodist heretic did recently.

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The science.

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The "scientist".

Occasionally, Democrat recruiters for the bizarre reveal themselves by their own words like our resident Methodist heretic did recently.

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Only about 10% of the population is gay yet you see them literally everywhere, 13% of the population is black but I promise you see them everywhere. Like .2% of the population is trans but I don't go a day without seeing one any more.

6% is a lot and even if it isn't if you have friends in the LS it's a very tight group so you will end up knowing a lot of them.

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Only about 10% of the population is gay yet you see them literally everywhere, 13% of the population is black but I promise you see them everywhere. Like .2% of the population is trans but I don't go a day without seeing one any more.

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That's because these lifestyles are being intentionally promoted by the government and the media. But that's the point. If he knows a lot, its because he is intentionally associating with them.

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It is similar to God allowing divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. Jesus forbade it.

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Not disputing you as I suspect you are correct.

But where in the New Testament does Jesus forbid divorce ?

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Only about 10% of the population is gay yet you see them literally everywhere, 13% of the population is black but I promise you see them everywhere. Like .2% of the population is trans but I don't go a day without seeing one any more.

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That's because these lifestyles are being intentionally promoted by the government and the media. But that's the point. If he knows a lot, its because he is intentionally associating with them.

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Jesus ate with the sinners I don't see why he (or I) should be held to a higher standard.

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nein51 said:

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Only about 10% of the population is gay yet you see them literally everywhere, 13% of the population is black but I promise you see them everywhere. Like .2% of the population is trans but I don't go a day without seeing one any more.

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That's because these lifestyles are being intentionally promoted by the government and the media. But that's the point. If he knows a lot, its because he is intentionally associating with them.

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Jesus ate with the sinners I don't see why he (or I) should be held to a higher standard.

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Jesus had a motive when he spoke to people (sinners). So the question becomes, what is our motive when we speak to others?

Are we just being friendly?
Are we curious?
Are we offering the gospel?

Interpreting our actions to be similar to Christ's actions when our motives are totally different is a boldly wrong attempt at rationalization.

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Only about 10% of the population is gay yet you see them literally everywhere, 13% of the population is black but I promise you see them everywhere. Like .2% of the population is trans but I don't go a day without seeing one any more.

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That's because these lifestyles are being intentionally promoted by the government and the media. But that's the point. If he knows a lot, its because he is intentionally associating with them.

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Jesus ate with the sinners I don't see why he (or I) should be held to a higher standard.

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Jesus had a motive when he spoke to people (sinners). So the question becomes, what is our motive when we speak to others?

Are we just being friendly?
Are we curious?
Are we offering the gospel?

Interpreting our actions to be similar to Christ's actions when our motives are totally different is a boldly wrong attempt at rationalization.

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Dunno I'm not Jesus

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Only about 10% of the population is gay yet you see them literally everywhere, 13% of the population is black but I promise you see them everywhere. Like .2% of the population is trans but I don't go a day without seeing one any more.

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That's because these lifestyles are being intentionally promoted by the government and the media. But that's the point. If he knows a lot, its because he is intentionally associating with them.

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Jesus ate with the sinners I don't see why he (or I) should be held to a higher standard.

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Jesus had a motive when he spoke to people (sinners). So the question becomes, what is our motive when we speak to others?

Are we just being friendly?
Are we curious?
Are we offering the gospel?

Interpreting our actions to be similar to Christ's actions when our motives are totally different is a boldly wrong attempt at rationalization.

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Dunno I'm not Jesus

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This is false. The Hebrew God, which is also the Christian God, allowed polygamy because they, as a people were immature in their moral understanding.

Most Jews in Jesus' time had come to agree with the Roman view. Some Jews practiced it to the eleventh century.

God has always pushed His people to grow in maturity.

It is similar to God allowing divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. Jesus forbade it.

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This is false. The Hebrew God, which is also the Christian God, allowed polygamy because they, as a people were immature in their moral understanding.

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Where, anywhere, does it say in the OT the Hebrew God allowed polygamy because they, as a people were immature in their moral understanding? It doesn't. You made that up. Polygamy, concubines, handmaids etc. are condoned, along with a lot of other egregious and even immoral acts, and accepted as the norm. The god of the NT is a later offshoot add on, i.e. a bolt on god, to the Hebrew god by a new and evolving religious sect that later became known as Christian.

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God has always pushed His people to grow in maturity.

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That's a very subjective, and without much support, Threatened them to bend to his will might be a better concept.

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It is similar to God allowing divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. Jesus forbade it.

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Where do you get that? It's not in the OT. Jesus did allow for divorce on condition, if you want to believe what is in the NT is an accurate, albeit improbable, recount of what Jesus said.

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only 1 to 6 percent of the population have open marriages.

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The science.

TexasScientist said:

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I know many...

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The "scientist".

Occasionally, Democrat recruiters for the bizarre reveal themselves by their own words like our resident Methodist heretic did recently.

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??? Not sure of your comment in relation to my remarks. I cited a report as a reference that has percentages.


I've recounted what I have anecdotally observed. I don't follow what you are saying in relation to my posts.

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Only about 10% of the population is gay yet you see them literally everywhere, 13% of the population is black but I promise you see them everywhere. Like .2% of the population is trans but I don't go a day without seeing one any more.

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That's because these lifestyles are being intentionally promoted by the government and the media. But that's the point. If he knows a lot, its because he is intentionally associating with them.

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Jesus ate with the sinners I don't see why he (or I) should be held to a higher standard.

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Jesus had a motive when he spoke to people (sinners). So the question becomes, what is our motive when we speak to others?

Are we just being friendly?
Are we curious?
Are we offering the gospel?

Interpreting our actions to be similar to Christ's actions when our motives are totally different is a boldly wrong attempt at rationalization.

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Dunno I'm not Jesus

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You have to consider the motive of the multiple writers and editors of the gospels, years later. Everything attributed to Jesus is at best a multiple rewritten third of fourth hand recount of someone's theological message they wanted to project to the reader. We really don't know what Jesus actually said about anything.