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184 people were killed in Haiti, the U.N. says, as a gang leader reportedly ordered the murder of elderly people based on advice from a voodoo priest, sparking a massacre in Port-au-Prince. https://t.co/KjXDulwY8b

— CBS News (@CBSNews) December 9, 2024

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Future pillars of society in Springfield, Ohio.

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Yep

But Americans living in gated communities don't give *****

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

🔥 “The immigration surge of the past few years has been the largest in U.S. history, surpassing the great immigration boom of the late 1800s and early 1900s, according to a New York Times analysis of government data.”

🎁 Gift Link: https://t.co/JV2qPcWeNW https://t.co/MMs2ZPx0c9 pic.twitter.com/eB40vdmu6X

— Kimberly “Kim” Wexler MA JD (@KimWexlerMAJD) December 11, 2024

Most of the “asylum seekers” are actually illegal. They have falsely claimed asylum and were taught how to do so by American NGOs who get money for higher migration.

This is why you will find burned, buried, and discarded IDs along the border: they are either criminals and don’t… https://t.co/RnxtXNcppd pic.twitter.com/SxLtae6Klm

— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) December 14, 2024

And from 1860-1960, the "foreign born population" was 99% from Western Europe; now 90% is from the third world, bringing their third world culture with them. https://t.co/3Y17bN6sUa

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) December 11, 2024

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I can hardly believe my eyes that this was printed in the NYT:

"High levels of immigration do have downsides, including the pressure on social services and increased competition for jobs....wage growth for Americans who did not attend college will be lower" pic.twitter.com/zxTKbU4NhD

— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) December 11, 2024

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Pretty sure all of us righties were saying this stuff is. All the lefties assured us there are no downsides. Libs are such hypocrites. The press is insidious, they've lied to the public for the last two decades. Progressive media and politicians are truly evil. Their followers are truly lemmings.

The press has been lying to us for much longer than two decades. It's more like forever.

Little Biden administration scam to reduce the number of illegal immigrants formally recorded…. https://t.co/EGq0UATz8X

— Rita Panahi (@RitaPanahi) December 17, 2024

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— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 19, 2024

https://babylonbee.com/news/uh-oh-all-the-animals-from-the-live-nativity-in-springfield-ohio-just-went-missing

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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I'm sure they do. It was a pillar of European Monarchy for most of the last Millenia. Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

Fake North African asylum seeker in Spain beats women just for fun, then runs away like a rat. We need mass deportations. pic.twitter.com/iJX0FgtIvg

— RadioGenoa (@RadioGenoa) December 23, 2024

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

There were two recent cases in which the DOJ sued Apple and Facebook after discovering blatant discrimination in their hiring processes, where they prioritized foreign workers over Americans to help H-1B holders obtain Green Cards.

The H-1B sponsorship process doesn’t require… https://t.co/IIRP5gvWbq pic.twitter.com/ZjT5WIhVOm

— U.S. Tech Workers (@USTechWorkers) December 23, 2024

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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woooo pig

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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Keep grinding without actual knowledge. The reason it's "prevalent" in Africa and the Middle East is primarily the existence of polygamy marriage in society. In fact sub Saharan African marriage takes a completely different form in many places and works like blended families.

Cousin marriage has been part of Western and Euro culture and still is. Queen Elizabeth and Czar Nicholas married cousins. The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain.

Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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woooo pig

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Hey, they gave up sisters but can't quit the cousins…

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and imply it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich high income Saudi Arabia engages in it.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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I literally answered both your questions. Do you realize Latin America wasn't even modernized until the 17-1800s?? Have you seen the marital structures pre Industrial Revolution? Did you look into Spain as I mentioned above, which greatly influenced Latin American culture?

The irony is that it was the Pre- Christian Romans that were actually strict on relative marriage, but Europe didn't start enforcing it harshly until the 1800s.

Just look at what economic levels cousin marriage occurs the most here domestically.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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… but Europe didn't start enforcing it harshly until the 1800s.

J

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Regulations against the practice were harsh long before the 1800s

You need to read up on your history

[until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.]

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Phillip II of Spain married his Cousin post Middle Ages. That's just one of several.

Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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I literally answered both your questions. Do you realize Latin America wasn't even modernized until the 17-1800s??

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The pre or post industrial development of Latin America is not relevant to the fact that it was not a widely practiced form of marriage in the region

While it was and is in the Middle East

In fact rich and industrialized parts of the Middle East still practice it more than rural and poor parts of Latin America

You have no answer for why this would be….so you avoid answering it

Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

---

You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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… but Europe didn't start enforcing it harshly until the 1800s.

J

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Regulations against the practice were harsh long before the 1800s

You need to read up on your history

[until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.]

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You realize it's saying it forbade it "until the 13th Century" meaning after that it was not. You also need to understand the actual influence of the church on a multitude of monarchies and laws, especially as the Holy Roman Empire collapsed in influence. It was very prevalent. Again, read up on Spanish society into the 20th century on this very issue. A highly Catholic society.

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Phillip II of Spain married his Cousin post Middle Ages. That's just one of several.

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Why do you keep brining up the extremely small minority of cousin marriages among the nobility and ignore the fact that 99% of the European population did not practice it?

It's like you can not understand that exceptions to a rule can exist but do not mean the rule is not generally followed

Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

---

You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

---

You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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I literally answered both your questions. Do you realize Latin America wasn't even modernized until the 17-1800s??

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The pre or post industrial development of Latin America is not relevant to the fact that it was not a widely practiced form of marriage in the region

While it was and is in the Middle East

In fact rich and industrialized parts of the Middle East still practice it more than rural and poor parts of Latin America

You have no answer for why this would be….so you avoid answering it

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Arranged marriages and polygamy contribute to that ratio in the Middle East.

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

---

You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

---

You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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… but Europe didn't start enforcing it harshly until the 1800s.

J

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Regulations against the practice were harsh long before the 1800s

You need to read up on your history

[until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.]

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You realize it's saying it forbade it "until the 13th Century" meaning after that it was not.

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You are very bad at reading so now I can understand why we are at an empass here

After the 13th century the 7th degree of consanguinity was not enforced as strongly….the general rule against close blood relations was of course still enforced for centuries

(Unless the royalty could get a dispensation)

That does not imply the rules were completely dropped. Or that the majority of the population did not follow them

You should be able to understand that

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

---

You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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I literally answered both your questions. Do you realize Latin America wasn't even modernized until the 17-1800s??

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The pre or post industrial development of Latin America is not relevant to the fact that it was not a widely practiced form of marriage in the region

While it was and is in the Middle East

In fact rich and industrialized parts of the Middle East still practice it more than rural and poor parts of Latin America

You have no answer for why this would be….so you avoid answering it

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You're assuming it doesn't or didn't occur. Polygamy in early Latin American societies guaranteed relative marriage.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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I literally answered both your questions. Do you realize Latin America wasn't even modernized until the 17-1800s??

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The pre or post industrial development of Latin America is not relevant to the fact that it was not a widely practiced form of marriage in the region

While it was and is in the Middle East

In fact rich and industrialized parts of the Middle East still practice it more than rural and poor parts of Latin America

You have no answer for why this would be….so you avoid answering it

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Arranged marriages and polygamy contribute to that ratio in the Middle East.

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No one said they don't

You bring up a point I never argued against

Cousin marriage is still more prevent in those regions (MENA and Africa) with close blood relations marring each other