I don't think Right wing media blames immigrants. It seems to me Right wing media blames democrats for illegal entry of immigrants. The free stuff all immigrants have received while US citizens / vets have nothing.

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So Elon is wrong now because he is more right or doesn't see thing s like Cuban ?

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Once upon a time I respected Cuban's up from the bootstraps story. Those days are long gone now.

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He has a been a big scumbag for a while now

Mark Cuban can champion DEI because his billions insulate him from its effects.

He’ll never have to sit through diversity training, be operated on by a “diversity-pick,” or suffer career setbacks because he’s a white male.

DEI was always for the peasants. pic.twitter.com/g2sLdhxjMa

— Frank McCormick (@CBHeresy) January 6, 2024

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But the guy is recognizable to a lot of people. WTSHTF - - - Cuban won't last long...

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I don't think Right wing media blames immigrants. It seems to me Right wing media blames democrats for illegal entry of immigrants. The free stuff all immigrants have received while US citizens / vets have nothing.

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I was talking about the British media, though re-reading my post, i could have worded it better

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We have a serious problem so-called media outlets enabling agendas to trump truth.

It is frightening what people believe because they have been fed so much disinformation.

1. When people wonder what it means to live in a “totalitarian state,” it does not mean the use of violence against citizens, or being jailed for political dissent.

You can live in a totalitarian state and feel completely free. https://t.co/PTmsQJC9qd

— κρῠπτός (@_kruptos) August 11, 2024

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

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Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

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I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

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Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

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Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

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By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

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cms186 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

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Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

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I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

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Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

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Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

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By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

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I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

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In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

Like I said; you get the government you deserve/vote for. His views are not at all uncommon.

Further, while I disagree with most of what he posted, he's right in one thing; they (Torries) had 12 years to do something about it and did nothing. When you do nothing you can't be surprised that there is backlash.

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Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

---

Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

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I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

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Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

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Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

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By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

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I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

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In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

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If we had this law in America most of the Regime Media would be arrested.

KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

---

Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

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I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

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Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

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Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

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By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

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I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

Quote:

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

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In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

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So who gets to determine the speaker's intent ? Who gets to determine if the comment is a 'lie' ?

You; the government; or just those you agree with ?


Can't you see how such ' controls ' can be abused ?

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Well, generally speaking, they would get settled in a court of law, thats why we have laws for Libel and defamation.

Whilst the laws in the USA are less Plaintiff friendly, they still exist, meaning that there is no absolute right to Free speech

Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

---

Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

---

I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

---

Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

---

Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

---

By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

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I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

Quote:

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

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In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

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If I correctly point out that Islamic countries practice inbreeding at high rates as well as underage marriage, both factual and objective, then I say I'm concerned those cultural norms will be practiced in the UK…that could land me in trouble with the law.

That's a MAJOR fkn problem my guy.

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If you post something that is factually accurate, you will not get into trouble with the Law

Not sure that's accurate.

Can you get in trouble for "misgendering"? Or saying something like "only women can give birth"?

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Not sure that's accurate.

Can you get in trouble for "misgendering"? Or saying something like "only women can give birth"?

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If you say "only biological Women can give birth" which is a factually accurate statement then no.

If you said "only women can give birth" then I dont think you would get in legal trouble, depending on the context and visibility of your statement, then you might get online hate for it

same goes with Misgendering people

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cms186 said:

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KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

---

Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

---

I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

---

Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

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Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

---

By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

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I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

Quote:

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

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In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

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So who gets to determine the speaker's intent ? Who gets to determine if the comment is a 'lie' ?

You; the government; or just those you agree with ?


Can't you see how such ' controls ' can be abused ?

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Well, generally speaking, they would get settled in a court of law, thats why we have laws for Libel and defamation.

Whilst the laws in the USA are less Plaintiff friendly, they still exist, meaning that there is no absolute right to Free speech

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At some level you most know you are deflecting my questions.

Totalitarian regimes both right and left of the political spectrum have often controlled their people by clamping down on free speech.


History has shown repeatedly the real threat to a free society is the restriction of free speech.

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Anyone can see that's not what is happening here, I'm aware of what you are talking about, I studied German History at school and learnt about "Die Weisse Rose" group and how they were arrested and Executed for speaking against Nazism.

The British Government is in no way trying to control criticism of itself, we hold free and fair elections, thats not something totalitarian regimes tend to allow to happen, trying to claim that Britain is one (or heading towards becoming one) because you dont like that idiots face consequences for saying idiotic things that harm others is just backwards thinking.

I appreciate that Americans love their Freedoms, in some (probably most) cases, they are great and most 1st world countries enjoy similar or the same Freedoms, its what makes them 1st World countries, but when they differ, that doesnt mean they are devolving into a totalitarian regime, it just means, for example, when a Man walks into a Primary school and murders 17 Children with a Gun, some countries would prefer to take steps to ensure that kind of disaster never happens again over maintaining a freedom to bear arms.

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

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Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

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I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

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Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

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Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

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By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

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I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

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In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

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So who gets to determine the speaker's intent ? Who gets to determine if the comment is a 'lie' ?

You; the government; or just those you agree with ?


Can't you see how such ' controls ' can be abused ?

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Well, generally speaking, they would get settled in a court of law, thats why we have laws for Libel and defamation.

Whilst the laws in the USA are less Plaintiff friendly, they still exist, meaning that there is no absolute right to Free speech

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At some level you most know you are deflecting my questions.

Totalitarian regimes both right and left of the political spectrum have often controlled their people by clamping down on free speech.


History has shown repeatedly the real threat to a free society is the restriction of free speech.

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just means, for example, when a Man walks into a Primary school and murders 17 Children with a Gun, some countries would prefer to take steps to ensure that kind of disaster never happens again over maintaining a freedom to bear arms.

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Another obvious deflection.

As a thoughtful and intelligent individual, you know exactly what is occuring in Great Britain and the risks involved.

You simply approve of these cultural changes.

Restrictions of free speech are common in Muslim countries and throughout much of the Far East.

However I have confidence in the strength of the English and Scotts.

They will eventually fight back and prevail.

However the process of regaining their country will be a bloody mess.

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I directly answered your question, you choose to crop that out and focus and the part that didnt

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nein51 said:

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Not sure that's accurate.

Can you get in trouble for "misgendering"? Or saying something like "only women can give birth"?

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If you say "only biological Women can give birth" which is a factually accurate statement then no.

If you said "only women can give birth" then I dont think you would get in legal trouble, depending on the context and visibility of your statement, then you might get online hate for it

same goes with Misgendering people

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UK citizens should be able to tell someone claiming to be transgender that they're insane, lying to themselves and their promotion of their ideology is a danger to society and children.

For it or against it?

Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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nein51 said:

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Not sure that's accurate.

Can you get in trouble for "misgendering"? Or saying something like "only women can give birth"?

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If you say "only biological Women can give birth" which is a factually accurate statement then no.

If you said "only women can give birth" then I dont think you would get in legal trouble, depending on the context and visibility of your statement, then you might get online hate for it

same goes with Misgendering people

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UK citizens should be able to tell someone claiming to be transgender that they're insane, lying to themselves and their promotion of their ideology is a danger to society and children.

For it or against it?

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There is nothing currently stopping them from doing so, other than public reaction, I believe there are various celebrities (including JK Rowling) that say things similar to what you are expressing and have suffered no legal repercussions, some of them have suffered loss of earnings, but when you say stupid ****, there are usually some kind of repercussions

cms186 said:

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KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

---

Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

---

I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

---

Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

---

Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

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By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

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From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

---

I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

---

In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

---

So who gets to determine the speaker's intent ? Who gets to determine if the comment is a 'lie' ?

You; the government; or just those you agree with ?


Can't you see how such ' controls ' can be abused ?

---

Well, generally speaking, they would get settled in a court of law, thats why we have laws for Libel and defamation.

Whilst the laws in the USA are less Plaintiff friendly, they still exist, meaning that there is no absolute right to Free speech

---

At some level you most know you are deflecting my questions.

Totalitarian regimes both right and left of the political spectrum have often controlled their people by clamping down on free speech.


History has shown repeatedly the real threat to a free society is the restriction of free speech.

---

just means, for example, when a Man walks into a Primary school and murders 17 Children with a Gun, some countries would prefer to take steps to ensure that kind of disaster never happens again over maintaining a freedom to bear arms.

---

Another obvious deflection.

As a thoughtful and intelligent individual, you know exactly what is occuring in Great Britain and the risks involved.

You simply approve of these cultural changes.

Restrictions of free speech are common in Mu isslim countries and throughout much of the Far East.

However I have confidence in the strength of the English and Scotts.

They will eventually fight back and prevail.

However the process of regaining their country will be a bloody mess.

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I directly answered your question, you choose to crop that out and focus and the part that didnt

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1. As a traditionally law bidding people, in the short term , the English and Scotts will continue to allow their freedoms to be circumvented by an increasing woke government.
2. However they will eventually fight against tyranny as their ancestors always have.
3. Unfortunately there will be a massive bloodletting and the mentally / sexually confused minority will be responsible for it.

cms186 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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nein51 said:

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Not sure that's accurate.

Can you get in trouble for "misgendering"? Or saying something like "only women can give birth"?

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If you say "only biological Women can give birth" which is a factually accurate statement then no.

If you said "only women can give birth" then I dont think you would get in legal trouble, depending on the context and visibility of your statement, then you might get online hate for it

same goes with Misgendering people

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UK citizens should be able to tell someone claiming to be transgender that they're insane, lying to themselves and their promotion of their ideology is a danger to society and children.

For it or against it?

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There is nothing currently stopping them from doing so, other than public reaction, I believe there are various celebrities (including JK Rowling) that say things similar to what you are expressing and have suffered no legal repercussions, some of them have suffered loss of earnings, but when you say stupid ****, there are usually some kind of repercussions

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I'm asking if you want it to be legal or not?

And no, that's not a dumb thing to say, it's the truth.

they’re f*cking punch drunk over finally being able to deploy all the power they always wished they had because it’s finally against a population group who is institutionally blocked from pushing back https://t.co/I5Hlo51zEi

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) August 11, 2024

Guaranteed they will tell these children something is disinformation that turns out to be true. It will happen.

UK children to be taught how to spot extremist content and misinformation online https://t.co/qWtj2gqo0U

— Guardian news (@guardiannews) August 10, 2024

KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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KaiBear said:

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cms186 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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cms186 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sir Winston Churchill said it best:

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."

---

Winston Churchill

The greatest politician in the English speaking world until
victory was achieved in 1945.

Then the physical and mental ravages of old age took hold.

---

I feel what you are saying but Chruchill over saw the end of the British empire (wasted lives and money on two foolish world wars)

While Ben oversaw the British empire reach its peak of power

He was the best PM of the UK

---

Reasonable opinion.

But Ben didn't have to deal with the likes of Stalin or Hitler from a position of weakness.

---

Churchill was actually a complete POS. Hitler made several peace offeriings and wanted to avoid war with Britian and he rejected all of them. He was paid off to push Britian into war.

---

By todays standards, Churchill might be a bit unpleasant, but then thats always going to be the case, Hitler might have wanted to avoid a war with Britain at the time, because it suited him to attack Europe piece by piece, but i think its pretty clear that we would have been attacked sooner or later and Churchill made the right calls in fighting Hitler when he did.

referring back to the "unrest" talked about in the OP, when your right wing media is constantly blaming everything on Immigrants, then you get right wing idiots blaming a stabbing attack on Islamic illegal immigrants (when the attacked was a Christian born in the UK to legal -I think- immigrant parents), sadly it brings out the morons. The Tories had over a decade to sort it out and have, if anything, taken the country backwards in many ways, leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

I went to London a few weeks ago and regret to inform people that its rumours of becoming a no-go zone for White people are vastly over stated, Its a vast, multi-cultural city, in a good way.

---

From 2012 to 2021, 2,729,000 immigrants from non-EU countries entered the UK. Since then a further 2,143,000 entered, 4,872,000 in 12 years. Crime rates in England & Wales have risen every year since 2013-14 (4,028,463 offences) to 2023-24 (6,657,518), a 60% increase in 10 years.

Now correlation isn't causation, but that's a catastrophic trend.

---

I dont know where you got your numbers from, but that is pretty misleading, there was a rise in Crime rate from 13/14 through to 18/19, but since then (barring a sharp decrease because of Covid and a corresponding rise after it, Our Crime Rate (the amount of crimes happening per 1000 people) has remained largely the same and actually decreased significantly last year to the point it is (only just) lower than it was in 18/19. So yes, there are more crimes, but the actual rate at which crimes is happening isnt increasing much (if at all).

England and Wales currently experiences 89.7 crimes per 1000 people, 20 years ago, that number was at 110.6

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

Quote:

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It is a dangerous city, I've been multiple times and once had foreigners try to bait me out of a taxi in Piccadilly Circus and the driver locked the doors and saying that groups of foreigners will stab you and take your belongings. My brother in law who lived there for a few years before covid was attacked in Notting Hill of all places while jogging, by two guys, one with a balaclava and hammer, thankfully he was able to defend himself and fight them off.

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Its a big city, it has dangerous parts, every city does, especially one as large as London, Im sorry youve had bad experiences there, but Ive been to London many times, both with Family and alone, using public transport, walking alone after Dark and I can honestly say ive never experienced any kind of crime or witnessed it happening to others

Quote:

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My biggest issue with the UK is you're not allowed to speak freely. You should be able to say incorrect and inaccurate things and vice versa…but your government has vocally professed that it wants to further police speech.

You're not headed in the right direction.

---

In Britain, for the most part, you can say what you want, but if you knowingly say something that is incorrect that harms someone else in some way, then thats something that you should face consequences for. Actions have consequences.

You shouldnt be allowed to lie about the religion of a terrorist and incite riots in the Streets, for example

---

So who gets to determine the speaker's intent ? Who gets to determine if the comment is a 'lie' ?

You; the government; or just those you agree with ?


Can't you see how such ' controls ' can be abused ?

---

Well, generally speaking, they would get settled in a court of law, thats why we have laws for Libel and defamation.

Whilst the laws in the USA are less Plaintiff friendly, they still exist, meaning that there is no absolute right to Free speech

---

At some level you most know you are deflecting my questions.

Totalitarian regimes both right and left of the political spectrum have often controlled their people by clamping down on free speech.


History has shown repeatedly the real threat to a free society is the restriction of free speech.

---

just means, for example, when a Man walks into a Primary school and murders 17 Children with a Gun, some countries would prefer to take steps to ensure that kind of disaster never happens again over maintaining a freedom to bear arms.

---

Another obvious deflection.

As a thoughtful and intelligent individual, you know exactly what is occuring in Great Britain and the risks involved.

You simply approve of these cultural changes.

Restrictions of free speech are common in Mu isslim countries and throughout much of the Far East.

However I have confidence in the strength of the English and Scotts.

They will eventually fight back and prevail.

However the process of regaining their country will be a bloody mess.

---

I directly answered your question, you choose to crop that out and focus and the part that didnt

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1. As a traditionally law bidding people, in the short term , the English and Scotts will continue to allow their freedoms to be circumvented by an increasing woke government.
2. However they will eventually fight against tyranny as their ancestors always have.

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'The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon'- by Rudyard Kipling


"It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved, They were icy -- willing to wait Till every count should be proved, Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low. Their eyes were level and straight. There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd. It was not taught by the state. No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred. It will not swiftly abate. Through the chilled years ahead, When Time shall count from the date That the Saxon began to hate"

curtpenn said:

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Hard to have imagined this happening, but there it is.

England police say they would extradite and prosecute Ameticans for offending social media posts

pic.twitter.com/7Ehk685HIE

— Owen Gregorian (@OwenGregorian) August 10, 2024

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Seeing as we have a 2nd amendment, this clip hits

The relationship between the Tories and their voters is similar to the relationship between Republicans and their voters:

Party members and officials are more economically right-wing than their voters, while being more socially left-wing. pic.twitter.com/tLwjINaOFz

— Crémieux (@cremieuxrecueil) August 11, 2024