Oldbear83 said:Pretty sure FLBear was commenting on card suits, not Froot Loops.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:We don't. It is as simple as that. Short of Russia invading NATO, I do not support using US troops. But, I do believe we owe Ukraine support in other ways due to the 1990's and the implied commitments made.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:FLBear5630 said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Some pretty stark differences....FLBear5630 said:No, North Korea invading got those UN troops killed. Same with Ukraine, Russia invading got those Ukrainian kids killed. The fault lies with who invaded, blaming a Nation for assisting one in trouble is not a fault.KaiBear said:ron.reagan said:Considering I've worked for Samsung half my life and spent a good part of my life in SK I'd say Truman helped pay my mortgageKaiBear said:ron.reagan said:Does the Yalu run all the way through Vietnam and Iraq? Otherwise I have no idea what your point is.KaiBear said:In the vain attempt to educate you.... READ about Truman's order to push US forces north to the Yalu river.ron.reagan said:The point is that you were completely wrong and doubt you even agree with yourselfKaiBear said:You are so absolutely hopeless.ron.reagan said:You might want to poll all the dead Americans scattered around Asian jungles and middle eastern deserts.KaiBear said:Realitybites said:
The population of Ukraine has been cut in half compared to before the war. About a half million Ukrainians killed, the rest left the country.
These are horrible numbers and do not even reflect the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian wounded.
Many of whom are permanently crippled.
And all due to the miscalculations of Putin and Biden over the 'merits' of NATO membership.
You Dems who are all hot about Harris because of abortion or because she is a woman…..keep in mind.
This fool went to Europe after Putin put over 200,000 soldiers along the Ukraine border …..and again called for Ukraine to join NATO.
Putin invaded shortly afterward.
Biden - Harris are responsible for the worst foreign policy blunder by the United States since the Korean War.
And yet you want THIS bimbo to be our Commander in Chief ?
Are you willing to live or die based on the decisions of this bimbo ?
The next time you consider posting something so ridiculously stupid; just keep in mind......
it's not in fact 'clever'.
But since you are either perpetually stoned or terminally stupid just resume your polling of the dead .
READ what happened when Truman ( and the Joint Chiefs ) ignored repeated warming from Mao and invaded
North Korea and approached the Yalu River.
The consequences of which impacted US realities in the far east including Vietnam.
Truman helped pay your mortgage and got tens of thousands of UN troops killed.
1. South Korea in 1950 was already within the American sphere of influence when Stalin and Mao authorized the Communists of North Korea to try and invade the South....Stalin had agreed to that at Yalta years before.
Not to mention the USA was acting under a broad consensus and UN mandate to provide military aid to the Republic of Korea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_83
2. Ukraine has never been inside the American sphere of influence.
No one agreed to that.
And the UN has not authorized a war to throw out the Russians.
And no one is fighting the Russians but the Ukraines. You seem to forget we are selling weapons when asked by Ukraine. There is no UN force in Ukraine..
(Well let's pretend for a moment that the Pentagon is not directing the Ukrainians fight against Russia right now.)
For now we are just giving them money.
But tomorrow? Who can say….we have been sucked into wars before by a slow and steady deepening of our involvement.
We're giving more than money. I think we're giving Equipment, arms, training personne.
Ok, when I say equipment, munitions and tech there is a training component. Selling or giving an F16 with just an instruction manual is pretty worthless.
First, the NATO played an active role in the creation of the current structure, when one of the Nations we gave assurances to for security is invaded you can't turn your back. I agree that troops ( on the ground combat, combat support and air troops taking part in the fighting) is not wanted. Supplying (including training on new weapon systems) Ukraine to defend itself is justified. If we are to have any credibility.
Second, a united NATO front is the best way to prevent an escalation. NATOs actions in Ukraine are helping keep other areas free, Taiwan, S Korea, etc..
We disagree, I see Ukraine as the proper response.
I don't think I've tried to make the point that helping the Ukraine is wrong. My main argument is that I think there will come a point that money isn't enough and we get sucked in and other countries take advantage of that opportunity . I think the longer it goes, the more money we throw at it, the risk to getting sucked in greatly increases. The more desperate the Russians become actually increases the risk as well imo because they become unpredictable, and the options can get more extreme.
Until I see a change, I have to give the Admin the benefit of the doubt. I may not like them, but I have to call a spade a spade. We have not committed troops.
What did you call me?
You made a funny.
