WW3 is right around the corner. This election is as real as it gets.

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Realitybites
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Honestly, it really ticks me off when government types start talking about misinformation and disinformation and I automatically tune them out as want-to-be authoritarians.

I'm perfectly capable of evaluating the evidence presented by two opposing sides and making my own determination as two who is telling the truth and who is lying without interference by Government-Americans trying to restrict my access to information.

That's sort of mandatory if you are a citizen of a free country.
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Realitybites said:

Honestly, it really ticks me off when government types start talking about misinformation and disinformation and I automatically tune them out as want-to-be authoritarians.

I'm perfectly capable of evaluating the evidence presented by two opposing sides and making my own determination as two who is telling the truth and who is lying without interference by Government-Americans.

That's sort of mandatory if you are a citizen of a free country.
Nah **** that. If an enemy nation is purposely exposing our population to lies and misinformation to further their goals and agenda our government has a duty to stop it or at the very least expose it. People have the right to believe whatever they want, but they also have the right to know where that information comes from.

The media illiteracy in our nation is astounding, which makes us very vulnerable to foreign misinformation campaigns. I'm okay with people choosing to believe Russian propaganda, but only if they know all the talking points they are hearing are coming directly from Putin via the mouths of Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, etc.
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Bestweekeverr said:

Bestweekeverr said:

WW3 is a war of information (specifically misinformation).

Russia knows they can't win a military, nuclear, or economic war against us so they use our freedoms against us to influence our population and sow division amongst us. We of course do this against them as well, but as the Russian and Chinese governments have much more control over what media gets to their populations it is not as effective.

They do this by flooding our social media sites with bots to dictate the pro-Russian talking points under the guise of normal everyday red-blooded American accounts. They hire popular pundits on both sides of the political spectrum to spout their propaganda. They undermine our faith in our institutions and convince us that our true enemy is our government, our intelligence organizations, our military, the Republicans, the Democrats, and finally our neighbors.

They appeal to the conservative nature of the Right political spectrum and the Socialist nature of the Left, slowly gathering more of our population that is Sympathetic to Russia and eventually would welcome a Russian invasion.

Other countries are doing this as well, but Russia is the most obvious.

Just incase no one believed me...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-rt-employees-indicted-covertly-funding-and-directing-us-company-published-thousands


I think people believed you. We know that they're doing it and so is the US. Propaganda in all its forms has been used for centuries. Tech now makes it real easy to publish narratives through other people. America itself is in an information war of its own internally, its the establishment vs traditional working Americans. Unfortunately the establishment has the biggest hammers and pounds down the little guy. But the little guy fights on, trying to make a difference.

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A serious question for the group, even if Harris wins, at this point is there any solution where Russia doesn't get part of the Ukraine without involving NATO troops? I don't think the Ukraine has the manpower to kick Russia out, so unless our support continues in the tens to hundreds of billions per year, how exactly do we see this war by proxy playing out? Do we think Ukraine can retain its borders without Western Troops?

Also a couple of interesting info that amps this up a bit:

  • Ukraine is seeking US permission to go hundreds of miles inside of Russia. They say that will stop the Russian advance.

  • Alos Pence argues the GOP should back Ukraine in order to weaken China. From Pence "China is openly assisting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine," a memo released by Pence's conservative nonprofit, Advancing American Freedoms, said Tuesday. "Defeating Russia hamstrings China."

Clearly the stakes are high. Capitulating doesn't seem like the answer, but continued support leaves us in a rather precarious position.

Thoughts?




KaiBear
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

A serious question for the group, even if Harris wins, at this point is there any solution where Russia doesn't get part of the Ukraine without involving NATO troops? I don't think the Ukraine has the manpower to kick Russia out, so unless our support continues in the tens to hundreds of billions per year, how exactly do we see this war by proxy playing out? Do we think Ukraine can retain its borders without Western Troops?

Also a couple of interesting info that amps this up a bit:

  • Ukraine is seeking US permission to go hundreds of miles inside of Russia. They say that will stop the Russian advance.

  • Alos Pence argues the GOP should back Ukraine in order to weaken China. From Pence "China is openly assisting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine," a memo released by Pence's conservative nonprofit, Advancing American Freedoms, said Tuesday. "Defeating Russia hamstrings China."

Clearly the stakes are high. Capitulating doesn't seem like the answer, but continued support leaves us in a rather precarious position.

Thoughts?







Putin can't end the war without acquiring territory in eastern Ukraine and stay alive.

Ukraine does not have the manpower to kick him out of eastern Ukraine without NATO troops.

Harris will escalate the war.

Trump will end it.


Realitybites
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A year ago, Ukraine could have agreed to give up Donbass and Lugansk and not to join NATO and it would have gone its own way after a negotiated peace.

I think this misadventure in Kursk has taken that solution off the table. After seeing foreign troops on Russian soil for the first time since World War 2, you're going to see Russian troops drive in to Kiev, depose Zelensky, and take the eastern half of the country including Kiev. What's left can join whatever it wants to, get absorbed into Poland, or whatever.

They lost 27 million people in World War 2. I don't think we understand just how big having a foreign army on their soil is to them. It's like American patriots feel about Venzuelan gangs taking over apartments on US soil and raiding the Permian oil fields, just much worse.
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Realitybites said:

A year ago, Ukraine could have agreed to give up Donbas and Luhansk and not to join NATO and it would have gone its own way after a negotiated peace.

I think this misadventure in Kursk has taken that solution off the table. After seeing foreign troops on Russian soil for the first time since World War 2, you're going to see Russian troops drive in to Kyiv, depose Zelensky, and take the eastern half of the country including Kyiv. What's left can join whatever it wants to, get absorbed into Poland, or whatever.

They lost 27 million people in World War 2. I don't think we understand just how big having a foreign army on their soil is to them. It's like American patriots feel about Venzuelan gangs taking over apartments on US soil and raiding the Permian oil fields, just much worse.


LMAO. Nope. Sorry, Vlad.
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Realitybites said:



They lost 27 million people in World War 2. I don't think we understand just how big having a foreign army on their soil is to them.


Not one American in 500 knows the extent of Russia's loses in WW2 or how they have effected their foreign policy ever since.
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If WWIII breaks out we are largely screwed. It won't take long for the US to be completely conquered as we will implode killing each other.

The best scenario for Texans is that the US descends into a Civil War II so the South can go ahead and finish off the North like we should have done 160 years ago.

I like my chances for survival being far South and deeply rural. I'll surround myself with even more redneck friends and keep man buns, Yankees, city boys and limp wrists as far away as possible. They will come crawling and begging out of Austin, DFW, SA and Houston like cockroaches.

Russia, China, Iran? They won't have to even break a sweat. Our military industrial crooks have drained our potential propping up pretenders. Put our military technology in the hands of REAL Patriots if we want to win a war.

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Bestweekeverr said:

Realitybites said:

Honestly, it really ticks me off when government types start talking about misinformation and disinformation and I automatically tune them out as want-to-be authoritarians.

I'm perfectly capable of evaluating the evidence presented by two opposing sides and making my own determination as two who is telling the truth and who is lying without interference by Government-Americans.

That's sort of mandatory if you are a citizen of a free country.
Nah **** that. If an enemy nation is purposely exposing our population to lies and misinformation to further their goals and agenda our government has a duty to stop it or at the very least expose it. People have the right to believe whatever they want, but they also have the right to know where that information comes from.

The media illiteracy in our nation is astounding, which makes us very vulnerable to foreign misinformation campaigns. I'm okay with people choosing to believe Russian propaganda, but only if they know all the talking points they are hearing are coming directly from Putin via the mouths of Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, etc.
So everything you disagree with is misinformation.

Sounds logical to me.
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Sam Lowry said:

Bestweekeverr said:

Realitybites said:

Honestly, it really ticks me off when government types start talking about misinformation and disinformation and I automatically tune them out as want-to-be authoritarians.

I'm perfectly capable of evaluating the evidence presented by two opposing sides and making my own determination as two who is telling the truth and who is lying without interference by Government-Americans.

That's sort of mandatory if you are a citizen of a free country.
Nah **** that. If an enemy nation is purposely exposing our population to lies and misinformation to further their goals and agenda our government has a duty to stop it or at the very least expose it. People have the right to believe whatever they want, but they also have the right to know where that information comes from.

The media illiteracy in our nation is astounding, which makes us very vulnerable to foreign misinformation campaigns. I'm okay with people choosing to believe Russian propaganda, but only if they know all the talking points they are hearing are coming directly from Putin via the mouths of Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, etc.
So everything you disagree with is misinformation.

Sounds logical to me.
sorry your go-to sources are exactly what I told you they were.
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trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Bestweekeverr said:

Realitybites said:

Honestly, it really ticks me off when government types start talking about misinformation and disinformation and I automatically tune them out as want-to-be authoritarians.

I'm perfectly capable of evaluating the evidence presented by two opposing sides and making my own determination as two who is telling the truth and who is lying without interference by Government-Americans.

That's sort of mandatory if you are a citizen of a free country.
Nah **** that. If an enemy nation is purposely exposing our population to lies and misinformation to further their goals and agenda our government has a duty to stop it or at the very least expose it. People have the right to believe whatever they want, but they also have the right to know where that information comes from.

The media illiteracy in our nation is astounding, which makes us very vulnerable to foreign misinformation campaigns. I'm okay with people choosing to believe Russian propaganda, but only if they know all the talking points they are hearing are coming directly from Putin via the mouths of Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, etc.
So everything you disagree with is misinformation.

Sounds logical to me.
sorry your go-to sources are exactly what I told you they were.
Never heard of them.
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Redbrickbear said:




Crazy how many people don't think we're close, lots on the line for Russia and China
Realitybites
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Right now it probably looks like they are just going to go and do it. The pathway to escalation looks something like this:

Zelensky has proposed lifting restrictions on the use of long range weapons to attack and destroy Russian targets throughout the European portion of Russia.

Putin's statement about this: "when it comes to using highprecision long-range Western-made weapons, it's a completely different story. The fact is that, as I have already said, and any experts will confirm this (both here and in the West), the Ukrainian army is not able to strike with modern high-precision long-range systems of Western production. It can't do that. This is possible only with the use of satellite data, which Ukraine does not have this is data only from satellites of either the European Union or the United States, in general, from NATO satellites. This is the first one. The second, and very important, perhaps key, is that flight missions to these missile systems can, in fact, only be carried out by military personnel of NATO countries. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this. And therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not to allow it. It's about deciding whether NATO countries are directly involved in a military conflict or not. If this decision is made, it will mean nothing more than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This is their direct involvement. And this, of course, significantly changes the very essence, the very nature of the conflict. This will mean that NATO countries, the United States, and European countries are at war with Russia. And if this is the case, then, bearing in mind the change in the very essence of this conflict, we will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be created."

What that translates into is likely their arming middle eastern non-state actors with sufficient anti ship missiles to destroy our naval assets in the middle east, degrading Israel's defensive capability.

Meanwhile another factor driving thus situation towards WW3 is that both Zelensky and Netinyahu know that once peace is restored that both their political careers are over.
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Remember when our side was sane?

"Joint Soviet-United States Statement on the Summit Meeting in Geneva

November 21, 1985

By mutual agreement, President of the United States Ronald Reagan and General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev met in Geneva November 19 - 21...

The sides, having discussed key security issues, and conscious of the special responsibility of the USSR and the U.S. for maintaining peace, have agreed that a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. Recognizing that any conflict between the USSR and the U.S. could have catastrophic consequences, they emphasized the importance of preventing any war between them, whether nuclear or conventional."

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/joint-soviet-united-states-statement-summit-meeting-geneva
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Realitybites said:

Right now it probably looks like they are just going to go and do it. The pathway to escalation looks something like this:

Zelensky has proposed lifting restrictions on the use of long range weapons to attack and destroy Russian targets throughout the European portion of Russia.

Putin's statement about this: "when it comes to using highprecision long-range Western-made weapons, it's a completely different story. The fact is that, as I have already said, and any experts will confirm this (both here and in the West), the Ukrainian army is not able to strike with modern high-precision long-range systems of Western production. It can't do that. This is possible only with the use of satellite data, which Ukraine does not have this is data only from satellites of either the European Union or the United States, in general, from NATO satellites. This is the first one. The second, and very important, perhaps key, is that flight missions to these missile systems can, in fact, only be carried out by military personnel of NATO countries. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this. And therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not to allow it. It's about deciding whether NATO countries are directly involved in a military conflict or not. If this decision is made, it will mean nothing more than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This is their direct involvement. And this, of course, significantly changes the very essence, the very nature of the conflict. This will mean that NATO countries, the United States, and European countries are at war with Russia. And if this is the case, then, bearing in mind the change in the very essence of this conflict, we will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be created."

What that translates into is likely their arming middle eastern non-state actors with sufficient anti ship missiles to destroy our naval assets in the middle east, degrading Israel's defensive capability.

Meanwhile another factor driving thus situation towards WW3 is that both Zelensky and Netinyahu know that once peace is restored that both their political careers are over.
But, wait, Putin has been telling his people NATO troops have been fighting Russia since the start of the war and that it was mostly U.S. and NATO special forces who invaded Kursk. Does this mean he now admits none of it is true?
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Redbrickbear said:


nope, they are just gonna do it. US and UK both
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The Biden administration continues to push and push Putin toward military action against the West.

And the vast majority of Americans remain ignorant of what's occurring and how these provocations could result in WW3.

Biden - Harris have already horribly miscalculated once; resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Another miscalculation could easily result in the deaths of millions.

Yet you see no protests, no demands for peace. Our public is completely numb.

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KaiBear said:

The Biden administration continues to push and push Putin toward military action against the West.

And the vast majority of Americans remain ignorant of what's occurring and how these provocations could result in WW3.

Biden - Harris have already horribly miscalculated once; resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Another miscalculation could easily result in the deaths of millions.

Yet you see no protests, no demands for peace. Our public is completely numb.




Yep, and I've said it a hundred times here and will continue to say it - Dem voters don't care about anything until the TV talking heads tell them to care. They are the very definition of lemmings. They'll follow their TV talking heads instructions and fall right off a known cliff.

Today, they are completely bought and paid for by the globalists, they don't even hide it. Before they were supposed to be the party that tried to protect the American worker. Southern blue dog democrats still voting Dem should be ashamed of what they've become.
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Things getting real, real quick

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/143016
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Democrats signing artillery shells for Ukraine's president.


KaiBear
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Good God,

This s the stupidest, most clueless photograph of Congressmen I have ever seen in my life.

Can anyone in this dementia led administration comprehend how this picture is going to play with the Russian people ? Especially with the families who have had their sons killed or crippled ?

Absolute, total insanity.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Democrats signing artillery shells for Ukraine's president.



We used to manufacture weapons to fight wars.

Now wars are manufactured to sell weapons.
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

KaiBear said:

The draft will never be fully enacted ever again.

Our entitled masses would instantly go berserk.


While I agree with you generally, if war starts I still believe that the draft absolutely can and will be used soon. They're even trying to get women to register. The propaganda will be in full force, the media will ensure that it is the only line. European youth will bear the brunt of it, but after a couple of years, media full on prepping" our society, we will start running out of our enlisted and will fill the gaps with draftees.

But when the draft is instituted you will see liberals all of the sudden dropping their globalist nonsense and running for cover.

When the shooting starts, want the draftees be surprised that they cannot be MOS-fluid by choice.
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KaiBear
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Doc Holliday said:




The mass casualties will overwhelmingly involve the working class and poor; while the elites hide in their bunkers.

We never learn .
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KaiBear said:

Doc Holliday said:




The mass casualties will overwhelmingly involve the working class and poor; while the elites hide in their bunkers.

We never learn .


The Democrat Party is a platform of Luxury Beliefs based on foreign disinformation created to fund the global hedge fund class.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

KaiBear said:

Doc Holliday said:




The mass casualties will overwhelmingly involve the working class and poor; while the elites hide in their bunkers.

We never learn .


The Democrat Party is a platform of Luxury Beliefs based on foreign disinformation created to fund the global hedge fund class.
Indeed.
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Realitybites
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Doc Holliday said:

We used to manufacture weapons to fight wars.

Now wars are manufactured to sell weapons.



I could only give this one upvote, so I'm reposting it.
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Doc Holliday said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Democrats signing artillery shells for Ukraine's president.



We used to manufacture weapons to fight wars.

Now wars are manufactured to sell weapons.
If there is a more clear demonstration that Democrats have no principles and only lust for power ...

The same people 20 years ago calling George W. Bush a war criminal, Hitler, fascist, etc., and constantly fearing the Patriot Act ... today support international war mongering and using the government to spy on and imprison anyone that disagrees with the regime.
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I've pretty much spent my entire life being in favor of the death penalty and more recently a border wall.

I don't know if I trust a government full of Wacos, Mitches, and Bests to have either of them.
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If Harris wins it means millions more of illegals into the country and a a collapse of our judicial structure.

Regardless who is president our economy is in major danger of a total collapse due to both personal and federal debt loads.
 
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