The honest question would be which is worse, Liberal Nationalism or Christian Nationalism?

One has and continues to butcher millions upon millions of people. Enslave millions and millions of people. And destroy millions upon millions of lives.


But hey, they will vote for their Giggles.

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Some day there will be a comprehensive study on this, and it will overwhelmingly prove that the religious left when compared to the dreaded white evangelical:

- is far more politically active
- is far more politically homogenous
- expressly ties its political positions
- talks politics more from the pulpit
- demonizes its opponent to a greater extent
- believes our government should be patterned of its beliefs
- is far less likely to associate with people with opposing political/religious views

There are already pieces of this kind of this kind of study, and the results are unsurprising.

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So what?

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Ironically, I agree with you. It's just that only white evangelicals draw the ire (real or fake) of those lamenting the toxic blend of religion and politics.

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I don't think those points define Christian nationalism. Churches have always been politically active, etc.

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Nope, the "we weren't actually saying that it's a problem" misdirect doesn't work. Trying to reinforce and give the impression that your bogeyman is influential and relevant, you know that's BS, so we're just here to remind you that you and he are full of it.

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That's why there's no point in arguing about it. Your mind is already made up. It is true, by the way, that much of what the Left calls Christian nationalism is just part of our political tradition. It's also true that real Christian nationalism helped fuel the J6 riot, but you're not going to acknowledge that regardless of the evidence.

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But what is your definition? And, you say "it exists." I won't argue that because just about every kind of person one could think of "exists." The question is, how prevalent do you believe it is according to your definition?

I've spent a fair amount of time googling the issue as you suggest, and I see everything from "A patriotic Christian" to "Christians who think only Christians should be in government and/or our laws should be based on the Bible."

And the reason many of us are "defensive" about it is that the characterization has become part of the left's and the media's everyday lexicon. I'm a Christian (first and foremost) and conservative (mostly) who loves the U.S. According to many, that alone means I'm a dangerous Christian Nationalist.

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Political terms are slippery. I've been called everything from a radical leftist to a Christo-fascist. I'm neither, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

In my view, Christian nationalists want to privilege Christianity over other religions (for example Mike Flynn saying that one nation implies one religion). They also tend to privilege private revelation over reason and the law (for example Eric Metaxas saying that when God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else).

I found the following article informative:

Quote:

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What I Saw At The Jericho March
MAGA at prayer event a shocking display of apocalyptic faith and politics -- and religious decadence
by Rod Dreher
Dec. 12, 2020

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/

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Seem to recall you declaring you're Catholic.

If so do you see CN where you regularly attend Mass ?

If so in what form ?

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No, I don't see it.

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Neither do I.

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There is some sympathy with the anti-democratic feelings of the Protestant political right even if the theology is different.

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Gotta say, the fact you think that the Protestant right is "anti-Democratic" is pretty hilarious. Who knows, maybe that's a part of your anti-Christian Catholic propaganda.

I mean, you're the same poster who gave full-throated support to lockdowns across the country, preventing people from attending their places of worship or their jobs, govt.-enforced vaccine mandates, and a ministry of truth to monitor (and censor) free speech.

Think there is a big a projection here. Your positions on those subjects are about as anti-democratic and authoritarian as they come.

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You misrepresent my positions, as usual. I questioned the basis for concluding that the "disinformation board" was unconstitutional, and I never got an answer. My position on lockdowns was based on uncontroversial interpretation of state law.

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These are half-truths at best. You also expressed support for the disinformation board, citing what you believed to be rampant disinformation as the need for it. And the idea that the lockdowns you proposed weren't "uncontroversial" is disingenuous at best. You wanted to go much further than what many of the states had done, saying they didn't go far enough. And I noticed you didn't dispute you supported enforcement of the vaccine mandates.

As I suggested, you're an authoritarian who has supported anti-democratic positions. For you to be complaining about evangelicals being anti-democratic - a subject you seem to know nothing about - is the height of irony.

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Wrong.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Nope, the "we weren't actually saying that it's a problem" misdirect doesn't work. Trying to reinforce and give the impression that your bogeyman is influential and relevant, you know that's BS, so we're just here to remind you that you and he are full of it.

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That's why there's no point in arguing about it. Your mind is already made up. It is true, by the way, that much of what the Left calls Christian nationalism is just part of our political tradition. It's also true that real Christian nationalism helped fuel the J6 riot, but you're not going to acknowledge that regardless of the evidence.

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But what is your definition? And, you say "it exists." I won't argue that because just about every kind of person one could think of "exists." The question is, how prevalent do you believe it is according to your definition?

I've spent a fair amount of time googling the issue as you suggest, and I see everything from "A patriotic Christian" to "Christians who think only Christians should be in government and/or our laws should be based on the Bible."

And the reason many of us are "defensive" about it is that the characterization has become part of the left's and the media's everyday lexicon. I'm a Christian (first and foremost) and conservative (mostly) who loves the U.S. According to many, that alone means I'm a dangerous Christian Nationalist.

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Political terms are slippery. I've been called everything from a radical leftist to a Christo-fascist. I'm neither, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

In my view, Christian nationalists want to privilege Christianity over other religions (for example Mike Flynn saying that one nation implies one religion). They also tend to privilege private revelation over reason and the law (for example Eric Metaxas saying that when God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else).

I found the following article informative:

Quote:

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What I Saw At The Jericho March
MAGA at prayer event a shocking display of apocalyptic faith and politics -- and religious decadence
by Rod Dreher
Dec. 12, 2020

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/

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2nd try

Seem to recall you declaring you're Catholic.

If so do you see CN where you regularly attend Mass ?

If so in what form ?

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No, I don't see it.

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Neither do I.

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There is some sympathy with the anti-democratic feelings of the Protestant political right even if the theology is different.

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Gotta say, the fact you think that the Protestant right is "anti-Democratic" is pretty hilarious. Who knows, maybe that's a part of your anti-Christian Catholic propaganda.

I mean, you're the same poster who gave full-throated support to lockdowns across the country, preventing people from attending their places of worship or their jobs, govt.-enforced vaccine mandates, and a ministry of truth to monitor (and censor) free speech.

Think there is a big a projection here. Your positions on those subjects are about as anti-democratic and authoritarian as they come.

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You misrepresent my positions, as usual. I questioned the basis for concluding that the "disinformation board" was unconstitutional, and I never got an answer. My position on lockdowns was based on uncontroversial interpretation of state law.

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These are half-truths at best. You also expressed support for the disinformation board, citing what you believed to be rampant disinformation as the need for it. And the idea that the lockdowns you proposed weren't "uncontroversial" is disingenuous at best. You wanted to go much further than what many of the states had done, saying they didn't go far enough. And I noticed you didn't dispute you supported enforcement of the vaccine mandates.

As I suggested, you're an authoritarian who has supported anti-democratic positions. For you to be complaining about evangelicals being anti-democratic - a subject you seem to know nothing about - is the height of irony.

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Wrong.

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Wrong is the new debunked

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Nope, the "we weren't actually saying that it's a problem" misdirect doesn't work. Trying to reinforce and give the impression that your bogeyman is influential and relevant, you know that's BS, so we're just here to remind you that you and he are full of it.

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That's why there's no point in arguing about it. Your mind is already made up. It is true, by the way, that much of what the Left calls Christian nationalism is just part of our political tradition. It's also true that real Christian nationalism helped fuel the J6 riot, but you're not going to acknowledge that regardless of the evidence.

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But what is your definition? And, you say "it exists." I won't argue that because just about every kind of person one could think of "exists." The question is, how prevalent do you believe it is according to your definition?

I've spent a fair amount of time googling the issue as you suggest, and I see everything from "A patriotic Christian" to "Christians who think only Christians should be in government and/or our laws should be based on the Bible."

And the reason many of us are "defensive" about it is that the characterization has become part of the left's and the media's everyday lexicon. I'm a Christian (first and foremost) and conservative (mostly) who loves the U.S. According to many, that alone means I'm a dangerous Christian Nationalist.

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Political terms are slippery. I've been called everything from a radical leftist to a Christo-fascist. I'm neither, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

In my view, Christian nationalists want to privilege Christianity over other religions (for example Mike Flynn saying that one nation implies one religion). They also tend to privilege private revelation over reason and the law (for example Eric Metaxas saying that when God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else).

I found the following article informative:

Quote:

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What I Saw At The Jericho March
MAGA at prayer event a shocking display of apocalyptic faith and politics -- and religious decadence
by Rod Dreher
Dec. 12, 2020

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/

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2nd try

Seem to recall you declaring you're Catholic.

If so do you see CN where you regularly attend Mass ?

If so in what form ?

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No, I don't see it.

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Neither do I.

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There is some sympathy with the anti-democratic feelings of the Protestant political right even if the theology is different.

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Gotta say, the fact you think that the Protestant right is "anti-Democratic" is pretty hilarious. Who knows, maybe that's a part of your anti-Christian Catholic propaganda.

I mean, you're the same poster who gave full-throated support to lockdowns across the country, preventing people from attending their places of worship or their jobs, govt.-enforced vaccine mandates, and a ministry of truth to monitor (and censor) free speech.

Think there is a big a projection here. Your positions on those subjects are about as anti-democratic and authoritarian as they come.

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You misrepresent my positions, as usual. I questioned the basis for concluding that the "disinformation board" was unconstitutional, and I never got an answer. My position on lockdowns was based on uncontroversial interpretation of state law.

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These are half-truths at best. You also expressed support for the disinformation board, citing what you believed to be rampant disinformation as the need for it. And the idea that the lockdowns you proposed weren't "uncontroversial" is disingenuous at best. You wanted to go much further than what many of the states had done, saying they didn't go far enough. And I noticed you didn't dispute you supported enforcement of the vaccine mandates.

As I suggested, you're an authoritarian who has supported anti-democratic positions. For you to be complaining about evangelicals being anti-democratic - a subject you seem to know nothing about - is the height of irony.

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Wrong.

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I certainly understand why you're denying it, given your hypocrisy. You're a liar.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Nope, the "we weren't actually saying that it's a problem" misdirect doesn't work. Trying to reinforce and give the impression that your bogeyman is influential and relevant, you know that's BS, so we're just here to remind you that you and he are full of it.

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That's why there's no point in arguing about it. Your mind is already made up. It is true, by the way, that much of what the Left calls Christian nationalism is just part of our political tradition. It's also true that real Christian nationalism helped fuel the J6 riot, but you're not going to acknowledge that regardless of the evidence.

---

But what is your definition? And, you say "it exists." I won't argue that because just about every kind of person one could think of "exists." The question is, how prevalent do you believe it is according to your definition?

I've spent a fair amount of time googling the issue as you suggest, and I see everything from "A patriotic Christian" to "Christians who think only Christians should be in government and/or our laws should be based on the Bible."

And the reason many of us are "defensive" about it is that the characterization has become part of the left's and the media's everyday lexicon. I'm a Christian (first and foremost) and conservative (mostly) who loves the U.S. According to many, that alone means I'm a dangerous Christian Nationalist.

---

Political terms are slippery. I've been called everything from a radical leftist to a Christo-fascist. I'm neither, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

In my view, Christian nationalists want to privilege Christianity over other religions (for example Mike Flynn saying that one nation implies one religion). They also tend to privilege private revelation over reason and the law (for example Eric Metaxas saying that when God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else).

I found the following article informative:

Quote:

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What I Saw At The Jericho March
MAGA at prayer event a shocking display of apocalyptic faith and politics -- and religious decadence
by Rod Dreher
Dec. 12, 2020

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/

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2nd try

Seem to recall you declaring you're Catholic.

If so do you see CN where you regularly attend Mass ?

If so in what form ?

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No, I don't see it.

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Neither do I.

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There is some sympathy with the anti-democratic feelings of the Protestant political right even if the theology is different.

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Gotta say, the fact you think that the Protestant right is "anti-Democratic" is pretty hilarious. Who knows, maybe that's a part of your anti-Christian Catholic propaganda.

I mean, you're the same poster who gave full-throated support to lockdowns across the country, preventing people from attending their places of worship or their jobs, govt.-enforced vaccine mandates, and a ministry of truth to monitor (and censor) free speech.

Think there is a big a projection here. Your positions on those subjects are about as anti-democratic and authoritarian as they come.

---

You misrepresent my positions, as usual. I questioned the basis for concluding that the "disinformation board" was unconstitutional, and I never got an answer. My position on lockdowns was based on uncontroversial interpretation of state law.

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These are half-truths at best. You also expressed support for the disinformation board, citing what you believed to be rampant disinformation as the need for it. And the idea that the lockdowns you proposed weren't "uncontroversial" is disingenuous at best. You wanted to go much further than what many of the states had done, saying they didn't go far enough. And I noticed you didn't dispute you supported enforcement of the vaccine mandates.

As I suggested, you're an authoritarian who has supported anti-democratic positions. For you to be complaining about evangelicals being anti-democratic - a subject you seem to know nothing about - is the height of irony.

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Wrong.

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Wrong is the new debunked

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He can't present facts to debunk my position, so this is all he is left with. He regularly denies the bull**** he says on these boards.

He's one of the board's biggest liars.

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Do imaginary friends count?

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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They are.

Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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No, an execution is something totally different.

Again, I have never heard ANYONE, much less in a Church, call for the executive of homosexuals.

Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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Old Groomer has made a lot of crazy posts ... this might actually be the craziest.

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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I'd rather not go into more detail since they are dear, old family friends. I grew up around a lot of evangelicals even though we were Catholic. They are good people. Some of them also have some strange ideas.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Nope, the "we weren't actually saying that it's a problem" misdirect doesn't work. Trying to reinforce and give the impression that your bogeyman is influential and relevant, you know that's BS, so we're just here to remind you that you and he are full of it.

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That's why there's no point in arguing about it. Your mind is already made up. It is true, by the way, that much of what the Left calls Christian nationalism is just part of our political tradition. It's also true that real Christian nationalism helped fuel the J6 riot, but you're not going to acknowledge that regardless of the evidence.

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But what is your definition? And, you say "it exists." I won't argue that because just about every kind of person one could think of "exists." The question is, how prevalent do you believe it is according to your definition?

I've spent a fair amount of time googling the issue as you suggest, and I see everything from "A patriotic Christian" to "Christians who think only Christians should be in government and/or our laws should be based on the Bible."

And the reason many of us are "defensive" about it is that the characterization has become part of the left's and the media's everyday lexicon. I'm a Christian (first and foremost) and conservative (mostly) who loves the U.S. According to many, that alone means I'm a dangerous Christian Nationalist.

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Political terms are slippery. I've been called everything from a radical leftist to a Christo-fascist. I'm neither, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

In my view, Christian nationalists want to privilege Christianity over other religions (for example Mike Flynn saying that one nation implies one religion). They also tend to privilege private revelation over reason and the law (for example Eric Metaxas saying that when God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else).

I found the following article informative:

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What I Saw At The Jericho March
MAGA at prayer event a shocking display of apocalyptic faith and politics -- and religious decadence
by Rod Dreher
Dec. 12, 2020

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/

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Seem to recall you declaring you're Catholic.

If so do you see CN where you regularly attend Mass ?

If so in what form ?

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No, I don't see it.

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Neither do I.

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There is some sympathy with the anti-democratic feelings of the Protestant political right even if the theology is different.

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Gotta say, the fact you think that the Protestant right is "anti-Democratic" is pretty hilarious. Who knows, maybe that's a part of your anti-Christian Catholic propaganda.

I mean, you're the same poster who gave full-throated support to lockdowns across the country, preventing people from attending their places of worship or their jobs, govt.-enforced vaccine mandates, and a ministry of truth to monitor (and censor) free speech.

Think there is a big a projection here. Your positions on those subjects are about as anti-democratic and authoritarian as they come.

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You misrepresent my positions, as usual. I questioned the basis for concluding that the "disinformation board" was unconstitutional, and I never got an answer. My position on lockdowns was based on uncontroversial interpretation of state law.

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These are half-truths at best. You also expressed support for the disinformation board, citing what you believed to be rampant disinformation as the need for it. And the idea that the lockdowns you proposed weren't "uncontroversial" is disingenuous at best. You wanted to go much further than what many of the states had done, saying they didn't go far enough. And I noticed you didn't dispute you supported enforcement of the vaccine mandates.

As I suggested, you're an authoritarian who has supported anti-democratic positions. For you to be complaining about evangelicals being anti-democratic - a subject you seem to know nothing about - is the height of irony.

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Wrong.

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Wrong is the new debunked

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The new "not wasting my time" is what it is.

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Nope, the "we weren't actually saying that it's a problem" misdirect doesn't work. Trying to reinforce and give the impression that your bogeyman is influential and relevant, you know that's BS, so we're just here to remind you that you and he are full of it.

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That's why there's no point in arguing about it. Your mind is already made up. It is true, by the way, that much of what the Left calls Christian nationalism is just part of our political tradition. It's also true that real Christian nationalism helped fuel the J6 riot, but you're not going to acknowledge that regardless of the evidence.

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But what is your definition? And, you say "it exists." I won't argue that because just about every kind of person one could think of "exists." The question is, how prevalent do you believe it is according to your definition?

I've spent a fair amount of time googling the issue as you suggest, and I see everything from "A patriotic Christian" to "Christians who think only Christians should be in government and/or our laws should be based on the Bible."

And the reason many of us are "defensive" about it is that the characterization has become part of the left's and the media's everyday lexicon. I'm a Christian (first and foremost) and conservative (mostly) who loves the U.S. According to many, that alone means I'm a dangerous Christian Nationalist.

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Political terms are slippery. I've been called everything from a radical leftist to a Christo-fascist. I'm neither, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

In my view, Christian nationalists want to privilege Christianity over other religions (for example Mike Flynn saying that one nation implies one religion). They also tend to privilege private revelation over reason and the law (for example Eric Metaxas saying that when God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else).

I found the following article informative:

Quote:

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What I Saw At The Jericho March
MAGA at prayer event a shocking display of apocalyptic faith and politics -- and religious decadence
by Rod Dreher
Dec. 12, 2020

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/

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Seem to recall you declaring you're Catholic.

If so do you see CN where you regularly attend Mass ?

If so in what form ?

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No, I don't see it.

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Neither do I.

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There is some sympathy with the anti-democratic feelings of the Protestant political right even if the theology is different.

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Gotta say, the fact you think that the Protestant right is "anti-Democratic" is pretty hilarious. Who knows, maybe that's a part of your anti-Christian Catholic propaganda.

I mean, you're the same poster who gave full-throated support to lockdowns across the country, preventing people from attending their places of worship or their jobs, govt.-enforced vaccine mandates, and a ministry of truth to monitor (and censor) free speech.

Think there is a big a projection here. Your positions on those subjects are about as anti-democratic and authoritarian as they come.

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You misrepresent my positions, as usual. I questioned the basis for concluding that the "disinformation board" was unconstitutional, and I never got an answer. My position on lockdowns was based on uncontroversial interpretation of state law.

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These are half-truths at best. You also expressed support for the disinformation board, citing what you believed to be rampant disinformation as the need for it. And the idea that the lockdowns you proposed weren't "uncontroversial" is disingenuous at best. You wanted to go much further than what many of the states had done, saying they didn't go far enough. And I noticed you didn't dispute you supported enforcement of the vaccine mandates.

As I suggested, you're an authoritarian who has supported anti-democratic positions. For you to be complaining about evangelicals being anti-democratic - a subject you seem to know nothing about - is the height of irony.

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Wrong.

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Wrong is the new debunked

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The new "not wasting my time" is what it is.

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and yet, you did.

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Some day there will be a comprehensive study on this, and it will overwhelmingly prove that the religious left when compared to the dreaded white evangelical:

- is far more politically active
- is far more politically homogenous
- expressly ties its political positions
- talks politics more from the pulpit
- demonizes its opponent to a greater extent
- believes our government should be patterned of its beliefs
- is far less likely to associate with people with opposing political/religious views

There are already pieces of this kind of this kind of study, and the results are unsurprising.

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So what?

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Ironically, I agree with you. It's just that only white evangelicals draw the ire (real or fake) of those lamenting the toxic blend of religion and politics.

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I don't think those points define Christian nationalism. Churches have always been politically active, etc.

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Good point. The best examples are the abolitionists & the Civil Rights movement t but there are many others.

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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That is a totally different thing and you know it. Unrepentant sinners will go to hell. That's the way it works. Thankfully, God provided an escape through Jesus Christ.

Stating basic facts of the Christian faith is not the same thing as wanting someone dead. In fact, it's just the opposite.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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That is a totally different thing and you know it. Unrepentant sinners will go to hell. That's the way it works. Thankfully, God provided an escape through Jesus Christ.

Stating basic facts of the Christian faith is not the same thing as wanting someone dead. In fact, it's just the opposite.

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and if you're wrong about some homosexual behavior, then you were making a life of misery for them, their parents, their grandparents, their aunts and uncles, brothers, and sisters, and friends. But you can't even consider that you might be wrong I've stated on several Garrett occasion for great clarity at homoerotic behavior as identified in Romans chapter 1 is about that behavior taking place in temples, parties festivals banquets, and it is wrong. But if one considersthay marriage is really about love and commitment and loyalty infidelity then to deny homosexuals' homo erotic behavior in that context is to deny that gift that God has given them for expressing their sexuality in a Christian marriage. You just might be wrong. If you would read the text clearly that Homo erotic behavior is described in Romans one is in the wrong then and now. But I am erotic behavior within marriage is to be celebrated as away from Anna Messi.

Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

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if making fun of the silliness of pride month is hateful then I'm guilty. I don't know that the Pharisees used a great deal of silliness in their dogma. Try again.

Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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No it isn't.

Unrepentant sin, also know as rebellion against God, is a risk to anybody being separated from God.

You trying to redefine what sins is or what sin isn't has no standing whatsoever.

Good point. Trying to redefine sin that way is essentially calling God a liar. It is a grotesque sin in of itself.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

---

That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

---

With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

---

I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

---

This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

---

I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

---

Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

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if making fun of the silliness of pride month is hateful then I'm guilty. I don't know that the Pharisees used a great deal of silliness in their dogma. Try again.

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Yeah, you are guilty of hate for making fun of gay pride month. Your sarcasm makes fun of a person's identity. You scorn their very existence. Christ does not look at the gays with scorn or condemnation.
You show no interest in understanding the gay culture. Gays needs respect but you cannot give them that courtesy. Show some empathy.
I am , also, speaking personally. Look to any of your comments about my age or my writing ability or reasoning. You reach for scorn first, not understanding. You know nothing about me - I am funny and articulate teacher/preacher. I am genuine, polite, and take interest people. I do not resort to ad hominin attack. I trash ideas not people. Christ love for me motivates to live a life of service and caring. I know of your faith in Christ but the words and attitudes that you use hear are anti-thesis of the faith that you declare.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

---

With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

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1947,
There you go again with the dog whistle.

Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

---

That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

---

With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

---

I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

---

This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

---

I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

---

Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

---

Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

---

That is a totally different thing and you know it. Unrepentant sinners will go to hell. That's the way it works. Thankfully, God provided an escape through Jesus Christ.

Stating basic facts of the Christian faith is not the same thing as wanting someone dead. In fact, it's just the opposite.

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and if you're wrong about some homosexual behavior pedophilia, then you were making a life of misery for them, their parents, their grandparents, their aunts and uncles, brothers, and sisters, and friends. But you can't even consider that you might be wrong I've stated on several Garrett occasion for great clarity at homoerotic behavior as identified in Romans chapter 1 is about that behavior taking place in temples, parties festivals banquets, and it is wrong. But if one considersthay marriage is really about love and commitment and loyalty infidelity then to deny homosexuals' homo erotic child raping behavior in that context is to deny that gift that God has given them for expressing their sexuality in a Christian marriage. You just might be wrong. If you would read the text clearly that Homo erotic behavior pedophilia is described in Romans one is in the wrong then and now. But I am erotic behavior pedophilia within marriage is to be celebrated as away from Anna Messi.

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FIFY. Let's just save the trouble of reposting in a few months.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

---

That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

---

With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

---

I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

---

This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

---

I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

---

Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

---

Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

---

isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

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1947,
There you go again with the dog whistle.

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It's more than a dog whistle. It is a declaration that you harm people.

Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

---

That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

---

With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

---

I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

---

This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

---

I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

---

Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

---

Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

---

isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

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if making fun of the silliness of pride month is hateful then I'm guilty. I don't know that the Pharisees used a great deal of silliness in their dogma. Try again.

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Yeah, you are guilty of hate for making fun of gay pride month. Your sarcasm makes fun of a person's identity. You scorn their very existence. Christ does not look at the gays with scorn or condemnation.
You show no interest in understanding the gay culture. Gays needs respect but you cannot give them that courtesy. Show some empathy.
I am , also, speaking personally. Look to any of your comments about my age or my writing ability or reasoning. You reach for scorn first, not understanding. You know nothing about me - I am funny and articulate teacher/preacher. I am genuine, polite, and take interest people. I do not resort to ad hominin attack. I trash ideas not people. Christ love for me motivates to live a life of service and caring. I know of your faith in Christ but the words and attitudes that you use hear are anti-thesis of the faith that you declare.

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Gays are like Aggie. In a group ( pride month) they are hard to tolerate. Individually, they're okay. I work with 4 and am friends with them all.

ps…they all need to repent just like myself and every other coworker.

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

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if making fun of the silliness of pride month is hateful then I'm guilty. I don't know that the Pharisees used a great deal of silliness in their dogma. Try again.

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Yeah, you are guilty of hate for making fun of gay pride month. Your sarcasm makes fun of a person's identity. You scorn their very existence. Christ does not look at the gays with scorn or condemnation.
You show no interest in understanding the gay culture. Gays needs respect but you cannot give them that courtesy. Show some empathy.
I am , also, speaking personally. Look to any of your comments about my age or my writing ability or reasoning. You reach for scorn first, not understanding. You know nothing about me - I am funny and articulate teacher/preacher. I am genuine, polite, and take interest people. I do not resort to ad hominin attack. I trash ideas not people. Christ love for me motivates to live a life of service and caring. I know of your faith in Christ but the words and attitudes that you use hear are anti-thesis of the faith that you declare.

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Gays are like Aggie. In a group ( pride month) they are hard to tolerate. Individually, they're okay. I work with 4 and am friends with them all.

ps…they all need to repent just like myself and every other coworker.

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And if they don't repent, is there next life hell?

Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Nowadays "Christian Nationalism" is a Leftist dog whistle providing them a way to attack Christian's in general.

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That's often true, and as we can see, it plays into the hand of Christian nationalists by giving them a great excuse to deny and divert.

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With respect…..you say that so easily.

But as we discussed earlier, neither of us have personally experienced such 'nationalism'.

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I've experienced it, just not in my own church. It's more of a Protestant thing.

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This is new.

If not in your own Church, where did you personally experience 'Christian Nationalism' and what specifically was said or done that alarms you ?

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I know people who think gays should be put to death. Many, many people who think we should support Israel unconditionally because the Bible says so.

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Interesting


I have never met a single individual anywhere, much less in Church, that believes homosexuals should be executed.

Exactly where did you meet such people and what prompted them to say such a thing to you ?

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Many Evangelicals think unrepentant gays for sin of being gay are going to hell. That's an execution, of sorts.

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isn't that more of a suicide than hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell so wouldn't that be a moot point?

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I don't but you do. Your stance hurt the relatives, parents brothers sisters, cousins friends of the LGBT community with your hatred for them. Yeah, you hate them. You hide behind some silliness, but you hate them. And you believe and wish that they would go to hell. That's sad. You Pharisees love to pay attention ever not in total of the scripture, but failed to understand it underneath the law is God and God is love.

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if making fun of the silliness of pride month is hateful then I'm guilty. I don't know that the Pharisees used a great deal of silliness in their dogma. Try again.

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Yeah, you are guilty of hate for making fun of gay pride month. Your sarcasm makes fun of a person's identity. You scorn their very existence. Christ does not look at the gays with scorn or condemnation.
You show no interest in understanding the gay culture. Gays needs respect but you cannot give them that courtesy. Show some empathy.
I am , also, speaking personally. Look to any of your comments about my age or my writing ability or reasoning. You reach for scorn first, not understanding. You know nothing about me - I am funny and articulate teacher/preacher. I am genuine, polite, and take interest people. I do not resort to ad hominin attack. I trash ideas not people. Christ love for me motivates to live a life of service and caring. I know of your faith in Christ but the words and attitudes that you use hear are anti-thesis of the faith that you declare.

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Gays are like Aggie. In a group ( pride month) they are hard to tolerate. Individually, they're okay. I work with 4 and am friends with them all.

ps…they all need to repent just like myself and every other coworker.

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And if they don't repent, is there next life hell?

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Why would they be different than any other non-repentant sinner?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

"Because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9

"For 'everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'" Romans 10:13

"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" John 14:6

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Romans 8:1

"For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38-39