Do Dems care about Tim's stolen Valor at all?

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In reply to ShooterTX • 9:39a, 8/10/24
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Doc Holliday said:
Democrats are appealing to middle aged women who don't have jobs and are heavily invested in idpol they consume from mainstream media. These are the voters they need to win elections and they don't care about anything other than the idpol agenda. White women under 40 are like 90% "blue no matter who" and buy into every feminist/race hustler grift around. I can't think of a more devout demographic to leftist nonsense than white women.

Look at the crowd:

Easily the dumbest demographic in the nation.... White women under 40.

There is no hope for Trump to win them over, because they only vote on feelings & perceptions. They will never vote based upon logic & reason... so they will never vote Republican.

This is why women in general should not have the vote. They make emotional and irrational decisions, the majority of the time.
If you have ever been married, you know this is true.

I work with women in the office, and I see everyday how they have to struggle to overcome their emotions and engage the logic/reason side of their brain. Example: they don't want their friends to get fired, even when they are clearly not capable or are clearly causing major issues at work. On the flip side, they will demand someone get fired, if they don't like interacting with that person.... even if he is the best producer in the office.

The reality is that without irrational & emotional women... the democrats would never win an election. What an amazing nation we would have, if that were the case.
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 10:09a, 8/10/24
Doc Holliday said:
ShooterTX said:
Doc Holliday said:
Democrats are appealing to middle aged women who don't have jobs and are heavily invested in idpol they consume from mainstream media. These are the voters they need to win elections and they don't care about anything other than the idpol agenda. White women under 40 are like 90% "blue no matter who" and buy into every feminist/race hustler grift around. I can't think of a more devout demographic to leftist nonsense than white women.

Look at the crowd:

Easily the dumbest demographic in the nation.... White women under 40.

There is no hope for Trump to win them over, because they only vote on feelings & perceptions. They will never vote based upon logic & reason... so they will never vote Republican.

This is why women in general should not have the vote. They make emotional and irrational decisions, the majority of the time.
If you have ever been married, you know this is true.

I work with women in the office, and I see everyday how they have to struggle to overcome their emotions and engage the logic/reason side of their brain. Example: they don't want their friends to get fired, even when they are clearly not capable or are clearly causing major issues at work. On the flip side, they will demand someone get fired, if they don't like interacting with that person.... even if he is the best producer in the office.

The reality is that without irrational & emotional women... the democrats would never win an election. What an amazing nation we would have, if that were the case.

Another way to phrase this...

Conservatives are more likely to view Liberals as people who are confused, misguided or brainwashed. They are people who need to be won over, deprogrammed, or rescued from their captors.
Liberals are more likely to view Conservatives as evil monsters who are not even human.

Just take a quick look at the folks on Morning Joe or The View, and you can easily see this played out.

And we can see this in the White women under 40 group. They view conservatives as horrible monsters who must be destroyed. They are the ones who were openly upset that the shooter missed Trump. They are the ones who want to kill & destroy conservatives, rather than win them over with rational debate & discussion. Their emotions get whipped up until they see their opponents as monsters... and there is no room for empathy with monsters.
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In reply to ShooterTX • 10:14a, 8/10/24
ShooterTX said:
Doc Holliday said:
ShooterTX said:
Doc Holliday said:
Democrats are appealing to middle aged women who don't have jobs and are heavily invested in idpol they consume from mainstream media. These are the voters they need to win elections and they don't care about anything other than the idpol agenda. White women under 40 are like 90% "blue no matter who" and buy into every feminist/race hustler grift around. I can't think of a more devout demographic to leftist nonsense than white women.

Look at the crowd:

Easily the dumbest demographic in the nation.... White women under 40.

There is no hope for Trump to win them over, because they only vote on feelings & perceptions. They will never vote based upon logic & reason... so they will never vote Republican.

This is why women in general should not have the vote. They make emotional and irrational decisions, the majority of the time.
If you have ever been married, you know this is true.

I work with women in the office, and I see everyday how they have to struggle to overcome their emotions and engage the logic/reason side of their brain. Example: they don't want their friends to get fired, even when they are clearly not capable or are clearly causing major issues at work. On the flip side, they will demand someone get fired, if they don't like interacting with that person.... even if he is the best producer in the office.

The reality is that without irrational & emotional women... the democrats would never win an election. What an amazing nation we would have, if that were the case.

Another way to phrase this...

Conservatives are more likely to view Liberals as people who are confused, misguided or brainwashed. They are people who need to be won over, deprogrammed, or rescued from their captors.
Liberals are more likely to view Conservatives as evil monsters who are not even human.

Just take a quick look at the folks on Morning Joe or The View, and you can easily see this played out.

And we can see this in the White women under 40 group. They view conservatives as horrible monsters who must be destroyed. They are the ones who were openly upset that the shooter missed Trump. They are the ones who want to kill & destroy conservatives, rather than win them over with rational debate & discussion. Their emotions get whipped up until they see their opponents as monsters... and there is no room for empathy with monsters.
They're going to keep chipping away at us and destroying society and it will get to the point where it's intolerable for even the weakest conservatives. These power hungry psychopaths will regret what they've done.
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10:25a, 8/10/24
Probably about as much as Republicans care about the fake elector scheme.

It's all about winning these days. Either party can put up the most despicable candidates imaginable, and both sides will turn blind to their own party's mistakes, but of course, exist in a state of constant shock and outrage over the other party's mistakes.

What is truly interesting to me is how quickly either side will follow up on what I consider to be egregious errors made by the other. For instance, Republicans will say they are shocked and outraged over Trump's impeachment, but herald impeachment articles brought against Harris a few years later. Democrats will say they have taken the moral high road in a time when Trump only cares about himself and winning, but then they will put up a candidate nobody voted for and subvert the intention of democracy in order to give themselves the best shot at winning.

Morality is only a vague passing concern for these elites, and most of the electorate. I try to constantly call many of you zealots for this very reason. Zealotry is exactly what we have today in both parties. Most of you would gladly sell their own souls to win federal elections. Nobody cares about voting for a good guy or gal, they care about winning.
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10:32a, 8/10/24
I did not serve but all my friends and family that did are pissed to the point the independents and Democrats will not vote for Tampon Tim.
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In reply to Porteroso • 10:39a, 8/10/24
Porteroso said:
Probably about as much as Republicans care about the fake elector scheme.

It's all about winning these days. Either party can put up the most despicable candidates imaginable, and both sides will turn blind to their own party's mistakes, but of course, exist in a state of constant shock and outrage over the other party's mistakes.

What is truly interesting to me is how quickly either side will follow up on what I consider to be egregious errors made by the other. For instance, Republicans will say they are shocked and outraged over Trump's impeachment, but herald impeachment articles brought against Harris a few years later. Democrats will say they have taken the moral high road in a time when Trump only cares about himself and winning, but then they will put up a candidate nobody voted for and subvert the intention of democracy in order to give themselves the best shot at winning.

Morality is only a vague passing concern for these elites, and most of the electorate. I try to constantly call many of you zealots for this very reason. Zealotry is exactly what we have today in both parties. Most of you would gladly sell their own souls to win federal elections. Nobody cares about voting for a good guy or gal, they care about winning.

I don't always agree with everything you post but we seem to share some middle ground.
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In reply to Porteroso • 10:41a, 8/10/24
Porteroso said:
Probably about as much as Republicans care about the fake elector scheme.

It's all about winning these days. Either party can put up the most despicable candidates imaginable, and both sides will turn blind to their own party's mistakes, but of course, exist in a state of constant shock and outrage over the other party's mistakes.

What is truly interesting to me is how quickly either side will follow up on what I consider to be egregious errors made by the other. For instance, Republicans will say they are shocked and outraged over Trump's impeachment, but herald impeachment articles brought against Harris a few years later. Democrats will say they have taken the moral high road in a time when Trump only cares about himself and winning, but then they will put up a candidate nobody voted for and subvert the intention of democracy in order to give themselves the best shot at winning.

Morality is only a vague passing concern for these elites, and most of the electorate. I try to constantly call many of you zealots for this very reason. Zealotry is exactly what we have today in both parties. Most of you would gladly sell their own souls to win federal elections. Nobody cares about voting for a good guy or gal, they care about winning.

You can't call out anyone as a zealot when your first line is essentially a whataboutism. That eliminates discourse
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 10:49a, 8/10/24
Doc Holliday said:
ShooterTX said:
Doc Holliday said:
ShooterTX said:
Doc Holliday said:
Democrats are appealing to middle aged women who don't have jobs and are heavily invested in idpol they consume from mainstream media. These are the voters they need to win elections and they don't care about anything other than the idpol agenda. White women under 40 are like 90% "blue no matter who" and buy into every feminist/race hustler grift around. I can't think of a more devout demographic to leftist nonsense than white women.

Look at the crowd:

Easily the dumbest demographic in the nation.... White women under 40.

There is no hope for Trump to win them over, because they only vote on feelings & perceptions. They will never vote based upon logic & reason... so they will never vote Republican.

This is why women in general should not have the vote. They make emotional and irrational decisions, the majority of the time.
If you have ever been married, you know this is true.

I work with women in the office, and I see everyday how they have to struggle to overcome their emotions and engage the logic/reason side of their brain. Example: they don't want their friends to get fired, even when they are clearly not capable or are clearly causing major issues at work. On the flip side, they will demand someone get fired, if they don't like interacting with that person.... even if he is the best producer in the office.

The reality is that without irrational & emotional women... the democrats would never win an election. What an amazing nation we would have, if that were the case.

Another way to phrase this...

Conservatives are more likely to view Liberals as people who are confused, misguided or brainwashed. They are people who need to be won over, deprogrammed, or rescued from their captors.
Liberals are more likely to view Conservatives as evil monsters who are not even human.

Just take a quick look at the folks on Morning Joe or The View, and you can easily see this played out.

And we can see this in the White women under 40 group. They view conservatives as horrible monsters who must be destroyed. They are the ones who were openly upset that the shooter missed Trump. They are the ones who want to kill & destroy conservatives, rather than win them over with rational debate & discussion. Their emotions get whipped up until they see their opponents as monsters... and there is no room for empathy with monsters.
They're going to keep chipping away at us and destroying society and it will get to the point where it's intolerable for even the weakest conservatives. These power hungry psychopaths will regret what they've done.

It's really sad, but there is going to be either a national divorce, or a bloody civil war.

The leftards cannot win so long as conservatives have guns. So either they will institute a door-to-door campaign to disarm citizens, or they agree to let Texas and other states leave.

The leftards want to do what is currently happening in the UK. They want to let criminals they like out of jail, so that they can imprison people that they don't like. They are literally kicking down doors in the UK, to imprison people who say and/or believe things that the government regime doesn't like. Such actions cannot be done unless you have already disarmed your population.

We are on an inevitable road to separation. This will happen because the left wants to imprison & destroy the right... and the right just wants to be left alone. The right was brainwashed into believing that we needed to "tolerate" the left, while the left has been trained to hate the right. The left is evil, and we should never have tolerated evil. Evil will never tolerate the existence of good... so the left is out to destroy the right.

Here is exactly what the democrats want for America:





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In reply to Porteroso • 10:59a, 8/10/24
Porteroso said:

What is truly interesting to me is how quickly either side will follow up on what I consider to be egregious errors made by the other. For instance, Republicans will say they are shocked and outraged over Trump's impeachment, but herald impeachment articles brought against Harris a few years later. Democrats will say they have taken the moral high road in a time when Trump only cares about himself and winning, but then they will put up a candidate nobody voted for and subvert the intention of democracy in order to give themselves the best shot at winning.

The impeachments of Trump were based upon lies.

If there is an impeachment attempt of Harris that is based upon lies, there will be millions and millions of Republicans who will oppose it. If there is an impeachment attempt on Harris that is based upon actual evidence of wrong doing... THEN it will be celebrated by Republicans. You are making a very false comparison when you compare an actual event to a fictitious one.

I cannot think of a single democrat who spoke out in opposition to the fake Trump impeachments... can you?

Meanwhile there were plenty of Republicans who openly said that they did not agree with the impeachment of Clinton. It was clear and obvious that Clinton had lied, so his guilt was not in question. Clinton himself apologized for lying, so his admission of guilt was clear & obvious. But there were people on both sides who said that it wasn't worthy of impeachment. It was a lie about adultery, not a lie about a governmental issue. There were also democrats who thought he deserved to be impeached for lying under oath, regardless of what the lie was about.

So your comparison just fails. The false accusations about Trump were universally celebrated by demoncrats, while the accurate accusations of Clinton were hotly debated by both sides.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 11:05a, 8/10/24
Everyone knows about DT at this point. They all know he found a way to get out of serving when many young men and women were going into a war they did not want to go to, but did anyway. There will be vets who vote for him anyway, and there will be vets who don't vote for him because of that.
TW served his country. There will be vets who will look the other way on his policies and vote for him because of that, and there will be vets who don't vote for him because of his policies.

Just because someone is a veteran doesn't give them a pass on other things though. We can respect them for their service, and stop there.

The things he stands for are so far off the rail I don't even know how anyone could look the other way...on his policy. And we're not just talking about mild or slightly different policy stands. His and hers are extreme.
As someone noted on here, regardless of which ones served and which one didn't, the decision is clear and the differences are vast.

I may question DT on his lack of military service at a time when it was needed, but I guess I will make my choice to look the other way on that, because a vote for the other side means some pretty troubling things. Not the least of which is their extreme stand on abortion. Again, that's not just a slight policy difference, that enters into the world of the inhumane. And I don't know how ANYONE could look the other way on that. Regardless of military service. I don't like to see myself as a one issue voter, but their stand on that is so extreme and troubling, I don't see how it can't jump to the top of the list.

And then you start getting into the other stuff he stands for, and the things he did, and didn't do, for MN during the riots, sorry, his service isn't giving him an automatic pass in my book.

This could have all been avoided if he, as someone else noted on here, just addressed his service to the country with pride and didn't embellish on it. Why embellish on it? Service is service and it's respected.
The irony is my ex was a combat veteran, on the front lines as an officer during Desert Storm, and actually played it down. As a lot of my friends did who played down their service. They were very humble men. Whether they were in combat or not, they were humble servants to this country.

Had TW just taken that road, there would be no story.

Still it wouldn't have changed my mind. His policies and political stands are, imo, revolting.
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In reply to Frank Galvin • 11:06a, 8/10/24
Frank Galvin said:
It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.
Says the guy who probably, if old enough, voted for Bill Clinton
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In reply to Whiskey Pete • 11:08a, 8/10/24
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Frank Galvin said:
It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.
Says the guy who probably, if old enough, voted for Bill Clinton
George HW Bush was my favorite President, hated seeing him lose...
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11:17a, 8/10/24
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In reply to Whiskey Pete • 12:09p, 8/10/24
Whiskey Pete said:
Frank Galvin said:
It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.
Says the guy who probably, if old enough, voted for Bill Clinton



He is, so I'm sure he did.
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1:12p, 8/10/24
One veteran here giving his opinion and 10 non vers telling us how vets feel.

Fubar also served our country. He may be along soon.

The same poster calls liberals misguided and says they can be reasoned. In his next post he calls them ******ed


One politician led parades and participated in collegiate sports but paid of his doc for a medical exemption.

Another politician served his country. He exited legally and properly. Many years later he exaggerated about his service.

One served his country. One lied while he led parades.

I wont vote for either one.
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Living fast or dying slow.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 2:24p, 8/10/24
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
One veteran here giving his opinion and 10 non vers telling us how vets feel.

Fubar also served our country. He may be along soon.

The same poster calls liberals misguided and says they can be reasoned. In his next post he calls them ******ed


One politician led parades and participated in collegiate sports but paid of his doc for a medical exemption.

Another politician served his country. He exited legally and properly. Many years later he exaggerated about his service.

One served his country. One lied while he led parades.

I wont vote for either one.
He didn't exaggerate, he flat out lied about rank and duty. Try again.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
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2:27p, 8/10/24
Walz seems like a guy who spent too much time alone, out behind the corn crib.....sculpting his butter.
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Can't believe these gop hypocrites talking noise about Walz who actually served his country 24 years, and meanwhile you have trump private bone spurs who dodged the draft and called our pows and war dead losers and suckers and then you got Vance who was deployed............to Italy

Maga has no high ground here and they really need to stfu.
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In reply to TrojanMoondoggie • 3:28p, 8/10/24
TrojanMoondoggie said:
Everyone knows about DT at this point. They all know he found a way to get out of serving when many young men and women were going into a war they did not want to go to, but did anyway. There will be vets who vote for him anyway, and there will be vets who don't vote for him because of that.
TW served his country. There will be vets who will look the other way on his policies and vote for him because of that, and there will be vets who don't vote for him because of his policies.

Just because someone is a veteran doesn't give them a pass on other things though. We can respect them for their service, and stop there.

The things he stands for are so far off the rail I don't even know how anyone could look the other way...on his policy. And we're not just talking about mild or slightly different policy stands. His and hers are extreme.
As someone noted on here, regardless of which ones served and which one didn't, the decision is clear and the differences are vast.

I may question DT on his lack of military service at a time when it was needed, but I guess I will make my choice to look the other way on that, because a vote for the other side means some pretty troubling things. Not the least of which is their extreme stand on abortion. Again, that's not just a slight policy difference, that enters into the world of the inhumane. And I don't know how ANYONE could look the other way on that. Regardless of military service. I don't like to see myself as a one issue voter, but their stand on that is so extreme and troubling, I don't see how it can't jump to the top of the list.

And then you start getting into the other stuff he stands for, and the things he did, and didn't do, for MN during the riots, sorry, his service isn't giving him an automatic pass in my book.

This could have all been avoided if he, as someone else noted on here, just addressed his service to the country with pride and didn't embellish on it. Why embellish on it? Service is service and it's respected.
The irony is my ex was a combat veteran, on the front lines as an officer during Desert Storm, and actually played it down. As a lot of my friends did who played down their service. They were very humble men. Whether they were in combat or not, they were humble servants to this country.

Had TW just taken that road, there would be no story.

Still it wouldn't have changed my mind. His policies and political stands are, imo, revolting.
Well, this is probably the best take of the day.

Hey everyone... let's just vote on what these folks are going to do in the future, based upon their most recent actions and promises.

That's a very valid point. The Trump draft dodging thing was literally more than 55 years ago. Seems totally irrelevant now.

The Tim Walz lies about his service was just a few months ago... but I'm more than willing to let it go and just focus on his train wreck of a career as a politician! Yikes!
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In reply to elayer • 3:36p, 8/10/24
elayer said:
Can't believe these gop hypocrites talking noise about Walz who actually served his country 24 years, and meanwhile you have trump private bone spurs who dodged the draft and called our pows and war dead losers and suckers and then you got Vance who was deployed............to Italy

Maga has no high ground here and they really need to stfu.
Wow... just wow!

Trump never said that BS about "losers and suckers". That is a confirmed lie. The fact that you are repeating it to this day, just shows how uninformed you are.

Then you add the cherry on top with your stupidity. JD Vance was actually in Iraq, you ****ing ******! It was Walz who was in Italy.

You really should just stop talking. You are the perfect example of just how stupid and un-informed the average Okamala voter is these days.
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3:37p, 8/10/24
You Trumpers are all idiots. Read the entire timeline for Walz. Read what Gen. Barry McCaffrey and Adam Kinzinger said about it. You are in a cult whether you know it or not. Get help. You really are a bunch of brainwashed goobers.
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In reply to elayer • 3:42p, 8/10/24
elayer said:
Can't believe these gop hypocrites talking noise about Walz who actually served his country 24 years, and meanwhile you have trump private bone spurs who dodged the draft and called our pows and war dead losers and suckers and then you got Vance who was deployed............to Italy

Maga has no high ground here and they really need to stfu.
The Army has standards for fitness which disqualify potential candidates, bone spurs are one of them. That's not something you can really fake in order to avoid the draft. The losers and suckers accusations have been debunked years ago.

TDS is a real malady which is a cause of bad breath.
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In reply to FFA0329 • 3:53p, 8/10/24
FFA0329 said:
You Trumpers are all idiots. Read the entire timeline for Walz. Read what Gen. Barry McCaffrey and Adam Kinzinger said about it. You are in a cult whether you know it or not. Get help. You really are a bunch of brainwashed goobers.


Odd. So 74 million people are in a brainwashed cult?


That says more about you than them.
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In reply to FFA0329 • 4:00p, 8/10/24
FFA0329 said:
You Trumpers are all idiots. Read the entire timeline for Walz. Read what Gen. Barry McCaffrey and Adam Kinzinger said about it. You are in a cult whether you know it or not. Get help. You really are a bunch of brainwashed goobers.
If you think this guy is a good candidate for VP... then YOU are the braindead goober!

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In reply to FFA0329 • 4:02p, 8/10/24
FFA0329 said:
You Trumpers are all idiots. Read the entire timeline for Walz. Read what Gen. Barry McCaffrey and Adam Kinzinger said about it. You are in a cult whether you know it or not. Get help. You really are a bunch of brainwashed goobers.
Groomer is projecting again.
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4:19p, 8/10/24
The army didn't identify bone spurs. A private dr signed the physical.. Trumps bone spurs did not prevent him from marching in parades and participating in college athletics. I don't think it's affected the amount of golf he plays.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 4:22p, 8/10/24
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
The army didn't identify bone spurs. A private dr signed the physical.. Trumps bone spurs did not prevent him from marching in parades and participating in college athletics. I don't think it's affected the amount of golf he plays.
So your take on military service is that it's the equivalent of an occasional parade or game of golf?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html#:~:text=In%20the%20fall%20of%201968,from%20the%20military%20during%20Vietnam.
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In reply to Wangchung • 4:27p, 8/10/24
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
The army didn't identify bone spurs. A private dr signed the physical.. Trumps bone spurs did not prevent him from marching in parades and participating in college athletics. I don't think it's affected the amount of golf he plays.
So your take on military service is that it's the equivalent of an occasional parade or game of golf?


Trump overcame his bone spurs problem to play basketball and baseball and march in parades..

One man served his country. One man used his father's wealth to get a deferral.
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Walz:

1. Served honorably for more than two decades
2. Was promoted regularly, almost to the highest enlisted rank the Army has to give


However:

3. Walz - according to men who served under him - had promised to go to Iraq or Afghanistan with them if the unit was so ordered. However, in the actual case Walz retired from the Army just before his unit was to deploy to war, and - again according to his men - Walz never told his men before they arrived in theater and discovered he was not with them. This is a complaint lodged against Walz by men who served under him.

4. Walz claimed many times on his bio the rank which he actually never earned, as that rank was conditional on Walz actually deploying with his unit. The fact that Walz went to Italy to finish his time before retiring instead of going to combat meant Walz was officially one rank lower than he has claimed. Oddly, despite Walz claiming he 'misspoke' about combat, he never admitted that he never actually earned the rank he claimed, and again this complaint originated a long time ago from his men, not any political opponent.

5. Walz deliberately played up the 'combat' role in political postures as early as 2004, when he falsely claimed to be part of Operation Enduring Freedom in supporting John Kerry's campaign. Walz has made no effort to address these discrepancies with the facts, and it sure appears Walz made deliberate statements over and over which he knew to be false.


It depends on who you talk to, how damaging this will be. Trump's history with regard to the military blocks him from making any credible criticism of Walz, but since Trump is running against Harris, who also never served, Trump has to know that silence is his best friend on this issue. Walz, however, rake-stepped by attacking Vance, which prompted the same men who served under Walz to complain about Walz's repeated "mis-statements" which oh-so-coincidentally served his political goals. As a result, Walz created the mess, and for some voters an insincere claim that he simply phrased things wrong will not fly.

Democrats won't stop voting for Harris because of this incident, and Republicans were never going to vote for Harris because of Walz being her Veep pick. The question to be decided is how this will play with independent voters in the battleground states, and that demographic won't show up in national polls.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 5:15p, 8/10/24
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Wangchung said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
The army didn't identify bone spurs. A private dr signed the physical.. Trumps bone spurs did not prevent him from marching in parades and participating in college athletics. I don't think it's affected the amount of golf he plays.
So your take on military service is that it's the equivalent of an occasional parade or game of golf?


Trump overcame his bone spurs problem to play basketball and baseball and march in parades..

One man served his country. One man used his father's wealth to get a deferral.
Right. Trump got a medical deferral and Vance served in a combat zone. Kamala served on her knees and Walz lied about serving in a combat zone.
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In reply to ShooterTX • 5:42p, 8/10/24
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elayer said:
Can't believe these gop hypocrites talking noise about Walz who actually served his country 24 years, and meanwhile you have trump private bone spurs who dodged the draft and called our pows and war dead losers and suckers and then you got Vance who was deployed............to Italy

Maga has no high ground here and they really need to stfu.
Wow... just wow!

Trump never said that BS about "losers and suckers". That is a confirmed lie. The fact that you are repeating it to this day, just shows how uninformed you are.

Then you add the cherry on top with your stupidity. JD Vance was actually in Iraq, you ****ing ******! It was Walz who was in Italy.

You really should just stop talking. You are the perfect example of just how stupid and un-informed the average Okamala voter is these days.
Exacrtly, TX! I was going to say the same thing. And sorry for yet another long memo that follows, but it is just so irritating what these liberals will say. And what they will ignore. And what they will justify and/or look the other way on.

DT actually brought this up in his speech, even though his people told him just to leave it alone.

But he wouldn't. Because he didn't want people thinking that he would actually say something like that about our men and women in uniform. His claims have been backed up by those who were there, who said he didn't say it. Including one person who didn't care for DT, but still said that he didn't say it. And funny how he insisted on bringing it up in his speech, and I haven't heard anyone counter it anymore (and even if they did, I wouldn't believe it anyway).

Are there things that DT has said and done, on record, that I wish he hadn't? Yes. But it's on record so he can't deny it, and I'm not going to try to deny it either. That other thing though....pure fabrication it would seem.

We all know though that those who are trying to sabotage him will stick to their stories saying that he did, and like the good media that we have in this country are always so good to do, they will keep the lies going. And sadly we live in a country where all you have to do is say something and that makes it true. Even when it's debunked. And voters are just so ignorant and out of touch they will not do the research necessary to find out.

You can't expect better from these liberals though. They spout the science when it comes to global warming, but don't even know what a woman is.

Furthermore they ignore the science that tells us that human life begins at conception. This is proof because why else would a women be so happy when she finds out she's pregnant. Because she knows there is a baby, a human being, growing inside of her. And why is a woman who aborts so quick to want to make that happen? Because she also knows there is a life growing inside of her. One that she doesn't want.

Why can't those on the left understand this? Because then they would have to admit that this pro choice/pro abortion thing is wrong. Cover your ears, cover your eyes and repeat, na, na, na, na. It will go away. And bring in a bigger percentage of the women's vote.

It still shocks me that women, who are supposed to be the caring and nurturing ones are so willing to look the other way on this. And to think 1/2 of those babies left on the exam table were girls!

And those clowns on the left still want women to be able to get rid of that baby....practically until birth???

And these leftist politicians and the women who support them will STILL deny it's a human baby.. Even though baby parts are left all over the exam table (this according to the doctors who have performed this procedure and no longer will).

You really do have to live in a completely different universe or realm to ignore the things that are so obvious. So obvious they are right in front of your nose. And yet still denied. Just wow.

This poster might tell conservatives they have no right to talk considering DT's stand on the draft using health reasons not to serve. But what I say is he has even less a right to talk. DT not serving vs. late term abortion. This is not a contest. And anyone who looks the other way on the latter has zero right to pontificate. Over anything. Because we're not talking about draft dodging based on a health issue. We're talking about a human life.





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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 6:01p, 8/10/24
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Wangchung said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Tampon Tim lies about rank, lies about combat but in reality chickens out the eve before deployment, ugh. Do Dems care at all?

History shows that they do not care about anything unless the TV tells them to care. Lemmings.

But do Dem voting soldiers even actually care?
Dude, they were about to re-elect a man who took inappropriate showers with his own daughter and took bribes from foreign adversaries. The baby killing child groomers simply do not care.


Clearly Frank Galvins post reinforces this view.


There you go. They simply do not care. Biden and Clinton were more than equal Trump in getting deferments.

Pretending to attain rank and battle duty when you didn't earn it or do it, then opting out once you are actually called to back up your commitment, is worse than a kid in college getting multiple deferments. If those guys are draft dodgers they were joined by millions.
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In reply to Frank Galvin • 6:12p, 8/10/24
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Mothra said:
Frank Galvin said:
It is really odd to use this bs to rationalize voting for a confirmed draft dodger.

To answer your question-no we do not care because he did not do anything wrong.


Maybe you didn't notice, but his campaign came out and said he misspoke, apparently on multiple occasions, about his service.

Not that I expect it to move the needle at all. There are plenty of policy reasons not to vote for the nut job.


I did notice. Not being 100% correct is not the fatal flaw some are making it out to be.

The facts are pretty simple-Tim Walz served honorably. He resigned to run for Congress at a time when it was likely his unit was going to be deployed so he could do that. When on duty he regularly carried and trained with weapons. He achieved the rank of command sergeant major, but retired as a master sergeant because he had not held the higher rank long enough at his retirement.

He could have been clearer in describing those facts. Mountain out of a molehill by a group who sees the election slipping away.



It may be a mountain out of a mole hill by conservatives who see the election slipping away. But Id submit describing a purposeful misrepresentation and overstatement garnered to help yourself politically - which is exactly what this is - as a mere mistake is spin by a democrat who desperately wants Walz to win the election.

In short, if you're honest, I think you'd admit that this was no mere mistake.

This is an election year. In case you haven't noticed, your side also makes mountains out of molehills (hello cat ladies and couches). That's what both sides do to try and gain an edge.

But believe me when I say I'd prefer that the conservatives stick to your candidates crazy positions. They've given the republicans so much fodder in that regard.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 6:36p, 8/10/24
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
The army didn't identify bone spurs. A private dr signed the physical.. Trumps bone spurs did not prevent him from marching in parades and participating in college athletics. I don't think it's affected the amount of golf he plays.


I'm not defending Trump's deferrals. But the distinction here is Trump didn't run on his military service.

Walz did, and when a candidate does that, he better be honest about it instead of lying as Walz did. That pisses a lot of veterans off.
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