Islam is and always has been an intertwined religious, political, and social ideology where aggression and violence is not only condoned, but is encouraged if it advances the cause of Islam. To think of it as just another peaceful world religion like Christianity, Buddhism, or Hinduism is a mistake.

Both Judiasm and Islam were religions of earthly domination. Judiasm was right up to the point that the Roman Empire destroyed every last vestige of their ability to claim it was about an earthly kingdom. Nobody has done that to Islam yet, so it still is. The difference is Judiasm's borders were greater Israel, Islam's are the entire planet.

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Porteroso said:

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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I will pay for a history class if you are willing to enroll.

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Porteroso said:

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

Anyways the point of the thread was whether Islam is a religion of conquest or not. I've made my point, that all 3 of the Abrahamic religions have used their text for mass conquest. Today, very few of each believes in conquest.

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That is simply not correct.

Many Muslims still strongly believe in propagating their religion via conquest.

Check out the thousands of killings and kidnappings in the name of Allah against Christians throughout central Africa in just the last few years.

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Porteroso said:

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

Anyways the point of the thread was whether Islam is a religion of conquest or not. I've made my point, that all 3 of the Abrahamic religions have used their text for mass conquest. Today, very few of each believes in conquest.

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I will pay for a history class if you are willing to enroll.

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Porteroso said:

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest..

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More like the Crusades used religion as an excuse to fight back and defend themselves from a 300 year long Islamic invasion of Christian Europe, Christian North Africa, and Christian Middle East

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?
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Well historically the Muslims did just that…

They burst out of the Arabian peninsula and attacked the Christian Byzantium empire to the West and the Sasanian-Persian empire to the East (Persians were not Muslims until they were conquered)

And they kept on conquering until they invaded Spain and were finally stopped

Their invasions into Europe started hundreds of years before the Crusades were launched

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Porteroso said:

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

Anyways the point of the thread was whether Islam is a religion of conquest or not. I've made my point, that all 3 of the Abrahamic religions have used their text for mass conquest. Today, very few of each believes in conquest.

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I'll be totally honest; I'm too drunk at the moment to repeat what others have just explained to you, so in lieu of a response from me just read one of the apt replies that refutes your erroneous assertion and pretend I responded in kind. Happy Saturday.

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest..

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More like the Crusades used religion as an excuse to fight back and defend themselves from a 300 year long Islamic invasion of Christian Europe, Christian North Africa, and Christian Middle East

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Excellent maps.

Thanks

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Th Crusades were Christian Europe invading the Middle East in response to Muslim conquests there and the decline of the Byzantine Empire. It also was 1,000 years ago.

"By the end of the century this Europe that had been sacked by the Vikings, was able to throw 200,000 armed men into Asia. Henceforth, both north and south, in the face of Moslems and pagans, instead of being conquered it is to conquer"

"The proof of it is that the people flocked to the feudal structure as soon as it was completed" pic.twitter.com/jM5ByRHP06

— Bachman (@ElonBachman) February 18, 2024

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

Anyways the point of the thread was whether Islam is a religion of conquest or not. I've made my point, that all 3 of the Abrahamic religions have used their text for mass conquest. Today, very few of each believes in conquest.

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Islam has always grown through conquest beginning with Muhammad in the 7th century. This included conquests of much of Asia and Africa and significant parts of Europe. Muslims conquered the Iberian peninsula in the 8th century leading to the reconquista that did not end until 1592. Muslims also attacked in the east, getting as far as Vienna before being repulsed in the 16th and again in the 17th century. Today, it is the only religion with the desire for conquest still as a major feature. They are very successful in Europe through mass migration and the gradual surrender of the elites in some countries.

Human history is one of many invasions over and over again with almost everyone being conquered and then conquered. However, when it comes to Islam they began with invasion and conquest. If you really want to understand, you should read about the history of Muhammad and how, shortly after he created the new faith, he was kicked out of Mecca, found followers in Medina, then led an army from there to conquer Mecca. Further conquests continued after that.

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

Anyways the point of the thread was whether Islam is a religion of conquest or not. I've made my point, that all 3 of the Abrahamic religions have used their text for mass conquest. Today, very few of each believes in conquest.

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There is no question Islamism is a political system of conquest and oppression. And hundreds of millions of "innocent" Muslims openly support their system that is incompatible with modern society. Just because you don't strap on a suicide vest or carry an AK for AQIM doesn't mean you don't have a part in advancing the cause.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

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That is precisely what they did.

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

Anyways the point of the thread was whether Islam is a religion of conquest or not. I've made my point, that all 3 of the Abrahamic religions have used their text for mass conquest. Today, very few of each believes in conquest.

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Your ignorance is profound. Google up "Battle of Tours" and then Google up "First Crusades"

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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Rational adults do not pretend like a reaction is the same as instigation.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

Anyways the point of the thread was whether Islam is a religion of conquest or not. I've made my point, that all 3 of the Abrahamic religions have used their text for mass conquest. Today, very few of each believes in conquest.

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I will pay for a history class if you are willing to enroll.

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Zealots unite!

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I will pay for a history class if you are willing to enroll.

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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are very closely related religions that have all been used for immense good and evil. In a state like Iran, it is used to reinforce a political ideology, much like Christianity was used in Europe to crusade.

Blaming the religion itself is a stupid brain dead thing to do. Just look at all the peaceful Muslims in the world. Look who are terrorists and attempting jihad. It is mostly Iran and its proxies. And virtually all other Muslims hate them.

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Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about…..

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I'm sorry, you post such stupid things, unless you are willing to post content, I'm not really into trading insults. Come up with something that makes sense first.

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I eat shawarma at least once a month, so you know my credentials before I begin. The crusades were a response to 400 years of Islamic invasions and oppression.

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The crusades used religion for conquest. Everyone invaded each other back then. Don't pretend it was just Muslims. The crusades united many peoples under 1 religious banner.

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"Religion for conquest," you say. Care to recalibrate your position?

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No. Religion has always been used for conquest. Christians, Jews, Muslims, have all had a real go at conquering parts of the world in the name of their God. Of course the real goal in all these conquests was wealth, power, land. As it always is.

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I will pay for a history class if you are willing to enroll.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

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That is precisely what they did.

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It was absolutely not out of nowhere. Islam spread the least in Europe. And then many Muslim invasions were the same people who had a history of conquest, but now a new religion.

My point is you cannot blame the religion for the invasions into Europe, when most of these peoples had been invading far before Islam.

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I will pay for a history class if you are willing to enroll.

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Are you that ignorant of history? To think Muslims just out of nowhere invaded parts of Europe before the Crusades?

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That is precisely what they did.

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It was absolutely not out of nowhere. Islam spread the least in Europe. And then many Muslim invasions were the same people who had a history of conquest, but now a new religion.

My point is you cannot blame the religion for the invasions into Europe, when most of these peoples had been invading far before Islam.

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The Muslims spread the least in Europe because they were stopped. Charlemagne's grandpa (Charles Martel) stopped them at tours in southern France but they still controlled Iberia for centuries. The Hapsburg stopped them at the gates of Vienna twice in the 16th & 17th centuries but the occupied much of the Balkans for centuries after. The Ottomans were in gradual decline for well over a century and their empire collapsed by being on the losing side in WWI.