Tampon Tim lies about rank, lies about combat but in reality chickens out the eve before deployment, ugh. Do Dems care at all?

History shows that they do not care about anything unless the TV tells them to care. Lemmings.

But do Dem voting soldiers even actually care?

It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Tampon Tim lies about rank, lies about combat but in reality chickens out the eve before deployment, ugh. Do Dems care at all?

History shows that they do not care about anything unless the TV tells them to care. Lemmings.

But do Dem voting soldiers even actually care?

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Dude, they were about to re-elect a man who took inappropriate showers with his own daughter and took bribes from foreign adversaries. The baby killing child groomers simply do not care.

Wangchung said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Tampon Tim lies about rank, lies about combat but in reality chickens out the eve before deployment, ugh. Do Dems care at all?

History shows that they do not care about anything unless the TV tells them to care. Lemmings.

But do Dem voting soldiers even actually care?

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Dude, they were about to re-elect a man who took inappropriate showers with his own daughter and took bribes from foreign adversaries. The baby killing child groomers simply do not care.

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Clearly Frank Galvins post reinforces this view.

Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because TDS Uber Alles.

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FIFY.

Judging by the comments of his comrades, if Walz had actually been in a combat zone he easily could have ended up like Doug Nedermayer .

Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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did you serve? I know some pissed off vets who strongly dosagree with you

One has to have valor to care if one steal's it. The Democrats are much more worried about "misgendering" mentally ill groomers.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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One has to have valor to care if one steal's it. The Democrats are much more worried about "misgendering" mentally ill groomers.

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Suspect most hardcore Dems don't have many remaining connections to military life.

So it's difficult for them to relate to the attitudes of most servicemen.

When you run a candidate like Trump who plays fast and loose with the truth, is a known embellisher of his own actions, and has a civil fraud verdict against him for lying about his assets and obtaining loans around it, you're kinda out of position to tossing things like this out as an issue for the other side to worry about.

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Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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did you serve? I know some pissed off vets who strongly dosagree with you

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So I didn't know what they were talking about but I'm a brat. My dad did 24 years. Virtually all of my friends and family served. My FB feed was FILLED with pissed off vets last night.

It might not be a big deal to civilians but it's a really big deal to vets. I'm not sure you can even explain it to civilians but it's like the one lie you can't tell or the lie with no forgiveness.

It might not have been big news on Friday night but it's news that is not going to go away. Now, whether or not it matters is a different subject. I think the young voters and the way left of center voters couldn't possibly care less and will just say "well trumps a liar too". The way right voters were never voting D anyhow. So does it matter to people in the middle? I'm not sure. I sort of doubt it as basically no one in this country understands honor anymore.

The specific names in this election almost don't matter anymore. It has turned into an existential worldview fight on a Deuteronomy 11:26 level. The mask is completely off the Democrat party and I have never seen an election that offered voters as clear a difference in world views as this one.

The real question is between all the illegals who have poured in, efforts by groups like Power to People to register ineligible and dead voters, and fraudulent donations by ActBlue if voters even matter anymore.

Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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Maybe you didn't notice, but his campaign came out and said he misspoke, apparently on multiple occasions, about his service.

Not that I expect it to move the needle at all. There are plenty of policy reasons not to vote for the nut job.

Mothra said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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Maybe you didn't notice, but his campaign came out and said he misspoke, apparently on multiple occasions, about his service.

Not that I expect it to move the needle at all. There are plenty of policy reasons not to vote for the nut job.

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One doesn't "misspeak" about this issue. He lied because he thought it could help him.

Trump is a draft dodger.

Both of them are wrong. It doesn't have to be an either/or.


Waltz is a little like guys telling war stories. The more willing they are to talk about it, the more fantastic the story the closer you approach 100% lying. Guys who have seen and done horrific things don't want to talk about it and they definitely don't glamorize it.

4th and Inches said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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did you serve? I know some pissed off vets who strongly dosagree with you

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Five years, USAF. Grew up an Air Force brat.

Every vet has his own opinion and like the rest of the world they are not always based on facts.

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Mothra said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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Maybe you didn't notice, but his campaign came out and said he misspoke, apparently on multiple occasions, about his service.

Not that I expect it to move the needle at all. There are plenty of policy reasons not to vote for the nut job.

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One doesn't "misspeak" about this issue. He lied because he thought it could help him.

Trump is a draft dodger.

Both of them are wrong. It doesn't have to be an either/or.


Waltz is a little like guys telling war stories. The more willing they are to talk about it, the more fantastic the story the closer you approach 100% lying. Guys who have seen and done horrific things don't want to talk about it and they definitely don't glamorize it.

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Of course it wasn't a misspeak. It was a lie. But that's the spin.

But as I said - there are plenty of reasons not to vote for the guy that are a lot more compelling.

Mothra said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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Maybe you didn't notice, but his campaign came out and said he misspoke, apparently on multiple occasions, about his service.

Not that I expect it to move the needle at all. There are plenty of policy reasons not to vote for the nut job.

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I did notice. Not being 100% correct is not the fatal flaw some are making it out to be.

The facts are pretty simple-Tim Walz served honorably. He resigned to run for Congress at a time when it was likely his unit was going to be deployed so he could do that. When on duty he regularly carried and trained with weapons. He achieved the rank of command sergeant major, but retired as a master sergeant because he had not held the higher rank long enough at his retirement.

He could have been clearer in describing those facts. Mountain out of a molehill by a group who sees the election slipping away.

What's crazy is he was a CSM. There's no need to lie. You don't get to be a CSM without some serious time, ability and people skills. That, in and of itself, would command respect.

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Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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did you serve? I know some pissed off vets who strongly dosagree with you

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This is a strange one.

He was eligible to retire and he was Honorably Discharged. He followed the rules of the Army, so I have no problem with his decision and his putting in his paperwork. Same with people that decided the 82nd wasn't for them and terminated jump status, it was voluntary and they followed the rules. There are always those that will be pissed. They are basically pissed at anyone that didn't go 11-series (infantry). So, I take them with a grain of salt.

I don't even have issue with the rank discrepancy, he was reduced back to E8 because he didn't serve 2 years after making E9. He passed the Sgt Mjr Academy and was promoted, but retired.

I have seen too many rules change, conditions added and exceptions made to get upset over that stuff. If this guy was Red, same people would be defending him.

Now, the saying he was in combat when he wasn't even in a forward area is what I have problems. Even those that went to Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan after the actual war are in forward areas and in danger. The rule of thumb I used from Desert Storm if you enter a US area and there are 2 M1s tracking your vehicle or you have to pass code in that qualifies as a forward area. Italy, not so much?

I don't like him for his policies and personality, the "stolen" stuff is minor. He did serve 24 years and Honorable retire. But, I am the minority.

nein51 said:

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Mothra said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.

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Maybe you didn't notice, but his campaign came out and said he misspoke, apparently on multiple occasions, about his service.

Not that I expect it to move the needle at all. There are plenty of policy reasons not to vote for the nut job.

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One doesn't "misspeak" about this issue. He lied because he thought it could help him.

Trump is a draft dodger.

Both of them are wrong. It doesn't have to be an either/or.


Waltz is a little like guys telling war stories. The more willing they are to talk about it, the more fantastic the story the closer you approach 100% lying. Guys who have seen and done horrific things don't want to talk about it and they definitely don't glamorize it.

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It seems quite different.

Trump is a draft dodger... but he never claimed to be a combat vet or even to be in the military.

Tim decided that his service wasn't glamorous enough, so he lied about his rank and his service. He must not respect his own service, if he thought he needed to lie about it on several occasions. He clearly was trying to use his service to gain something and impress people, rather than just being honest about it.

It is a revelation of his character that he didn't think his decades of service was enough. He thought he had to lie about it and in order to be worthy of something better. That's a level of disrespect for the military that should not be easily forgiven or forgotten.

Combine this with his horrific record as governor... and you have to have major TDS to support a guy like Tampon Timmy.

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We are discussing degrees of bad behavior and I refuse to do that. I'm not interested in which is worse. We need to be able to agree they are both bad behaviors.

Stabbing your brother with a fork and stealing candy from the store are both bad behaviors. You don't dismiss one because of the other. You will punish them differently.

Dodging the draft and lying about being in combat are both bad behavior; they may or may not be equal, that up to the individual assessing the situation, and I suspect those with (R) will dismiss one and those with (D) will dismiss the other.

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I think it says a lot about his character, that he thought he needed to lie about his service.

The majority of people who serve in the military, never deploy to a combat zone. It is extremely common to serve for years, even decades without deploying to a combat zone. He could have just said that he served during the war, and that would have been truthful and normal.

Tampon Timmy went out of his way, on several occasions, to say that he served in combat or that he was in Afghanistan during the war or that he carried a weapon in combat. This wasn't a "mistake" or a simple "embellishment"... it was an intentional lie.

It really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, when you look at his record. These lies totally fit with the guy who created a snitch hotline, and encouraged people to turn in their neighbors & family members for violating some of the most draconian lockdown measures in the nation.
The guy is a dictatorial nutjob... it should be no surprise that he lies about his military service.

william said:

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#AnotherWalzLie

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"I spent 24 years in the National Guard, some of that full-time. I was an artilleryman. I deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. My battalion provided base security throughout the European theater from Turkey to England in the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. And that same battalion is now in Iraq at this time," Walz said in 2007 on CSPAN.
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william said:

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walz backtracks as scandal grows:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/tim-walz-misspoke-discussed-using-weapons-war-campaign-says-rcna166038

- kkm

he needs to formally apologize to the people he quit on.

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I don't see it that way. I know many that put in their paperwork when another deployment was coming or they were just done. He put in his paperwork, it was accepted and processed. What does his DD 214 say? That says it all - If it says "Honorable" he did his job and can hold his head high. If he didn't it would say General, which is what drug offenders and such get.

He is entitled to put his paperwork in anytime after 20 years, there is no shame in that. We are talking National Guard here. Even if Active Duty, if it was serious they wouldn't accept, they would extend him if his MOS was critical. So, the fact it was approved, tells me he was good with the Army.

The others are pissed he had options and was successful and they didn't. That is what this sounds like to me.

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I agree, this part of the story is not a big deal at all. He saw an opportunity to get out and avoid possible death, while also shifting careers to become a politician. He had been in for decades, so he earned the right to leave on his own. This is a nothing burger.

It's the lying part that should be a problem. Saying you were in a combat zone, saying you carried a weapon in combat, letting people believe that you were "boots on the ground" in Afghanistan or Iraq... that is the part that should matter.

My goodness... 20 years of honorable service isn't enough? You have to lie about what you did and where you served? Why?

I don't ask people in uniform if they ever carried a weapon in a combat zone. I look them in the eye, shake their hand, say "thank you for your service", and then pay for their coffee or meal. Normal people don't really care if you were "tip of the spear" or not... you served and that's what matters. But for Timmy, it seems like it wasn't enough for him, and that's just sad.

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We are discussing degrees of bad behavior and I refuse to do that. I'm not interested in which is worse. We need to be able to agree they are both bad behaviors.

Stabbing your brother with a fork and stealing candy from the store are both bad behaviors. You don't dismiss one because of the other. You will punish them differently.

Dodging the draft and lying about being in combat are both bad behavior; they may or may not be equal, that up to the individual assessing the situation, and I suspect those with (R) will dismiss one and those with (D) will dismiss the other.

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I think it says a lot about his character, that he thought he needed to lie about his service.

The majority of people who serve in the military, never deploy to a combat zone. It is extremely common to serve for years, even decades without deploying to a combat zone. He could have just said that he served during the war, and that would have been truthful and normal.

Tampon Timmy went out of his way, on several occasions, to say that he served in combat or that he was in Afghanistan during the war or that he carried a weapon in combat. This wasn't a "mistake" or a simple "embellishment"... it was an intentional lie.

It really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, when you look at his record. These lies totally fit with the guy who created a snitch hotline, and encouraged people to turn in their neighbors & family members for violating some of the most draconian lockdown measures in the nation.
The guy is a dictatorial nutjob... it should be no surprise that he lies about his military service.

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I think we largely agree here. It was definitely intentional, it's definitely a lie, there are many reasons to dislike him.

Virtually the entire armed forces are support. For every guy on a front line there are 10 (or more) in support roles.

We also agree he didn't need to lie about it. This isn't a guy that spent 2 years in, never left Kansas, had a general discharge and says he has PTSD. It's such a stupid thing to do on his part.

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Democrats are appealing to middle aged women who don't have jobs and are heavily invested in idpol they consume from mainstream media. These are the voters they need to win elections and they don't care about anything other than the idpol agenda. White women under 40 are like 90% "blue no matter who" and buy into every feminist/race hustler grift around. I can't think of a more devout demographic to leftist nonsense than white women.

Look at the crowd:

These are all of Kamala’s supporters. Middle aged white women. Can Trump win them over? pic.twitter.com/pAc3aS1PO0

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) August 9, 2024

“She’s a woman and she’s black.” Why white women are voting for Kamala. pic.twitter.com/sECpfi9r52

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) August 10, 2024

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Easily the dumbest demographic in the nation.... White women under 40.

There is no hope for Trump to win them over, because they only vote on feelings & perceptions. They will never vote based upon logic & reason... so they will never vote Republican.

This is why women in general should not have the vote. They make emotional and irrational decisions, the majority of the time.
If you have ever been married, you know this is true.

I work with women in the office, and I see everyday how they have to struggle to overcome their emotions and engage the logic/reason side of their brain. Example: they don't want their friends to get fired, even when they are clearly not capable or are clearly causing major issues at work. On the flip side, they will demand someone get fired, if they don't like interacting with that person.... even if he is the best producer in the office.

The reality is that without irrational & emotional women... the democrats would never win an election. What an amazing nation we would have, if that were the case.